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vios2002
post Oct 26 2009, 12:25 PM

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After using this Federal 595 EVO for about 3 weeks and have drove about 2k plus km
Noise level is high 7/10
Tire side wall stiff 6/10
Dry grip 7.5/10
Wet grip 6/10
Rubber wear 5/10

Dry grip tire very easy to reach optium temperature and dont need to push to warm up it... after reach working temp it will grip very well if you know how to take cornering line in high speed the tire dont make noise, for Understeer in some corner rarely happen in medium & high speed but if entering corner at high speed to a slow speed corner it do understeer due to cornering & braking at the same time

Wet road i just push in strait line ... grip is well to cut alot water, Cornering i dint push much as our normal road got oil on the road surface so it will be make it more slippery so GUYS dont push your luck till the edge some time.
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post Oct 27 2009, 06:29 AM

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Oly & michael9413

here is my car setup, basically i was doing 2 testing Tire & suspension

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By the way my car Setup for Titan suspension is
Car: vios manual
Car weight : 1020KG as per spec but mine abit lighter weight
Wheel Setup 15"
Rim weight: 3.9kg per wheels.
Tire : Federal 595EVO .... tire spec UTQG 260.A.A for tread wear and grip level performance.
Tire Preasure: Front 260/kpa Rear 220/kpa normal gas station air.

Camber Setting
front 1.5
Rear 0 as OEM cant be adjust

Titan suspension setup
Spring Rate
Front 5kg/mm Rear about 2~2.5kg/mm (rear is about standard spring from toyota and supply by APM)

Day 1
Before Install...
when to test drive at ampang lookup point/ little genting
-Road condition not all part of the road is smooth, some part of the road is patch here and there and some part of the road is deeps in maybe road patch is not very well... like this ------_________---------
-Car Condition all stock just sport rims ..
-test run 1 stock speed up about 70kmh~90kmh, during corner the car very unstable speed was drop to 60kmh when coming downhill, during cornering the car feel like in a boat ride when wave is strong... so i backoff try not to risk

then when to install Titan suspension

After install Titan suspension, they check the setting and have some driving around the office ...

After all the done, Titan son and me when for test drive we use some short cut road to Ampang lookup point ...
i start with slow drive to feel how it respond on slow speed at 60kmh... good ride feel like using sport spring not too stiff ...cornering is stable ...
Then i increase the speed to 100kmh ~ 120kmh in strait road and corner the feel is much more better very control suspension damping & rebound is very well set.... then we reach a part of corner with patch road with deeps in ------_______-------- is during cornering speed at that time was 110kmh... i was scare the tail of the car will let go (oversteer) cause happen to me before ... sad experince that time ... so i dint think much continue to speed dont care much ...surprise dint Oversteer at all so i continue few more corner .... hehe really happy then on the way back to Titan office i take a 90 degree turn and jam brake during turning ... surprise the rear part of the car dint power slide off ..... even Titan son also surprise

Day 2 testing is on hill road with high speed corner and medium speed corner road was very smooth...

Day 2 Medium speed & High speed corner ( #Dont Try this At home# )
Location from shah alam to KL to Berjaya Hill resort

-ride from Shah alam to Gombak toll was fine, even my co-driver dint notice i have install Titan suspension at the early stage... dint tell him about the installation ..hehe when reach road that have yellow line to slow your car speed ... it feel stiff if the yellow line is thicker at some road ... i had that ride feel even in stock suspension...

-Going up hill was fine then i told my co-driver i have install titan he was shock, he say the car dint bounce much on the slow speed and ride is confort car speed follow speed limit hehe then after the Genting tunnel i increase speed abit on the long strait downhill, after that long strait got few medium speed corner (last time on my old car max ever go is 100/kmh) then i try to push with Titan at that time was doing 130kmh ~ 140kmh got some G force feel hehe... surprice the Federal 595EVO tire dint not loss traction dint feel understeer during turning and even increase speed in the corner

-When arrive at Berjaya hill resort at the early guard house before arrive the hill up there the road surface is smooth but the tar is not so nice tire killer road ...hehe during that time my tire have reach optium temperature small stone stick on the tire when drive slow slow 20/kmh... continue to drive the road designer was very good for berjaya hill resort if drive FR can play drifting haha... continue to attack corner after corner... push and push want to feel when is the tire oversteer and understeer but it just continue give more traction really good tire

