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 Micro Four Third (m43) User Thread V1, Panasonic G/GH/GFx & Olympus E-P/E-PLx

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post Jun 19 2009, 08:23 AM

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my informer told me the body is full Metal solid.. only the lens is plastic..IS got IS mode 1 ,2 ,and 3

will molest it during TT..huhuhu

user posted image <- my fren with its new toy

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http://photorumors.com/2009/06/17/the-guts...3-olympus-e-p1/

Unfortunately its not a full metal body. BUT it is rock solid so it still good.
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Whichever way you look at it, it will still be a niche market.

PnS users will still stick to their PnS, especially if they do not want the hassle of changing lenses.

Pro users will ask why buy a micro four thirds when you already have a full fledged DSLR?

Which leaves the niche market for pro users who just want to use it with the pancake lens on - that's the only time it's really compact in size - and for gear heads who like the novelty.

Mounting it with normal four thirds telephoto lenses with an adapter will make the camera feels really off balance in weight. And how will you hold it? The weight will be on the lens weighing it down towards the front. It's compact size will make it hard to grip steadily plus it has no viewfinder so you have to hold it at arms length to see the LCD to compose - all of which makes for a really strange pose.
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Camera body is getting smaller and smaller, but the lens are still bulky. So theres not much different when you mount it with some after market lenses smile.gif and price to pay is scrifice of the pictures quality. Maybe will attract some techies gearhead for a short while.

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QUOTE(zarule7 @ Jun 19 2009, 04:48 AM)
if anybody buy this....may i borrow it....sighh....POISON!!!!!!!!!
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Borrow I don't think can la... but "Molest" can la... hehehe... I wan to join also!

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 19 2009, 12:45 AM)
read back a few post before that post of mine. Harry usernick is harrychoo.
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got it... knows who harry is now... but seriously... selling off his D90 for this? damn... now that's someone who's been poisoned KAWKAW
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 11:31 AM)
Whichever way you look at it, it will still be a niche market.

PnS users will still stick to their PnS, especially if they do not want the hassle of changing lenses.

Pro users will ask why buy a micro four thirds when you already have a full fledged DSLR?

Which leaves the niche market for pro users who just want to use it with the pancake lens on - that's the only time it's really compact in size - and for gear heads who like the novelty.

Mounting it with normal four thirds telephoto lenses with an adapter will make the camera feels really off balance in weight. And how will you hold it? The weight will be on the lens weighing it down towards the front. It's compact size will make it hard to grip steadily plus it has no viewfinder so you have to hold it at arms length to see the LCD to compose - all of which makes for a really strange pose.
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No need to change lens that often. Pro user who buy E-P1 is those who getting sick of lugging around big dSLR.
They can just buy E-P1 instead of compact camera.

By the way, I can see that there's a lot of people who wants a dSLR quality in compact bodies. That's not niche market I think.
I think the market for this type of people is huge. I would say girl who want good quality camera will go for this. As a matter
of fact, I'm also being poisoned kaw kaw. At first I thought of getting K-7 since its small. But this is dream come true.

Conclusion:- This will be big. Majority of people will go for E-P1 instead of dSLR now.

QUOTE(yehlai @ Jun 19 2009, 12:22 PM)
Camera body is getting smaller and smaller, but the lens are still bulky. So theres not much different when you mount it with some after market lenses smile.gif and price to pay is scrifice of the pictures quality. Maybe will attract some techies gearhead for a short while.
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That's why I'm aiming for pancake 17mm f/2.8.
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QUOTE(Braynumb @ Jun 19 2009, 12:29 PM)
Borrow I don't think can la... but "Molest" can la... hehehe... I wan to join also!
got it... knows who harry is now... but seriously... selling off his D90 for this? damn... now that's someone who's been poisoned KAWKAW
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it's not the matter being poisoned or not.

it just a photographer finally knows what he want and what type of camera suit him best.

