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post Jan 11 2011, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 11 2011, 02:03 PM)
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=..._medium=twitter
hmm i wonder what will the implications be. hmm.gif
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Small town doctors will never be affected as their fees are well below the big town norms. Moreover, the regulatory bodies are presided by big shots.


I personally feel the crux of the complaints are the exorbitant hospital charges and not so much of the doctors' fees.

But then, this is also a supply-demand situation. How can you regulate but to let market forces determine?
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post Jan 29 2011, 09:23 AM

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News from Today 29th Jan:

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Saturday January 29, 2011

Malaysian embassy on standby to evacuate students should situation deteriorate in Egypt


PETALING JAYA: All 11,390 Malaysian students in Egypt, currently rocked by nationwide protests, are safe.

Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Khaled Nordin said the ministry had so far not received any report of untoward incidents involving Malaysian students.

“We have released advisories through our webpage. Students have been warned to avoid crisis areas. We will not hesitate to provide additional support,” he said yesterday.

Education Malaysia, formerly known as the Malaysian Students Deparment, in Egypt had issued an advisory to students via its website on Jan 26.

The students are currently enrolled in medical and Islamic studies programmes in various higher education institutions in Egypt.

Khaled said an operations room had been set up at the Malaysian embassy in Cairo to cater to the students.

Protesters in Egypt had been staging mass street demonstrations since Tuesday, calling for President Hosni Mubarak to step down and end his three-decade rule of the country.

In advance of the widespread protests planned for yesterday, it was reported that the Internet and mobile phone services had been shut down by Egyptian authorities.

Deputy Foreign Minister A. Kohilan Pillay said the embassy’s evacuation committee was on standby to bring the students back if the situation deteriorated to the “red level”, categorised as critical, during which Malaysians should not even visit the country.


Full text: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...8177&sec=nation
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post Jan 29 2011, 12:08 PM

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Does that mean that the students will be re-allocated to malaysian ITPS just like what happened in indon 2 years back?
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post Jan 29 2011, 12:17 PM

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Most probably. Malaysian IPTS would be most happy to take them in.
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post Jan 29 2011, 05:05 PM

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anyone here do have any more info about usm-kle ie. the environment, the classes been conducted there an such...

i get the offer but dunno much about it. tyvm smile.gif
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post Jan 29 2011, 05:31 PM

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hi what course you got? if it's medicine, go for it unless you are planning to work in spore, in which case you should pray to get UM/UKM. : )

if you know chinese, this guy graduated from USM medicine.
http://hookheeliam.blogspot.com/
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post Jan 29 2011, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(jyu_bonk @ Jan 29 2011, 05:05 PM)
anyone here do have any more info about usm-kle ie. the environment, the classes been conducted there an such...

i get the offer but dunno much about it. tyvm smile.gif
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Take the offer.

You will be studying in Northern Karnataka, India, there is a lot of Malaysians studying there at the moment.
There is one fellow in Lowyat studying there, he doesn't hang around education essentials but you can message him if you want to know more:

http://forum.lowyat.net/user/tjinn

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1709095&hl=

I can tell you a bit about India or Karnataka in general, just browse through the following (taken from another thread), you can read what is relevant (except MSU-IMS part):

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post Jan 29 2011, 11:31 PM

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Medical students are performing intrusive exams on unconscious patients

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/medical-st...1#ixzz1CRGCJKcV

AUSTRALIAN medical students are carrying out intrusive procedures on unconscious and anaesthetised patients without gaining the patient's consent.

The unauthorised examinations include genital, rectal and breast exams, and raise serious questions about the ethics of up-and-coming doctors, Madison reports.

The research, soon to be published in international medical journal, Medical Education, describes - among others - a student with "no qualms" about performing an anal examination on a female patient because she didn't think the woman's consent was relevant.

Another case outlined in the research describes a man who was subjected to rectal examinations from a "queue" of medical students after he was anaesthetised for surgery.

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“I was in theatre, the patient was under a spinal (anaesthetic) as well and there was a screen up and they just had a queue of medical students doing a rectal examination,” a student confessed.

“[H]e wasn’t consented but because ... you’re in that situation, you don’t have the confidence to say 'no' you just do it.”

The author of the study, Professor Charlotte Rees, voiced concerns about senior medical staff ordering students to perform unauthorised procedures, leaving the students torn between the strong ethics of consent in society and the weak ethics of medical staff.

Of students who were put in this position during the research, 82 per cent obeyed orders.

“We think that it is weakness in the ethical climate of the clinical workplace that ultimately serves to legitimise and reinforce unethical practices in the context of students learning intimate examinations,” writes Prof Rees.

The study consists of 200 students across three unnamed medical schools in Britain and Australia. Not all participants agreed to carry out the intimate examinations without permission from the patient.

One student refused to take part in an examination of a woman who was “part spread-eagled on the bed and the nurse is (sic) pulling down her jeans at the same time and it was all very complicated and you could see her, she was about seventeen”.

Carol Bennett, the CEO of the Consumer Health Forum, said the report was a "poor reflection on these medical schools that they are setting these examples".

