life without religion is just like a white shirt without any strikes or any pictures. plain & not attractive....

as expected.....no need to start inductive/deductive interrogation and try to postulate something to discredit the given picture later, typical isn't it? u are so attached to the system, and become one of it, its like a movie matrix, once u plug out, u just a dead man, plug out from the capitalist system (ur new religion), as dictated by the illuminatis, ur hopes on illuminatis idealism i.e. capitalist/communist/etc are all crash and wipe out from existence entirely. No wonder when the capitalist system was shattered back in 1997, many ppl suicides aka plug out from their own created religion namely capitalist. It's going to be repeated when another wave of economic turmoil paralyze the system again, the time is ticking   .....btw u don't make a cut through even a novice level in that organization, not even in freemasonary (i guess)....unless you are equally at par to subversive Taksin a South East Asian drug dealer, than it's another story. 

-i'll be on hiatus again-
happy searching and preaching the truth   

did i say everyone's gonna turn gay? sexual preference? yeah so what? against nature itself. if you're saying that emitting co2 is causing the destruction of nature f*** that. i don't care. no one has the right to question whether i want to pollute or not. so go to hell with the green house bullshit stories?

have you ever heard to pornstars are admitted into hospitals in the US everyday for STI? you think they're practicing religion? you think that one day any type of STIs won't be immune to our ever-so-expiring medications? same case with gays. majority of them get AIDS via sodomy. you think creating rubber latex condoms and inserting it into the anus is a natural thing to do? who has the right to question them? nature itself. also gay people say they're just born that way. wow. what a great excuse. all natural right? now kids who think they're homos can all just resort to being gay. i hope your kid does.

and america the most religious nations. LOLz. haven't been to mecca or syria have you? i would also say the vatican is a small and religious nation, but the rumours about are rapidly growing there.
america is filled with christians. but their religion is dead. they don't practice. majority don't.
they're just christian by registration.
i like how you're so educated reading the times and newsweek and no other source of unfiltered info delivered by the west. it's no wonder you're like this.


haha. so you believe what bush said? clap clap clap. once a liar always a liar. weapons of mass destruction?
have you even seen how the WTC magically demolished itself into oblivion?
ever heard of the Carlyle Group?
wait let's not forget. where the f*** is bin laden? suddenly everyone just forgot?
went to war because God ordered him to do it. LOL.
it's like saying anwar ibrahim committed sodomy. TWICE. what a cheap lie.

baseless claims? facts right? your facts are so filtered it's so boring to hear what you have to say because i've heard it all.

practiced in moderation. yaya. we've heard all the lame excuses. yada yada yada.

and duh america as a country is in debt you doofus. highly geared on china. everyone knows that.
but who's doing the hard labour? china or america? who's living the easier life?
"don't i read?" ooooooooo cheap shot wise guy. lol.

Quote from robertngo:

bwaahahahahaha you serious? ban straight sex? oh when will that day become i wonder. perhaps when technology comes up with a way for gays to reproduce. lol.
i don't think i'll even bother replying your next replies because people with religion suddenly have been accused of being shallow. yes the modern world as we know today disses religion everyday. i will accept all your hard "evidence" and "facts" via wikipedia, newsweek and times. i suppose us shallow people can hide in our holes now.

quoted from your o-lovable wikipedia
"...and the risk for transmitting HIV through unprotected anal intercourse is greater than the risk from vaginal intercourse or oral sex."

what misconceptions you were saying again?

and oh wait, we're suddenly comparing ourselves to animals? hmmm what happened to the gift our brain and free will?
an excuse for being homo, mass adultery and what not will always fall back on science.
i'm not blaming science or anything. it does give you the facts.
i guess i'll just be homo now since science just explained everything for me rather than relying on religion to re-align the natural order.

