Transformers: Pretenders

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Transformers 2 was a great show, I don't mind watching a few times.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jul 5 2009, 06:21 PM

what are you talking about? Leo is an important character without him, there wouldnt be a conspiracy site that operates to divulge secrets about the alien incursion 2 years back and also his relationship with Simmons wouldnt have formed. How would Sam have found Simmons otherwise? Its very easy to nitpick but please remember the fundamental aspect with the TF galaxy, its aliens transforming into everyday human vehicles,thats why they are called robot in disguise? Without human interaction its simply detached,the next so called hardcore fan who wants to disagree with me can go and watch G1 tv series/Marvel comic/Manga versions and also any current literature. Dont bring up the crap hardcore fans would agree with you, most of the times someone says that and nitpick and when some of us show them where they are wrong,they'll just act indifferent and go on telling people how the movie is horrible or otherwise call you a M.BAY fan, no offense to you. The point axzel made is clear even without much human interaction and more screentime for the TFs it'll still be more than 2 hours, and i dont think the TF's need that amount of screentime because they have already been thoroughly described in G1,novels,comic books,cartoon series for over 20 odd years, you dont need repetition unless you were living under a rock for all these years and all of a sudden became defensieve because the movie didn't honor something you barely remember watching when you were three, and those who have been following Tf universe for that long(True Blooded Fans), would know that in every adaptation there will be those robots in huge numbers with no name nor background dying in fights which we called kelefei, same goes with the first movie where Megatron killed that unknown TFs in cybertron.


Why would i wanna know who they are,what were their occupation before being killed cold blooded by Megatron. I dont see nobody complaining about any random orc killed in LOTR Return of The King with no screen-time depicting his likes,dislikes,his aspirations among other things.

Update: 10 days at box office and already breaking most of the records

Domestic: $268,737,000 {52.8%} + Foreign: $240,178,819 {47.2%} = Worldwide: $508,915,819

Seems the release of Public Enemies or Ice Age 3 is not affecting its earning either.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 5 2009, 11:39 PM

We the TFers need more people like you to teach others a lesson!! haha way to go !!

walaoyeh. Self proclaimed TFers...

Haha what i mean is TF fans .. keke ... of course self proclaim la .. or else others label u ah ..

I LOLed at the border checkpoint "problem" he mentioned. After I responded I OMGed the whole nite to find out some viewers DO need to be spoonfed that deep.

imagine this scene in a typical movie:

scene 1: Ali is eating rice on the dining table
scene 2: Ali is on the couch playing PS3, and the plates washed lying next to the sink.

Common sense told us that Ali might have washed the plate and then proceed to play his PS3. But there exist SOME viewers who might asked "Wow... how did Ali managed to end up playing the PS3. Who washed the plates for him? I don't see his parents around!"

Common sense also let us know Ali has hands and legs and is a typical boy who is ABLE to do housechores with no difficulty. There need not be extra boring scenes on Ali doing his dishes.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jul 6 2009, 11:19 AM

Exactly, you just pointed out how ridiculous those questions are, and to think the original poster took the time to post it up here. For what, may I ask?

The beauty in many movies is that it teaches something new. From TF2 , I never know whats a railgun and its weakness and all. Typical audience wanted to be made known of it so that they wanted complete understanding with no doubts whatsoever by the movie itself, within the limited duration of 2 hours +/- 30 minutes.

Since we're NOT watching 24, I bet the battle scenes between the bots and decepts last longer than 1 hour (but only condensed to less than 30 min). Some audience even question how easy for the deceps to be killed in such short "time". thats movie-watcher-time, NOT the exast timeline in the movie itself.


In most movies involve church wedding, we see it happened and ended in less than 15 minute (with main focus on bride and groom on the altar , ready for their vows). In a real church wedding I been to, I sat there for 2 hours ++ before the groom finally kiss the bride. I dont "impose" this kinda of thinking and criticise wedding scenes in movies are "misleading" coz it doesnt "show all".

