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post Jun 26 2009, 03:37 PM, updated 11y ago

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It's time to have our own blu-ray movies section under Home Entertainment since a lot of us moved on from PS3 to dedicated blu-ray player.

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Blu-ray Disc info

Movie Reviews

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html


Picture Quality/PQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316


Audio Quality/AQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918734


BD Region Code info

http://bluray.liesinc.net/index.php?region=a


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REGION A

REGION B

REGION C


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post Jun 26 2009, 03:41 PM

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Good! I sarport very much this topic very very much! Don't have to poke into gaming section for inform. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jun 26 2009, 03:47 PM

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Wooot, nice!! And I can skip console crouch thread for now biggrin.gif
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Good move....

Will definitely buy Terminator Salvation and Transformers : Revenge of the Fallen BD.


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post Jun 26 2009, 03:54 PM

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My must buy list:-

Transformer 2
Terminator 4
FNF 4
Underworld 3
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post Jun 26 2009, 03:55 PM

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I miss those times when we have 10 pages a day "discussion".
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post Jun 26 2009, 03:56 PM

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Best version of movies with multiple releases :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....80#post14737480
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post Jun 26 2009, 06:24 PM

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Can I start by asking why HD movies sometimes appear 'grainy'? Shouldn't it be crystal clear?
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post Jun 26 2009, 06:48 PM

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wahh..new home.
then what happen to the old thread?
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post Jun 26 2009, 07:03 PM

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Nicely done!
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post Jun 26 2009, 09:54 PM

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Finally. A proper place to discuss. Let's keep this thread clean and focused. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 26 2009, 10:07 PM

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But I prefer the old one as it was pinned.

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post Jun 27 2009, 09:17 AM

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reporting in .... gonna to watch abit of TAKEN again this weekend


wanto test after AUDISI setup biggrin.gif

btw, the knowing BD got 5/5 PQ and SQ
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 27 2009, 09:17 AM)
reporting in .... gonna to watch abit of TAKEN again this weekend
wanto test after AUDISI setup biggrin.gif

btw, the knowing BD got 5/5 PQ and SQ
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Amazon Gold Box - Ocean's Trilogy

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/?tag=bluraynews-20


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post Jun 27 2009, 01:23 PM

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what's good movie to start with? any recommendation? 5 titles should be enuf i think to begin with.....
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 27 2009, 01:23 PM)
what's good movie to start with? any recommendation? 5 titles should be enuf i think to begin with.....
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Someones finally getting a BD player! thumbup.gif

My "5 Movie Starter Pack" would be:
1. Transformers
2. The Incredible Hulk
3. Iron Man
4. Kungfu Panda
5. One concert title depending on your taste (Dave Matthews, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, David Foster, Take That)
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 27 2009, 01:23 PM)
what's good movie to start with? any recommendation? 5 titles should be enuf i think to begin with.....
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Don't forget Star Trek. Colorful, nice sound effect. Perfect for you BD system.
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Haha..

I am goin to go off de beaten path here ( not de normal boom boom bang bang..) n recommend

1. Benjamin Button - Beautiful luv story wif great pics n works de sub in a coupla scenes too

2. Slumdog Millionaire - Veri beautifully acted n filmed profile of livin in a Mumbai slum - its got a beautiful upliftin story too. A Rahmans soundtrack is sub heaven..

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 27 2009, 01:23 PM)
what's good movie to start with? any recommendation? 5 titles should be enuf i think to begin with.....
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For me will be:

1) Dragon Tiger Gate
2) The Dark Knight
3) Kill Bill 1 (although not everyone may like it)
4) Transformers
5) Tsain Qin golden concert hall or Hacken Lee's one
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post Jun 27 2009, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 27 2009, 01:23 PM)
what's good movie to start with? any recommendation? 5 titles should be enuf i think to begin with.....
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Don't miss King Kong extended version...PQ n SQ are miles better than DVD version. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 27 2009, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 27 2009, 02:08 PM)
Don't miss King Kong extended version...PQ n SQ are miles better than DVD version. thumbup.gif
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King Kong Extended very very good! rclxms.gif But first hour.........Aiyoh! So boring lah. Almost fall asleep! blush.gif After that rclxms.gif Fuyoh! King kong fighting 2 T-rex rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

BTW anyone already bought Underworld 3??? PQ & AQ how?
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Jun 27 2009, 03:31 PM)
King Kong Extended very very good! rclxms.gif  But first hour.........Aiyoh! So boring lah. Almost fall asleep! blush.gif After that  rclxms.gif  Fuyoh! King kong fighting 2 T-rex  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

BTW anyone already bought Underworld 3??? PQ & AQ how?
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Underworld 3, ok ok only, nothing special..
but all in dark scene
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post Jun 28 2009, 03:24 AM

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ghosbuster out already??
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post Jun 28 2009, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(the jazzman @ Jun 28 2009, 03:24 AM)
ghosbuster out already??
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go get it...
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post Jun 28 2009, 09:04 AM

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king kong hour 2 onward is very nice biggrin.gif

oh ya .... if u watch Valkyrie BD

the opening machine gun fighting scenes and bombing

walao.... HM got a shock and she tot it is almost like real laugh.gif
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Die Hard 4= The early part which Bruce Willis save the computer hacker, very nice SQ.... thumbup.gif
Transformers= The part which the girl scream while the robot jump over her.... this one will shake all the street if u push ur bass to MAX. tongue.gif

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post Jun 28 2009, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(the jazzman @ Jun 28 2009, 03:24 AM)
ghosbuster out already??
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Ghosbuster? The old Ghostbuster?
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 28 2009, 10:13 AM)
Ghosbuster? The old Ghostbuster?
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Yalah... where got new Ghostbuster movie now...... smile.gif
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QUOTE(nakata101 @ Jun 28 2009, 09:20 AM)
Die Hard 4= The early part which Bruce Willis save the computer hacker, very nice SQ....  thumbup.gif
Transformers= The part which the girl scream while the robot jump over her.... this one will shake all the street if u push ur bass to MAX.  tongue.gif
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Yes! This is the part which will show u how good ur sub is! Good sub will vibrate ur floor! Bad sub just 'parrrr parrrr' only! tongue.gif Ur sub must be very very good! Fuyoh! Even the street outside also shake! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Jun 28 2009, 12:41 PM)
Yes! This is the part which will show u how good ur sub is! Good sub will vibrate ur floor! Bad sub just 'parrrr parrrr' only! tongue.gif  Ur sub must be very very good! Fuyoh! Even the street outside also shake! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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LOL... figuration only lah... my sub still cant reach all street, but have to said sry to my neighborhood suddenly their aquarium shaking.... hope their fish still alive.
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 28 2009, 09:04 AM)
king kong hour 2 onward is very nice biggrin.gif

oh ya .... if u watch Valkyrie BD

the opening machine gun fighting scenes and bombing

walao.... HM got a shock and she tot it is almost like real laugh.gif
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Once you changed your current speakers to Dynaudio hor, I bet your HM will dive for cover laugh.gif

We ll bring popcorn and beers to your pad to enjoy.

