in the novel they shared some intel about weakspots and also armour, and a few pointers how to make the human artilleray better at attacking decepticons,there were 2 scientists that were using a mini emp gun to sting macerator,that rendered his guns useless but this emp stings have to be administered at close range. They used alot of prototype guns and stuffs on decepticons in Transformers: The veiled threat, the decepticons even made Optimus get washed away by Angel Falls. However even in the novel,the autobots never revealed how their weapon system functioned,they just say they have the ability to generate unlimited amount of firepower at a given time, the guy in the movie specifically asked about how the weapon system worked and optimus was reluctant to share knowledge about it. I think, sector seven knows all this stuff but thanks to simmons,all their research is in his hands only so NEST has to start everything from scratch.

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Added on June 28, 2009, 3:23 pmhe just stayed on the US military satellite, he must have left with Megatron and Starscream, they might make this a fact on the next novel just what they did with Barricade's disappearance from the first movie.


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 28 2009, 03:23 PM

i disagree, its still transformers movie, there are so many versions of the story,even the comic books,novels and cartoon series depict different settings, different characters, different timeline. This transformers franchise is loosely based on all the prior works,the problem with transformers even before the movie adaptation is because of different authors penning different takes on the story, take Transformers: The War Within for example it talks about how optimus as a researcher being given the title prime by the council, and him disputing that there is no sub conscious called Prime in their mainframe, he even asks all the autobots to evacuate cybertron calling the war not worth fighting for, making the de facto leader grimlock angry. In the series its way different as after optimus dies,grimlock the leader of the dinobots control the autobots there. In order to fully understand a movie which is based on all this different storyline is something hard to do, and if you were to make a remake of an already established series isnt that repetition? whats the fun in that? didnt we see that movie in the 80ies?. Ermm The fallen has already been established as the first decepticon ever made, read the novels, he was even instrumental in taking over Cybertron when Optimus and Megatron went missing via the Space Bridge freak accident, Jetfire was in charge of the autobots then.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 28 2009, 05:35 PM

isnt that what they are doing in Iran and Afghan in the war lol? people keep forgetting its an american movie plus MB wouldnt have gotten those shots with military gear if not for the US military willingness to contribute for some promotional purposes through Bay's movies. If they shot in Malaysia,and the Malaysian military gave their equipment as props wouldnt that say something along the lines of "mess with Malaysia get screwed sideways?" on second thought, with Malaysian jets and choppers going down for mysterious reasons i doubt Bay would ever use any of our gear

Spike wasnt a minor character mate, remember bumblebee begged his family to fix him up and also optimus passed him the creation matrix which he gave life to Jetfire, there is so many instances where Buster helped the autobots and vice versa especially his dad Sparkplug who also managed to modify the autobots to process raw fuel as energy at the absence of energon, i feel that the novels,comic books and the series has given me an in depth information about the autobots and the decepticons not to mention the predacons aswell, some of us dont need repetition again like i stressed who would want to watch something repetitive?

Ermm, well i dont know this is very subjective i can see all the facial expression even on the first movie especially optimus's worried face, in one scene where he asks sam to come down while looking for the glasses. Bumblebee can speak at the end of the movie he says, "permission to speak sir,i wish to stay with the boy", in the second movie Mikaela asks Sam if Bumblebee's voice is acting up again. Even in the Transformer: The War Within its been revealed that The fallen is the bad ass,the first bad ass decepticon, dont worry that doesnt mean Megatron is just a protege only, he is the current leader anyways. Ermm didnt Ironhide speak in all shots involving him? Well if there are 20 robots fighting each other,its quite hard to give each and everyone of em screen time to intro themselves,IMHO thats what the supplementary novels and past work like series and comic books are for.

Ermm Frenzy has been around since G1 la brader, read the Marvel Transformers, Buster defeats him with a robot suit made by ironhide. Doctor is not dumb he is just merely a tool, more like a ratchet on the decepticon side but smaller. Well choices in a movie is up to the screen script writers, i felt those scenes were nice but you feel otherwise so its truly subjective.

