did i say everyone's gonna turn gay? sexual preference? yeah so what? against nature itself. if you're saying that emitting co2 is causing the destruction of nature f*** that. i don't care. no one has the right to question whether i want to pollute or not. so go to hell with the green house bullshit stories?

have you ever heard to pornstars are admitted into hospitals in the US everyday for STI? you think they're practicing religion? you think that one day any type of STIs won't be immune to our ever-so-expiring medications? same case with gays. majority of them get AIDS via sodomy. you think creating rubber latex condoms and inserting it into the anus is a natural thing to do? who has the right to question them? nature itself. also gay people say they're just born that way. wow. what a great excuse. all natural right? now kids who think they're homos can all just resort to being gay. i hope your kid does.

and america the most religious nations. LOLz. haven't been to mecca or syria have you? i would also say the vatican is a small and religious nation, but the rumours about are rapidly growing there.
america is filled with christians. but their religion is dead. they don't practice. majority don't.
they're just christian by registration.
i like how you're so educated reading the times and newsweek and no other source of unfiltered info delivered by the west. it's no wonder you're like this.


haha. so you believe what bush said? clap clap clap. once a liar always a liar. weapons of mass destruction?
have you even seen how the WTC magically demolished itself into oblivion?
ever heard of the Carlyle Group?
wait let's not forget. where the f*** is bin laden? suddenly everyone just forgot?
went to war because God ordered him to do it. LOL.
it's like saying anwar ibrahim committed sodomy. TWICE. what a cheap lie.

baseless claims? facts right? your facts are so filtered it's so boring to hear what you have to say because i've heard it all.

practiced in moderation. yaya. we've heard all the lame excuses. yada yada yada.

and duh america as a country is in debt you doofus. highly geared on china. everyone knows that.
but who's doing the hard labour? china or america? who's living the easier life?
"don't i read?" ooooooooo cheap shot wise guy. lol.

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bwaahahahahaha you serious? ban straight sex? oh when will that day become i wonder. perhaps when technology comes up with a way for gays to reproduce. lol.
i don't think i'll even bother replying your next replies because people with religion suddenly have been accused of being shallow. yes the modern world as we know today disses religion everyday. i will accept all your hard "evidence" and "facts" via wikipedia, newsweek and times. i suppose us shallow people can hide in our holes now.

to answer questions that mind cant't answer.
to unravel the question about ethics that logic mind would have answered it wrongly.

1. u mean u accept the word YET .
2. the gray areas, so how are our own logical mind can tell? to learn also, we need fundamentals. religion teaches fundamentals?

first off,i don't want to elaborate on how HIV spreads,read this before your misconception gets deeper...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
and read these as well cuz homosexuality is NOT exclusive to humans,animals have been observed to display homosexual behavior and this gives scientists the indication that,sexual preference might be somehow genetically determined along with several other factors, together influence the sexual proclivity of animals...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behavior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice_and_sexual_orientation
last but not least,you have just showed me how distorted and narrow minded a religious person can be,let me just share some of my personal experience with you,I used to say and do exactly the same thing as what you're doing right now when I was a devoted believer,but after running several rounds of debate with a group of erudite atheists(actually not a debate,feud is the more appropriate term,i condemned while they carried out the debate reasonably and sensibly),i started to question my belief,did an investigation regarding my belief,and i realized that religion is not as benign as people thought it was and i soon quit my belief after that ,btw,you've made me curious ,have you ever questioned your belief?what makes you think it's the absolute truth and the 'sacred' book you read is believable?is the book inerrant?does religion turn me into someone that I don't even recognize? have you ever asked yourself these questions?anyway, if you think that religion does,to some extent,helps you to become a better person and you find comfort in what you believe,then go ahead,but DON'T impose your belief on others as if it was an irrefutable fact that everyone is obliged to practice...

quoted from your o-lovable wikipedia
"...and the risk for transmitting HIV through unprotected anal intercourse is greater than the risk from vaginal intercourse or oral sex."

what misconceptions you were saying again?

