i'm planning to upgrade 205/50/16 for my vios. SC1 shud be ok rite? cuz tat shop i'm buying not much brand to choose from.

well bro... it depends lo... if you car is vios stock should be 185/60 R15 then u upgraded to 195/50 R16???
for that size you have a lots of option... y Continental??? what is ur priorities Handling, Comfort and also Noise... what is the current tire that u r using and what is ur comment???

nop, now the stock is 175/65/14 goodyear nct5 and i quite ok wif it as i seldom go outstation actually. if 195/50 has limited option but if 205 more brands to choose from as u said juz now.

well actually the best upgrade is only 15" as all 16" upgrade is over the 3% limit recommended... but u insisted then u should ask how to reprogram ur speedo meter and also ur ABS,EDB & BA back to that size...
for 185/60 R15 stock u can upgrade to the size that u had mention...
that is the advice

http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculato...p?action=submit

use tire calculator to try out... u need to understand also from 195/55 R15 to 205/50 R16 tire price different is quite a lot.... like the Hankook V12 that i'm using 195/55 R15 only at RM200/pc while 205/50 R16 is RM280/pc... u need to know that and of course the handling will be better but the noise and the comfort will not as good as stock and 15" still give you comfort but 16" can't lo... of couse i did not mention about the traction/grip coz it still depends what tire u use, coz if you got 16" rim n u use Yokohama A drive cannot compare with Yokohama S drive as both tire is at different category A drive is entry level and Ultra High Performance for S drive...

think carefully if u still insist to change to 16" rim then u let us know what is ur priority, Handling, Comfort??? this 2 cannot stand together... and also noise, is it very important coz the new Dugong is not that good in sound insulation...

* 205/45 R16 can fit within the 3% rules...



from these tires u can see different type...
Entry Level - Yokohama A drive
Comfort Luxury - Michelin Primacy LC
Comfort performance - Falken 912
Ultra High Performance - Hankook V12, Toyo T1R (both with a lil comfort), S Drive, PP2, RE-001, GSD3, R-SR
all UHP tires at Directional except PP2 where it uses back old Asymmetric style...

This post has been edited by michael9413: Mar 20 2010, 07:04 AM

I'm driving persona, std tyre is 195/60R15, luckly i didnt upgrade to 205/50R16, for a price tyre RM420/pcs x 4 = rm1680 give me this kind of wet performance. I'll very disappointed.
But compare 205 vs 195 on LC, does it have a lot diff better grip in wet/dry?

not much different... for ur size y not try to upgrade it to 195/65 R15... that size you can get Toyo C1S... much beter than LC as per feedback...
another 1 is Falken 912 lo... not much to choose...
unless u take a drop back to 195/55 R15... u have new Michelin PS3, still in promo should be below RM260/pc... it is much better than Primacy LC, 912 or C1S, as it is a Ultra High/Extremem Performance tire... its Promo price very attractive... hehe...

well bro... still got ppl change to 16" and buy cheap tires 1... trust me... saw 16" with Yokohama A Drive (entry level tire), Goodyear NCT5, Bridgestone MY-01 and others....
that makes me sweat and they think they are more supreme than me, i might loose is cornering stability but the traction and grip of my tires is much more supreme than theirs, especially in wet...
sometimes don look at the brand too much but the quality of the tire; dry and wet traction... if it is not providing u the grip what 4, remember it is the contact point of ur 1 tonne+++ monster to the ground... it holds it's position and braking distance will be affected also, the total contact (4 tires) to the ground of a 195 tire should not be more than 3 A4 paper... if the grips is gone in the wet, at highspeed drive at NSE u will just flew to any direction.... choose wisely lo...

since u bought the Primacy LC already u have to becareful with wet traction... get know of it then drive within the limit
that is important since there is a lot of a**h**e that ignore than and still speed in wet condition, at last get skided and blame it is raining...

remember... Comfort tire might not give you the wet traction as good as performance tire, y 'might not' only coz if you compare to a MY-01 and also Primacy LC it is a different story... Bridgestone MY-01 so call entry level performance tires is only rate B in traction while Michelin Primacy LC is rated at A which is better than it (even entry level tire like Michelin XM1 & Yokohama A Drive is rated higher than MY-01) thats is what i mean don look at the brand but quality and specs of the tire...