Valkyrie BD ok ah? hmm.gif
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post Jun 28 2009, 03:43 PM

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just finished watching the old 1989 Batman (Michael Keaton) on BD....PQ a bit better than SD DVD, SQ ok lar....dialog are clear & sharp but the surround not very good....

also, rewatched Bolt this morning, BD.iso, 1st time using dts-ma bitstream to watch, fuyoh...the 1st few scene are super demo PQ/Aq for your HT, the LFE are strong and surround works wonderfully....can watch many many times just to enjoy the sound.....
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Cannot wait to buy Braveheart and Gladiator BD...


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Gladiator BD only out in Sept....bet there'll be a long list of ppl ordering from the regular LYN BD sellers, myself included.

This is a good site to know abt BD titles http://www.blu-ray.com/

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i got my ghostbuster bd yesterday...along with the ps3 game....for 10euro..muahahaha...well this was in exchange with 2 old ps3 games..needed to rid some games.
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Yes. Bolt the first 2 chapter bit stim is very nice ....hehe
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Jun 28 2009, 03:43 PM)
also, rewatched Bolt this morning, BD.iso, 1st time using dts-ma bitstream to watch, fuyoh...the 1st few scene are super demo PQ/Aq for your HT, the LFE are strong and surround works wonderfully....can watch many many times just to enjoy the sound.....
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i use bolt 1st chapter also to demo my system. very good bass n surround but i use dvd only la blush.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 28 2009, 07:13 PM)
i use bolt 1st chapter also to demo my system. very good bass n surround but i use dvd only la blush.gif
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is time for u to use BD this time..
then onli u know what is BD all about...
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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Jun 26 2009, 06:24 PM)
Can I start by asking why HD movies sometimes appear 'grainy'?  Shouldn't it be crystal clear?
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Why no answer to this? Or am I in wrong thread, this is only for BD Movies Titles only?

Also, are all BD Players now region free?

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1st is maybe the director's intension

2nd not all, so far we heard some can be software hack/some need hardware hack

waitng for the knowing & 12 rounds BD

the reviews are good biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 28 2009, 10:21 PM)
1st is maybe the director's intension

2nd not all, so far we heard some can be software hack/some need hardware hack

waitng for the knowing & 12 rounds BD

the reviews are good biggrin.gif
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i also waiting knowing...

12 round i waiting ur review..hahaha
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post Jun 28 2009, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Jun 28 2009, 08:55 PM)
is time for u to use BD this time..
then onli u know what is BD all about...
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actually i already did. borrowed a friend ps3 back then n tested a few movies with my system (using 663 n psb alpha at the time). pq is definitely better than dvd but the hd sound really disappoint me. maybe my expectation to high. i think that's why i lost interest in getting bd until now....but that will change soon whistling.gif very curious to c how my malaz n klip perform with hd sound
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 28 2009, 10:29 PM)
actually i already did. borrowed a friend ps3 back then n tested a few movies with my system (using 663 n psb alpha at the time). pq is definitely better than dvd but the hd sound really disappoint me. maybe my expectation to high. i think that's why i lost interest in getting bd until now....but that will change soon whistling.gif very curious to c how my malaz n klip perform with hd sound
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but now u got bit stim to ur 6003 ma.... sure sedap taukeh biggrin.gif


Added on June 28, 2009, 10:33 pmthe knowing review :
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=5350&show=review

5 bintang PQ SQ rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 28 2009, 10:29 PM)
actually i already did. borrowed a friend ps3 back then n tested a few movies with my system (using 663 n psb alpha at the time). pq is definitely better than dvd but the hd sound really disappoint me. maybe my expectation to high. i think that's why i lost interest in getting bd until now....but that will change soon whistling.gif very curious to c how my malaz n klip perform with hd sound
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new speaker..will be different..
somemore now got BD60..different story already...
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post Jun 28 2009, 10:44 PM

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i hope so...i hope so...crossing my fingers sweat.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 28 2009, 10:44 PM)
i hope so...i hope so...crossing my fingers sweat.gif
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if not happy, sell the BD and BD60 cheap cheap to me..
i willing to take all...

those title recommend by forumer wont disappoint you..
so no worry
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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Jun 28 2009, 09:10 PM)
Why no answer to this? Or am I in wrong thread, this is only for BD Movies Titles only?

Also, are all BD Players now region free?
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How good a HD or BD PQ and SQ all boils down to how much effort the owner of the material put "transfering/translating" the source material (the orginal film) to HD formats.

Take 2001 for example, alot of effort were put into transfering that to BD and the end results shows! Even some newer movie cannot compare in terms of PQ and SQ...

This is NOT a new thing. The same applies to DVD. Not all DVD are equal. But, with HD, the end product's PQ and SQ's quality are MORE apparent
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actually there is nothing wrong with grainy movie

and new release of BDs movie ( i mean new movie) normally come with excellent PQ n SQ

u wont get far away.... believe me ! smile.gif

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For 2001: A Space Odissey, it's not just efforts that gave the excellent PQ. The film was shot on a 70mm film, essentially double the resolution of the 35mm normally used today. Nowadays only IMAX format uses 70mm film, you can see the difference between IMAX and anamorphic 35mm Panavision scenes in one same movie, The Dark Knight. The documentary, Baraka also uses 70mm (using some customized camera, not IMAX) and the PQ is simply stunning, one the best PQ on BD out there (scanned at 8k resolution instead of 4k normally, and downconverted to 2k (1080p) for the BD). Predator was given the best transfer but was not cosidered as good PQ with so much grains, but that's just how the film supposed to look.

About grains, they are natural properties of the analogue film stock. Scenes shot in dark will further enhance them, even with digital cameras because of the lighting and camera ISO etc. Actually no one likes grain, but the problem is, when you remove (DNR) the grains you will also lost the details, making the PQ soft. In worst cases with to much DNR, the people will look waxy. Some digitally shot film, like Miami Vice, grains were intentionallly added digitally to give film-like and gritty image. On the other hand, Zodiac, which was also digitally shot using the same Viper camera, has very minimal grain and the PQ is just excellent.

For AQ, mostly is lossless, so it's bit-by-bit identical to the studio master. Normal Dolby Digital on DVD usually stripped to 448kbps, but the Dolby TrueHD of my Celine Dion: A New Day BD maintains 10mbps average with 24-bit/96kHz sampling. When you hear some bad lossless audio, it's the source not the format, so blame the bad sound design mixing/editing by the sound engineers.