"Most people would not be pleased about having medical procedures performed on them without it even being mentioned to them," she told news.com.au.

"Patients should never be examined without consent, particularly by a third party."

Comment is being sought from the Australian Medical Association.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/medical-st...1#ixzz1CRGH2cld

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the more developed a society is, the less opportunities the medical students get to learn.
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post Jan 30 2011, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Jan 30 2011, 12:17 AM)
the more developed a society is, the less opportunities the medical students get to learn.
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Send them to not so developed / poor countries then for their clinical training~ brows.gif
2 Years pre-clinical @ developed countries + 3 Years clinical @ underdeveloped countries..~

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post Jan 30 2011, 07:27 PM

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" To gain full GMC registration as a holder of a UK primary
medical qualification NUMed graduates would need to
complete a programme for provisionally registered
doctors and be awarded a Certificate of Experience. At
present, the only recognised programme for provisionally
registered doctors is the first year of the foundation
programme (F1) provided by the postgraduate deaneries
of the UK. Applicants from outside the UK and EU should
note, that as NUMed graduates, you will potentially not be
able to complete the first year of foundation training in
the UK leading to full registration, as under prevailing UK
immigration rules you may not be able to get a work
permit. "
Does anyone know what does that statements means? From the NUMed Leaflets?
And where do you guys suggest to study medical? Financially around 500k..
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post Jan 30 2011, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jan 30 2011, 07:27 PM)
" To gain full GMC registration as a holder of a UK primary
medical qualification NUMed graduates would need to
complete a programme for provisionally registered
doctors and be awarded a Certificate of Experience. At
present, the only recognised programme for provisionally
registered doctors is the first year of the foundation
programme (F1) provided by the postgraduate deaneries
of the UK. Applicants from outside the UK and EU should
note, that as NUMed graduates, you will potentially not be
able to complete the first year of foundation training in
the UK leading to full registration, as under prevailing UK
immigration rules you may not be able to get a work
permit. "
Does anyone know what does that statements means? From the NUMed Leaflets?
And where do you guys suggest to study medical? Financially around 500k..
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RM500K ?

Try this:

http://www.manipal.edu/InternationalStuden...sesOffered.aspx
http://www.manipal.edu/InternationalStuden...erGraduate.aspx (USD 162,300)


otherwise locally (or twinning): http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=889461&hl=


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post Jan 30 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jan 30 2011, 07:27 PM)
" To gain full GMC registration as a holder of a UK primary
medical qualification NUMed graduates would need to
complete a programme for provisionally registered
doctors and be awarded a Certificate of Experience. At
present, the only recognised programme for provisionally
registered doctors is the first year of the foundation
programme (F1) provided by the postgraduate deaneries
of the UK. Applicants from outside the UK and EU should
note, that as NUMed graduates, you will potentially not be
able to complete the first year of foundation training in
the UK leading to full registration, as under prevailing UK
immigration rules you may not be able to get a work
permit. "
Does anyone know what does that statements means? From the NUMed Leaflets?
And where do you guys suggest to study medical? Financially around 500k..
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Correct me if I am wrong.

I think what it says was, even if NUMed would like to help you get registered with GMC, the UK government would not allow it by refusing to give you work permit. Without work permit, you can not work and hence get registered.

It's almost like. I would like to help get rich so tell you to go into any bank and just take all the money you ever wanted, but unfortunately, the police would not allow it. So whatever I say is now meaningless. Ditto NUMed.
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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jan 30 2011, 07:27 PM)
" To gain full GMC registration as a holder of a UK primary
medical qualification NUMed graduates would need to
complete a programme for provisionally registered
doctors and be awarded a Certificate of Experience. At
present, the only recognised programme for provisionally
registered doctors is the first year of the foundation
programme (F1) provided by the postgraduate deaneries
of the UK. Applicants from outside the UK and EU should
note, that as NUMed graduates, you will potentially not be
able to complete the first year of foundation training in
the UK leading to full registration, as under prevailing UK
immigration rules you may not be able to get a work
permit. "
Does anyone know what does that statements means? From the NUMed Leaflets?
And where do you guys suggest to study medical? Financially around 500k..
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simple.....

means that while the degree is recognised by gmc, to gain full registration, one needs to complete the 1st year of the 2 year foundation in the uk.....

the same rule exist for msia......even if your degree is recognised, you need to fulfil the housemanship year to get full registration.....

the only difference is, while msia recognises housemanship done in some countries (uk and oz included), the uk does NOT recognise housemanship done outside of the british isles......

therefore, to get full registration with gmc, you will NEED to do the fy1 in uk......and you CAN, as far as the gmc is concerned......

BUT, under current laws, the bba (british border agency, or formerly immigrations) says you CANNOT, as a foreigner..........unless you can get one of the tier 1 or tier 2 visas.......

tier 1 and 2?......to know more, go to bba website........generally, a fresh graduate from without the british isles will not qualify for these visas.......

ie, it's the same as the monash msia mbbs.......you have NO automatic right to work in these countries even if your degree is fully recognised.....

bottom line:......qualification recognition and right to work are two completely separate matters........something which many people do not realise.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 30 2011, 11:44 PM)
simple.....

means that while the degree is recognised by gmc, to gain full registration, one needs to complete the 1st year of the 2 year foundation in the uk.....

the same rule exist for msia......even if your degree is recognised, you need to fulfil the housemanship year to get full registration.....

the only difference is, while msia recognises housemanship done in some countries (uk and oz included), the uk does NOT recognise housemanship done outside of the british isles......

therefore, to get full registration with gmc, you will NEED to do the fy1 in uk......and you CAN, as far as the gmc is concerned......

