hey hey hey!

i like this topic..i'm a christian too..

shit! i just questioned God...i sinned.





............repent...repent...repent......

..system rebooting.....ok done

anyway...religion is good...religion help politician control its people..like us!....

I prayed to god for a new bike.
But then I realized god does not work that way.
So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

I stop pray to the god after seeing so many thing have happen around..

law is created by man. morals are created by man. which man is superior enough to tell me what i can and cannot do? the world was in chaos before religion (dark ages). incest, rape, murder, killings of babies etc. did you ever think it was human morals that stopped all these doings rather than religion being the very base of determining wrong doings. let's say we were still in the dark ages, would incest be a trend? a normality? perhaps after science discovers that it was cause inbreeding, then would humans stop. but wait. let's talk about homosexuality. obviously everyone has their own right, but everyone isn't stupid enough to know that being homosexuals will not sustain the human race. look at america, a world torn down without religion, and homosexuals are in the uprising. now being homo is becoming a normality having others lose the sanctity of marriage. kids now have a reason to "not like" the opposite sex, an easy answer for them is to resort being gay/lesbian. so which human law is going to stop that? they're slowly growing, now if i'm not mistaken states of florida and san fran have made it legal for same sex marriage. let's just say one day all these homos come up with a new virus even deadlier than HIV. ever thought about the consequences?

so you say middle east is bounded by war and crime. who came into iraq/afghan? americans, british, french, germans etc you name it. to find weapons of mass destruction? to find al qaeda? to seek revenge on 10000 americans that died in 911 and kill millions? which human law stopped that? which human law charged george w bush when tony blair was easily charged for war crimes? you talk about moral? f*** that. enforcement my ass. let's look at dubai. richhhhhhhhhhh. ever see anything there? chaos? nope. don't think so right? wow. how come? human laws? morals? the great prince is the ever so giving and kind? it all comes down to the wealthy and the powerful.

you talk about czech being non religious. alright. in terms of political stability and wealth they're fine. they rank top on the global peace index. similar to new zealand. would they be ever so different if they were religious? do you really think that if they were religious that chaos would come upon them? especially new zealand??? their country is at peace. stability. like i've said earlier, every wealthy man will in the end forget about religion. the need for gratitude is no longer there. there was one day when new zealand was religious. but all that faded away when they had everything. loss of gratitude leads to loss of religion. i've mentioned to you before on your country statistics, especially the global peace index, is a subliminal attack and propaganda against religion. and someone such as you has fallen for it very convincingly. it's just so funny how they put peace beside religiousness statistics instead of other comparable factors and data.

i won't defy the fact that the world is changing and becoming modern and this is the time that religion needless. but one day, when humans don't have anyone to turn to, they will eventually come back and lean on an idea/concept that shaped the world as we know today. religion.

This post has been edited by xlidric: Mar 18 2010, 09:44 AM

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

When we say Christianity is the truth, we don't say it based on what we've been taught.

I remember asking one of my friend,

I asked: "How would those who suffer hunger and difficulties in Africa ever have time to know God, think about God if they have even no time to find food?"

My friend said (roughly) : " Truth will be found if the heart truly seeks for it."

People nowadays have grown smarter and started to think that they're the best and they rule, they've forgotten to seek what is the truth.

No offense, just my thought

Blue:
I'm sorry. Have you studied your own bible? The so called "good book".
Lets just look at your kind, loving and understanding god. Let us just see how many he/she/it killed in the bible.

Number Killed
Lot's wife for looking back 1
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" 1
Onan for spilling his seed 1
Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) 606
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf 3000
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord 1
A blasphemer 1
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath 1
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) 12+
Burned to death for offering incense 250
For complaining 14,700
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" 24,000
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) 90,000+
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. 5+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). 12,000
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees 5
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites 10,000
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly 1
God delivered Moabites 10,000
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. 120,000
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson 30
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson 1000
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism 3000
"The Lord smote Benjamin" 25,100
More Benjamites 25,000
For looking into the ark of the Lord 50,070
God delivered Philistines 20
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1
"The Lord smote Nabal." 1
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 1
David and Bathsheba's baby boy 1
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 7
From plague as punishment for David's census 70,000+
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1
Religious leaders killed in prayer contest 450
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 100,000
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 27,000
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 1
Burned to death by God 102
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 42
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 1
Jezebel 1
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 3+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 185,000
Saul 1
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 500,000
Jeroboam 1
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 1,000,000
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 1
Judean soldiers 212,000
Ezekiel's wife 1
Ananias and Sapphira 2
Herod 1

The total figure is around 2 million plus. Some reasons God kills them is absolutely ridiculous, for example god kills them because they worship another god (Oh wow, not only is your god a cruel one, he is also easily jealous!)

The story of Lot can be made into a porno script i tell you.
"And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father."
Pretty creative stuff must I say.


If you want to refute the facts above, please try. The number of people killed above is not including the number of CITIES destroyed by god (total 12 cities)
AND you still insist religion is a good moral compass. Tsk tsk.

