Tats speed training, V called it Intervals. i used to do it when i was a lot younger trying to achieve a PB for marathon. Not anymore now.

yeah i know about the intervals thingy haha.
but he did it at a really extreme pace.

I saw the other UPM runners doing intervals since the last couple of times I was there. but this guy just really pushed it. Madness...

I mean really really fast. He's definitely a UPM runner.

This post has been edited by strinq: Oct 27 2009, 09:14 PM

Wrong person. More like.. 38minute

Important important to at least bring own water. No 7-eleven to buy drinks from .

I read some runners drank water inside sponge bucket.

Euw

haha, actually was talking about euphoria.
She runs 5km in 18 minutes. Respect.

Good point SydG..
Yes, when u first run a half marathon or any distance actually which you may feel uncomfy... u shud bring your own water

Ah

18 minutes of course no need water. Try 1 hour 40 minutes

Yes, food and supplement for recovery actually differs on individuals, gender, how much work out etc. Everything differs on individuals. Yea, I understand that

Yes. Runners do not equate to swimmers and swimmers do not equate to runners. Wanted to do triathlon once I phailed cuz no1 teman me

power = improve performance
help you complete the race = power
if no gel = can't complete the race?? No I never think that the gel can actually help to run faster, that wud be foolish. Boost of confidence, yea.

Ok you got me there. I was asked to join 10km runs and 15km. But didn't go in the end.

Yea I know what it means. But seriously, don't tell me you believe power gel can actually let you run non stop 42km if u take it. If u don't you can't even past the 5km mark. I am saying that power gel is actually good for recovery after certain work outs or competition, not during.

In bodybuilding I don't know where to start so I replied the posts that I can reply.

No I don't pump irons. Often. I do hit the gym once/twice per week as it is required for workout for competitions. Whatever you wanna say.

I tried once, 1 hour 30 mins w/o water, running non stop for training in a hot weather with no shades. I was fine untill I stopped for 5 mins or so, I consume water. I took the wrong choice. I should not consume water untill after I cooled down. I got giddiness after the water went down my throat. I tried ice water. Doesn't work. In the end I need to cool down by running around the field to get rid of that.

Oh my...
If you actually read about long distance running it would help.
Those bars just provide your body with quick energy to allow you to continue running.
It's simple mathematics actually.
3-4 hours of running = ~1600 (varies) calories used.
Most human bodies doesn't have that much stored energy to burn hence the use of those bars. They allow our bodies to replenish the energy lost.

Of course there are people who don't need it but they are an extremely rare bunch.

And why are you stating again and again that the powerbars don't help when world champions and professional runners use them?

And nobody stated here that the bars will help a person who cannot run the race to actually finish the race.
And nobody said that without the gels a person cannot complete the race.
They are a help in completing the race at better timing and allows the user to not overburden the body. In simpler words, they simply just give you more energy.
Also, if you actually read up on this, those bars/gels are digested fast which releases quick energy to the body.

It's like me saying, you go run a race after a day of fasting.
And if u cannot can I state this: Eh why cannot? No food means cannot finish a race ah?
And if you can finish the race then I'll ask this: Wouldn't eating help you finish the race easier?

Sounds really silly doesn't it?

About you running 1 1/2 hrs without water, cool, you can do it and am different from everyone else. And if you believe that it should apply to everyone, I just want to ask one thing, give me any link to any website saying that a person shouldn't drink in long races.
Do you know why people die in long races? Dehydration.

*This is embarrassing but I actually ran the 5k in 25min 13sec lol. Not 20 min. No wonder I was wondering why it's possible. Miscalculated...paiseh..
but still a 1 min improvement is not bad.
If I can improve 1 min every week it'd be awesome but I'm a realist, it'll be crazy difficult.

This post has been edited by strinq: Oct 28 2009, 12:25 AM

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Power gel and food is different, it cannot be compared.

Yeah I know. No I didn't think it should be applied to EVERYONE. I think it should be applied to those who are good. But still I think hours that long should drink water to prevent dehydration.

Its good indeed, you're working hard Keep it up soon, you shall be 15mins for 5 KM

This post has been edited by euphoria88: Oct 28 2009, 12:40 AM

Read the posts before I stated that they use them. Look at the scientific side.


It's a comparison stating that food provides energy, so do powergels.
Powergels are also food. Powergels are foods that release energy faster than normal foods.
So it just makes sense that if food gives you energy, the gels do too.
And since they release energy faster, you can use that energy in your running.
And again, read about the whole calories needed thing.

powergel is not food sigh.
I can't debate anymore I'm so tired after whole night training

Hmm, then how do you define something that goes into your stomach and is broken down to provide energy and other nutrients?