and yes i've questioned my belief. let's go back to science.
theories suggests that everything was created via the big bang. and we know that matter can be created out of nothing (anti-matter). let's talk about time. some scientists has theorised that time was created. and it is part of another dimension. that there was a beginning of time. others believe that time has always existed, but this will rule out the fact that time travel is impossible which contradicts what one of the greatest scientist, einstein has ever said. so enough blabber about quantum physics, would you rather believe that the everything was created without the hands of a supreme being? there are more stars than there are grains of sands on earth. how bout you re-question your disbelief?

and you call me narrow minded? lol.
i've probably watched every conspiracy out there against/on religion. i did my phd on the relationship between science/religion and i've probably read more about religion than you. the question is now, have you? or you just gave yourself another excuse to give up the belief bestowed upon you by your parents and did not go anywhere from there? religion, just like science, relies a lot on research and reading. you've probably become a victim of what i simply call "the easier way out".

"...and the risk for transmitting HIV through unprotected anal intercourse is greater than the risk from vaginal intercourse or oral sex."
Yes the risk is higher, but there is also a risk in heterosexual intercourse. Now what?
Also, not all homosexual couples engage in anal sex (around 60% only do)

You talk about nature, nature is everything around us. Humans, animals, plants and the surrounding environment is nature.
"It is against nature blah blah blah"
Then CleverDick posted a link on animal sexual behavior and you divert the argument saying "and oh wait, we're suddenly comparing ourselves to animals? hmmm what happened to the gift our brain and free will?"
Is this your way of a debate? Arguing for point X then diverting to point A?

Doesn't the bible teach good values? Why aren't they prevalent in you? You judge others, judge prostitutes and homosexuals.
You condemn others to have a gay child (Which in your eyes is something evil and repulsive, but in the eyes me and other like-minded people, we would totally accept our child)

The religious mind.
We give evidence for A, you give argument B.
We give evidence for B, you give argument C.

ooo contradictions. 60% of heteros have anal sex. how many % of that are religious? lol.
unprotected/promiscuous sex... hmmm, which human law controls these acts if not the good practice of religion?
back to the birth of the universe, we have no answers. i've already said they're theories. all we have is something, but without an explanation. when will science provide full-proof evidence of it?
i am merely a scholar whom relates science, religion and politics. it's a fact that people are leaning more towards science instead of religion. more and more think religion isn't something required anymore. but i theorised that people will fall back on it in the end eventually.
the belief in a supreme being is also theory. just  like science, theories are ready to cross over to being facts. but such a far-fetched theory is impossible to be a fact. and just like many theories, it is only logical to believe that it took more than just pure coincidence of how the universe was born.
i also believe in newton's third law. balance. for every extremist out there, there are the peaceful and humble. but all we see on tv are violence coz peace is just so boring to watch.

Yaiks... after reading this thread, i've just realized so many ppl going to hell.... GOOD LUCK everyone!

remember.. sometimes its better not to think .. you simply have to BELIEVE.... may the force be with you! PEACE

Increasing numbers of deaths/sudden deaths IS one of the sign.
Well, you cannot see the signs, because you are blinded.
By worldly pleasures....
Why care too much? Just enjoy, no?
May you find the Light....
and saved from the New Worldly Order....

Talk this talk that.But don't want to search the truth.I mean by searching the truth.Go and explore.Religions,proof and evidence.Do we need religion?Explore and you will know.

Have you all ever searched for the truth?Not curious to know? 

How may i say,how may others will say it.Its up to yourselves to know the wonders of this world.

Ok you say religion is a delusion.Have you gone deeply studied about religion?Say that you studied about Islam for instance.Please don't study it on the surface.Go deep you must as you want to know the truth right?Compare with other religions.It doesn't hurt for an Atheist to do some research wouldn't it?And i thought most are 'scientist'.And im sure they do like researching.

It up to yourselves actually if you want to find the truth or just hear from people's mouth or "look at this i got from this website". 

Your an atheist ? 

Why do you move out from it then?Because of something that you found that doesn't make sense?(the thoughts i got from my a dearly friend from Berlin)

for me i always thought that atheist people is base on pure logic right?or am i wrong here?They don't believe in "out-of-space" don't they?