#Dont Try this at home#
-on the way back to KL from berjaya hill resort slow drive after the tunnel cause rain that time, then from tunnel after that got few medium speed also driving slow wet road hehe... after that long strait the road was dry and nice then a myvi over take me outside, i continue to push in corner he dare not to push hehe ... then a lotus elise on my tail .. he tail gate me then when strait he over take me then in a fast corner i follow him very close bumper to bumper that time in front of him was no car he was pushing in corner and i follow him very close that time during cornering i was doing 160/kmh ~ 170/kmh my friend was so silent dare not to say any things that time ...haha tire grip still very good dint feel understeer or oversteer after that corner come to main strait again then i loss out on topspeed but good fight on the high speed corner sedan 1.5 VS sport car 1.8 with MR drive system...haha our Vios really can kick some butt even lotus cant pull away in high speed corner (maybe driver issue)...haha

After that follow speed limit ...that is Day 2 testing


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post Oct 27 2009, 01:44 PM

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Noted, as last time i was asking high speed balancing ...

during that day 2 testing chasing lotus in the cornering, during cornering at i think 180kmh + my steering was vibrate .... cause when i try to reach topspeed steering also start to vibrate at that speed 180kmh ...

after that when i look at the meter it was 160~170 ... can say fast ... i was that time try to push what it the limit of the tire...

so i was asking where can do high speed balancing to stop the wheel vibrate issue...in another thread

i only can advise is dont push your luck till the edge in the rain no mater how good is the tire are
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post Oct 27 2009, 09:53 PM

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michael9413,
just want to ask u got alot of tire info ... where u from maybe 1 day yam cha...
vios2002
post Oct 28 2009, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Oct 27 2009, 10:57 PM)
haha got info... no la... talk a lot with gang... i'm from USJ... have a gang who like tire and grooming... we are having TT every month... smile.gif

Bro CheeAnn... i know, all PP series tire will not have soft side wall... PP or PP2 same cos i used both b4
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so bro when is the coming next yam cha? maybe i can join....
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post Oct 28 2009, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(fazron80 @ Oct 27 2009, 11:28 PM)
Also genting-batang kali road. Be very-very careful. ALways on the lookout for anything strange on the road.
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last time me & my friend got go batang kali to test tire too but 1st 1~2 run was check the road condition ... the road was very smooth but some time got falling branch or falling land ... becarefull
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post Oct 28 2009, 01:55 PM

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yngwie,
Federal they got few type range from
Semi slick 595 Rs-R performance very close to Toyo R888 on track and the best is alot cheaper the toyo

Street 595 Evo i think cheapest street performance tire, Im using now

Street 595 SS ppl say for drift use ... but saw some MPV using it...


bizzy,
since AD08 is over price why not give a try on Kumho performance is very close to AD08 and price is about half of them ... that subject to size too cause i only check for 15'

another tire is toyo R888 cheaper then AD08 performance is alot better the AD08...

If u all the time is corner kaki try to look for low number UTQ grade >200
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:47 PM

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@michael9413,
I can say cheap i get the federal 595 Evo at RM198 pc i dint trade in my old tire...

Last time my old car i use Dunlop & goodyear tire with super hard rubber like taxi driver use cheap cheap good good .... then upgrade to Yokohama A-drive then chop shop tire ... yokohama DNA/ES100 and dunlop something also chop shop ... go genting no issue even from chop shop maybe make in japan... then now Federal 595EVO

before buying 595Evo i was looking for Goodyear RS sport ... every hard to find then look for toyo R1r... price issue ...then 595Rs-R i was worry wet road and high wear rate cause semi slick rubber and i think with 180UTQ ... then skip...

Im still looking for GY RS sport...any idea where got for 15"?
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post Oct 28 2009, 06:21 PM

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@michael9413,
if u wan test 595evo can ... maybe TT and some open place ...hehe
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post Oct 31 2009, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(yngwie @ Oct 31 2009, 11:10 AM)
i am currently looking at other alternative. seems like 205/55/r15 is quite rare here.
no slick tyre for now cuz they sux' during rainy season  sweat.gif
currently using S.Drive(rear), besides, i can't find the softer looking Yokohama Avid H4S.
does the Federal available in that size? where did you bought yours from?
me 'kaki corner' depending on mood  brows.gif  but i need the tyre as a replacement for my daily ride.
hence, it's only 15"  tongue.gif 
btw, a friend recommend me a barum bravuris but i've had a bad experience with that tyre before.....
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Bro i thinkfor size u need to check Federal web page...
current i using 595evo size 195/55/15 but after install look like 205/55/15 ..

this month Hypertune magazine got some review on Federal 595Evo tire on their demo ride subaru Ver8... more review in next month as they say will go for track testing....