having said that, frankly i still prefer G1 over E-P1 in term of usability but E-P1 have video over G1 (and G1H too expensive).
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 01:09 PM)
it's not the matter being poisoned or not.

it just a photographer finally knows what he want and what type of camera suit him best.

having said that, frankly i still prefer G1 over E-P1 in term of usability but E-P1 have video over G1 (and G1H too expensive).
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you really sold the DSLR after saw this P1? Really enthusiast.
Shere some shoots here and poison more people laugh.gif

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jun 19 2009, 01:13 PM)
you really sold the DSLR after saw this P1? Really enthusiast.
Shere some shoots here and poison more people laugh.gif
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Not really, I sold few months ago already as I already decided to go for mFT.

Tried G1, impressed and feel want to buy it. Pros : EVF, fast focusing, good grip, nice articulating LCD, built in flash. Cons : No video.
Decided to wait for Olympus and see what they offer on their lineup.

Price around RM2700 for E-P1 is still quite steep to be honest, so I'll wait a while for the price to drop before getting it.
Hopefully can get it before Oct for my Bali trip, else I'll settle it wth my LX3 and wait for more mFT camera from Panasonic and Olympus.
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like i say the price will definitely drop and be patient..and using Ep1 with 4/3 lens is just a bonus..ep1 will have their own m43 lens line up... 14-42 and 17mm is just the beginning..+ 7-14 from panasonic m43 also cool..these lens are all m43 and interchangeable..
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Really wish Olympus will release a black 17mm Pancake so I can use it with my E-420... sad.gif Then I'll have nice walkaround focal range, 17, 25, 50... smile.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 19 2009, 12:59 PM)
No need to change lens that often. Pro user who buy E-P1 is those who getting sick of lugging around big dSLR.
They can just buy E-P1 instead of compact camera.

By the way, I can see that there's a lot of people who wants a dSLR quality in compact bodies. That's not niche market I think.
I think the market for this type of people is huge. I would say girl who want good quality camera will go for this. As a matter
of fact, I'm also being poisoned kaw kaw. At first I thought of getting K-7 since its small. But this is dream come true.

Conclusion:- This will be big. Majority of people will go for E-P1 instead of dSLR now.
That's why I'm aiming for pancake 17mm f/2.8.
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That's what I say ler... pro with DSLR will only get the E-P1 with a pancake lens for portability and convenience. To stand in for their compacts. Other lenses and accessories are non-priority items. It not like they are gonna get another system or replace their existing DSLR. It's like "I'm going to a party/clubbing and I don't wanna lug my DSLR around so the E-P1 (with pancake lens) will do as I can carry it in my pocket." kinda thing. Not like - "I am into landscape/sports/wedding photography and I don't like big DSLR... so I am gonna get the E-P1 instead!"

If the market is that large, the G1 and the GH1 would have exploded ler before the E-P1. The G1 is the first micro-four thirds system camera in the market and it has an electronic viewfinder too, which the E-P1 lacks. Not to mention a fully articulating LCD!

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 02:28 PM)
That's what I say ler... pro with DSLR will only get the E-P1 with a pancake lens for portability and convenience. To stand in for their compacts. Other lenses and accessories are non-priority items. It not like they are gonna get another system or replace their existing DSLR. It's like "I'm going to a party/clubbing and I don't wanna lug my DSLR around so the E-P1 (with pancake lens) will do as I can carry it in my pocket." kinda thing. Not like - "I am into landscape/sports/wedding photography and I don't like big DSLR... so I am gonna get the E-P1 instead!"

If the market is that large, the G1 and the GH1 would have exploded ler before the E-P1. The G1 is the first micro-four thirds system camera in the market and it has an electronic viewfinder too, which the E-P1 lacks. Not to mention a fully articulating LCD!
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There is another very small (i admit) subset of people who would love the E-P1.