Criticism.Some people when critics they can't accept.Some can.It depends on the individuals Mr.Cleverdick.

First, we don't worship the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h as god. Second, the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h doesn't have any education about this astronomy and science stuff, he doesn't even know how to write. Third, there other things that are mention in the Quran other that the big bang theory that can only be known in the modern world like the creation of human in mother's womb.

What is the difference between us human and animal??? One of it is the sense of moral. What is moral? How do you consider an activity is immoral? What are our moral concern? How do you know which issues is less moral importance or high moral importance? (If human really evolve from something else)Why and How our moral sense develop? Before we ask about do human need religion, we should try to answer everything regarding moral sense.
Salam..

At that time Arab people are consider barbarians. They love to war and love to kill. So, I don't the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h. would get any education about science and astronomy in an environment like that. And can you tell me about this philosophy about moral that you talk about and who created it.
Could you tell me where you get the info about the Aristotle? I tried to find about it but I still can't find it. It would be great if you give me the link or anything regarding this matter  ... Since I believe in Islam, what is written in the Quran is my moral compass and other actions that are forbid by the Quran is wrong. So, why you say cannibalism is wrong but still you eat meat from other animals.

Peace... 

Please compare between the Aristotle's theory and what is said in the quran.
http://www.islam101.com/science/embryo.html
If the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h. copy from the theory, they would be the same.

And please forgive me if I offended. The topic is do human need religion. I would say yes and by religion, I would mean Islam since that my religion. So, I would talk mostly refer to my belief.

Peace..

And it is also selectively quoted because this verse is conveniently forgotten

86:5] Let the human reflect on his creation.
[86:6] He was created from ejected liquid.
[86:7] From between the spine and the viscera.
[86:8] He is certainly able to resurrect him.

Here is another translation
(86:5-7) "He is created from a gushing fluid that issued from between the loins and ribs."
Semen, according to the Quran, is formed not in the testicles, but somewhere "between the loins and ribs."

The meaning of the text is pretty straight forward but the interpretation has to avoid the embarrasing contradiction with what we know today, it goes to great length to close the gap. If you read the rationalization to make it sounds right, it will make you smile. Here is one.

"Semen DOES NOT COME from the testicles, period!  It is neither produced in the testicles, nor does it come from the testicles during the time of coitus!
And that is a scientific fact!  Thirteen centuries ago even the scientific community thought that semen is produced in the testicles.  A pity!  Mr. Shamoum thinks so even today. The semen contains many things.  Between 95 to 98% of it consists of fructose, prostaglandin hormones, metal and salt ions, lipids, steroid hormones, enzymes, basic amines, and amino acids.  All those are produced from the glands located in abdomen.   Between 2 to 5% of it consists of the sperms produced in the testicles."

Might as well said that the elements are asembled from clay and dust from earth produced in the interior of stars. Why stop at the abdomen?

Here is another
…The words translated as “backbone” (sulb) and “ribs” (tarâ’ib) are not understood in Arabic to belong to the same person. Arabs understand the “sulb” to refer to a part of the male body and the “tarâ’ib” to a part of the female. Ibn Kathîr states: “It refers to the ‘sulb’ of the man and the ‘tarâ’ib’ of the woman…” He then quotes this interpretation on the authority of the Prophet’s companion Ibn `Abbâs. This same understanding is given in all the major classical works of Qur’anic commentary.
Many non-Arabs misinterpret this verse because they think that sulb and tara’ib refer to different body parts of the male. In reality, tara’ib is feminine, and refers to the female’s body part. For fourteen hundred years, all of the scholars have held this belief, and not a single classical scholar has ever differed on this point. The reason is that the Arabic makes it clear that tara’ib refers to a feminine body part, and not a male one.

Now it has been interpreted that the verse refers to a female. So what did that really tell you? Nothing. It struggles to fit into what we know today. Amusing isn't it?