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Philosophy Do Human Need Religion?, some people say they can live without it

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L.A.C
post Mar 15 2010, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(samteng @ Mar 5 2010, 01:05 AM)
Astrology has been replaced by astronomy; alchemy has been replaced by chemistry; witch doctors/medicine men have been replaced by clinical medical science; therefore I believe religion will be replaced by philosophy/humanism in the future.

Why does our life have to be centered upon religion in order to make it meaningful and fun? In fact religion in general stifles human creativity and intellect. It plays upon the things that are most vulnerable and tempting to humans when we know we need them most. Say for example, popularity, money & sex. Christianity teaches that the love of money is the root of all evils. But wait a minute, who doesn't love money? If Christians don't love their money, why not give it all to charity or even me as a "sinner"? After all they can't bring it to their grave and to heaven right?

On the topic of sex, even fantasizing is a sin. You can have wet dreams and yet it is deemed as a sin because your thoughts are impure. You are supposed to supress your sexual drive until or unless you are married. You are not supposed to manipulate your genitals but somehow certain religions claim the right to mutilate your genitals. Ludicrous isn't it? According to the bible, thought crimes are as bad as actual crimes. What is a crime without a victim? A victimless crime does not exist anymore than a square circle does or a married bachelor does.

About popularity, God must be the only one who is glorified, venerated, honoured, praised and worshipped as though he's someone who is desperate and dying for some kind of attention that kids want. It's something like an attention whore just that it's a manly figure. Because if you don't do that, he will not only not bless you but punish you with an everlasting fire. If you do get to heaven, according to Christian doctrine, you are supposed to be praising and worshipping God for all eternity! This sounds pretty depressing when you try to imagine it. Secondly on earth, you are not supposed to claim credit for things that you know darn well you achieved for yourself. The credit must be attributed to God even though it means to flatter him. Self-denial is the tenet of every religion without exception.

How can one say that the world is going to be boring without religion? We can still enjoy many things life has to offer us before we pass on one day. Be it properties, automobiles, gadgets, good food, fine wine, women (or men if you're a woman), career satisfaction, entertainment, money and of course sex and more sex (as long as it's done in a responsible manner).
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If God were your creator, the wisdom you had, the great works you'd done, the happy family you had, the ability to argue on this religious topic and so on comes from him. Therefore, you should praise the Lord as without Him, where would you be? What can you achieve?

Like those who'd said, this topic is very subjective. But at least for me, as a Christian, Christianity is more than a religion, it's the truth.
L.A.C
post Mar 18 2010, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(ianlee @ Mar 16 2010, 11:49 PM)
The view that humans need religion to guide them morally is stupid.
Are your moral actions based on the fear of the wrath of your god? Then are you really morally sound at all?
Do you do things just to please god and enter heaven?
I'm sure if your claimed god is super intelligent and omniscient, he should see through your facade, no?

With our without religion, good people will continue doing good things and bad people will do bad things. For a good person to do bad things, that takes religion. (quote from an american scientist)

If goodness can be equated with religiosity, how is that three out of five of the most dangerous cities in the US are in the pious state of Texas, home to President George Bush, under whose rule more executions were carried out than anywhere else in the country?

You people are brought up with christian upbringing, therefore it is the truth. Really? What if you die and ascend to the pearly gates not to see St. Peter, but an elephant god instead? What makes YOUR religion so good and exclusive that it is the truth? Because the bible said so?
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"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

When we say Christianity is the truth, we don't say it based on what we've been taught.

I remember asking one of my friend,

I asked: "How would those who suffer hunger and difficulties in Africa ever have time to know God, think about God if they have even no time to find food?"

My friend said (roughly) : " Truth will be found if the heart truly seeks for it."

People nowadays have grown smarter and started to think that they're the best and they rule, they've forgotten to seek what is the truth.

No offense, just my thought tongue.gif
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post Mar 19 2010, 12:53 PM

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Ya, we do talk about proofs and evidences all the time, but when you questioned about the Bible, whether it is the truth or not, have you questioned about what you've been reading? Those so-called hard evidences.

I am a Chinese and in fact I grow up in a Buddhist family, which only my parents and my brother plus me four of us have been Christians.

My grandparents have been Buddhist for years and they are the ones who brought me up, of cause I've heard many of the stories of Buddhist. I believe if you are a Chinese, you must have heard lots of stories about Buddism biggrin.gif

Erm and of cause I questioned about Christianity too, and until now I've been constantly looking for answers for the questions I have in my heart.

For example, there's a lot of people claiming that the God is the cruelest God for he killed a lot of people. I've done some research on it and I've found out a few points.

-There is a great difference between the Old testament and the New testament.

"Probably the most important difference to highlight is the change in man's relationship to God. In the Old it primarily involved external religious ceremonies. In the New it is an internal matter for the heart, beginning when a person is born again and being demonstrated in a righteous life, and witnessing to the person and work of Jesus Christ. Since Jesus has, in the New performed the once only sacrifice, no more 'work' is needed to earn salvation. Christians in the New Testament gladly follow in gratitude, not in order to earn anything, which can lead to either pride and self-righteousness or to uncertainty (have I done enough?) This is not to say that there is no joy in Old Testament, just that the basis for it has changed. "

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Reading through the Old testament, I noticed a lot of deaths and I wondered about it too. But the reason for this is, the relationship of man back then is not the same as now. For now, after the sacrifice of Jesus, we are cleansed of all our sins. The reason that we should always give thanks to God for sacrificing his only son for us is because without him, we might still be living like the environment of the Old testament.

And so, perhaps in the Old testament, we men couldn't sin as we are taught not to sin and if we sinned we'll face severe punishment such as death. But after the sacrifice of Jesus, we are still taught not to sin but if we sin, God is always there to forgive us as long as we sincere ASK for the forgiveness.

There are tons of materials relating to what you've questioned and tons of materials that questioned like you. In fact, Satan is very smart and they've been trying to make us into doing wrong doings by pretending and tempting us in a "positive way". And my conclusion is, the argument may not cease for decades, hundreds, thousands of years but the matter of fact is the truth will be found for those who seek for it.

 

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