Exactly. Optimus has to be killed to get rid of him so more screen time can be give to LaBoof, just to list one example. Don't talk to me about his death being a necessity to tell the story of the Primes and the Matrix of Leadership. He could've been revived much earlier instead of the last 10-15 minutes of the show. Instead we get rubbish like LaBoof, tag-along room mate, Porn star and Sector 7 fellow mucking about talking about symbols and then more mucking about in the desert. Horrible.

In other word, is a mess....
Hate ppl tell you to leave your brain home when watching this movie...
Just how do you do that?

Since so many Q & A session here, i also need to ask one question:

Why Megatron only kill Optimus Prime but not to destroy or explore in the battle?

oh and how come when in Narnia 2, azlan only came back at the end of the movie to save the Narnians from the Telmarines? If he had come earlier there would be no need for Prince Caspian to call the kings and queens of olds to come and help the Narnians out of the eminent attack of the Telmarines, and plus there would be no need for the narnians to do a surprise attack at the telmarines castle and get manslaughtered in the process? Why did lucy didnt go find Azlan in the first place? Why didnt that giant river monster or those walking trees help the Narnians at the beginning of the story itself? Why didnt Peter Parker told the scientist that he was bitten by the radioactive spider and get cured immediately? Wouldnt that have prevented Uncle Ben from being killed by the Sandman? Why did the Sandman end up hiding in an experimental area despite seeing the sign that its an experimental area? Dont tell me he cant read,thats utter bullshit. How did those guys escape from the city in AVP2,wouldnt the Nuke Blast radiation disintegrate the flimsy chopper? How did they survive when most of the people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima were killed 50 -60Km from the impact zone after being hit by the bombs. I can go and on and on and on, these are just some of the questions that i could pose if i choose to not follow what the scriptwriters or the original author's idea of a story, you just have to understand this every story is based on an augmented version of reality, things happen for a reason, maybe Peter was afraid he'd be locked up and made into a science experiment or that could be it? Thats my version of it,yours is different but that doesnt mean yours or mine is superior ultimately you have to accept the idea as it is,you can judge it to the cows come home but theres no way you can change a piece of work according to your way.

Once again you're saying as if this movie HAS to happen in such a way, have you ever conside that the story could've been told in another way? Like I've always stated, more robots, less human. This is Transformers after all.

how real can you get? I dont think you get it,there are so many versions of Transformers that there are so many different fans that follow each alterations,so in order to be a true fan you have to follow every single one and own every single piece work or have read it at least once,and there are tons of books,comics,series,toys among other things that has span across 20+ years. What choice has bay has? recreate which version? if he chose one version or the other he'll be bashed by fans of other TF universes, so its only sensible to come up with a new universe (this practice has been utilized by the japanese manga,Marvel UK,Marvel US,Dreamworks,IDW), that incorporates some of each of all the TF alteration. I have people here harping about being a true TF fan with no inkling of any other works apart from G1, how does that make you a true fan? Even if you have been following G1 like you say do,you never really know much of the gist of it all,pretty much some of the ideas are there in the movie you should just look closely.

Once again, you chose the corner that best fit your argument and not what people is actually complaining about. There may be a lot of words in your posts but most of them are not necessary. Like the Narnia and Spiderman stuff you posted.

This post has been edited by The Hardest Thing In The World: Jul 6 2009, 02:42 PM

You can ask Megatron if you managed to locate him. Sometimes we try to be in the shoes of every single character in the movie, as if we make better judgement and better "ways" in handling the situation, and we all are just the audience sitting comfortably in the cinema, who will never "feel" what the characters inside felt.

If I'm Sam in the movie, I would've check myself in a nuthouse after being chased by the cons again and again.
If I'm megatron, I become/pretend more diplomatic and try cooperate with Prime (since he has "good links" with humans/army) to share earth resource while giving them some of the transformers weapons technology. Maybe I start my evil scheme 100 years later when the humans trust us.

If I'm xxx I will do YYY and ZZZ
.......... (yawns)

I think I'm better off become a director than a moviegoer.

its like going to buy a durian and criticise it as... smelly, I want durian to be smell good. The color not nice, why cant durian be blue instead? In the end... I end up tasting and eating it like nobody's business.

I am not a fan, but i still think the story is very weak being told in a movie way.
I dont mind more human, but the progression was too unbelievable.
A lot of time, i fail to laugh at the humour, then a lot of time, i would go like "Like that also can?"
I mean, there is some extend that how story can be just like that, but in transformer and excepted from bay, this is way not up to standard at all.

Again, just personal opinion, not a fact, so is all up to you, i just feel the movie can be better being told in a different way. Just too bad

Pretenders had ship loads of humans in it. Maybe even more than ROTF.

