that's not guarantee...it's called nutritions effect...

don't worry, i think you'll get ripped in no time...

if it's true, sure i'll making money.

ripped cannot be guarantee unless u watch ur calories..
calories in vs calories out

OH COME ON !!! adequate nutrition with pro complex alone ? Adequate nutrition = adequate amounts of each macronutrient (carbs, proteins and fats) from WHOLE FOOD SOURCES.

lol, just ignore his msg, he is strong believer of supplement.

Didn't you know the word STACK??? or should i give you the meaning of stack???
Bodybuilding supplements are good because they prevent us from getting any nutritional deficiencies. The increased activity levels from your new exercise program will make your body have greater demands for vitamins and minerals, which will increase the probability of you suffering a deficiency without supplementation. Even a slight nutrient deficiency can sabotage muscle growth. Can't we get all the nutrients we need from food alone? We cannot rely solely on food nowadays to provide us with all the vitamins and minerals that our body needs because the processing of foods before they get to the supermarket, cooking, air, and even light have already robbed your foods of most of the vitamins that they have to offer. If you are deficient in one or more nutrients your body may not be able to build muscle and burn fat properly.

Not all bodybuilding supplements are created equal though. Some your body always needs, others are more dependent upon what your goals are and what your budget looks like.

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Added on November 6, 2009, 9:35 pmWelcome to the club!

This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 6 2009, 09:35 PM

Nobody ask you to buy in supermarket or to buy processed food. Go to wet market if you want, if you want result it's not a problem getting earlier to buy you foods. Buy supply for 1 week, you can do it on saturdays or sundays too. In short EAT MORE NATURAL FOODS.



negro coal miners don't get to eat very good meals but their muscles are RIPPPPPPPPPED

not everyone needs supplement. it's mainly for those who-
can't eat big meals
reaching plateau
seeking faster result
etc etc

supplement is just another marketing strategy of bodybuilding companies.

there was a time when people buy car. it was about getting from point A to point B. but then companies realize some people want FAST CAR, some people want BIG PASSENGER COMPARTMENT, some people wants TO CARRY GOODS, some people wants TO DRIVE IN ROUGH TERRAIN.

and so...you have sports car...vans....mpv....suv....lorry....pickup...jeep....so on.
it's a marketing strategy of providing customer what they want.

it applies in bodybuilding too! you could do countless of exercises with just barbell, dumbbells, plates and benches...but then some people wants larger back so here comes the lat machine some people wants larger biceps so here comes this machine that machine and all those craps...

if you really want good result
1 do your exercise wisely
2 eat wisely
3 rest wisely
4 do everything wisely

you really can't depend on whey alone for example.
there's many kinds of protein and whey can't provide all of them. your body will get less effect from protein if you eat the same kind over and over and over again.
gain your protein intake from broad source of foods.

it's been like 3 weeks of training in gym for me and seems like i'm better than you. you have to learn! don't know anything? GOOGLE IT....
please don't cry here
NOT SHOWING OFF, DON'T FLAME ME

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Added on November 6, 2009, 10:08 pmone more thing.
bodybuilding works your brain more than on your muscles

This post has been edited by Apple_Wannabe: Nov 6 2009, 10:08 PM

@ apple

seriously he won't take your word.
i hope budak84 is here

why? budak is good in physcology? ^^

good ?? he's the best !!

hahahhaha....

bro,suplements is supllements
eat raw food..high protein food...
some of this guy have been there,done that....sometime just accept some advise and consider it...

nothing beats real food

and ken86 is almost as ripped as hell..and u didnt believe him??hehehehheeh...u asked for rip and lean...ken is the one u should ask la wey....

This post has been edited by reddice: Nov 7 2009, 12:00 AM

WOW!!! big talking. pro!!

chill out dude...PMS ?? LOL

everyone has right to their own opinion...talking big like that didn't make you any better than him...

eh? i tot eat protein powder, carb shakes, all the micro nutrients in pills and not having to eat normal food can make u big and ripped wat?
Just take 100% supplements lah... can wan...

i'm not better than him because i'm pro but because he's retarded.
people who don't learn won't improved, people who can't accept hardcore comments are meant to fail.
my life works this way. no improvement=no progress=wasting time=wasting life
bodybuilding can bring about many improvements, not only muscles

chill out dude...PMS ?? LOL

everyone has right to their own opinion...talking big like that didn't make you any better than him...

nice comment, accepted ^^

This post has been edited by Apple_Wannabe: Nov 7 2009, 12:31 PM

Supplement meant to be used together with a well balanced diet and hardcore training routine.
And i don't deny what ken86 said because it's true.
The problem is he think i depend solely on Pro Complex without having diet.
This is happen when people wanna show off. They didn't wanna understand why i'm creating this topic.
It's good if ken86 can share his stack of supplement rather than show off.

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Added on November 7, 2009, 6:28 pmI encounter many dumb statement like this. And yet their trying show off without having realize they are dumb.

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Added on November 7, 2009, 6:33 pmYeah i can see that you making tremendous EGO improvement.
I think in one week, surely you ego get bigger and strongger and you will reach egomaniac in no time.


This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 7 2009, 06:33 PM

Best supplement ever:

LYN H&F is already a flame warzone... In the end, if it works for you, gives you good progress, do it. Otherwise, scrap what you are doing and try something else that will give you results.

Seeing either overweight or scrawny peeps without any good progress after maybe a year or two at bodybuilding flame one another continuously because of some slight disagreement sickens and frightens people away. In the end its the results that matter, are you growing or not, are you achieving your goals? Not typing behind a screen. Things doesn't work the same for everyone, people have different genetics. If a person takes more supplements than real food and has progress, let him be, and vice versa.

Peace. Lift hard.

cool cool..nothing to fight about...

yup bro...i agreed Supplement meant to be used together with a well balanced diet and hardcore training routine....

chill

p/s : lift hard and dont give up!!!

This post has been edited by reddice: Nov 7 2009, 08:38 PM

I'm strongly agree with you.
I choose to staple supplementation in my program with proper training and diet. but there are people here who never try supplementation become arrogant and didn't accept the way I'm try to progress.

I don't know what went wrong to their attitude. I open this topic to find out the suitable supplementation, perhaps who ever use supplementation can share their experience and give some review so we don't have to listen to the marketing hype.
But these people (who never try supplementation) become fanatic to their diet only start bashing people who is using supplement like their way is the only way. They went crazy!!!

Now I'm applying coping skill number one: total avoidance.
They can continue to say nothing if they agree