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iamyuanwu
post Jun 26 2010, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 26 2010, 04:18 PM)
natural food is the best as the quality of the protein comes is much better than the syntetic,
Probs about muscletech is their price, because of their clinical studies etc.
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Muscletech; CLINICAL STUDIES?!
Are you sure?!
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post Jun 26 2010, 06:25 PM

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HAHA~~!! Cause i lazy to do survey bro...why got so tense all of sudden =.="


Added on June 26, 2010, 6:27 pm
QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 26 2010, 04:46 PM)
ain't gonna give anymore advice. seriously, after so many people replying the same thing and it still doesn't register, why bother? do whatever you want to do man, its your body, its your wallet. i don't know why you made a post here in the first place.
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LOL...u misunderstand it bro...i was just asking hw is the nitrotech at first....thats all...

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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Jun 26 2010, 03:20 PM)
@@" i was just asking whether nitrotech is good o not here...so yes o no right ?


Added on June 26, 2010, 3:27 pm
Yo dude, i mis this reply...actually this i wat i want to know...

i play hard when working out

Just looking for some supplement thats all. About price..it doesn't really a matter to me.

So thanks for everything.

Ciao ciao...
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What is your goals anyway?
its like you're trying to lose weight, then you wanna take protein to bulk up at the same time.
just so you know, you cant really lose fats and pack on muscle at the same time... its really difficult to do that unless you're just starting out exercises.
so its either u lose fats/ or pack on mass... not both.

just so you know, even if i had unlimited funds, i wouldnt go with muscletech.
its ridiculous to pay the price of a ferrari for a kancil.
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post Jun 29 2010, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jun 26 2010, 05:09 PM)
Dude, if Nitrotech is overpriced, it means OTHER brands have the same OR BETTER protein content and nutritional value AT A LOWER PRICE. Tell me logically, why would you PAY MORE, if you could get the exact same thing, FOR LESS.
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errr... but i get muscletech very cheap compare to normal price of whey.....
like this la, put it this way, if all the whey are free, which one will you go for??
I go for muscletech, but wait, because the flavour is awesome and i dont have to wash my bottle the way i need to wash it when using other whey...
i just rinse it with water and its damn bloody clean with no odor, if i were to do that with ON, or UN or etc etc the smell is like oh em gee.
damn.
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 29 2010, 10:36 AM)
errr... but i get muscletech very cheap compare to normal price of whey.....
like this la, put it this way, if all the whey are free, which one will you go for??
I go for muscletech, but wait, because the flavour is awesome and i dont have to wash my bottle the way i need to wash it when using other whey...
i just rinse it with water and its damn bloody clean with no odor, if i were to do that with ON, or UN or etc etc the smell is like oh em gee.
damn.
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where u get ur muscletech?
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post Jun 29 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 26 2010, 05:45 PM)
Muscletech; CLINICAL STUDIES?!
Are you sure?!
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Have you seen their research facilities? LOL
Clinical Studies pulak, Clinical test? or wat is it that they called?
Tested on human subject, see their growth, etc etc...
then their studies, to make it much more efficient to absorb. etc etc.
small partical etc etc etc... ah i dont know how to explain.


Added on June 29, 2010, 10:43 am
QUOTE(chicaman @ Jun 29 2010, 10:40 AM)
where u get ur muscletech?
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A friend of mine open a supp shop, at kuching.
so when i place order he'll put under his shop's order, then when he came down to kl he'll bring it or he'll post it up to me.


Added on June 29, 2010, 10:45 ambut all in all, the best way to see is not by looking at labels or how much protein it contains per serving etc etc etc, just have to try it out yourself and see which work best for you, to achieve your goals, not everything is the same like in a text book. you have to try it out find it out yourself.
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 26 2010, 05:18 PM)
natural food is the best as the quality of the protein comes is much better than the syntetic,
Probs about muscletech is their price, because of their clinical studies etc.

i'm using muscletech, the latest one seems quite worth it,
big diff then using normal protein.no kidding.
and the flavor..... oh my.... my cookies and cream... with real oreo bits..... oh my... im going to take another 2 scoop now.

Here is what something i read some month back, thought might be good to share it with u all since we talk about protein powders.

We must be ever vigilant that we are combining whole foods with our protein powders and high calorie powder mixtures...the reason for this is simple the nutrients in your shake have a higher probability of being utilized if those nutrients are introduced into your system calorically bound to whole foods - foods which your systems are and have been accustomed to utilizing since the day of your birth. I have experimented with plain powders; and with nutrient/shake mixtures to find that my digestive processes and overall gains were significantly better with the whole food option.

Offseason caloric consumption must be considered within the context of the proper utilization of offseason supplementation; and that consideration must be centered around whole food options combined with a solid nutritional additive...

This has been a cardinal rung in my training and physical careers. I hope this helps; good luck.