Yes, yes I agree with that as stated before. My question was why did you post those questions/answers up, did you take it from somewhere or did you come up with those questions yourself so you can give those "smart" answers?

it just do. its a science fiction. Do appreciate the fiction part of it.
Well thank for clearing this out, kinda explain why i am born as a boy and not a girl, it just happen

if it appears in the movie, means it can. Its a matter of whether your mind is open to such new idea or not. Original transformers from G1 series have Pretenders:- robots in human-shell.
Well first of all its not new idea, its from the terminator. Secondly is not about open mind, it just feel weird and strange. Maybe you feel awesome about it, but not me, although i am subjective to that since is my personal opinion thou.

it is established that in the first movie, when the cube touches the vending machine, it turns into robot. Same goes for the "presentation" in S7, where the energy channeled into the phone cause it to turn into robot too. Why would he bother waste time to check out the stuff he already knew?
Err.. i am not refering to the little mini robots, i am refering to the buring shard.While i recall correctly, it doesnt actually burn right at the first movie? If i were him, i would had take note of that shard which suddenly burn on me and not just give that shard to my girlfriend? At least i would ask bumblebee about it? Nah it just me, trasformer was a movie after all.

thats your presumption. Not until Demolishor is killed, Prime and gang doesnt know about the "fallen" nor his intention. And they sure doesnt know a tiny shard can still store so much information.
Hmm.. i still remember at the graveyard part where prime told to himself that sam know more and will be part of the war that he could ever imagine, unless i interpreted it wrongly? Seem like prime know lot of thing which he ignore to do to prevent?

Yep.Its its another bigger piece of the allspark.
Thank for confirming this one.I was a bit blur that time with so many scene and flashes fight all in one go.

The fallen knew only descendent of the primes can kill him. How can The fallen be amazing? your presumption again? Btw, the fallen also knew prime pwns 3 deceps before he got killed. I can also presume the fallen also kinda "scared" seeing ONE autobot can be "amazing".
Well it does seem that the fallen was amazing haha... maybe this go a bit to my presumption, but they are not at all fall short in army right? After prime death, the fallen summon lot of other deceps to earth wasnt he? He can just get more deceps to pin on optimus if he was such a threat to him.

since you knew transformers can project human holograms/drivers, the twins can also apply the same and maybe project a fake family sitting inside them. How can you "assume" the twin cars have no humans inside, yet "able" to pass through the checkpoint?
Well that make perfect sense, haha... but i heard that darn simmon told that small general that he and his family which include the other three, in the same car, dont the general suspect on the other cars drivers? Although is not major plot hole so let's just let it go

8.Hmm... transformer can teleport? That's new to me.
Again thank for confirming this, this is something i can openly accept, i feel its cool too.

They got the "doctor" that is able to squeeze the info out from Sams head. Are you sleeping during the scene where Sam got kidnapped and halfway being "diagnosed" by the Doctor before the autobots crashed in just in time?
So you mean that the map was in sam head right? The decep know how to read the language and will exactly know the direct way to the machine. Sam dont know, so he will need to rely on jet to help them with the tips right? Make lot of sense, thank

It turn to dust so simple-minded people can feel its 'useless". but Sam use his instincts and knew there's more to it. he scooped it into his sock. Its only WEIRD because your are not willing to accept such new idea. The idea is... not anyone can simply find, and then own/hold the matrix. they must do something "great" to gain the matrix and use it,literally. I think the dust is nothing (just for show show), even if Sam didnt carry the dust.. if only he does sacrifice for the autobot's cause, the matrix might magically appear for him again in a physical form.
Ahh.. you make it so deep man... although i am not trying to block new ideas, but the presentation was very weak to implement the idea you have, i agree with your thinking of the reception of instancts and believes something to get hold of the biggest thing, but I cant feel it at all. Maybe is just me, all the combat scene close up all the presentation for the honor fight and believes.

Why cant he comes to life? because its impossible from humans point of view in their earthly believes/thinking/religion? Think out of the world please. We're seeing a movie involving interplanetary aliens.
I know, but wasnt there better way to do this? I mean is better not die, just temporary coma while sam was dreaming or something with the primes, and wake back up, that would be better than having him all dead with everyone crying etc, then revive like an angel kissing his gf. I dont know, maybe again is just me, sorry for being so close minded. It didnt make much sense to me, as i wanted to try hard to see and feel his sacrify would mean something to the plot and hold big refection to his action, but i just fail to feel it

The secret weapon is so secret that on few people knows about it. Simmons do, and blurted it out. Im sure the aircraft carrier knew how critical is the situation with the decepticons attacking here and there. Do they have a choice?
I can see your point there. It would make more logical sense that the weapon was use directly from orders of a much believable person, getting coordinates from that simmons which able to convince him the opportunity ranther than simmons just directly buzz into that aircraft carrier person in charge which he hardly knows. I mean there is lot of way to do it for more convincing and believable plot, but this one is like "Huh, like that also can?"

