I hope the 3rd instalment will introduce not just dinobots, but even more combiners and base-formers like Metroplex and Trypticons.

No no... in TF1... a robot transformed from a handphone in sector 7 gone berserk , but its not a decepticons OR autobot. It's merely a newborn robot which behave and attack wildly (survival instincts, perhaps?) . Same goes for the mountain dew vending machine bot.

Same goes for the electrical appliance-bots. It'll attack anyone and anything in its sight,regardless of their faction/robots or humans.

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Added on June 29, 2009, 11:47 amNope. they're NOT equal to each other. Just like humans, robots also need MORE than one element to survive, not just energon (which provides energy, perhaps?).


energon = energy (fried chicken,rice,vege)
matrix/allspark = physical "form" of soul? Maybe human soul is invisible... but robot "soul" can be seen just like those CGI effects in TF2 ?




This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jun 29 2009, 11:47 AM

Yes. I hope the "past" can be expanded to fit in the dinobots.

Maybe in 17000bc or much earlier.... some protoforms landed on earth,scanned a few dinos, and roam around bullying the other dinos... When comet hits d earth and killed the rest of the original organic dinos, they also go down with it.. but of course with their non-organic shell/body.. they doesn't "disintegrate" so easily, simply might be buried somewhere underground, deactivated.


And TF3 might start the story of the "uncovering" of a shocking fossils of the dinobots? woohooo..

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jun 29 2009, 11:53 AM

Soundwave is the communication experts in decepticons.. also needs to make physical contact aka raba raba with the satellite to grab/hack information of out it. Why can't he simply use his "skills" to intercept whatever signals coming into/out of the satellite without touching that satellite. Even human hacker can "hack" wirelessly. fail!

Decepticons been on earth for MANY,MANY,MANY years, hiding in human midst. Don't you think its not enough for them to "track" and report back the progress of human development in communications to finally break their codes ? Maybe hours after Alexandar Graham Bell made his "first" successful phone call, soundwave or other decepticon would've easily analyse this new "human technology" and exploit it. Don't forget, Transformers are a very advanced civilization even at 17000bc.

In the first movie, Blackout and Frenzy doesn't specialise in what soundwave's MAIN and major function.

From the look of it.. soundwave is potrayed to be much "weaker" in this movie.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jun 29 2009, 05:22 PM

Well, undeniably there are many stuff failed to be tied up nicely.

We see some constructicons on board the tanker, ready to do salvaging work. Wow.. finally, they waited for 2 years for a human tanker to set course passing through the abyss where megatron is dumped (I though such place is restricted and guarded heavily by the navy? how come a tanker can easily pass through it?). I think soundwave is helping in "diverting" the route of the tanker to help the constructicons. But prior to the tanker departure from the port, don't the crew double check its cargo ? If I'm the ship crew or dock staff, I will be shocked to find out there are "additional" construction vehicles on the tanker, and demand to know its origin before giving a green light for the tanker to depart.

Well, considering the nature of decepticons to be violent. The most logical explanation would be, those cons torch the port/dock and killed everyone.. then transform into vehicles and went onboard the tanker. then soundwave helps "reprogram" its route to go salvage megatron.

He said that from TF1 movie... its understood many of the world's technology were reverse engineered from NBE1-1 aka Megatron. THis means most electrical and electronics appliances big or small.. will have some NBE-1 "signature" or characteristic:- which is ... violent. So when allspark "activates" them into bots... the very first characteristic they show would be... megatronic aka .... kill kill kill!

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Added on June 29, 2009, 5:55 pmNo.. that was my opinion. others may have more logical opinions. I think megatron's manisfestation of most electronic or electrical tools we use today wont be that "deep".

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jun 29 2009, 05:56 PM

Well talking about being a 'bot or 'con. The movie potrays decepticons face as insect-like (especially their mouth), and autobots, much less so. I wonder if a con defect and becomes the autobot, will he will becomes "more handsome" over time? Wonder how many years it take.

Maybe as soon as the autobot insignia is official wired/welded onto the ex-con (pun intended).... a certain "restructuring" happens to the overall face of that bot , a few sparks here and there... finally he looks better now .

"Welcome to the autobots!"

"Thank you optimus, can you borrow me a mirror? "

How thick the dam was, its no use when they have a tunnel from the surface leading to NBE-1 that ngam ngam slightly wider than his wingspan , conviniently allowing him to transform into jet mode and fly out using it after he "wakes up" without scratching his wingtips. its like the tunnel was "tailor" made for megatron to escape quickly.

TF has established fanbase and die-hard fans contributing to the ticket sales.

Transformers are highly sophisticated machinery, and we're talking about the LEADER, whose MAIN alternate mode is an ALIEN-JET. We don't based his thrusters on the "less capable" human-technology thruster. Its like asking why all alients UFO in movies able to escape earth's gravitation pull. They just can, cause they're alien with (assumingly) highly advanced technology than us.

There are other stuff worthy of nickpick though

Back then megatron WAS a gun. In this movie, megatron IS an ALIEN-JET. If an alien-jet FROM a highly advanced civilisation (compare The Primes ability to build Sun harvester on earth vs prehistoric humans 17000BC), JUST RESURRECTED by allspark (read:Fresh/full of energy) unable to perform interplanetary travel, then it would be more laughable.