This post has been edited by michael9413: Mar 21 2010, 06:21 AM

for saga is 31psi right?
when should i pump my car tire? during morning or night or noon?

i prefer early morning. best will be when the tire temp is still cold. make sure the car has travel less than 1km to the nearest station.
pumping when tires is hot is not accurate.
btw, 220kpa front and 200 front should be ok with saga.

what is the top 3 quiet tyre for 195/55/15??? any sifu pls list according to da sequence...may add some info as well~

according to my friend
contact premium2(low class), potenza and ps3 is quiet

guys need some help here to get the prices ...

Tyre Size : 225/45/17
Brand :-

Michelin Pilot Sport 2 or 3
Good Year RS Sport

Location KL/PJ

thanks a bunch

haha PS 3 quiet... not so la... coz it is never meant to be but compare to others it might be a lil better...
try Falken 912, Yokohama ES501/C Drive, Michelin Primacy LC (so called quiet tire but some mention it is not that, depends on cars also), Michelin PP2 also can but duno u still can get it or not...

PS3 is way to go... Michelin Top range of tire... Goodyear then u should look for F1 Asymmetric
both should be around RM530~580...

Mana lu punya RE001?
my RE001 clocked >15xxxkm already...

hi michael9413 , u r using v12 right? how do you feel for below 2 type of tyre comparison?

195/55/R15
Hankook V12 Evo
Michelin Pilot Sports 3

i finally narrow down 2 options above, which one is better consider value to money, i know PS3 is new & will cost high, but dun know the performance vs V12.

Currently i am still on RE001, clocked 22-23k km dee, still have 50% tread..3 out of 4 tyre being patched before due to screw/nails !!! still left one tyre is virgin!:( ..next month gonna change liao together with service.

RE001 dry cornering is brilliant, rubber wear down to 30-40%, groove show "J" pattern..looks really Good ! PP2 lose quite abit.
RE001 on damp surface(wet), when it is new..ok. I notice at wet tarmac, it can be slippery, just becareful not to drive too fast. Be patient, listen to music and drive cautiously..

RM250 Michelin PS3 is the price i ask from few Penang Michelin dealer..still haven't decide which to go for..RE001 RM295-300. AD08 got ready stock, but price aar...after negotiate still RM480 per piece. Hmm..

Still haven't decide which to go for..PS3 pricing wise is attractive, tread pattern somehow dull, design is a decade ago. Can save rm200 if buy PS3 compare to RE001..if PS3 dry traction doesn't satisfied..then next change gonna be RE001 again !

RE001 is also known RE760 wor..that's i found on the net.

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Added on March 24, 2010, 10:55 pmCSC1

This post has been edited by ralf: Mar 24 2010, 10:55 PM

PS3 all the way!!!!! well RM180~200 for V12 and RM220~250 for PS3 at this moment... V12 hard to get stock already as it is too hot cheap and good but i'm not that happy with it's hydroplaning resistance vs PP2 lo so i choose PS3... haha

hard to compare as UHP tire vs Extreme...

review Michelin PS3 vs Hankook V12 and Michelin PP2

Dry - PS3 top this can it can do much better corner than V12, average about 10~20km/h faster, but PP2 loose a bit on this dry grip in corners to V12... maybe the directional design of the tire??? haha...
Wet - Yet to test fully on this as i desperately wanna test the hydroplaning resistance during heavy heavy rain of the tire, PS3 tested after rain around my area only ... wet grip it should top V12 also where PP2 and V12 is on par... y??? PP2 is good in hydroplaning resistance but the grip in corners again loose to V12, in the other hand hydroplaning resistance of V12 is not that good after 110km/h which PP2 has no problem even at 140km/h...
Handling - again PS3 tops all as it give you razor sharp response vs 12 and PP2... PP2 better than V12 a lil in this but still a lil more grip in the corners will help it to topple V12 in the over all corner performance...
Comfort - V12 has this as it is really much better than PP2, but PS3 is in the middle of the 2 where is give you feedback while not suffer in the response...
Noise - all 3 of them is quite on par with each other but PP2 have a lil edge as it's noise is better than both of them during 70km/h~110km/h cruising... both PS3 and V12 suffer noise pollution during that speed...