The studio masters are usually in big PCM format. In the early days of BD, they just put the whole thing on the disc. That's why you see a lot of old titles using this format. With this, all you need is a DAC to convert to analogue and an amplifier to power the speakers. But, by putting the PCM master on the disc, a lot of space will be taken. That space can be used to maximise the bitrate of the movie itself and/or put some bonus features. This is where DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD come in.

DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD works like a ZIP tool, they losslessly compress (encode) the PCM and save a lot of space on the disc. Then it's up to the player or AV receiver to "unzip" (decode) the format to get the uncompressed PCM. If the player does the "unzipping", it will send the uncompressed PCM via HDMI to the receiver which will convert to analogue (i.e. BD60). Some players (except PS3) has it's own DAC, converting to analogue itself before sending it to receivers via the multi-channel analogue outs, very handy for older receivers without HDMI (i.e. BD80). Almost all players (except PS3) can send the DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD untouched (still "zipped", HDMI only) to the receiver, this method is called bitstream. This way the receiver will do the "unzipping", DAC, and amplify. If the receiver uses better decoding chip (PS3 uses software decoding, not hardware), you should hear some difference in the AQ.

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If they maintain to put the PCM format into the disc...I presume there's no need to buy new av amp with hd decoding..isn't life is more simple for us... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 29 2009, 08:32 AM)
If they maintain to put the PCM format into the disc...I presume there's no need to buy new av amp with hd decoding..isn't life is more simple for us... tongue.gif
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You don't need a new amp even with DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. Just get a player with multi-channel analogue outs, like BD80 or your own BD55. These players MUST have their own decoding capability in order to get the PCM, convert it to analogue (DAC) and sends out using the multi-channel analogue outs to older amps. nod.gif

Actually PCM itself on the disc can be worse for owners of PS3 or players without multi-channel outs (like BD60) conneting to older amp, because they will have to use the optical/coaxial connection that can't carry the high bitrate multi-channel PCM track (bandwidth limitation). Using optical/coaxial will downmix the multi-channel PCM track to stereo! But with DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD, inside the codec there is a backup track of normal DTS (1.5mbps) and Dolby Digital (640kbps) that will be bitstreamed to your amp via the optical/coaxial, so you'll still get multi-channel audio, only not lossless.

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Some may argue that bitstream to avr is better but I think it's quite subjective.. rolleyes.gif

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Some may argue that bitstream to avr is better but I think it's quite subjective.. rolleyes.gif
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Of course it's subjective. Some even argued that the lossy DTS/Dolby Digital audio is better than lossless. There's someone here even started a thread about it. laugh.gif

If two different machines uses different chip to decode, it's possible that you'll hear some difference, like I did when I compare between my PS3 (software internal decoding) and my receiver (hardware decoding bitstreamed from BD35). But if you use PS3, you have no choice but to let the PS3 do the decoding because it can;t bitstream.
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Thanks for all the feedback about 'grains' in pictures. Can I conclude that:-

1) 'Older' films tend to be more grainy.

2) Newer ones will have lesser grains unless intentional

3) There is no way to remove grains all together? Only minimising it?

However, I only notice 'grains' when watching HD and not at lower resolutions. Why is that? Is it because HD (ie. higher resolutions) tend to enhance 'flaws'?
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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Jun 29 2009, 12:08 PM)
Thanks for all the feedback about 'grains' in pictures.  Can I conclude that:-

1)  'Older' films tend to be more grainy.

2)  Newer ones will have lesser grains unless intentional

3)  There is no way to remove grains all together?  Only minimising it?

However, I only notice 'grains' when watching HD and not at lower resolutions.  Why is that?  Is it because HD (ie. higher resolutions) tend to enhance 'flaws'?
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1) Not really. All films shot on analogue film stock will have grains. But on 70mm film the grains will be much finer, so the grains aren't that obvious and no need to DNR (DNR will remove grains but it also removes details and sharpness).

2) Same as above. Only digitally shot film should have lesser grains (dark scenes). Majority of theatrical movies now still uses analogue film.

3) Yes you can. But like I said, it will make the PQ seems flat, soft and fleshtones looks like they're made of wax. Lowry Digital (now owned by DTS Labs) is very good job in cleaning noise (dirt, specks, etc) but they won't simply remove the grain if it compromises the PQ.

Of course, at higher resolution you'll see more details, even the grains. That's why you don't see them on DVDs. This why HD is so wonderful.

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by the way, the movie Knowing....story line...kinda crappy.


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by the way, the movie Knowing....story line...kinda crappy.
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Alex Proyas is one of my favorite director. Watched Dark City BD again yesterday. Still amazed. The director's cut is much better with the removal of the opening narration (as he originally intended), keeping the mystery even more interesting.

So I have this Knowing pre-ordered. A blind buy for me. I'll keep an open mind watching it, hopefully it will not suck.

Dark City was trashed by critics when it was theatrically released (except for Roger Ebert, he's pretty much alone at that time). Now it's a classic.
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jun 29 2009, 12:39 PM)
1) Not really. All films shot on analogue film stock will have grains. But on 70mm film the grains will be much finer, so the grains aren't that obvious and no need to DNR (DNR will remove grains but it also removes details and sharpness).

2) Same as above. Only digitally shot film should have lesser grains (dark scenes). Majority of theatrical movies now still uses analogue film.

3) Yes you can. But like I said, it will make the PQ seems flat, soft and fleshtones looks like they're made of wax. Lowry Digital (now owned by DTS Labs) is very good job in cleaning noise (dirt, specks, etc) but they won't simply remove the grain if it compromises the PQ.

Of course, at higher resolution you'll see more details, even the grains. That's why you don't see them on DVDs. This why HD is so wonderful.
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Thanks, you almost answered everything i need to know rclxms.gif

So if I buy, say, The Phantom Menace (shot digitally) I should see significant less grains, if not none, right?

Noob Question - DNR (I assume its Dolby Noise Reduction?) - the removal is done during the transfer or we have to do select it manually with the player? blush.gif
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Thanks, you almost answered everything i need to know rclxms.gif

So if I buy, say, The Phantom Menace (shot digitally) I should see significant less grains, if not none, right?

Noob Question - DNR (I assume its Dolby Noise Reduction?) - the removal is done during the transfer or we have to do select it manually with the player?  blush.gif
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No problem, but's that's just my input, maybe others have more to add or to correct me if I'm wrong.

First, The Phantom Menace has not been released on blu-ray. Secondly, the movie was not 100% digitally shot, actually there is only one scene that was shot using digital camera (I think in the Jedi Council room). But Episode II and III both was shot fully digitally shot using Sony digital cameras. What's even better with digital movies, there's no analogue-to-digital transfer process, they just encode and put it on the disc with the proper resolution. For analogue movies they have to scan the film negatives to computer.