yesterday came back from outstation ... will write more info and feedback ... very heavy rain in highway..
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post Nov 6 2009, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(fazron80 @ Nov 5 2009, 08:05 PM)
How much price you get the federal tires. Tomorrow I'll be changing my tires. Looking for v12 but your tyre size matches my tyre too so if price is ok i;ll consider it too.
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bro nice to see u try out 595evo tire...
last week i was coming back from outstation ... that day the sky was very dark in day time ... dry time i was doing 100~110/kmh then when almost reach senawang area the rain fall was very heavy ... i reduce speed ... slow traffic ...

when road clear ... start to push increase speed ... doing 130/kmh.. when saw got some water clog at the fast lane ... try to run over it ... when approach the steering pull abit then it grip back in the road ... #dont try on deep water clog# some things bad may happen...

after that less and less water clog then i continue push and push ... in front of me was a red persona... high beam him to move off but fail then very close tail gate him till he was scare off ... then he move off... i continue push .. average was doing 150~170kmh ... grip was good ... then there was a car accident on the road ... slow down then tire grip was ok too dint feel slide even apply medium brake force ...

when coming to nilai ~ KLIA corner ... normally in dry road was doing 140~150/kmh... that corner was wet that time ... rain too .. that time i slow down abit and taking that corner 120/kmh ... it slide during entering then i start to push in the corner feel some G-force ... it grip well too... wet road all the time stay away white & yellow line...

wet/rain test drive on 595Evo ... becarefull when driving in the rain...
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post Nov 6 2009, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Oly @ Nov 6 2009, 11:36 AM)
if deep water clog even pp2 anr re001 will slide abit...NEVER EVER TRY TO RUN OVER WATER CLOG
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yes i agree DONT RUN OVER WATER CLOG...

Raining season now ... dont push your luck till the edge ...
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post Nov 15 2009, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(nestum @ Nov 13 2009, 09:20 PM)
AD08 = KING!

the steering respon r quicker...
u can go in corner very accurately...even with original satria neo suspension(my customer)...

in japan...AD08 r much more famous compare with RE11 BS...
1 of the japan salesman told me!
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AD08 is very good tire but the price is over price i think to have same performance Kumho Ecsta XS KU36 perform and respond as good as AD08 and also half the price thumbup.gif
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post Nov 30 2009, 03:28 PM

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currently using 595evo after been using some time i wan to change some wheel setting.

I notice the tire outer wear off higher then my inside tire...

current setting is camber 1.5 maybe later will try camber 1.8~2.0 to reduce the outer wear uneven ...

will i reduce the braking performance in strait line due to the higher camber setting?
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post Dec 15 2009, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(banzai @ Dec 1 2009, 03:10 PM)
up to -2, you won't feel much lesser braking force.
if -3 then you will feel it.
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Thanks for the advise, been using this -2 camber setting for more then 1k mileage ... for cornering feel can push more and entering cornering at even more speed...

but i notice another things is strait line is not very stable if the road is not smooth very easy to pull from left side or right side pull here and there mad.gif rain time even worse more pulling ...

my setting is -2 camber & toe is 0

maybe will try to reduce the camber to -1.8 see how things do biggrin.gif

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post Dec 23 2009, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Dec 20 2009, 11:59 PM)
wow...ur tires wear out nicely??....no makan inside since ur camber -2....
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biggrin.gif now been using about 3k km... inside tread wear like normal.. outer the tread wear have reduce as now still using -2 camber setting... entering corner can carry more speed even braking in the mid corner feel stable in control but if carry too much speed in corner and apply braking ... the rear end abit loose...

-2 camber really geng...

this 595evo tire if use in the long term highway can notice the tire meld down very stickey...semi slick tire feel... so far tread wear is very smooth...
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post Jan 6 2010, 01:19 PM

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what is the different between v12 & v12 evo tire?
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post Jan 18 2010, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jan 18 2010, 11:27 AM)
nice guide, thanks a lot  thumbup.gif
does those ultra high performance tires wear off faster than those normal performance or entry level tires? or it should depend on the tyre brand and model?
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yes it will wear out faster that depend how u drive and use ...If all the time attack corner max 15k kmh that happen to me
Ultra high performance tire normally their UTQG is from 180 to 240 for this type of tire it offer very high grip level
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post Jan 25 2010, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(DreMAx @ Jan 25 2010, 12:30 PM)
I need some suggestion for my Wira's tyre change. Anyone care to share 175/70/r13?
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try Yokohama A drive....
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post Jan 28 2010, 11:00 AM

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what is the PP2 UTQG rate?

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