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raptor_cZn
post Dec 7 2009, 11:17 PM

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Just got a P2370H today as a replacement to my P2350. Samsung really seems to be cutting corners on the quality of the accessories.. cables etc. Doesn't seem as good as before but that's also due to the lower prices.

The one I got has HDMI input which solves my problem of needing dual inputs as I use it for my PC and PS3.

Certain gripes about the monitor. It comes with an external power brick which equates to more cable mess but I guess its a compromise for the slim design of the monitor. The touch sensitive buttons also don't have guide marks like the P2350 so sometimes you might be pressing the wrong area for the buttons to light up ^^;

Other than than, the image quality is slightly superior compared to the P2350.

Oh, I noticed some obvious backlight bleeding at the bottom right corner which has a bluish tint to it.

This post has been edited by raptor_cZn: Dec 8 2009, 01:24 AM
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post Dec 8 2009, 02:46 AM

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hello frens,..

im looking for a 23" lcd got any recommendation?full HD wans.thnx
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post Dec 8 2009, 04:03 AM

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samsung LCD's price dropping fast~~try ASUSVH242H 24"~~RM710 now~~
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post Dec 8 2009, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 7 2009, 11:03 PM)
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My quick take of the new Viewsonic VX2423WM 24" monitor.

I have been looking to upgrade to a FullHD 24", and without too much research, I bought the ViewSonic monitor above. When testing the monitor at the store before buying (with nVidia GPU using HDMI connection), I already noticed that the colors are washed out, too bright I say. Apart from that there are no other visible problems, even after playing some 1080p test videos, so I bought it anyway.

At home, I unpacked the monitor and connected it to a Geforce GT220 via HDMI connection, and with the washed out colors I seen during the store testing, I also have overscan problems that I didn't experience during testing. Apparently, this monitor has two modes of HDMI connection; HDMI PC and HDMI AV (default). Changing the connection type to HDMI PC solves the overscan problem.

Then I moved to solve the washed out color problems, and this is where I spent much of my time in trial-and-error mode. First, I tried to adjust the brightness and contrast settings but to no avail. I also tried to adjust the RGB colors and the result is the same. Stumped, I left the monitor alone as I get some afternoon nap.

After I wake up, I checked my RSS feed and found out that Psyren 95 has come out. I downloaded it and then fired up FastStone Image Viewer to read it. It was here I found out what caused the washed out color problem, and that is, unlike the majority of the computer monitors out there, the new LCD is currently calibrated with TV levels (16-235) instead of the usual PC levels (0-255). To confirm my findings, I played some videos that has some true blacks in it and they come out grey.

As I have no idea how to change the levels, I popped in the included CD and started to read the manual (no printed manual for you here). In one of the pages, the manual says that you can change the 'Display Mode' between RGB and YUV, and the manual says YUV is the HD mode. I changed the setting to YUV, but there are to visible improvements seen in the LCD levels.

I then remembers that nVidia drivers defaulted at passing RGB color format to the monitor if the HDMI connection is used, so I opened the nVidia Control Panel and changed the digital color format from RGB to YCbCr 444 and voila, I now have correct black/white levels! Blacks are not grey anymore and white are not washed out.

The only thing left to do is to fix the gamma curve which is too high, causing the colors to be less vivid compared to my older Samsung 226bw. That was taken care of with Windows 7 calibration utility, but I need to borrow a hardware calibration soon to generate a profile.

After all that, this monitor is quite good actually, after all the headaches fixing the out-of-the-box settings and normalized the gamma curve. I think the monitor started to overscan because it detected that I am passing audio via the HDMI cable. I think the calibration level problem would not be there either if I use DVI connection.
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bro, is 2423 or 2433?
and how much u got it?
599?
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post Dec 8 2009, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(cougar richard @ Dec 8 2009, 06:34 AM)
bro, is 2423 or 2433?
and how much u got it?
599?
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Oops, it was VX2433wm actually.
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post Dec 8 2009, 10:49 AM

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Ok, here is a picture of the unusual backlight bleed that I have on my P2370H. Notice the bluish tint too.

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Anyone else having this monitor? I hope only mine has this issue so I can exchange it.


Compared to my older Samsung 932B+. Its actually less obvious when you are looking at it instead of the picture.
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Compared to the P2350
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post Dec 8 2009, 08:53 PM

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guys~y dun u all try ASUS VH242H~~quite reliable~~so far so good~
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post Dec 8 2009, 09:55 PM

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BTW what software everyone use to test their LCD monitors? From CNET I see they using DisplayMate for testing, anybody used before?
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post Dec 9 2009, 04:11 AM

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Is AOC brand good or dell better
24 inch both also about rM700

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post Dec 9 2009, 06:03 AM

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wow w2453tq only rm 719 now nice only no hdmi for a RM 700+ monitor thats why not selling good
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Dec 9 2009, 06:03 AM)
wow w2453tq only rm 719 now nice only no hdmi for a RM 700+ monitor thats why not selling good
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where did you get that price?

you mean no hdmi cable included or no hdmi
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post Dec 9 2009, 10:04 AM

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guys..
i'm using acer h233h for my xbox via hdmi

The built in speaker is too loud

how do i transfer the sound to external speaker?

the lcd only have hdmi,analog,dvi & sound input.
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post Dec 9 2009, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(arafat @ Dec 9 2009, 10:04 AM)
guys..
i'm using acer h233h for my xbox via hdmi

The built in speaker is too loud

how do i transfer the sound to external speaker?

the lcd only have hdmi,analog,dvi & sound input.
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Q: Is this monitor suitable to use with ps3/xbox and is there any way to connect a separate headphone or speakers to the monitor?
A: This monitor can be connected to a PS3 through HDMI. However, you may not connect a separate set of speakers of headphone to this product since it does not have an audio out port.

