as you can see, all the problems of 30 years ago is now compounded many times over.....

fyi, the last recognised batch graduated in 1989......no remedial action was taken after the gmc review of 84, and the last intake recognised was the class of 84/89.......

yeah all the problems actually sound familiar because theyre probs which you and several others have mentioned many times before. and if i read between the lines correctly, the article implied a certain economic policy as one of the causes. am i hallucinating? lol

i wonder did anyone (ministers, MOHE, MMC) pay any attention to that matter 30 yrs ago....did it become a big issue? limeuu and any old timers here , time for a walk down memory lane
however a deputy minister claimed the derecognition is due to EU policies

and if im not mistaken, deducting from the article i posted earlier, there was a period of time when students had to study medicine in BM ? i'm not saying BM is an inferior language , in fact theres nothing wrong with it. but the problem is : how do they get the resources (books , reference materials) in BM?

must have been hard on them , having to consult bilingual dictionaries all the time. oh well, after all japanese students also study med in their native language.

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Sep 2 2011, 01:42 AM

there is no need to beat about the bush.....the reason why gmc derecognised the um degree was the intake policy was diluting the standards......because of the nep......

the article did also implied this....basically, by the late 70's, there was a quota, and 60% of places was reserved for malays, who enter not through hsc (former stpm) but through asasi sains (similar to matrik), from mce (former spm)......people with results like DEE in hsc was taken into asasi sains for a year and then given a place in edicine.....

for a while, they attempted to conduct the course in bm......some text books were translated, and lecture notes were in malay.....lecturers were forced to conduct lectures and tutorials in malay.....it didn't last very long, as it was very difficult, text books new editions came out in a few years, it was impossible to keep the translations up.....

another concern the gmc voiced was the was academic staff was appointed, there was shortage, but more pointedly, many junior staffs were appointed to senior positions over much more senior staffs.....the founder dean tj danaraj fought this practice hard, and eventually resigned in protest......and went on to saudi arabia to found another med school.....

as you can see.......nothing has changed the last 30 years.....if anything, things has grown worse......

the creeping mediocrity then was of great concern......

mediocrity is now the norm.....few appears perturbed at how mediocre med schools are in msia.....

A group of medical researchers led by one from AIMST had indicated that they have found a likely treatment for dengue from papaya leaves and this was immediately rebutted by another lecturer from UM who said this was only tested on mice and not humans and asked whether such results could be reproducible.

Isn't such a claim dangerous as this so-called treatment was not effectively proven.

Talking about mediocrity, this is it!

didn't know rates get dengue fever?......

Didn't know the situation in Malaysia is this bad... I always thought that the IPTAs are at least better or on par with some of the first world med schools. The shortage of lecturers is a huge problem if you ask me. Hence, an influx of lecturers from all around the world (but hey! we love the multiculturalism don't we? *grin*)

Just makes no sense: there's a shortage of lecturers, and yet med schools are blooming like mad. it's really a sad sight.

that's whyive been asking around how do IPTA grads fare. if the uni standards deteriorating but grads are still highly competent then it's fine.

isn't that a contradiction in itself?........

UM and UKM graduates will still stand out for those admitted on merit. Hopefully, IMU and Monash can show the way for the IPTS.

Your uni standards mean???

Isn't that what clinical trials are for? Most treatments usually start with lab based/mice studies after all. I don't see any harm in calling it a LIKELY treatment.

it is misleading because the study shows an increase in platelets....nothing to do with dengue.....

if you do not know what i am talking about, go google dengue and learn how dengue kills.......

As far as i know, platelet count has minimal role in predicting dengue outcome. Its the leaky capillary that causes all the problem. Fluid loss to 3rd spaces, and haemoconcentration that kills.

Leaky capillary leads to increased platelet leakage which leads to suspected dengue, no?

If platelet count back to normal, it also indicates dengue has subsided, no?

This post has been edited by zstan: Sep 7 2011, 10:44 PM

go read and understand surrogate markers....

MBBS, University of Tasmania - opinions and comments please.

i presume you have an offer?....what's the conditions?.....

onelove is studying there, so he should be able to tell you everything.......

Standard conditions - meeting minimum academic requirements, police checks etc. Will ask onelove, thanks. It"s Tasmania though...haha.

what's the minimum they want?

As per website, ATAR 95. Not sure about ISAT scores. Am still hoping to remain on the Big Island...