MACHINE
i've tried and it works.
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Bro, IMO you can't compare nitrotech with normal Whey.
It's Different
You should compare it with On Pro Complex, UN Lava
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post Jun 29 2010, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 29 2010, 10:41 AM)
Have you seen their research facilities? LOL
Clinical Studies pulak, Clinical test? or wat is it that they called?
Tested on human subject, see their growth, etc etc...
then their studies, to make it much more efficient to absorb. etc etc.
small partical etc etc etc... ah i dont know how to explain.


Added on June 29, 2010, 10:43 am

A friend of mine open a supp shop, at kuching.
so when i place order he'll put under his shop's order, then when he came down to kl he'll bring it or he'll post it up to me.


Added on June 29, 2010, 10:45 ambut all in all, the best way to see is not by looking at labels or how much protein it contains per serving etc etc etc, just have to try it out yourself and see which work best for you, to achieve your goals, not everything is the same like in a text book. you have to try it out find it out yourself.
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Of course the company would tell you that they've done clinical studies. Just like they've supposedly done the same thing for GAKIC and LEUKIC and everything else. It's common knowledge supplement companies will only claim such.
Which is why it's called a sales gimmick. Whey is still whey. There's a reason why ON Whey has still topped bb.com 5 years in a row as best selling and best voted protein supplement. =P I still
remember terry's quote when we were chilling at mamak: big guys don't use muscle tech.

It's a decent product though, not take anything away from it but grossly exagerrated and grossly
overpriced.
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QUOTE(arekey @ Jun 29 2010, 01:36 PM)
Bro, IMO you can't compare nitrotech with normal Whey.
It's Different
You should compare it with On Pro Complex, UN Lava
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ah yes absolutely right, pro complex and lava.


Added on June 29, 2010, 7:58 pm
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 29 2010, 03:39 PM)
Of course the company would tell you that they've done clinical studies. Just like they've supposedly done the same thing for GAKIC and LEUKIC and everything else. It's common knowledge supplement companies will only claim such.
Which is why it's called a sales gimmick. Whey is still whey. There's a reason why ON Whey has still topped bb.com 5 years in a row as best selling and best voted protein supplement. =P I still
remember terry's quote when we were chilling at mamak: big guys don't use muscle tech.

It's a decent product though, not take anything away from it but grossly exagerrated and grossly
overpriced.
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LOL
True, back to back protein is protein.
But have you tried the Nitrotech Pro series flavours?
Try cookies and cream, damn thats the best flavour i've ever tasted ever (for whey)


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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 29 2010, 07:50 PM)
ah yes absolutely right, pro complex and lava.


Added on June 29, 2010, 7:58 pm

LOL
True, back to back protein is protein.
But have you tried the Nitrotech Pro series flavours?
Try cookies and cream, damn thats the best flavour i've ever tasted ever (for whey)
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Dunno la bro. Been tempted sometimes but the price turns me off. But I know they upgraded their protein content to 25 grams per scoop as opposed to the 22 grams. That's a good improvement. Still... the price... grrr...
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post Jun 30 2010, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 29 2010, 10:41 AM)
Have you seen their research facilities? LOL
Clinical Studies pulak, Clinical test? or wat is it that they called?
Tested on human subject, see their growth, etc etc...
then their studies, to make it much more efficient to absorb. etc etc.
small partical etc etc etc... ah i dont know how to explain.


Added on June 29, 2010, 10:43 am

A friend of mine open a supp shop, at kuching.
so when i place order he'll put under his shop's order, then when he came down to kl he'll bring it or he'll post it up to me.


Added on June 29, 2010, 10:45 ambut all in all, the best way to see is not by looking at labels or how much protein it contains per serving etc etc etc, just have to try it out yourself and see which work best for you, to achieve your goals, not everything is the same like in a text book. you have to try it out find it out yourself.
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The question should be, do they have a research facility. Supplements are just food stuff. Their 'research facility' is probably no better than Dutch Lady's ingredient mixing lab in PJ.
Just don't fall into the hype of advertisements and marketing.

I'm not saying MuscleTech is poison or bad. If someone suggest that you buy Amway Whey, you'd scoff at them for buying overpriced stuff which is no different from Scivation.

MuscleTech probably cost more is because they advertise more & they add in some funky ingredients to their whey. LOL!
Since you don't pay normal retail price, i guess that's moot point for you. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 30 2010, 01:15 AM)
The question should be, do they have a research facility. Supplements are just food stuff. Their 'research facility' is probably no better than Dutch Lady's ingredient mixing lab in PJ.
Just don't fall into the hype of advertisements and marketing.

I'm not saying MuscleTech is poison or bad. If someone suggest that you buy Amway Whey, you'd scoff at them for buying overpriced stuff which is no different from Scivation.

MuscleTech probably cost more is because they advertise more & they add in some funky ingredients to their whey. LOL!
Since you don't pay normal retail price, i guess that's moot point for you. laugh.gif
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Out of the topic a lil, i watch an youtube on muscle tech cellmass, the dude showing that the product actually has quite a high number of sugar inside. sad.gif
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ON PRO COMPLEX, is this multi phase absorption protein blend? Can i use this in the morning and before sleep ? Using whey for PWO ady....

any bro can tell me the diff between ON Nitro Core 24 and ON Pro Complex ?