Red:

So what you are trying to say is EVERYONE in this earth will turn gay? Wow, it's like saying hanging out with tall people will make myself tall! Nice theory. Everyone has their own sexual preference, no one has to right to question them, no one. Not you, not me, not some 2000 year old book and certainly not some old man in the sky.

Purple:

So america is without religion? Let me give you a lesson on facts.
The founding fathers of America built the whole government based on "secularism", meaning the seperation of church and state. This was a very good idea, up until recently, that is.
Politicians today realize that religion is such a useful tool, a tool that can influence so many people without question. Republican states of the US is more right wing, meaning traditional and well, you guessed it! RELIGIOUS. Did you know that 3 out of the 5 most dangerous cities are in the republican Texas? Hmm and you say religion has nothing to do with the difference of religiosity.
Today, many regard America as one of the most religious nations, because of their citizens.

Orange:
Once again, America lead the war and who proposed and allowed it? George W Bush.
George Bush is the most Christian of all TIME! The war in Irag and Afghan? He claims God told him to do it. It was a sign from god.
Quote from the man himself: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Another proof of his religiousness: I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.
Statement made during campaign visit to Amish community, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Jul. 9, 2004

So, get your facts right. Thanks.

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Added on March 18, 2010, 1:22 pmAdd on a bit.

"like i've said earlier, every wealthy man will in the end forget about religion"

I'm sorry, I'd like to change "wealthy" to "intelligent and independent".
Most wont forget about religion but will at least practice them in moderation.

America is not rich btw, it is trillions of dollars in debt. Don't you read?

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Added on March 18, 2010, 1:32 pmSo it is the truth because you know it is? Backed up by no evidence, no thought put behind it and no nothing?

What if you die now and you see not St Peter at the gates, but the prophet Mohamad? (IDK how to spell his name)
What I am trying to say is, that you are brought up to believe it is the truth. If you were muslim you will be brought up to believe in Allah. Get the point?

P/s: The other day I knocked on my door but no one answered, I realized that there must be someone in the house for the door to be opened.

This post has been edited by ianlee: Mar 18 2010, 01:32 PM

what is the proof that human live in chaos before religion come and them people stop sining when there is religion, there have always been religion since prehistoric period. but them incest, rape, murder, killings of babies etc. are still happening even today. which point in history mark this dark age?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_religion

on the point of homosexual, there is always gays/lesbian throughout history, not all religion see it as sin. the Greek and Roman are famous for being bisexual, adult men often have young boy as their lover, only after Christianity come to power do gays being punished. the Greek and Roman civilization did not fall due to homosexuality. and if someday straight sex come up with a virus deadlier that HIV we should ban straight sex?

as ianlee point out US are one of the most religious country among the developed countries. conservatives christian group have powerfull influence in political scene. an oddity compare with most other developed country where religion are growing weaker.

since when america became the most religious country in the world? since when Bush worships God? since when Bush wasn't belong to skull n bones group that worship Satan instead (or u might call it...particle being/'alien'...LOL)?

since when lowyat forummer become dumber, mind numbness, succumb and enslave ya soul to benediction order?....I should start with thread...'dumber evolution @ lowyat'.....

no one is saying America is the most religious country in the world, it is the most religious among the developed country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

Skull and Bones is just a fraternity in Yale, since when does they worship satan?

This post has been edited by robertngo: Mar 18 2010, 05:39 PM

since when they do not and your diligence turns blunt?

Your post just shows how shallow you are. Do you not read times/newsweek etc etc?
America (During the Bush administration, that is) led the war in Iraq.
The reason? Because God ordered Bush to do it, or so he says.
Please don't get your facts right before posting baseless claims.

any hard evidence on that?

did i say everyone's gonna turn gay? sexual preference? yeah so what? against nature itself. if you're saying that emitting co2 is causing the destruction of nature f*** that. i don't care. no one has the right to question whether i want to pollute or not. so go to hell with the green house bullshit stories?

have you ever heard to pornstars are admitted into hospitals in the US everyday for STI? you think they're practicing religion? you think that one day any type of STIs won't be immune to our ever-so-expiring medications? same case with gays. majority of them get AIDS via sodomy. you think creating rubber latex condoms and inserting it into the anus is a natural thing to do? who has the right to question them? nature itself. also gay people say they're just born that way. wow. what a great excuse. all natural right? now kids who think they're homos can all just resort to being gay. i hope your kid does.





and america the most religious nations. LOLz. haven't been to mecca or syria have you? i would also say the vatican is a small and religious nation, but the rumours about are rapidly growing there.
america is filled with christians. but their religion is dead. they don't practice. majority don't.
they're just christian by registration.
i like how you're so educated reading the times and newsweek and no other source of unfiltered info delivered by the west. it's no wonder you're like this.








haha. so you believe what bush said? clap clap clap. once a liar always a liar. weapons of mass destruction?
have you even seen how the WTC magically demolished itself into oblivion?
ever heard of the Carlyle Group?
wait let's not forget. where the f*** is bin laden? suddenly everyone just forgot?
went to war because God ordered him to do it. LOL.
it's like saying anwar ibrahim committed sodomy. TWICE. what a cheap lie.

baseless claims? facts right? your facts are so filtered it's so boring to hear what you have to say because i've heard it all.






practiced in moderation. yaya. we've heard all the lame excuses. yada yada yada.

and duh america as a country is in debt you doofus. highly geared on china. everyone knows that.
but who's doing the hard labour? china or america? who's living the easier life?
"don't i read?" ooooooooo cheap shot wise guy. lol.