and oh wait, we're suddenly comparing ourselves to animals? hmmm what happened to the gift our brain and free will?
an excuse for being homo, mass adultery and what not will always fall back on science.
i'm not blaming science or anything. it does give you the facts.
i guess i'll just be homo now since science just explained everything for me rather than relying on religion to re-align the natural order.

and yes i've questioned my belief. let's go back to science.
theories suggests that everything was created via the big bang. and we know that matter can be created out of nothing (anti-matter). let's talk about time. some scientists has theorised that time was created. and it is part of another dimension. that there was a beginning of time. others believe that time has always existed, but this will rule out the fact that time travel is impossible which contradicts what one of the greatest scientist, einstein has ever said. so enough blabber about quantum physics, would you rather believe that the everything was created without the hands of a supreme being? there are more stars than there are grains of sands on earth. how bout you re-question your disbelief?

and you call me narrow minded? lol.
i've probably watched every conspiracy out there against/on religion. i did my phd on the relationship between science/religion and i've probably read more about religion than you. the question is now, have you? or you just gave yourself another excuse to give up the belief bestowed upon you by your parents and did not go anywhere from there? religion, just like science, relies a lot on research and reading. you've probably become a victim of what i simply call "the easier way out".

"...and the risk for transmitting HIV through unprotected anal intercourse is greater than the risk from vaginal intercourse or oral sex."
Yes the risk is higher, but there is also a risk in heterosexual intercourse. Now what?
Also, not all homosexual couples engage in anal sex (around 60% only do)

You talk about nature, nature is everything around us. Humans, animals, plants and the surrounding environment is nature.
"It is against nature blah blah blah"
Then CleverDick posted a link on animal sexual behavior and you divert the argument saying "and oh wait, we're suddenly comparing ourselves to animals? hmmm what happened to the gift our brain and free will?"
Is this your way of a debate? Arguing for point X then diverting to point A?

Doesn't the bible teach good values? Why aren't they prevalent in you? You judge others, judge prostitutes and homosexuals.
You condemn others to have a gay child (Which in your eyes is something evil and repulsive, but in the eyes me and other like-minded people, we would totally accept our child)

The religious mind.
We give evidence for A, you give argument B.
We give evidence for B, you give argument C.

1.as ianlee pointed out,heterosexuals as well have the risk of infected by HIV,but you fervently claimed that the homosexuals are condemnable because they somewhat have higher risk of getting infected?i mean,come on,every individual has the risk of getting infected if unprotected and promiscuous sex are upheld,if this is not misconception then what is it?
2.next,you're not answering the question,i was talking about science and now you're redirecting me back to religion,argument is considered invalid here....
3.we are yet to unfold the complete puzzles regarding the birth of the universe,so it's utterly fallacious to use these uncertainties as the evidence of your god's existence,again this is not a valid argument,and throughout the comments you have committed at least two logical fallacies,if using fallacies to strengthen your argument is the best you can do,then i must say,you're totally undeserving of the title PHD since PHD in my impression,is the one that could think critically and reasonably,however in your case,the opposite is true...
with respect to your last paragraph of your remarks,ironically,the more research i do,the more that i'm convinced that religion is nothing more than an entity that drives people going towards extreme agressiveness,and the book that is claimed holy(inerrant!?) throughout the history is just a compilation of unreasonabilities and unreliabilities,contradictions throughout,backed by fragmented evidence,most of the instances evidence found are against it,not supporting it(not to mention it holds absolutely no ground in the face of concrete scientific evidence that are against it),even the greatest religious scholars of all time are no longer able to defend effectively,the history of religion?well,full of violence,intolerance and not the otherwise was promoted,unreserved massacre incited by religion is found throughout the history,the injustice is still happening now,though have been scaled down considerably,thanks to the enforcement of laws.All these things led me to conclude that religion is totally unreasonable,you may convince yourself and argue that,oh well,there must be explanations for these,or in your case,brand them as conspiracies?but the more investigations you do,the more it strays you away from your religion,not brings closer....