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 29 2010, 10:58 PM)
Dunno la bro. Been tempted sometimes but the price turns me off. But I know they upgraded their protein content to 25 grams per scoop as opposed to the 22 grams. That's a good improvement. Still... the price... grrr...
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If you're tempted, for once in your life just try it.
you'll never know.
btw i bet you gonna get hooked up with the flavours,
my suggestion, cookies and creams.
get the pro series. plus u dont have to wash your shaker thoroughly, just rinse with water i'll be clean.
took ON this morning, grrrrrr, wasted 2 minute washing the shaker.


Added on June 30, 2010, 9:30 am
QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 30 2010, 01:15 AM)
The question should be, do they have a research facility. Supplements are just food stuff. Their 'research facility' is probably no better than Dutch Lady's ingredient mixing lab in PJ.
Just don't fall into the hype of advertisements and marketing.

I'm not saying MuscleTech is poison or bad. If someone suggest that you buy Amway Whey, you'd scoff at them for buying overpriced stuff which is no different from Scivation.

MuscleTech probably cost more is because they advertise more & they add in some funky ingredients to their whey. LOL!
Since you don't pay normal retail price, i guess that's moot point for you. laugh.gif
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eh brother, Dutch Lady's ingredient mixing lab, lol
wtf? lol
thats processing plant, research facilities
if you have used one you'll know the diff...

their hardcore-proseries is worth it.
i only using that.
i dont know, i might gonna get alot of boo from you all, but im using nano-vapor as well, and the stuff works too.
no kidd.
I can see alot of diff when using muscletech pro-series, unlike normal products took longer to notice the difference.

okay, thats for me lah, for others im not sure.
=X


Added on June 30, 2010, 9:35 am
QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 19 2009, 04:55 PM)
Sorry, does mean to insult. sometimes these people anoying.

100% gold whey is work too. Pro complex even better coz have blend of protien.
Pro complex has whey and Egg albumen. means have multiple source of protien. plus high in amino.

Even wonder why BB have egg on thier diet?
Based on my experience, protien powder with egg ablumen work faster like weider megamass
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Sorry, i have to add up when i see this.
I take my protein shake with eggs, tak peduli setengah masak, or boiled or sunny side up, i can gurantee you, its better than Pro Complex.

If you wanna take multiple source of whey, why not u take quarter scoop wpc quarter scoop wpi, quater scoop milk quater scoop egg protein, more source.

everything works differently, and what matter the most is whether you body could utilize all of this protein intake or not.
quite pointless if you have small muscle and your taking 20-30 diff source of protein and it all turn to sh*t.

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Sponsored big guys take muscletech coz its free lol.

Reom: How do u feel on the vapor? my fren tried and he said the taste is bad and no much effect (he prefer bsn N.O thou).

I made a huge mistake, i take 100 - 150g of chicken and the weight is as it is raw, aft cook left with 60% of the weight, guess i m taking less protein ><. Instead of 30g it left with 20g T.T
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QUOTE(jamis @ Jun 30 2010, 10:54 AM)
Sponsored big guys take muscletech coz its free lol.

Reom: How do u feel on the vapor? my fren tried and he said the taste is bad and no much effect (he prefer bsn N.O thou).

I made a huge mistake, i take 100 - 150g of chicken and the weight is as it is raw, aft cook left with 60% of the weight, guess i m taking less protein ><. Instead of 30g it left with 20g T.T
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Sup. How's training? Omg Xtend Grape tastes awesome!
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 30 2010, 10:59 AM)
Sup. How's training? Omg Xtend Grape tastes awesome!
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Squat morality drops horribly lol.
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QUOTE(jamis @ Jun 30 2010, 11:15 AM)
Squat morality drops horribly lol.
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 29 2010, 07:50 PM)
But have you tried the Nitrotech Pro series flavours?
Try cookies and cream, damn thats the best flavour i've ever tasted ever (for whey)
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scivation FTW!
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 30 2010, 10:25 AM)
Sorry, i have to add up when i see this.
I take my protein shake with eggs, tak peduli setengah masak, or boiled or sunny side up, i can gurantee you, its better than Pro Complex.
If you wanna take multiple source of whey, why not u take quarter scoop wpc quarter scoop wpi, quater scoop milk quater scoop egg protein, more source.

everything works differently, and what matter the most is whether you body could utilize all of this protein intake or not.
quite pointless if you have small muscle and your taking 20-30 diff source of protein and it all turn to sh*t.
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Of course it’s better bro. Supplement it’s just for convenience sake. I don’t have ‘eating egg’ habit lol.
For the protein bled sake it’s because protein blends are generally a combination of several types of protein blends such as whey protein concentrate, whey protein isolate, egg protein, casein protein,
and soy protein. So you will receive the full spectrum
of proteins and you will receive varying rates of absorption from the different
types of protein. Using a blend will create an anabolic environment from the whey
and an anti-catabolic environment from the casein – use this kind during the Growth
and Recovery Phases.


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