DNR is Digital Noise Reduction. Yes, DNR was done during the transfer from film medium, but they can still be applied later in the process too. Your TV also has it, but it usually focused to clean the noise in the broadcast signal.

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Alex Proyas is one of my favorite director. Watched Dark City BD again yesterday. Still amazed. The director's cut is much better with the removal of the opening narration (as he originally intended), keeping the mystery even more interesting.

So I have this Knowing pre-ordered. A blind buy for me. I'll keep an open mind watching it, hopefully it will not suck.

Dark City was trashed by critics when it was theatrically released (except for Roger Ebert, he's pretty much alone at that time). Now it's a classic.
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got mine for GBP12.70 postage included.....Amazon UK has the same version as the US

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jun 29 2009, 07:51 AM)
For 2001: A Space Odissey, it's not just efforts that gave the excellent PQ. The film was shot on a 70mm film, essentially double the resolution of the 35mm normally used today. Nowadays only IMAX format uses 70mm film, you can see the difference between IMAX and anamorphic 35mm Panavision scenes in one same movie, The Dark Knight. The documentary, Baraka also uses 70mm (using some customized camera, not IMAX) and the PQ is simply stunning, one the best PQ on BD out there (scanned at 8k resolution instead of 4k normally, and downconverted to 2k (1080p) for the BD). Predator was given the best transfer but was not cosidered as good PQ with so much grains, but that's just how the film supposed to look.
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True, both 2001 and Baraka were filmed in 70mm. But scanning the negative/positive to digital format, it NOT a matter of just scanning from film to harddisk/storage.

I remember that when George Lucas reissued the Star Wars: New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, he made it an effort to inform end-user the pain staking work they put in to reissued the said material. (Some film stock Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and black, run/evaporate. And to make matters worst, they evaporate at different rate. So the master stock of the said star wars movie, appeared "greenish") Also, depending on how the master film stocks are handled, scratches and dust particles might accumulate as well (if you had watched Grindhouse, Death Trap and Planet Terror, you'll know how this will look. The difference is in Grindhouse, this EFFECT is on purpose). So during (where film dust and scratches can be handled)/after scanning master film stocks to digital format (reintroducing missing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow information can be done).

So quality of BD disc is still up to how much effort the owner of the material puts into it. Disney company has a good track record when it come to introducing their movie on BD.

Sony because of lack of content, bought MGM for it's James Bond property!!

Some company, issued movies like Speed Racer, maybe because it bombed at the box office, doesn't even have PCM/Dolby Digital HD/Master DTS Lossless for it's sound track!!?!

I remember in the initial stage of introducing the DVD format, because the Mpeg II decoding was still relatively new, the people who are encoding from analog to digital found that encoding analog to digital were iffy at time. Like the scene in The Exorcist, where there is a shot of the headlights of a train, encoding the same scene several time gave several DIFFERENT results....

So in short lets hope the different movie company really understand the reason behind people buying BD is because of the PQ and SQ and therefore invest in proper translation.

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I didn't argue about how much "efforts" will affect the transfer. Read my post carefully, I said "not just efforts" which means I agree but there are other factors too.

Let's say the studio put the same transfer "efforts" for 2 movies, one 70mm and the other 35mm. Same condition etc, the 70mm should still be better than 35mm right? That's my whole point. It's just one of many factors.


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I didn't argue about how much "efforts" will affect the transfer. Read my post carefully, I said "not just efforts" which means I agree but there are other factors too.

Let's say the studio put the same transfer "efforts" for 2 movies, one 70mm and the other 35mm. Same condition etc, the 70mm should still be better than 35mm right? That's my whole point. It's just one of many factors.
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Er... I wasn't disagree with your 70mm vs 30 mm statement.

I apologise if my previous thread "sounded" agressive

If there were any agression, believe me it is more towards produces of BD disc who believe that people would buy the BD because it is a bd and no effort whatsoever needs to be put into producing the bd
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Can I ask if anyone has experience with Bluray disc from Speedy?
Are the disc manufactured locally or directly imported?
Are the PQ and SQ the same as the US or UK?

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Speedy BD all imported I think. All region A. Scary prices tongue.gif
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Red Cliff 1 & 2 with Dolby Digital 5.1 doh.gif doh.gif
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Speedy BD all imported I think. All region A. Scary prices tongue.gif
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not all..some is local made...made in speedy..haha..
beware of that logo when buy... whistling.gif
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Watched a very good movie 2 nights ago. Warlords....Very aggresive mix. PQ very good, some shots a little soft, some grain and some noise in the dark areas. Overall, very good. SQ very good. Mandarin PCM 7 channels I think.

These HK guys really take the effort in making it realistic, that much I tell u. Rivals the big budget Hollywood ie, Gladiator...

Very good acting by the 3 main leads...

Also after not being able to watch Baraka due to its region coding (Region B) managed to catch about 1/2 hr on the region free Oppo. Fantastic, some ringing can be seen on some scenes but I believe it is due to the higher than usual downconversion (same as the IMAX scenes in Dark Knight) slightly apparent in some scenes, but overall thumbup.gif

Oh Yeah, the DTS-HDMA on Baraka is superb.

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 29 2009, 02:30 PM)
Saw Michael Buble BD at Speedy. RM179.....*gulp*
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Bro I think u salah tengok...just came back from Speedy this evening and Michael Buble BD is RM79. So is David Foster and Friends BD. I only bought the CD + DVD combo of David Foster and Friends but I really like it. Got Michael Buble singing also. The best for me is Katharine Mcphee duet with Andrea Bocelli singin The Prayer. Dang they are very very good. So in sync. I could cry laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Michael Buble Caught in The Act CD+DVD got 5 stars rating on Amazon. Eh what am I talking about la....this is a BD thread tongue.gif
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Michael Jackson's Final Rehearsal Rumored for Blu-ray

When Michael Jackson died last week, he was rehearsing for a final series of live concerts in London. Those gigs will obviously never happen, but Jackson's last rehearsal, recorded in multi-camera, high-definition video, could be released on Blu-ray, according to concert promoters cited by the British newspaper The Independent.

The recordings were part of the deal between Jackson and concert promotion company AEG Live, which included a plan to produce a CD, DVD and Blu-ray of what Jackson had billed his "final performance" tour, titled This Is It.

One AEG official is reported to have boasted to a colleague: "We have a live album in the can." The rehearsal, which went on for several hours, included dancers, musicians and aerial performers.

Patrick Woodroffe, lighting designer, watched the final rehearsal. He said: "We had rehearsed for the last couple weeks. We put together a complicated show, quite a spectacular show. Of course a huge part of it was him, and I would say for the last week he hadn't really been with us. He would appear, and he would rehearse sometimes, and he would not rehearse."

Randy Phillips, president of AEG Live, has refused to comment for the story.