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Added on March 26, 2010, 12:59 pm
yet he claimed that he's a PHD student,do you believe that?

ooo contradictions. 60% of heteros have anal sex. how many % of that are religious? lol.
unprotected/promiscuous sex... hmmm, which human law controls these acts if not the good practice of religion?
back to the birth of the universe, we have no answers. i've already said they're theories. all we have is something, but without an explanation. when will science provide full-proof evidence of it?
i am merely a scholar whom relates science, religion and politics. it's a fact that people are leaning more towards science instead of religion. more and more think religion isn't something required anymore. but i theorised that people will fall back on it in the end eventually.
the belief in a supreme being is also theory. just  like science, theories are ready to cross over to being facts. but such a far-fetched theory is impossible to be a fact. and just like many theories, it is only logical to believe that it took more than just pure coincidence of how the universe was born.
i also believe in newton's third law. balance. for every extremist out there, there are the peaceful and humble. but all we see on tv are violence coz peace is just so boring to watch.

back to the birth of the universe, we have no answers. i've already said they're theories. all we have is something, but without an explanation. when will science provide full-proof evidence of it?
i am merely a scholar whom relates science, religion and politics. it's a fact that people are leaning more towards science instead of religion. more and more think religion isn't something required anymore. but i theorised that people will fall back on it in the end eventually.
the belief in a supreme being is also theory. just  like science, theories are ready to cross over to being facts. but such a far-fetched theory is impossible to be a fact. and just like many theories, it is only logical to believe that it took more than just pure coincidence of how the universe was born.
i also believe in newton's third law. balance. for every extremist out there, there are the peaceful and humble. but all we see on tv are violence coz peace is just so boring to watch.

i am merely a scholar whom relates science, religion and politics. it's a fact that people are leaning more towards science instead of religion. more and more think religion isn't something required anymore. but i theorised that people will fall back on it in the end eventually.
the belief in a supreme being is also theory. just  like science, theories are ready to cross over to being facts. but such a far-fetched theory is impossible to be a fact. and just like many theories, it is only logical to believe that it took more than just pure coincidence of how the universe was born.
i also believe in newton's third law. balance. for every extremist out there, there are the peaceful and humble. but all we see on tv are violence coz peace is just so boring to watch.

Yaiks... after reading this thread, i've just realized so many ppl going to hell.... GOOD LUCK everyone!

remember.. sometimes its better not to think .. you simply have to BELIEVE.... may the force be with you! PEACE

Yaiks... after reading this thread, i've just realized so many ppl going to hell.... GOOD LUCK everyone!

remember.. sometimes its better not to think .. you simply have to BELIEVE.... may the force be with you! PEACE

ooo contradictions. 60% of heteros have anal sex. how many % of that are religious? lol.
unprotected/promiscuous sex... hmmm, which human law controls these acts if not the good practice of religion?
back to the birth of the universe, we have no answers. i've already said they're theories. all we have is something, but without an explanation. when will science provide full-proof evidence of it?
i am merely a scholar whom relates science, religion and politics. it's a fact that people are leaning more towards science instead of religion. more and more think religion isn't something required anymore. but i theorised that people will fall back on it in the end eventually.
the belief in a supreme being is also theory. just  like science, theories are ready to cross over to being facts. but such a far-fetched theory is impossible to be a fact. and just like many theories, it is only logical to believe that it took more than just pure coincidence of how the universe was born.
i also believe in newton's third law. balance. for every extremist out there, there are the peaceful and humble. but all we see on tv are violence coz peace is just so boring to watch.

Why do you need religion to lead a good life?
I lead a good life.
I don't commit crimes
I don't steal
I don't kill
I don't do things that will affect others adversely
I am not an *******.
Not enough?

To lead a good life must you pray every sunday or everyday for five times if your a muslim?
Must you give 10% of your salary to the church even though they are wealthy enough to feed the whole of africa? (Vatican)

So what if they have anal sex? They didn't force you to have anal sex with them right? Did they screw your ass hole? Is that why you are so homophobic?

but why dont you do any of the above? what conditioned you to know that those things are "bad"? parents? society norms? moral studies? books? movies? or others? and where do those get the idea that the things listed are bad?