Wait? huh? Did you actually saw a scene where all of the humams (army) .. cross their legs and arms and said "hhmm.. ok. we give up. let autobots take it from here. We wait" ? LOL. Why do you keeps presuming the stuff that cant be proven?
I am particularly pointing at that strong secret weapon, it make lot of sense if that thing need to recharge. Wasnt it better if simmons give another coordinate of the machine and the person in charge told him that they need like an hour to recharge? With such straight forward action movie, I dont think its a wise intention to let viewer to make so much assumption on our own?

The weapon needs time to recharge. They have no choice again, and might attack through other means. At the same time, the autobots do their part too. It's only coincidence Jettimus prime able to take down the sun harvester before the humans do.
Yah, is good to see this point.

14. The fallen look very stronge with his telekinesis power that can make an AOE lifting of all the vehicle and drop them down at ease. Why Optimus kill him so easily? Like no fight at all.
The last battle was not even more than 5 mins counting after optimus prime destroy the machine. Adding another fews minute with human trying to help bring the fallen down wasnt that bad right? Just like how on the first movie that prove human are there to defend too. Hardly seen it here even at the very last moment of the movie.

this is arguable. How do you know prime is mildy recovered? The allspark revived megatron and he is in his peak and powerful speeding up from seabed and hitting the submarine,then flew to outer space, just like a rebirth + greater power. The matrix of leadership revived prime. Even though he doesnt behave like "OMG look at me.. Im very strong and powerful. lemme test my firepower/kicks /punches heehaa!" after he awoken, doesnt mean the energy inside him = "mild". Dont compare sentient robots "recovery method" = sick humans just ate medicine and feeling a bit "better". Please think out of the box.
Err.. ok he might not be mildly recover, but still, it does make him seem like super robot, maybe cause by the fast killing of the fallen, lead to me that this battle should be much longer. It would be awesome that optimus fight a tough battle together with human rather than he himself owning everything, but that just my opinion and is exclusive to myself.

The scenario is blur coz ur absortion method is weak. Try improve your memory and attention next time
My absorbtion are just fine, just that some people can absorb something which other cant. Everyone got this own perception on something, not every thing can be absord blindly.

Anyway, thank for the clarification too.

alanyuppie, it appears you are only answering to the questions posted by one member here. My apologies, I've mistaken your post and it seems you're only helping the other members here.

This post has been edited by The Hardest Thing In The World: Jul 6 2009, 11:45 AM

I didnt come up with the questions. I merely responded to jenniferjen inside her qoute box. its tedius if each and every question must be reqouted in a new box . There are 1 or 2 explanations which I was enlightened by other forumers as well, like the railgun which I never knew has a "recharging" period.

Yes, I realised that now and have apologized. Please see the post above yours.

This post has been edited by The Hardest Thing In The World: Jul 6 2009, 11:48 AM

Wow....I never knew ppl. watching TF2 got that many questions to ask..Since I'm not a fan of Transformers....I never expected a decent storyline, or too much logical stuff...I just saw it for the action...and Bay delivered it well..yeah, some scenes are questionable...but all in all...its one of the best pop corn flick this year for me ...only thing is I'm pissed off with TGV for cutting 15mins off the show for advertisements and schedulings

GSC is da best, but i watched first time at TGV Cheras Selatan. The TGV there did not cut anything since i rewatched at GSC again lol...

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This post has been edited by xin: Jul 6 2009, 12:45 PM

Good for you if ROTF is your type of movie,but no point crying over a spilled milk if you hate it.Personally I don't hate it but neither nor like it.It's just sad this year for summer blockbuster is dominated by ROTF as I find it a little undeserving for the quality of entertainment it offers.To fully enjoy it just leave your brain out when watching it.No point to find fault for plot hole as the main objective is to overdose eye candy to what your brain can comprehend.

If I were a real Transformers fan as many here proclaim to be, I'd be even more pissed at how badly Bay mishandled the movie.