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 30 2009, 12:37 AM)
Bro I think u salah tengok...just came back from Speedy this evening and Michael Buble BD is RM79. So is David Foster and Friends BD. I only bought the CD + DVD combo of David Foster and Friends but I really like it. Got Michael Buble singing also. The best for me is Katharine Mcphee duet with Andrea Bocelli singin The Prayer. Dang they are very very good. So in sync. I could cry laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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blink.gif RM79 only ah? BLOODY CHEAP! My sepet eyes saw it wrongly blush.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 30 2009, 12:37 AM)
Bro I think u salah tengok...just came back from Speedy this evening and Michael Buble BD is RM79. So is David Foster and Friends BD. I only bought the CD + DVD combo of David Foster and Friends but I really like it. Got Michael Buble singing also. The best for me is Katharine Mcphee duet with Andrea Bocelli singin The Prayer. Dang they are very very good. So in sync. I could cry laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Which Speedy you went bro? laugh.gif
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No need to hunt coz its right in ur face at the entrance there. Only 1 unit left but no need to worry la coz not everybody buy BD whistling.gif
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No need to hunt coz its right in ur face at the entrance there. Only 1 unit left but no need to worry la coz not everybody buy BD whistling.gif
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maybe you buy already then cheat him go there whistling.gif

what else did you see is cheap there?
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for future use....
or maybe borrow ps3 or bdp from fren
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Looking for Saving private ryan BD. The DVD not that kick lah.
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if u watch tokyo drift

got 1 chapter they masuk 1 club got alot chix-es one

u listen the music

"hey mami, hey sexi"...fuyoo the LFE is demm sedap... can literally feel ur bulu shifting by air biggrin.gif


Added on July 1, 2009, 7:39 amalso talking about bolt... i just realized it is 6.1 DTS HD MA biggrin.gif

hehehe paiseh ... duno it is printing error on the cover??

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if u watch tokyo drift

got 1 chapter they masuk 1 club got alot chix-es one

u listen the music

"hey mami, hey sexi"...fuyoo the LFE is demm sedap... can literally feel ur bulu shifting by air biggrin.gif


Added on July 1, 2009, 7:39 amalso talking about bolt... i just realized it is 6.1 DTS HD MA biggrin.gif

hehehe paiseh ... duno it is printing error on the cover??
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fu yoh...can feel the bulu shifting by the air...
how come i never feel it? shocking.gif
must re-setup already my sub...


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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 30 2009, 10:50 PM)
also talking about bolt... i just realized it is 6.1 DTS HD MA biggrin.gif

hehehe paiseh ... duno it is printing error on the cover??
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Does it also say 6.1 in the audio setup menu?
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fu yoh...can feel the bulu shifting by the air...
how come i never feel it?  shocking.gif
must re-setup already my sub...
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literally the songs inside tokyo drift sounded nicer and more boom boom pow with sky dragon compared to malaz

amazing thumbup.gif ... soli to be abit beng-ish
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'Shoot them all' is 7.1 DTS HD MA, those with 7.1 setup must try.
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Does it also say 6.1 in the audio setup menu?
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soli didnt bother to check also

normally I launch PLAY immediate and if wanto adjust will be later on in the movie


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'Shoot them all' is 7.1  DTS HD MA, those with 7.1 setup must try.
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transporter 3 DTS HD MA 7.1 , punisher 2 DTS HD MA 7.1, hellboy2 DTS HD MA 7.1 ....etc etc

brows.gif but those got SVS must try mummy 3, the chapter got the BIG Snow man fight

i guess ur SVS can sheer the bass sonic pleasure drool.gif

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jul 1 2009, 08:12 AM)
literally the songs inside tokyo drift sounded nicer and more boom boom pow with sky dragon compared to malaz

amazing  thumbup.gif ... soli to be abit beng-ish
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so..how much the boom boom pow different from your sky dragon compare with malaz???
like heaven and earth?
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jul 1 2009, 08:12 AM)
literally the songs inside tokyo drift sounded nicer and more boom boom pow with sky dragon compared to malaz

amazing  thumbup.gif ... soli to be abit beng-ish
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Ha! Ha! If u have try Onkyo the AQ is even more raw! tongue.gif
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so..how much the boom boom pow different from your sky dragon compare with malaz???
like heaven and earth?
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last night 1st time watch BoB part2 using Dune + Marantz + Axiom + Orb

The result.....REALISTIC!!!!

the part where the airplane heading to the drop zone....can fell the sound of the airplane enveloping by moving air....I feel like I'm in the plane myself....a lil vibration here & there.....can really feel it...

the combat scene....the bullet hitting the ground & bounce off metal are awesome...."buoooop...tob" in the ground & cling klang off the metal....

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jul 1 2009, 08:12 AM)
literally the songs inside tokyo drift sounded nicer and more boom boom pow with sky dragon compared to malaz

amazing  thumbup.gif ... soli to be abit beng-ish
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'Shoot them all' is 7.1  DTS HD MA, those with 7.1 setup must try.
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uhm u mean shoot 'em up right?
no wonder the other thread in ps3 like dead fish

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Jul 1 2009, 09:15 AM)
last night 1st time watch BoB part2 using Dune + Marantz + Axiom + Orb
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What movie is BoB?
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jul 1 2009, 11:07 AM)
What movie is BoB?
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Band Of Brother.........6 BD mini series good AQ, PQ a bit grainy.
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Kung Fu Panda.

"Skiddosh" scene at the final fight scene where Po applies the Wushu Finger Hold on Tai-Lung...

That puts a smile on my face everytime smile.gif
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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Jul 1 2009, 11:15 AM)
Kung Fu Panda.

"Skiddosh" scene at the final fight scene where Po applies the Wushu Finger Hold on Tai-Lung...

That puts a smile on my face everytime smile.gif
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Yes, this scene is very good to test sub. The sub peaked at 106dB. A massive surge of 42dB against normal dialogue.
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Jul 1 2009, 09:15 AM)
last night 1st time watch BoB part2 using Dune + Marantz + Axiom + Orb

The result.....REALISTIC!!!!

the part where the airplane heading to the drop zone....can fell the sound of the airplane enveloping by moving air....I feel like I'm in the plane myself....a lil vibration here & there.....can really feel it...

the combat scene....the bullet hitting the ground & bounce off metal are awesome...."buoooop...tob" in the ground & cling klang off the metal....

Nice......thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Jul 1 2009, 09:15 AM)
last night 1st time watch BoB part2 using Dune + Marantz + Axiom + Orb

The result.....REALISTIC!!!!

the part where the airplane heading to the drop zone....can fell the sound of the airplane enveloping by moving air....I feel like I'm in the plane myself....a lil vibration here & there.....can really feel it...

the combat scene....the bullet hitting the ground & bounce off metal are awesome...."buoooop...tob" in the ground & cling klang off the metal....