Ermm, not really, dont agree with your notion that they dont have facial expression remember,in the tv series its 2D if there are no expressions in 3D,then there are relatively no expression in 2D. Theres a high detail of expression on all the main characters especially Optimus,Bumblebee,Megatron,Starscream,The twins and all of em. I gave one example above, there are many scenes that potray facial expression but again they are relatively alien robots so i dont think its okay for us to assume they would also developed a set of non verbal expression? hell that'll make them human like no?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 28 2009, 09:09 PM

lol he even made it sound convincing that Buster Witwicky is just a minor character and has no significant value in the old cartoon series,despite me proving him otherwise.

Optimus is after all a prime which is not weak in the cybertronian language. He has gotten stronger in the past years,Ironhide modified all his weaponary. Read Transformers: The veiled threat. and dude its not Blackout its grindor,two different bots here man.

sigh,watch again the first movie,after fighting with Barricade, Barricade just pengsan like that,there were sparks coming out of Barricade. I dont get why people expect autobots to be loser-bots all the time,sigh.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 28 2009, 11:21 PM

theres a reason why its called a prequel novel? cmon its not only transformers that work this way,its 2 and half hours taakan the part where optimus gets an upgrade or how Simmons steal all the documents from sector 7 be shown too? in that sense the movie will be more than 4 hours d. Here's something to refresh your memory:


Barricade after being owned by bumblebee,1st movie.

this is a classic example of,autobot are loser-bots and decepticons are god like. I'm guessing you never really followed the series,novels or the comic books. Look up Grimlock,Defensor,Ironhide and Bumblebee in those literature you'll see how strong they are. Even in the first movie Bumblebee took down barricade effortlessly. And the Fallen cmon,he is so freaking old and did mention he can only be defeated by a prime so theres no surprise there plus,the prime plus jetfire combo really make him stronger what,sigh if you failed to see all this and factor all this togather you'll forever think decepticons are stronger. heres a scenario if autobots are forever loser bots how could the war in cybertron last for ages? wouldnt the decepticon win the war and theres no more story after that? The whole point of this franchise is depicting 2 races of robots of equal strength fighting on a war for eons.

haha ey remember Jetfire and Ironhide look menacing too man. one scene i would have loved is Jetfire having a dogfight with Starscream,Blackbird one on one with a Raptor that'll blow my mind away man

We repeatedly answered this many times before, soo im assuming you didnt watch the first movie or did not pay attention to it, every technology by products be it cars,electronic gadgets,photostat machines,computers etc etc were made mimicking NBE-1 aka Megatron so his consciousness or his schematics were transfered unknowingly to all these machines.

Yeap,exactly without energon they cannot power the new underlings.

ermm you do know that,the satellite he hacked is not a normal satellite with no security encryption. Unless you physically hack it theres no way you'd crack the security,if it just intercepts the signal it'll be unable to decipher it as he is not familiar with the way the signal is synthesized, probably you'd be better off happily watching eagle eye.

yeah he still is, even in cybertron he is super advanced, but again landing firmly on reality if you were to invade an alien planet,no matter how backwater their technology is you'd have to physically study it in order to mimic or to influence it to do your bidding. Remember even in the first movie,both frenzy and Blackout hacked the US military servers manually to get to witwicky and also initiate the virus that crippled all communications. This movie isnt about magic, its about everyday conventions.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 29 2009, 05:11 PM

hmm wait, if thats the case they would have known where the ALLSPARK and Megatron was hidden in the first place? they only found out later on only in the first movie after a physical hack by frenzy and Blackout,that being said its not possible for the decepticons to have been able to break or understand the codes eventho they have been staying here for the longest time, cause all of the US technology is made in secret,unless they infiltrated with a pretender in human form and kept tabs on all the technology in other governments around the world. There was no mention of any decepticon being on the planet apart from wheelie saying those who were on earth were the legends of cybertron,even Jetfire was an autobot and was sent to earth to track the fallen. We dont know for sure if the legends were indeed all decepticons,if that were the case they would have easily tracked down the ALLSPARK location at hoover's dam.