Ultrazoom/prosumer users. I am not talking about LX3 or similar - i am talking about Pana's TZ7/Canon's S-series users.
They know the power of manual settings. But the sensors in their cameras are not up to par yet - so the E-P1 is a very viable way to keep their camera's form factor, and yet have the power of a larger sensor - and changable lens to boot.

but then, there are people who are fed-up with lugging back-pack full of dslr stuff. Now they only need to carry a pouch for the camera! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 02:28 PM)
That's what I say ler... pro with DSLR will only get the E-P1 with a pancake lens for portability and convenience. To stand in for their compacts. Other lenses and accessories are non-priority items. It not like they are gonna get another system or replace their existing DSLR. It's like "I'm going to a party/clubbing and I don't wanna lug my DSLR around so the E-P1 (with pancake lens) will do as I can carry it in my pocket." kinda thing. Not like - "I am into landscape/sports/wedding photography and I don't like big DSLR... so I am gonna get the E-P1 instead!"

If the market is that large, the G1 and the GH1 would have exploded ler before the E-P1. The G1 is the first micro-four thirds system camera in the market and it has an electronic viewfinder too, which the E-P1 lacks. Not to mention a fully articulating LCD!
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maybe i can be the sample laugh.gif

i'm the one who "like to travel but dun want to carry a big ass camera, like to yumcha without a attention seeker big ass camera but still want better quality than compact" and "occasionally like the flexibility of changing to longer lens for event purpose like concert and candid shots"

and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog nod.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 02:49 PM)
maybe i can be the sample  laugh.gif

i'm the one who "like to travel but dun want to carry a big ass camera, like to yumcha without a attention seeker big ass camera but still want better quality than compact" and "occasionally like the flexibility of changing to longer lens for event purpose like concert and candid shots"

and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog  nod.gif
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So we are two of a kind then biggrin.gif

What is your current camera?
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arghh ...buy or not buy ...
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 02:49 PM)
maybe i can be the sample  laugh.gif

i'm the one who "like to travel but dun want to carry a big ass camera, like to yumcha without a attention seeker big ass camera but still want better quality than compact" and "occasionally like the flexibility of changing to longer lens for event purpose like concert and candid shots"

and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog  nod.gif
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Ya lor... the market appeals to people who thinks the same as you. I am not saying that this is wrong. It's prefectly ok but truth is how many people will have the same kind of thinking? Niche market lor.

You're looking for better IQ because you have been exposed to the DSLR IQ range before and can never go back to PnS.

For the average PnS user, most of them don't care that much about IQ. You see them talking about size lah, megapixels lah, how many times zoom lah, design lah and what not. So given the price range of the EP-1, it will only appeal to a subset of these PnS users as the price is on the high side compared even to entry level DSLR.

I won't be the least bit surprised if a typical AhBeng PnS user goes like:

PnS user : Wah! This E-P1 very nice leh. How many times zoom ar, this camera?
Shopkeeper : This kit lens is 14-40mm so about 3x zoom.
PnS user : Wahlau! So big lens only 3x zoom ar? Other camera with so big lens can go 18x zoom leh!
Shopkeeper : You can get a telephoto lens if you want to zoom further. Can change lenses one, this camera!
PnS user : Wah! Now the view is zoomed in. How to get back to the wide view?
Shopkeeper : That one have to change lens again..
PnS user : Hah?! Change again ar... why so mafan one? Better I buy the other camera... rclxub.gif
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LOL...some of the arguments really funny.
Actually all cameras are niche market if you think about it. You want a big ass camera, get a DSLR, you want a small ass camera get a P&S, you want something medium - get the Pen.... rclxms.gif

Why so work up over a product? No one product will please everyone. What you think works for you then buy it, and remember what works for you doesnt mean it works for others. There is no logic in the decision making.

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is like ciggrates..either u smoke it or u dont..
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does anybody know how long does the battery lasts? and for what image resolution?

I've always bought Olympus, and one of the main reasons is because of their really really long battery life. so many shots at one time. really a life-saver for me.

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