bro Ralf had you use PP2 b4 i think u are clearer now which to buy... my review in Vios and AutoWorld forum might helps u... look that the quote below

Autoworld review


LYN Vios review


This post has been edited by michael9413: Mar 25 2010, 10:19 AM

bro michael9413,

my falken tires already clocked 16k km...is the right time to rotate my tires?
persona user here...

u shud rotate ur tires every 10k KM...

and do balancing and alignment...this will extend ur tires life span!

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Added on March 25, 2010, 7:14 pmbro...actually Traction rating is according to their own product ranking...

Falken 912 Traction AA / Threadwear 360
seems ridiculous...everyone that use this tires knew the traction shud be B/A- only...

threadwear 360 but the tires canot last for 30k km...!


bridgestone my-01 traction B bcos their product all very good grip...at least A/AA(potenza series)
doesnt mean my01 poor grip than Falken 912..

i can see some china/indo tires traction AA also...

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Added on March 25, 2010, 7:17 pmRE001 always DRY road King....(if AD07/08 is not here)

RE001 sidewall is design for cornering...

PS3 sidewall softer....

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Added on March 25, 2010, 7:28 pmV12 market very less stock...heard 1 V12 user say sidewall will crack...same case with conti CC1
but maybe he is unlucky guy...!

if the price different not much...surely will go for PS3
u pay wat u get...

This post has been edited by nestum: Mar 25 2010, 07:28 PM

as you like coz if the tire wears uneven then rotate it or if the front wears a lot faster then back also u need to rotate it... i rotated my V12 around 15k also... no problem at all until i bang a pothole where my alignment out already i still drive for 1 month then my left tire a bit uneven wear...


all the rating is tested at certain environment... so can't argue much about that... but what u say MY-01 is good i can't feel that... my colleague used others performance tire he comment on his current set of MY-01 'sucks'... the grip in corners and of course wet is not up to the standard, well especially after 50% all gone down the hill...

for RE001 i don think we are right to compare it with PS3 as PS3 is higher category that RE001... RE001 should be paired with PP2 & PS3 should be with GY F1 Asy n BS RE050.. all i can say is PS3 performance is better than PP2 and V12 as i only used that... RE001 hard side wall??? the PP2 is super hard??? further more compare with PS3 priced RM250 and below now with RE-001 which is RM250 and above which u will buy??? pay less for max performance or pay more for ultra high performance tire... of course i'll opt for max performance... 2nd reason do you think Michelin is that stupid to destroy the reputation planted by their highly rated PS2 by launching this PS3... wait for some website comparison between those new max performance tire like Goodyear F1 Asymmetric & Michelin PS3 & Bridgestone RE050 the we should has better indication lo...

for V12 issue is only a gimmick for me as there is dozens of ppl in Autoworld installed V12 on their ride and no such feedback... CC1 is not cracking issue but bi-lateral offset and also side wall bulging issue...
that is feedback from my Tire Guru

This post has been edited by michael9413: Mar 26 2010, 09:06 AM

Wah RE001 strong supporter...

i never use before but have challenge/ sprint drive with another car that fitted RE001 from japan...
that time i was using chop shop tire yokohama DNA, both our car is same just running different tire and the RE001 have fitted alot of bars .. mine none ...

we push and push also got challenge a RX8 to the peak of genting... we are bumper to bumper from bottom of the hill to peak of the hill ... as u say RE001 so good but still unable to pull away... from chop shop tire... RE001 just so so ...