Nice......thumbup.gif
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Congrate to the new setup. rclxms.gif Make me also wanna upgrade rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jun 30 2009, 10:38 PM)
Looking for Saving private ryan BD. The DVD not that kick lah.
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I beg to differ. The R1 DVD kick-ass! My personal top 3 DTS, alongside Gladiator & all three LOTR extended versions. icon_rolleyes.gif
The aggresive mix will give any sub a good workout. Cant wait to see how DTS-MA will better the previous version when the BDs are released.
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QUOTE(emk @ Jul 1 2009, 02:25 PM)
I beg to differ. The R1 DVD kick-ass! My personal top 3 DTS, alongside Gladiator & all three LOTR extended versions. icon_rolleyes.gif 
The aggresive mix will give any sub a good workout. Cant wait to see how DTS-MA will better the previous version when the BDs are released.
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You're right man... The sound's really good in DTS and DTS-ES for Gladiator and LOTR.
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maybe not one.... but new movie is nice normally

try the part snow man fighting chapter in mummy3 n see biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(fourzee @ Jul 1 2009, 09:14 AM)
how much is a price of a Blue Ray disc today
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post Jul 2 2009, 12:20 AM

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So u bought all 3? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jun 29 2009, 01:38 PM)
...Watched Dark City BD again yesterday. Still amazed...

A good example of a DNR-ed (Digital Noise Reduction) BD movie... but I'd prefered it over grain nod.gif


QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 30 2009, 10:50 PM)
if u watch tokyo drift

got 1 chapter they masuk 1 club got alot chix-es one

u listen the music

"hey mami, hey sexi"...fuyoo the LFE is demm sedap... can literally feel ur bulu shifting by air biggrin.gif
and... it can oso caused by all the "sexi chix-es..." biggrin.gif


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Speaking of Gladiator, if you like the DVD then prepare for the sonic awesomeness of lossless DTS-HD Master Audio. Also to e released are Braveheart and Forrest Gump. I'm posting this again for everyone here.

Paramount will be releasing 3 titles in their new Sapphire Series.

Sept 1, 2009:

GLADIATOR

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The Blu-ray presentation will include both the original theatrical version of the film as well as the extended version in 1080p High Definition with English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, French 5.1 Dolby Digital and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital, as well as English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Korean subtitles.

The two-disc set also will feature over four hours of bonus material including, but not limited to, the following:

* Audio Commentary: Two separate commentaries accompany the original theatrical version and extended version of the film.
* The Scrolls of Knowledge: The original trivia track has been newly enhanced with focus points allowing viewers to access a series of new behind-the-scenes featurettes exploring key scenes and how they relate to the historical accuracy depicted in the film. The extended version of the film also includes a deleted scene marker.
* Visions From Elysium: Topic Marker: Viewers can tag moments of interest throughout either version of the film, allowing them to create "shopping lists" of topics to learn more about. Thanks to the Blu-ray player's memory, the topics will automatically be loaded when Disc 2 is inserted, giving viewers immediate access to featurettes and galleries of interest.
* Strength and Honor: Creating The World of Gladiator: The definitive documentary on the origin, production and impact of the Oscar®-winning classic. The documentary includes an all-new Enhanced Viewing Mode allowing viewers access to additional interviews and behind-the-scenes material.
* The Making of Gladiator: HBO First Look special.
* Gladiator Games: The Roman Bloodsport: Learning Channel special.
* Hans Zimmer: Scoring Gladiator: An exploration of the rousing soundtrack.
* My Gladiator Journal: Personal diary of the young actor who played Lucius.
* Image & Design: Featurettes and galleries covering the production design, storyboards, costumes and more.
* Abandoned Sequences & Deleted Scenes
* VFX Explorations: Germania & Rome: Shot deconstruction with the visual effects artists.

Pre-order: Amazon.com

BRAVEHEART

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The film will be presented in 1080p High Definition with English 5.1 Dolby TrueHD, French 5.1 Dolby Digital and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital and English, English SDH, French and Spanish subtitles.

Among the more than two hours of new special features to be included on Braveheart are:

* Interactive Timelines: Three distinct timelines featuring a combination of video, images, text and audio that can be accessed linearly or randomly.
* Production: A comprehensive chronology of the motion picture from conception through theatrical release, from a behind-the-scenes point of view.
* Historical: Chronological modules feature Scotland's greatest patriot, along with historical places, figures and events surrounding his life and struggle.
* Fiction: A comprehensive timeline identifying the chronological events of the film.
* Braveheart: A Look Back: Features new interviews with members of the cast and crew reminiscing about their experiences making the film and its enduring impact on cinema.
* Smithfield: Medieval Killing Fields: Relates the remarkable history of Smithfield, which for centuries was regularly filled with the roars of crowds, regal fanfares and rowdy games. Smithfield is also known as the site of William Wallace's execution, along with other terrifying spectacles when heretics, rebels and criminals were put to death.
* Battlefields of the Scottish Rebellion: Two major Scottish battlefields, Falkirk and Bannockburn, will be presented as 3D models that can be explored for further investigation into the military strategies and timetables employed in each. Topography, weapons, troop movements, and leadership data can also be accessed. An alternate playing mode will allow the story of each battle to unfold in an "automated" fashion, much like the interactive dioramas displayed at historical site museums around the world.

Pre-order: Amazon.com

November 3, 2009:

FORREST GUMP

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Celebrating its 15th anniversary in 2009, 'Forrest Gump' will feature new material including a brand new roundtable discussion. More details will follow later in the year.

Pre-order: Amazon.com



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seems like DTS HD MA is leading the core now ...hmm

truhd kena tapao?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107798/

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Title: The Pelican Brief
Year: 1993
Runtime: 141 mins
Votes: 21,906 votes
Rating: 6.3
All Genres: Drama, Mystery, Romance, Thriller, IMDb Drama section
Tagline: Two Supreme Court Justices have been assassinated. One lone law student has stumbled upon the truth. An investigative journalist wants her story. Everybody else wants her dead.
Director: Alan J. Pakula
Writing By: John Grisham Alan J. Pakula

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. Two Supreme Court Justices have been killed. Now a college professor, who clerked for one of the two men, who's also having an affair with one of his students, is given a brief by her, that states who probably, wanted to see these two men dead. He then gives it to one of his friends, who works for the FBI. When the FBI director reads it, he is fascinated by it. One of the preseident's men who read it, is afraid that if it ever got out, the president could be smeared. So, he adivises the president to tell the director to drop it, which he does. But later the professor and the girl were out and he was drunk and when he refused to give her the keys she stepped out of the car. When he started it, it blew up. She then discovers that her place has been burglarized and what was taken were her computer and her disks. Obviously, her brief has someone agitated. She then turns to her boyfriend's friend at the FBI, he agrees to come meet her but before he does someone shoots him and takes his place. At the meeting, he was about to kill her when someone shoots him. She then decides to turn to Gray Grantham, an investigative reporter, who was contacted by someone who says he has info on the killings but backed out at the last minute. He then meets her and tells her what her brief is, and basically, the man she suspects is a good friend of the president, who is trying to manipulate the outcome of a trial that is now before the Supreme Court. Grantham tells her that her brief can harm the president and all what they have are theories, he asks her to help him but she wants to leave the country. When Grantham's editor tells him that they have nothing that he should drop cause the man she implicated is extremely powerful. Grantham's about to drop it when she says that she will help him. But can they stay alive? Written by rcs0411@yahoo.com

