QUOTE(xlidric @ Mar 18 2010, 09:38 AM)
law is created by man. morals are created by man. which man is superior enough to tell me what i can and cannot do?
the world was in chaos before religion (dark ages). incest, rape, murder, killings of babies etc. did you ever think it was human morals that stopped all these doings rather than religion being the very base of determining wrong doings. let's say we were still in the dark ages, would incest be a trend? a normality? perhaps after science discovers that it was cause inbreeding, then would humans stop. but wait.
let's talk about homosexuality. obviously everyone has their own right, but everyone isn't stupid enough to know that being homosexuals will not sustain the human race. look at america, a world torn down without religion, and homosexuals are in the uprising. now being homo is becoming a normality having others lose the sanctity of marriage. kids now have a reason to "not like" the opposite sex, an easy answer for them is to resort being gay/lesbian. so which human law is going to stop that? they're slowly growing, now if i'm not mistaken states of florida and san fran have made it legal for same sex marriage. let's just say one day all these homos come up with a new virus even deadlier than HIV. ever thought about the consequences?
so you say middle east is bounded by war and crime.
who came into iraq/afghan? americans, british, french, germans etc you name it. to find weapons of mass destruction? to find al qaeda? to seek revenge on 10000 americans that died in 911 and kill millions? which human law stopped that? which human law charged george w bush when tony blair was easily charged for war crimes? you talk about moral? f*** that. enforcement my ass. let's look at dubai. richhhhhhhhhhh. ever see anything there? chaos? nope. don't think so right? wow. how come? human laws? morals? the great prince is the ever so giving and kind? it all comes down to the wealthy and the powerful.
you talk about czech being non religious. alright. in terms of political stability and wealth they're fine. they rank top on the global peace index. similar to new zealand. would they be ever so different if they were religious? do you really think that if they were religious that chaos would come upon them? especially new zealand??? their country is at peace. stability. like i've said earlier, every wealthy man will in the end forget about religion. the need for gratitude is no longer there. there was one day when new zealand was religious. but all that faded away when they had everything. loss of gratitude leads to loss of religion. i've mentioned to you before on your country statistics, especially the global peace index, is a subliminal attack and propaganda against religion. and someone such as you has fallen for it very convincingly. it's just so funny how they put peace beside religiousness statistics instead of other comparable factors and data.
i won't defy the fact that the world is changing and becoming modern and this is the time that religion needless. but one day, when humans don't have anyone to turn to, they will eventually come back and lean on an idea/concept that shaped the world as we know today. religion.
Blue:
I'm sorry. Have you studied your own bible? The so called "good book".
Lets just look at your kind, loving and understanding god. Let us just see how many he/she/it killed in the bible.
Number Killed
Lot's wife for looking back 1
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" 1
Onan for spilling his seed 1
Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) 606
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf 3000
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord 1
A blasphemer 1
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath 1
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) 12+
Burned to death for offering incense 250
For complaining 14,700
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" 24,000
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) 90,000+
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. 5+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). 12,000
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees 5
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites 10,000
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly 1
God delivered Moabites 10,000
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. 120,000
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson 30
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson 1000
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism 3000
"The Lord smote Benjamin" 25,100
More Benjamites 25,000
For looking into the ark of the Lord 50,070
God delivered Philistines 20
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1
"The Lord smote Nabal." 1
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 1
David and Bathsheba's baby boy 1
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 7
From plague as punishment for David's census 70,000+
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1
Religious leaders killed in prayer contest 450
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 100,000
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 27,000
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 1
Burned to death by God 102
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 42
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 1
Jezebel 1
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 3+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 185,000
Saul 1
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 500,000
Jeroboam 1
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 1,000,000
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 1
Judean soldiers 212,000
Ezekiel's wife 1
Ananias and Sapphira 2
Herod 1
The total figure is around 2 million plus. Some reasons God kills them is absolutely ridiculous, for example god kills them because they worship another god (Oh wow, not only is your god a cruel one, he is also easily jealous!)
The story of Lot can be made into a porno script i tell you.
"And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father."
Pretty creative stuff must I say.
If you want to refute the facts above, please try. The number of people killed above is not including the number of CITIES destroyed by god (total 12 cities)
AND you still insist religion is a good moral compass. Tsk tsk.
Red:
So what you are trying to say is EVERYONE in this earth will turn gay? Wow, it's like saying hanging out with tall people will make myself tall! Nice theory. Everyone has their own sexual preference, no one has to right to question them, no one. Not you, not me, not some 2000 year old book and certainly not some old man in the sky.
Purple:
So america is without religion? Let me give you a lesson on facts.
The founding fathers of America built the whole government based on "secularism", meaning the seperation of church and state. This was a very good idea, up until recently, that is.
Politicians today realize that religion is such a useful tool, a tool that can influence so many people without question. Republican states of the US is more right wing, meaning traditional and well, you guessed it! RELIGIOUS. Did you know that 3 out of the 5 most dangerous cities are in the republican Texas? Hmm and you say religion has nothing to do with the difference of religiosity.
Today, many regard America as one of the most religious nations, because of their citizens.
Orange:
Once again, America lead the war and who proposed and allowed it? George W Bush.
George Bush is the most Christian of all TIME! The war in Irag and Afghan? He claims God told him to do it. It was a sign from god.
Quote from the man himself: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
Another proof of his religiousness: I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.
Statement made during campaign visit to Amish community, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Jul. 9, 2004
So, get your facts right. Thanks.
Added on March 18, 2010, 1:22 pmAdd on a bit.
"like i've said earlier, every wealthy man will in the end forget about religion"
I'm sorry, I'd like to change "wealthy" to "intelligent and independent".
Most wont forget about religion but will at least practice them in moderation.
America is not rich btw, it is trillions of dollars in debt. Don't you read?
Added on March 18, 2010, 1:32 pmQUOTE(L.A.C @ Mar 18 2010, 11:14 AM)
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
When we say Christianity is the truth, we don't say it based on what we've been taught.
I remember asking one of my friend,
I asked: "How would those who suffer hunger and difficulties in Africa ever have time to know God, think about God if they have even no time to find food?"
My friend said (roughly) : " Truth will be found if the heart truly seeks for it."
People nowadays have grown smarter and started to think that they're the best and they rule, they've forgotten to seek what is the truth.
No offense, just my thought
So it is the truth because you know it is? Backed up by no evidence, no thought put behind it and no nothing?
What if you die now and you see not St Peter at the gates, but the prophet Mohamad? (IDK how to spell his name)
What I am trying to say is, that you are brought up to believe it is the truth. If you were muslim you will be brought up to believe in Allah. Get the point?
P/s: The other day I knocked on my door but no one answered, I realized that there must be someone in the house for the door to be opened.
This post has been edited by ianlee: Mar 18 2010, 01:32 PM 
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