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post Oct 20 2009, 08:00 PM

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Please allow me say a few words about whey protein.

Raw whey is a by product of cheese making and was dumped into the drain before it was discovered as a superior source of protein.
The protein is isolated by various types of processing methods and each method yields different % of protein, amino acid profile and nutrition value.
As for bodybuilding, it doesn't make any difference if you are using A or B. But certain individuals would not be tolerance to certain types of processing method because different processing method yields different quality of whey proteins or components. Whey protein is composed of many components. Different people react differently to certain components in the whey protein.

I have been selling whey proteins since the mid 90s before I started importing my own stuffs in 2001. I can say that whey proteins produced superb results on people who have impaired or poor immune response. Different whey proteins produced different results for this case. There are specialized whey proteins which are processed specifically to meet certain specifications for specific purpose. They don't come cheap because of the hi tech machines that are designed for that purpose. These whey proteins do make a big difference in immune support. But as for bodybuilding, I don't think it will make any significant impact on muscles gain. I would go for the cheaper whey protein concentrate.

This is from my 14 years experience in selling and supplying various types of whey proteins for general health, nutrition therapy and lastly bodybuilding.



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post Oct 20 2009, 09:02 PM

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ic, but most of the protein consumed by weight lifters like myself, we take the ones like ON's rite?the isolates one..for at least or slightly bttr result is - concntrate?is it?or i wrongly misunderstood these things?:Phahaha..

getting pening already now..
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post Oct 20 2009, 09:55 PM

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The isolate has more protein than concentrate. That's all. Isolate doesn't give you better results. Concentrate has better nutrition value while isolate has higher protein %.
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post Oct 20 2009, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 20 2009, 09:02 PM)
ic, but most of the protein consumed by weight lifters like myself, we take the ones like ON's rite?the isolates one..for at least or slightly bttr result is - concntrate?is it?or i wrongly misunderstood these things?:Phahaha..

getting pening already now..

Apa benda you rambling? rclxub.gif
Isolate and Concentrate is just the grading of the raw materials (e.g. whey).

'Concentrate' has lower %, 'isolate' is purer with higher %. <--- these 2 are raw materials used to make ON 1000% Platinum Whey, BSN Syntha6,000,000, NuclearTech, etc.

Just shuddup and drink you whey. nod.gif
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post Oct 21 2009, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(4Rings @ Oct 20 2009, 10:55 PM)
The isolate has more protein than concentrate. That's all. Isolate doesn't give you better results. Concentrate has better nutrition value while isolate has higher protein %.
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How about another protien source compare to whey??
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post Oct 21 2009, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 20 2009, 10:25 PM)
Apa benda you rambling? rclxub.gif
Isolate and Concentrate is just the grading of the raw materials (e.g. whey).

'Concentrate' has lower %, 'isolate' is purer with higher %. <--- these 2 are raw materials used to make ON 1000% Platinum Whey, BSN Syntha6,000,000, NuclearTech, etc.

Just shuddup and drink you whey. nod.gif
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wah,need to be rude izzit? smile.gif
i donno thats y i asked..if i were smart i wouldn't be here in the first place..
reason why i'm ere is coz maybe u guys got some extra info which can maybe enlighten me a lil bit..thanks anyway.


Added on October 21, 2009, 9:21 am
QUOTE(4Rings @ Oct 20 2009, 09:55 PM)
The isolate has more protein than concentrate. That's all. Isolate doesn't give you better results. Concentrate has better nutrition value while isolate has higher protein %.
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thanks bro..now i got it..hmm..might try and find some info more on this..: smile.gif

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post Oct 21 2009, 09:39 AM

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I think the main purpose of ISO whey in the bodybuilding industry is for the reason that some of the individual suffer from lactose intolerance, therefore those solution are better for them. Nevertheless it is freaking expensive compared to con whey.

Thumbs up for 4rings.

P/S: just manage to watch "Stronger, Bigger, Faster", the par they talk about supplement, really explained it all.

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post Oct 21 2009, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Oct 21 2009, 09:39 AM)
I think the main purpose of ISO whey in the bodybuilding industry is for the reason that some of the individual suffer from lactose intolerance, therefore those solution are better for them. Nevertheless it is freaking expensive compared to con whey.

Thumbs up for 4rings.

P/S: just manage to watch "Stronger, Bigger, Faster", the par they talk about supplement, really explained it all.
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nice bro..thanks for the info..will look into it.. thumbup.gif
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post Oct 21 2009, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 21 2009, 09:20 AM)
QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 20 2009, 10:25 PM)

[...] ON 1000% Platinum Whey, BSN Syntha6,000,000, NuclearTech, etc. <-- satire

Just shuddup and drink you whey. nod.gif <-- bro talk
wah,need to be rude izzit? smile.gif
i donno thats y i asked..if i were smart i wouldn't be here in the first place..
reason why i'm ere is coz maybe u guys got some extra info which can maybe enlighten me a lil bit..thanks anyway.
No dude, that's 'bro talk' and satire. laugh.gif Sorry if it came across as crass.