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. Julia Roberts as Darby Shaw
. Denzel Washington as Gray Grantham
. Sam Shepard as Thomas Callahan
. John Heard as Gavin Vereek
. Tony Goldwyn as Fletcher Coal


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Few concerts in Speedy really cheap, like Michael Buble, Josh Groban & David Foster. RM79 only.
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QUOTE(MX510 @ Jul 2 2009, 08:33 AM)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107798/

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Title: The Pelican Brief
Year: 1993
Runtime: 141 mins
Votes: 21,906 votes
Rating: 6.3
All Genres: Drama, Mystery, Romance, Thriller, IMDb Drama section
Tagline: Two Supreme Court Justices have been assassinated. One lone law student has stumbled upon the truth. An investigative journalist wants her story. Everybody else wants her dead.
Director: Alan J. Pakula
Writing By: John Grisham Alan J. Pakula
I love this movie... but dunno how good the PQ is for an old movie and I'm not expecting much from its AQ. You bought this movie bro, any worth?
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[quote=fadthil,Jul 2 2009, 02:52 AM]
A good example of a DNR-ed (Digital Noise Reduction) BD movie... but I'd prefered it over grain nod.gif
and... it can oso caused by all the "sexi chix-es..." biggrin.gif

Actually, I did not enjoy the PQ of this movie because of the excessive DNR. The faces of the actors were waxy and the DNR was inconsistent. It was even clear on a 42in, very sure it will be apparent on a bigger screen.

The movie was great but the DNR was unnecessary.

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I love this movie... but dunno how good the PQ is for an old movie and I'm not expecting much from its AQ. You bought this movie bro, any worth?
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Ok, bro... that's fair enough. Will probably buy once price drop really low because there's no extra feature to die for (Warner don't seem to bother to put anything here...). At least overall much better upgrade than my old flipper disc dvd. But still couldn't understand why the need to put like 17 different subtitles in here...!!??! tongue.gif
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Where can i buy prawn BD?
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2009, 03:38 PM)
Where can i buy prawn BD?
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u mean prawn jack sparrow or prawn ori? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(fadthil @ Jul 2 2009, 03:55 PM)
u mean prawn jack sparrow or prawn ori?  hmm.gif
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Hang on, is there a difference?

Prawn ori - copy from ori?
Prawn jack sparrow - downloaded HD content? hmm.gif
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u mean prawn jack sparrow or prawn ori?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2009, 03:38 PM)
Where can i buy prawn BD?
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BD udang:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-13w-77...9qp-43-13a.html


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post Jul 2 2009, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2009, 04:24 PM)
soli i don't buy pirated stuff, only for losers. all ori here.
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Jet Li's Hero Bluray, scheduled for 15 Sep 09. Master piece. smile.gif
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Jet Li's Hero Bluray, scheduled for 15 Sep 09. Master piece. smile.gif
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Yes agreed. Been waiting for this for some time. Saw it being sold in Amazon Germany since last year but didnt but since dont have English subtitles. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2009, 04:24 PM)
soli i don't buy pirated stuff, only for losers. all ori here.
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i heard that FF7 AD blue-ray cannot play at normal TV, is that true?
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QUOTE(superxboy @ Jul 2 2009, 05:55 PM)
i heard that FF7 AD blue-ray cannot play at normal TV, is that true?
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Huh... howz dat? What do u mean normal tv, CRT? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(fadthil @ Jul 2 2009, 06:24 PM)
Huh... howz dat? What do u mean normal tv, CRT?  hmm.gif
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y canot play? aslong as ur player can output normal video (non HDMI) to ur CRT

ok ma
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It means if your TV can't accept 1080p, the movie will show nothing.
Same as the Japanese version.
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QUOTE(superxboy @ Jul 2 2009, 05:55 PM)
i heard that FF7 AD blue-ray cannot play at normal TV, is that true?
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Yup, the Jap version can only be viewed on displays that accept 1080p signals. No such issues with the US version.
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fuyoo thx for the heads-up

so 720p LCD and plasma or PJ can throw?
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jul 2 2009, 11:12 PM)
fuyoo thx for the heads-up

so 720p LCD and plasma or PJ can throw?
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Oh, that's sad... if u buy one & u didn't know why it can't play on ur 720p tv, u tot the disc is defective. U have it replaced and same thing happened... doh.gif
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kinda pathetic rite?? Ouchhh


btw, ARJ go n re-watch king-kong

then u tell me how good is the inserts n birds in the jungles scenes biggrin.gif

like htkaki said...sky dragon surround memang 32 floating pointing biggrin.gif

now inserts and birds also macam got 32 ekors in movie fly-ing around thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(fadthil @ Jul 2 2009, 11:20 PM)
Oh, that's sad... if u buy one & u didn't know why it can't play on ur 720p tv, u tot the disc is defective. U have it replaced and same thing happened... doh.gif
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Set your receiver to output whatever resolution your TV supports, don't put auto. The receiver should downconvert the 1080p source to your TV's resolution.
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the problem is not all AVR can do it ler sad.gif


Added on July 3, 2009, 7:55 amhttp://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=5178&show=review

not bad the review

FOX + DTS HD MA + die hard style

sure biling balang biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2009, 04:24 PM)
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Guys, newbie about bluray, wanted to know whether HD ready lcd can receive full hd bluray movie n hows the connection, tq.
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it will work...
but movies will be displayed best at 720p
still using hdmi
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R u sure u never touch a pirated stuff since u born???  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 3 2009, 09:46 AM)
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QUOTE(panda-man @ Jul 3 2009, 10:32 AM)
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QUOTE(panda-man @ Jul 3 2009, 10:32 AM)
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the only people i know in malaysia that do not own/have not owned any pirated stuff are those working in government. hmm.gif
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Are u sure they are that clean?
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You're right. They are too poor to even buy pirated stuff. They just watch TV1 pimai pimai tangtu
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not everyone lah. i mean those datuk and stuff. not the normal workers. i heard only lah.
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Ala, dey don't need to wat... they got all for FREE from the raids they made, hehehe... biggrin.gif
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man you all mentioning pelican brief back then made me remember "a time to kill" so i looked up a review and found out that it has no special features or anything special added to it. so sad. so sad.

btw. anyone doing any tumpang for anything?
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This is insane, before was sooo expensive ley....