Ok, you might argue that its not food per se but it definitely is a source of energy like food.

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Added on October 28, 2009, 1:04 amAnyways, a good article:

The Human Body is Built for Distance

This post has been edited by strinq: Oct 28 2009, 01:05 AM

I was at the UPM track today to try out my new spikes. I really loved it. Just felt like I was floating. I did intervals today, 1 x 2 miles (8 laps), 2 x 800m & 1 x 400m. I felt a slight pull in my left calf muscle, but after warming up, it felt better. But it came back after I finished training. Hopefully I can recover soon enuff before my race this Sunday. There were some runners on the track today. I'ma go there again on Thursday, but it depends on my leg's conditions la. But I was really happy with the spikes.

Seemed like we have a discussion about feeding here. The thing is, if U use a product other than it's designed for, U won't get the benefits & if U go around telling ppl in doesn't work, then it's worse la. Powergels I believe, is designed to REFUEL, not to recover. That's why it's in gel form, to enable Ur body to absorb it faster. Powerbar has other products designed for recovery. In recent years, becoz of the variety of products that they have, Powerbar has classify their products into 3 categories : Energize, Refuel & Recovery. I bought some Powergels when I was collecting my racepack for Mizuno, the salesperson promoted one of the bars from the Energize category. She said that U dun need to eat breakfast, just eat the bar & it can last for 8 hrs. I just laughed in my heart la. I dun think ANY food can last U 8 hours. Maybe can if U just eat it & go to sleep.

Powerbar was one of the 1st sports-specific energy bars around, it's been around when I was cycling back in 1991-2000 (state & national). Back then, becoz I got no money to buy & Powerbars are not available as widely & as easily as recent times, I used Cloud 9 chocolate bars as my feeding. In cycling (& also in running I believe), the general rule is to feed every one hour. Heck, I even used Cloud 9s during races. The trick is to use stuff that works for U & tastes good, so that U will eat enuff of it. For cycling it was easy to feed & U can still consume solid food. But for running, U need something like a gel la. For swimming, I dunno if U can feed during swimming, I've never seen Ironman swimmers feed during the swimming leg of a race.

Another cheap solution U can try is Choki-choki. It may sound funny, but I relied on those to get me thru 7-8 hours of trekking in thick forest. It's cheap (30 sen each I think), it can last an hour (at least for me), & it's packed in small tubes & U can carry a lot of it. It's in paste form, so U can absorb it quickly & it tastes good.

Resting heart rate. Miguel Indurain (5-time Tour de France winner) had the lowest resting heart rate that I know of : 28 bpm. That's like one beat every 3 seconds. His VO2 max was 80+ liters. Back in those years, that was considered superhuman edi. My resting heart rate these days is about 50 bpm.

This post has been edited by tenno: Oct 28 2009, 10:10 AM

@tenno
Thanks for the tips. I think I'd want to bring Choki Choki whilst climbing Kinabalu next year

Seems like im abit late to catch the train... did i got miss out anything?

btw, why do u need power gel for 6km run?

anyways, welcome to runners thread....

yeah..21km, and try to hit 2hr 10mins. with helps of 1 / 2 power gels.

sprint on hill is another good training to improve ur speed and also uphill... really salute ronnie them sprint from deer park mid turning point to the gate for 5 times.

eh, ccube, what time were u there? i was there bout 6-7.

run long distance is not just about dehydration alone, but also other things too.

have you heard of the term: "Hit the Wall" ? if you are into long distance run, you will know the meaning of the term.

hey there...yeah ill be going for the 42km Marathon in Singapore...but im from Penang,


just came back after the TNF 50KM duo, gosh legs are in a world of pain, never knew trail running can be fun yet so challenging, Ccube taikor! ran 50KM my gawd i dont know howd u managed to do it man...superman

my next runs are Penang Bridge 21KM and Singapore Mara hope to do better than my previous time of 4:57 for Sundown

good to see so many posts

hi triple02~ Yeah, Im also running Penang 21k ang Singapore 42k. 50kmtrail running?Wow, I wish I could do that too.

It was me who was at the UPM track yesterday. I saw only one guy wearing Saucony. Were U wearing red sleeveless & red shorts ? U wear specs right ? I think I saw U while I was warming down. I was the Malay guy with red vest & blue tights, I had my calf guard on both legs.