Quote from robertngo:



bwaahahahahaha you serious? ban straight sex? oh when will that day become i wonder. perhaps when technology comes up with a way for gays to reproduce. lol.


i don't think i'll even bother replying your next replies because people with religion suddenly have been accused of being shallow. yes the modern world as we know today disses religion everyday. i will accept all your hard "evidence" and "facts" via wikipedia, newsweek and times. i suppose us shallow people can hide in our holes now.

This post has been edited by xlidric: Mar 19 2010, 12:26 PM

Ya, we do talk about proofs and evidences all the time, but when you questioned about the Bible, whether it is the truth or not, have you questioned about what you've been reading? Those so-called hard evidences.

I am a Chinese and in fact I grow up in a Buddhist family, which only my parents and my brother plus me four of us have been Christians.

My grandparents have been Buddhist for years and they are the ones who brought me up, of cause I've heard many of the stories of Buddhist. I believe if you are a Chinese, you must have heard lots of stories about Buddism

Erm and of cause I questioned about Christianity too, and until now I've been constantly looking for answers for the questions I have in my heart.

For example, there's a lot of people claiming that the God is the cruelest God for he killed a lot of people. I've done some research on it and I've found out a few points.

-There is a great difference between the Old testament and the New testament.

"Probably the most important difference to highlight is the change in man's relationship to God. In the Old it primarily involved external religious ceremonies. In the New it is an internal matter for the heart, beginning when a person is born again and being demonstrated in a righteous life, and witnessing to the person and work of Jesus Christ. Since Jesus has, in the New performed the once only sacrifice, no more 'work' is needed to earn salvation. Christians in the New Testament gladly follow in gratitude, not in order to earn anything, which can lead to either pride and self-righteousness or to uncertainty (have I done enough?) This is not to say that there is no joy in Old Testament, just that the basis for it has changed. "

Link

Reading through the Old testament, I noticed a lot of deaths and I wondered about it too. But the reason for this is, the relationship of man back then is not the same as now. For now, after the sacrifice of Jesus, we are cleansed of all our sins. The reason that we should always give thanks to God for sacrificing his only son for us is because without him, we might still be living like the environment of the Old testament.

And so, perhaps in the Old testament, we men couldn't sin as we are taught not to sin and if we sinned we'll face severe punishment such as death. But after the sacrifice of Jesus, we are still taught not to sin but if we sin, God is always there to forgive us as long as we sincere ASK for the forgiveness.

There are tons of materials relating to what you've questioned and tons of materials that questioned like you. In fact, Satan is very smart and they've been trying to make us into doing wrong doings by pretending and tempting us in a "positive way". And my conclusion is, the argument may not cease for decades, hundreds, thousands of years but the matter of fact is the truth will be found for those who seek for it.

Religion are needed/not needed according to situation.

From a functionalism perspective:
Generally I view religion as an institutions that somewhat controls and unite people, which makes it quite essential. Looking back into the history, in most of the case, religion have the greatest influencing ability to the masses compared any other authoritarian figure. The faith people had on religion surpasses anything else that some even go extreme doing things the masses considered as deviant act. It's amazing how religion can affects people way of life in almost every single manner in our lives. Religion also teaches as the way of life in a good manner, enabling to behave as 'normal' as we learn the culture through religion and blend in well into the society. Hence, religion is essential for the unity of people and teaches us to act as commoners.

From a conflict perspective:
Religion in most countries are too closely tie up to the government and being used as a tool to control people and manipulate faithful believers. Extremists used religion as an excuses to do deviant acts and religion interferes with decision making as sometimes the most effective and rational decision are considered to be immoral and thus not executed. Hence, religion promotes corruptions, terrorist activity by extremist and slows down the advancement of society.

From a symbolic-interaction perspective:
Technically, every society comes with religion and it thus it has become one of the element in our daily life, regardless of whether god exist or not, it's merely a subjective interpretation by individuals. The existence of religion sometimes promotes conflict in between interaction of individuals with different religion background but promotes cohesiveness between individuals of similar religion background.

It's all personal, it all depends on the individual.

If you think you need religion for guidelines in life, so be it.

click to enlarge...

as typical forummers might say:

just a picture?
where are others?
how's it true?
i can photoshop one la?
bullshit where got such thing!
i've seen many, these satanic, paganism, shamanistic, khazarians, yada yada, these are craps
,etc


my comment....it's up to u to seek more further. i'm just nobody who happened to drop by and gave the keyword.

who compile this list, what are the supporting evidence of his claims?

ad hominem attack,rather than addressing the actual issue,you attack the person who is in opposition of your claim...

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Mar 24 2010, 12:19 PM

who tell you my religion is capitalism i have always been pro socialism.


you never bother to provide any proof will keep on making wild speculation. throwing around name like illuminatim, freemason. did i discredit the picture just asking for who made it and what is the supporting evidence?