Now just shuddup & suck it up!
Ahahahahahaha! tongue.gif


Added on October 21, 2009, 10:18 am
QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 21 2009, 08:35 AM)
How about another protien source compare to whey??
Go look up the PER (protein efficiency ratio) value of the protein. PER = Gain in body protein(gm) / Protein intake (gm)

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post Oct 21 2009, 12:39 PM

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[quote=iamyuanwu,Oct 21 2009, 10:17 AM]
wah,need to be rude izzit? smile.gif
i donno thats y i asked..if i were smart i wouldn't be here in the first place..
reason why i'm ere is coz maybe u guys got some extra info which can maybe enlighten me a lil bit..thanks anyway.[/quote]No dude, that's 'bro talk' and satire. laugh.gif Sorry if it came across as crass.

Now just shuddup & suck it up!
Ahahahahahaha! tongue.gif


Added on October 21, 2009, 10:18 amGo look up the PER (protein efficiency ratio) value of the protein. PER = Gain in body protein(gm) / Protein intake (gm)
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ok, sorry mate..tot u were pissed coz i asked a lot of questions..tongue.gif
btw, do u think someone with an endomorph body can get lean very easy?hmm..to be honest, my frens says dat my 4 pack is getting visible..so, how do we actually do with the last one?is it potong air like some say?or diet sumore?my diet,well, 70-80% clean..juz wanna try only to get the 6 pack..if cannot it's ok.. thumbup.gif still happy..
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post Oct 21 2009, 03:58 PM

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sorry for digressing...

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post Oct 21 2009, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 21 2009, 03:58 PM)
sorry for digressing...

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Bro, u a marathon runner izzit?or u join those iron man thingy?u sound really fit.. smile.gif
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post Oct 21 2009, 04:35 PM

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No lah. I don't run marathon.
It's just a short cross country I run for fun. I totally forgot about it until a week before. Then, semangat giler buat training. But I didn't feel it made any difference. LOL!
And I'm not fit. I'm skinny.
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post Oct 21 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 21 2009, 01:39 PM)
ok, sorry mate..tot u were pissed coz i asked a lot of questions..tongue.gif
btw, do u think someone with an endomorph body can get lean very easy?hmm..to be honest, my frens says dat my 4 pack is getting visible..so, how do we actually do with the last one?is it potong air like some say?or diet sumore?my diet,well, 70-80% clean..juz wanna try only to get the 6 pack..if cannot it's ok.. thumbup.gif still happy..
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perhaps cutting your calories, fatburner, hydrocut.
Flaxseed oil can tap to your bodyfat and turn it into energy. give it a try

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post Oct 21 2009, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Oct 21 2009, 09:39 AM)
I think the main purpose of ISO whey in the bodybuilding industry is for the reason that some of the individual suffer from lactose intolerance, therefore those solution are better for them. Nevertheless it is freaking expensive compared to con whey.

Thumbs up for 4rings.

P/S: just manage to watch "Stronger, Bigger, Faster", the par they talk about supplement, really explained it all.
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haha..its a good watch wasnt it?
watch the part they photoshopped the model for NitroTech? that is epic tongue.gif


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post Oct 21 2009, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(bata @ Oct 21 2009, 05:21 PM)
haha..its a good watch wasnt it?
watch the part they photoshopped the model for NitroTech? that is epic tongue.gif
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Yeah, lol tats wat we always see in the magazine for those product. He freaking go and draw the abs. The photoshop dude said "It works all the time" lol. Then aft tat the guy go and mix those creatine and stuff into pills and said it is new type of supplement since FDA is not going to check. lol.

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post Oct 22 2009, 09:09 AM

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conclusion?go and do the natural whey, keep ur supplement at minimum bay, and no steroids..tongue.gif
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post Oct 22 2009, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 22 2009, 09:09 AM)
conclusion?go and do the natural whey, keep ur supplement at minimum bay, and no steroids..tongue.gif
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U got it. Prioritize real food.
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Guys, have u been to this guy website..he usually writes at bodybuilding.com..name is costanza or something..he says he's on natural..respect this guy la..doing it natural requires sheer dedication man..how i wish..he doesn't and will nvr believe in roids..then again, our cost of food here is so expensive..blom cukup bulan sudah mau bankrap..tongue.gif

oh,btw, this is the guy website :http://anthonycatanzaro.com/
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(FedUp @ Oct 18 2009, 01:24 AM)
Male , 180cm , 73kg

Just finish my 1st protien(syntha6) looking for other protien brands with low fat content , current brands in mind freak fix, gold standard , nitro-tech hardcore. Any suggestion?
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Conclusion is go for 100% gold standard whey.
Just to add a note:
For many years, egg protein was considered the best source. It is still the best natural source. It has a complete protein profile and is easily digested and absorbed.

Why Use Bodybuilding Supplements?
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