TGV's growth been "stunted" these days. In many newly opened malls... GSC managed to succesfully opened cinemas there. I guess TGV have to make do with whatever halls they got. Cashcows like TF2 needs to be milked to the max... The only way to cram more showtimes per day in limited halls would be "reducings" its running time.

That's the burden of having the whole epic battle speed up to match "human years".

We humans waged battles for dozens of years, then either one gives up or both faction simply come to their senses.

But autobots and decepticons been waging wars for millions of years. Im sure there are typical bots thousands of years old or older. Even Prime lead autobot far longer. And suddenly on earth, we see nearly half of the transformers easily "injured" and killed in less than a day's length of battle. Even the big devastator himself.

Umm I see pretty disturbing TF2 goofs in imdb.com

there are human pilot visible in starscream, and drivers for constructicons, and treat it like a movie flaw. Don't they know transformers can generate hologram of humans on their driver seat to avoid suspicion?

critics always view aliens from a human-centric angle. Humans gotten used to machines and metals being lifeless, a tool to be used (from a hammer to a jet plane) . When alien life forms that "happens" to be made from metal and not flesh/organic... typical humans thinks is OUTRAGEOUS for them to have soul/life/reproduce/breath like they do.

They should think of out the box.

Some people mind are closed to new ideas.Luckily movies (director) doesnt think this way.

imagine 70 years ago... movies on aliens are all about ..

- alien usually ugly, big head, green
- came using UFO... most of the time its shaped like a saucer
- alien came only to kill mankind.

If modern alien movies are all about the above and nothings change.. those who liked the "old" way and comment the rest of the new ideas are preprosterous (aliens mate with humans, aliens befriend little boys rather than kill them, aliens made from metal, aliens have emotions and cry, aliens have own heaven/hell*), its pretty hard to reason with such closed minded audience.


* why not? considering aliens are like humans .. having their own planets/civilisation/social system/religion/faction.

Audience that still have earth-ly mindset might as well try NOT to watch movies related to outerspace and extre-terrestrial. too much "new ideas" hard to digest:- easily being labelled "ridiculous" coz brain refuse to open up. Stay on earth and watch "Earth-movies" better which we all can relate too (sinking ships with uber love story anyone?)

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jul 2 2009, 06:02 PM

I personally dislike the bots mimicing humans too. Jetfire's geezer looking with walking stick, wheelie's perverted motor-mouth.

2 years has passed between the first and second movie timeline. Human military might have gain progress in inventing more powerful weapons that works on hurting the transformers. It would be the logical move since Earth's safety is concerned. Don't think the military stay "dumb dumb" and say "ahhhh.. the autobots can take K of the decepticons, let us continue to built flimsy weapons to target human terrorist instead!"

And if you didnt sleep through the battle scenes, it doesnt take a "few human bombs". It took continuos bombardment after bombardment by the human military using all possible arrays of weaponry, tanks , jet planes and so on. And some of the decepticons that fought are protoforms (fragile mode), just landed from outer space. Don;t think they're realy that "hard" to kill.

By not sleeping through the battle scenes, you will find out some deceps were taken down by autobots (Prime > Grindor, Bee > Ravage and Rampage), rather than by the humans (military) alone.

And finally, if you wake up at the finale (you did, didnt you?).... you will find out that Megatron and Starscream injured, YET survived.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jul 2 2009, 07:37 PM

Thats the plot. its not a plothole. he made a mistake by not having it "dealt with" properly . that further causes the "commotion" and destruction. Maybe a typical college boy ignorance (trusting good old gf MUCH more than anyone else in the whole wide world).

You don't "impose" what you are mature enough to do and be applied to the characters in the movie.

it's like watching a teen rape movie and then said... "ooh thats a blatant plothole, If I'm her, I wouldn't walk to the alley alone, I would call my mom to pick me up from clubbing! THAT'S A BLATANT OBVIOUS should be dealt with". Yeah if the obvious is dealt, with.. its not a "rape movie" anymore, its a "teen girl's first clubbing experience that end up safely" movie.


Btw the shard already caused his brain to be "encoded" with those cybetronian symbols/codes. Regardless of whether the shard is in Fox's hand or in the autobots safekeep, The decepticons are still gonna hunt him down and "take apart" his brain.

Yea. soundwave main trademark is his G1 voice. And I hope he really can do more than just float there . If decepticons already mobilized, he should too (extra con in the battle, extra threat) , especially when he is done "with his task" of sending out the message. Same like the receptionist in the malls. Sometimes in peak hours , those ladies come to the counter and help the cashier pack up things to reduce the queue line. hehe.




Well, definition of "too extreme" is very subjective to different viewers.

From your perception, I guess Titanic shouldn't even last that long, as both the "lovebirds" should be more mature/less horny in the beginning and NOT entangle themselves with each other , which causes further story development that focus mainly on their escape and finally with one dead. If they just practice self-control/maturity/moral values, Jack would be able to escape as an single individual , same goes for Rose. Their "dilly dally"/holding back each other might caused such tragic outcome (you jump I jump, etc. ) . "Titanic" after all, won't divert too much from its title/intended story :- The movie can still tell a story on various other colourful characters in that ship in their struggle to escape the cursed ship.