Even if you said that blackout and frenzy dont have specialties like shockwave in the first movie that would mean that Shockwave only recently appeared along with the fallen,so he is still new that means he has to position himself with the military satellite in order to better infiltrate their defense communication.

For this movie,soundwave has been projected as he was in all other previous work, Megatron's highest in command,his communications officer.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 29 2009, 05:45 PM

no i dont remember Optimus saying that to sam its actually agent simmons who told em about the Megatron imprint being in all of earth's technology. Allspark can be used to empower both sides or even the third race,predacons. Its a cube of knowledge, a source of raw power its short circuited Megatron and we have seen that in small amounts it can re activate sparks in dead or motionless bots.

I also want to state that the reason why Optimus cannot be saved with the allspark shard is because his spark is different as he is from the primus lineage,and his powers are"yeap you guessed it, its leadership" so tahts why only the matrix of leadership can restore his spark.

This is mentioned when agent seymour was explaining to the secdef,epps,lennox,mikaela,and also sam along with others in front of Megatron icy self.

In the novel, The Veiled Threat,its been said that they can also mask their insignia,that what they did when the autobots went to puerto rico for a mission.

What i meant by the comment quoted by you is that, if the decepticons were here since lets say the 1800 for example,lets say all modern tech and secret military tech started from that period and the decepticons were keeping track of all of it then it means theres no need for the decepticon to hack the military in the first movie.

IMHO,the transformers being here makes sense if their presence here is meant to curb decepticons looking for the harvester machine. Like guardians or maybe they came to visit just to keep an eye on this civilization just like the movie The Earth Stood Still,where the aliens stayed and kept contact with their planet.

He did say,he was on the mission to stop the fallen if im not mistaken, watched it just now again. I'm beginning to think my above theory is more plausible or maybe sector 7 info wasnt on the security mainframe for quite some time until the first movie,they did keep Megatron and the cube in a safe place for 75 years even the Pentagon except for the president and a few others knew of the sector's existence,sort of like MIB.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 29 2009, 07:32 PM

hmm if Paramount allows it that is haha,the no 1 rule of business is to minimize cost and maximize profits = huge profit margin. Again movies are a gamble,even the biggest budgeted movies fall, we cannot simply assume the third installment with a bigger budget would garner the profit that the studios aspire to achieve, they wouldnt wanna just resort for less profit margin,but hey i'd still watch it regardless.

hmm, well one reason could be the fact that the cube landed in the Arctic pole,the radiation from the aurora is enough and the polarity of our earth magnets to shield the cube's power. i'm assuming all the cybertronians have went elsewhere to look for the matrix,neglected this perhaps?

Again their ability to mask the insignia when needed is present in some literature no? haha even if its prominent on the construction vehicles on the cargo ship,the workers would have probably not noticed it. Jetfire's insignia was at the bottom,it was carefully hidden until mikaela saw it. notice how there are no strange tattoos on the Blackbird body as opposed to Starscream im beginning to think only the higher ranked TFs have those.

hey we have worked on plenty of radiation based nuclear products, probably they kept it in a case that shields the radiation from going out and grabbing the attention of the cybertronians.



This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 29 2009, 11:48 PM

well we didnt need 4 football fields thick walls to protect anti matter at CERN so im guessing its a long term solution to put the cube in the dam rather than keeping it in a radiation proof box that is so ginormous and seeks attention.

i dunnoe how to reply to this? Its another guys idea not yours, and its clear that the original author didnt really have access to all the past literatures,so i find his ignorance amusing? haha.