To enable the sound to transmit through your stereo, etc, simply by using the composite cable(the one that came with the ps3 or xbox)

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QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 7 2009, 11:03 PM)

My quick take of the new Viewsonic VX2433WM 24" monitor.

I have been looking to upgrade to a FullHD 24", and without too much research, I bought the ViewSonic monitor above. When testing the monitor at the store before buying (with nVidia GPU using HDMI connection), I already noticed that the colors are washed out, too bright I say. Apart from that there are no other visible problems, even after playing some 1080p test videos, so I bought it anyway.

At home, I unpacked the monitor and connected it to a Geforce GT220 via HDMI connection, and with the washed out colors I seen during the store testing, I also have overscan problems that I didn't experience during testing. Apparently, this monitor has two modes of HDMI connection; HDMI PC and HDMI AV (default). Changing the connection type to HDMI PC solves the overscan problem.

Then I moved to solve the washed out color problems, and this is where I spent much of my time in trial-and-error mode. First, I tried to adjust the brightness and contrast settings but to no avail. I also tried to adjust the RGB colors and the result is the same. Stumped, I left the monitor alone as I get some afternoon nap.

After I wake up, I checked my RSS feed and found out that Psyren 95 has come out. I downloaded it and then fired up FastStone Image Viewer to read it. It was here I found out what caused the washed out color problem, and that is, unlike the majority of the computer monitors out there, the new LCD is currently calibrated with TV levels (16-235) instead of the usual PC levels (0-255). To confirm my findings, I played some videos that has some true blacks in it and they come out grey.

As I have no idea how to change the levels, I popped in the included CD and started to read the manual (no printed manual for you here). In one of the pages, the manual says that you can change the 'Display Mode' between RGB and YUV, and the manual says YUV is the HD mode. I changed the setting to YUV, but there are to visible improvements seen in the LCD levels.

I then remembers that nVidia drivers defaulted at passing RGB color format to the monitor if the HDMI connection is used, so I opened the nVidia Control Panel and changed the digital color format from RGB to YCbCr 444 and voila, I now have correct black/white levels! Blacks are not grey anymore and white are not washed out.

The only thing left to do is to fix the gamma curve which is too high, causing the colors to be less vivid compared to my older Samsung 226bw. That was taken care of with Windows 7 calibration utility, but I need to borrow a hardware calibration soon to generate a profile.

After all that, this monitor is quite good actually, after all the headaches fixing the out-of-the-box settings and normalized the gamma curve. I think the monitor started to overscan because it detected that I am passing audio via the HDMI cable. I think the calibration level problem would not be there either if I use DVI connection.
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Does dis means if connect dis LCD via HDMI, i need to do all dis calibrations?? Its quite troublesome iinit?...And also

if connect via DVI does the color still wash-out? and also need to calibrate??..
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=.= i am no pro in LCD, all I do is buy, plug, and play. Does all the calibration necessary?
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post Dec 9 2009, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(126910937 @ Dec 9 2009, 07:00 PM)
Does dis means if connect dis LCD via HDMI, i need to do all dis calibrations?? Its quite troublesome iinit?...And also

if connect via DVIĀ  does the color still wash-out? and also need to calibrate??..
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At least it will not overscan if the HDMI cable doesn't pass audio. I think the color will not be washed out if using DVI, but if it did, just change 'Display Mode' from RGB to YUV then.

edit: Just tested with DVI cable and yeah, no overscan problems and no bright colors. Reverting the settings to default and everything is just fine. So if you connect to the monitor with DVI cable there should be no problems.

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very happy with my dell 2409W now smile.gif
anybody know where is selling 26" lcd?
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post Dec 9 2009, 11:53 PM

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post Dec 9 2009, 11:56 PM

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Finally got my 80,000:1 contrast Acer H233H, by far better than any lcd of this category. Reason being not only the contrast it comes with hdmi, (cables included) it also comes with what i call the glossy / glass effect surface, only Acer and HP has this i think. if you compare side by side this effect tend to create a more lively display compared to the flat and slightly greenish surface. got it pluged in to my Acer one aspire netbook. worked with a big smile on my face.

you can get it at Viewnet. i looked all over lowyat couldnt find, so i asked my regular viewnet guy. they are still selling off the 40,000:1 units at RM629 but if you ask they might have the 80,000:1 unit which is the same price!!! Hope this helps.... hoping for a PS3 slim to pair with this beauty soon....

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