CHECK THIS OUT


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hahaha standard amazonian tricks. up and down they go everyday.
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post Jul 3 2009, 11:55 AM

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Are there any other shipment methods from Amazon besides the "standard" & "expedited" ? Other than the Priority courier, do they have "registered" services? I don't mind paying a bit more to get the packages registered. The building I work at has so many "thieves" that its almost a guaranteed loss if the packages are not registered.
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QUOTE(welwitchia @ Jul 3 2009, 11:55 AM)
Are there any other shipment methods from Amazon besides the "standard" & "expedited" ? Other than the Priority courier, do they have "registered" services? I don't mind paying a bit more to get the packages registered. The building I work at has so many "thieves" that its almost a guaranteed loss if the packages are not registered.
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Hi,

I believe if u use expediated - then u nid a signature to collect de package..

Amazon has great CS n if indeed u dont recieve ur package - n after a standard period, u can request a 2nd shipment n they'll entertain this for free..

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jul 3 2009, 11:59 AM)
Hi,

I believe if u use expediated - then u nid a signature to collect de package..

Amazon has great CS n if indeed u dont recieve ur package - n after  a standard period, u can request a 2nd shipment n they'll entertain this for free..

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Expedited no signature needed bro. Only Priority.
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 3 2009, 12:09 PM)
Expedited no signature needed bro. Only Priority.
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My bad.. blink.gif

I knew one of de 3 needed a signature.. tongue.gif

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Ah so I guess its difficult for me to purchase from Amazon then.
Any other means of purchasing from Amazon? Paying about USD 45 for priority shipment ( 3 Blu-rays) is a no no for me.
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Well, you can always tumpang from some of the "sifoos" here... nod.gif
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Why de hangups abt non delivery.. Like I said amz.com has great CS.. they literally guarantee receipts of item/s tat u order..

I hv nvr gone for other than de standard shippin (in my 2 odd yrs of buyin from them) n even thou' there was one or 2 instances where my packges arrived late (veri late, sumtin like 2.5mths late - to the extent that I got another for free), they did reach my hands eventually..

If there is anythin to complain abt amz is tat their shippin charges are a tad exp..
Other than tat, they are an exemplary online store

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QUOTE(welwitchia @ Jul 3 2009, 12:16 PM)
Ah so I guess its difficult for me to purchase from Amazon then.
Any other means of purchasing from Amazon? Paying about USD 45 for priority shipment ( 3 Blu-rays) is a no no for me.
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Use vpost. google for vpost malaysia. this is what my colleague do

1) register for amazon prime trail (free for 30 days)
2) with your amazon prime enabled, you ship to vpost address in USA - FOR FREE!
3) then vpost USA will ship back to malaysia for you and deliver to your doorstep.

He once ship a box around 10 titles, the shipping fee only around RM100++. thumbup.gif Average RM10 per bd. Just pray kettam never stop your package if you order too much.
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^ thanks.. I look into vpost.
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QUOTE(horray @ Jul 2 2009, 04:22 PM)
Hang on, is there a difference?

Prawn ori - copy from ori?
Prawn jack sparrow - downloaded HD content?  hmm.gif
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Hmmm.... I thought Sony SWORE there won't be any "Adult Movies" available on the Blu-Ray format, seeing how their BetaMax format was "indirectly" KILLED by the "Adult Movies" industry (in the 80s)!!??
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Never tried expedited shipping, but I thought it still needs signature (with local pos), the difference is that it takes just almost as long as standard shipping to arrive.

Even without Amazon Prime account, still can get free standard US delivery which takes about 5 days. But I think the minimum purchase is US$30.

And yes, Amazon's CS is the best on this planet. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 3 2009, 12:48 PM)
And yes, Amazon's CS is the best on this planet. thumbup.gif
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I agree ... once I have problems and Amazon called me up on my mobile and when they couldn't get me, they left a message. Very polite and apologetic for the problems - I just couldn't say anything bad about their efficiency. I can't help but benchmark Malaysian companies against them - Amazon wins by miles and miles.
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 3 2009, 12:48 PM)
Never tried expedited shipping, but I thought it still needs signature (with local pos), the difference is that it takes just almost as long as standard shipping to arrive.

Even without Amazon Prime account, still can get free standard US delivery which takes about 5 days. But I think the minimum purchase is US$30.

And yes, Amazon's CS is the best on this planet. thumbup.gif
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Aha..

Then I m not wrong after all.. I tot I remember amz shippin (nope I didnt opt for tis but amz upgr cos of an exceptionally long wait for stock) for me using tis n then had to sign for it..
N ya its like a coupla days diff only as compared to standrd shippin - not worth xtra for tis IMO..

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^ Yes I understand that their CS is good but what happens when every shipment I order never arrives? Or lets say, I get a 75% steal rate. :-)
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^ Yes I understand that their CS is good but what happens when every shipment I order never arrives? Or lets say, I get a 75% steal rate. :-)
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Then change ur shippin adrs lo..

From house to ofis or wifes/gf/bf ofis - sumtin like tat la..
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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jul 3 2009, 12:55 PM)
Aha..

Then I m not wrong after all.. I tot I  remember amz shippin (nope I didnt opt for tis but amz upgr cos of an exceptionally long wait for stock) for me using tis n then had to sign for it..
N ya its like a coupla days diff only as compared to standrd shippin - not worth xtra for tis IMO..

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You're still wrong. I ship my orders using expedited for a few times already. No signature required.
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Haha..

Maybe my postal worker works diffntly from urs..

Watever.. pt is amz is de only online store safe to recommend

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 3 2009, 01:39 PM)
You're still wrong. I ship my orders using expedited for a few times already. No signature required.
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yeah i normally use priority

but got 1 time a replacement from Amazon came by expedited. No signature needed
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post Jul 3 2009, 02:25 PM

hmm...
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I use normal shipping only coz there's no rush. I've seen the movie anyway just wanted an ori R1. Usually will arrive in a 3-4 weeks rolleyes.gif
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lol..never know got this thread also...good! BD for life! smile.gif
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Guys, newbie about bluray, wanted to know whether HD ready lcd can receive full hd  bluray movie n hows the connection, tq.
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it will display as 720p or 1080i.

i think you should go for full hd. its better for future
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Yeap, Amazon has the best customer service among online retailers that I know of. They never failed to reply my email later than a day!!

Talking about expedited shipping method, 2 of my replacement orders (lost in shipment) so far were delivered via this method. Another order was sent using this too (without having to pay the extra fee) because it was shipped almost 2 weeks after I made the order due to stock shortage nod.gif
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post Jul 4 2009, 01:14 PM

hmm...
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Animatrix tu katun ke?
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