BUT, under current laws, the bba (british border agency, or formerly immigrations) says you CANNOT, as a foreigner..........unless you can get one of the tier 1 or tier 2 visas.......

tier 1 and 2?......to know more, go to bba website........generally, a fresh graduate from without the british isles will not qualify for these visas.......

ie, it's the same as the monash msia mbbs.......you have NO automatic right to work in these countries even if your degree is fully recognised.....

bottom line:......qualification recognition and right to work are two completely separate matters........something which many people do not realise.......
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Then no point study at NeMed.. You still cant work there although graduate from there.. What if do medicine directly at UK or do Twinning like IMU to UK?
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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Feb 1 2011, 09:13 PM)
Then no point study at NeMed.. You still cant work there although graduate from there.. What if do medicine directly at UK or do Twinning like IMU to UK?
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both nemed and monash msia share the same issues........

at the present pound sterling level, just go straight direct entry to a uk uni, or via imu-pms.......fees are the same if you choose the cheaper ones.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 1 2011, 09:19 PM)
both nemed and monash msia share the same issues........

at the present pound sterling level, just go straight direct entry to a uk uni, or via imu-pms.......fees are the same if you choose the cheaper ones.........
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which mean if i imu-pms to UK, i am able to work at UK? but how about the certificate degree.. izit full certification or just half half?
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will be exactly the same as those who studied there since 1st yr
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Wednesday February 2, 2011

Stranded Malaysian students in Egypt plead with Govt to fly them out

PETALING JAYA: Malaysian students in Egypt are appealing to the Government to bring them home immediately.

Malaysian-Egyptian Medical Students Association president Muhammad Husaini Saleh said the situation was getting worse and he was worried for their safety.

“I am appealing to the Malaysian Government to bring us back. Most of us are running out of cash and food.

“Those of us at the Malaysian Hall in Cairo have no problem with food but I am concerned with the rest outside Cairo,” he said last night.

Husaini said he was informed by the Malaysian embassy that a decision would be made tonight whether there was a need to bring the students home.

“I hope they will evacuate us soon,” he said, adding that the number of students seeking refuge at the hall had increased yesterday to 700 from 500.

He also said he was informed that another group from Malaysia would be arriving soon, bringing food rations.

The price of flight tickets out of Egypt has also gone up drastically, with some airlines charging double the normal price, said students there.

Cairo University medical student Tuan Mohd Akmal Hakim, who has been waiting at the Cairo Airport since four days ago, found his flight back to Kuala Lumpur cancelled yesterday in the last minute.

“I am trying to find flight tickets from other airlines to fly back but according to airport officials, long international flights have been cancelled until Feb 6,” he said.

Currently, there are 11,319 Malaysian students registered with the Malaysian Embassy in Egypt.

Mohd Akmal said that food could be bought at the airport but shops closed at 4pm because of the curfew.

“We can make and receive phone calls, but the Internet is still down,” Mohd Akmal said.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2832&sec=nation





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Wednesday February 2, 2011

Students to be evacuated out to Jeddah first, says PM

KUALA LUMPUR: The government has issued a directive to bring Malaysian students by air or sea out of Egypt due to the worsening anti-government uprising in that country.

“Some immediate measures will be taken to bring the students out of Egypt,” Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak told Bernama.

He said the government would bring the students out to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and to temporarily house them at the Tabung Haji Centre there until flights were available for them to return to Malaysia.

“The government has communicated with the Saudi Arabian government for our students to be allowed to be brought in to Jeddah.”

Najib said the government would provide more information on the matter to the students and their parents today.

So far, 11,319 students had registered with the Malaysian embassy in Cairo.

Najib said the decision was made after receiving a report on the situation in Egypt from the Malaysian delegation led by Deputy Foreign Minister A. Kohilan Pillay and the prime minister’s political secretary Datuk Sahlan Ismail.

Kohilan said AirAsia and Malaysia Airlines will be flying the students to Jeddah by today in addition to two Royal Malaysian Air Force C-130 transport aircraft.

“We have facilities in Jeddah to house the students until the situation changes. We will not bring all of them back to Malaysia because there are just too many of them,” he added.

An alternative measure for evacuation is to get the Bunga Mas 5, a container ship guarded by a Royal Malaysian Navy vessel in the Gulf of Aden, to sail to Adabiya port, south of Cairo, to ferry the students out of Egypt.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0690&sec=nation




such is the fate of students studying abroad~ one moment all is fine, the other moment chaos~

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such is the fate of students studying abroad~ one moment all is fine, the other moment chaos~
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This is why when you people went overseas to study, make sure you register yourself with the Malaysian embassy etc. This is for your own good.


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