This post has been edited by khelben: Jul 6 2009, 02:50 PM

why cant it happen in the way the writers wanted it to be? so you are saying your version will be wildly accepted with no opposing view? Like i said a piece of work is a piece of work regardless of opposing view. Why are you so judgemental of this movie when every story that has ever been told in this world could have been also have a differently told? Titanic should have been about the ship and the crew instead we get Leonardo and Kate romancing away,the story could have just focused on those poor families there have to resort staying in the bottom decks and as a result died because of the imprisonment by the rich who wanted to save their ass while fleeing off the godforsaken boat. My question is would you have wanted it any other way when it comes to a movie you trully admire? its easy to say something would have been better said a different way just because the original story didnt interest you as much, what about those story that you like? Would you agree if it was told in another way to the extent it changes your original perception of the movie?

Okay im all for not repaeating answers for similar questions.

"My question is would you have wanted it any other way when it comes to a movie you trully admire?"

Nimrod, this is where you fail. You just can't see it that others didn't enjoy this one more than the first one. Again the other words in your post are redundant.
And I said less human not completely devoid of it. Get that straight too.

"Critics don't affect the box office," says Brandon Gray, president of Box Office Mojo. "The bottom line is it's about the premise of the movies and how they're marketed. 'Transformers' is assembled in a way to appeal to as many people as possible. It has all the scenes and plot devices -- well, not plot, actually -- that worked in the past."

Taken from Washingtonpost.com

Well, even they admit that the plot or story is nothing to shout about on. All they wanna market is the actions and CGi for this time on.

why isnt it necessary just because you cant add essence to your argument and have 2 liner comments doent make your argument valid either,you were talking about how this story could have cut corners and avoided this things:



And added the following on how the movie could be told in a different way:



I said similar things using different movies as an example and i presented how it could have been made differently and posted my arguments in a similar fashion as you. And also justified why spidey could have avoided telling the scientist about his pridicament thats my way of telling the story.

No, I suggest you read it all again and try to understand what I'm saying, nimrod.

I still dont think i have failed in this aspect,not just yet. I'm merely saying that when it comes to something you dont like,you would wanna change it but when something is right, you wouldnt want it to be told differently as it'll affect your previous perception of it. I could clearly see alot of people not liking it from the first one but cmon nitpicking isnt valid either, and again you clearly cant digest my explanations and analogies that debunk your theory or perception,im okay with that.

Err thats the thing this premises has been filled with human interaction from the start and has significant amounts of it in previous works for over 20+ years, Spike,Buster, Sparkplug, Daniel have been an integral part of the first movie,G1 series and other works like novels and stuff, even the army as well as the government factions, all im saying is that if you wanted something with less human interaction in it, then pay attention to the past work that only depict Cybertron and its inhabitants as well as the quintessons, primus and unicrons as well as other factions in cybertrons like the predacons. The movie basically depicts the story to have a earth setting similar in fashion with the time the TFs in all other works land on earth and even in those universes there are so many human interactions and they also become an integral part of the story being characters that help both factions of the TFs.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 03:19 PM

You really don't get it do you? Its not at all about how 'true' it is to so and so generation or version or whatever. Its just that as a movie, as a piece of entertainment, as a piece of DUMB summer entertainment, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen f***ing sucks! Now, if I were a fan of the franchise, and I see it being packaged in a piece of filmmaking which just f***ing sucks, I would be absolutely livid, instead of just pissed that I spent money on a pure shit movie as a normal moviegoer. The Star Wars fans hated the prequels, and ROTF is at the very least 10 times worse than Attack of the Clones. Now, is the only possible explanation that the majority of Transformers fans are just....stupid?

This post has been edited by Stupidity Police: Jul 6 2009, 03:33 PM

No, no, no. Can you read?

"Err thats the thing this premises has been filled with human interaction from the start and has significant amounts of it in previous works for over 20+ years, Spike,Buster, Sparkplug, Daniel have been an integral part of the first movie..."(The rest has been snipped for not adding further to substance)

What has this got to do with what I'm saying?

"And I said less human not completely devoid of it. Get that straight too."

Are you serious? How hard is it for you to understand that I want to see more of the robots and less of the humans. How many times must I re-phrase this. I accept that a setting on Earth has to feature humans but they shouldn't take up most of the screen time, leaving Ironhide with one or two lines, just glimpses of those new Decepticons, etc. I seem to repeating because you aren't getting it.

The first one has a better balance over all and that is why you hear most enjoying it. Get it? This quite tiring you know?

Again, it is meant to honor all previous works if not why bother,inserting Space bridge from TF:War Within, Pretenders from G1, AllSpark from Beastwars,The matrix of Leadership from marvel and the first animated movie, i could go on and on,there s so much in this story that derives from so many places. It is your own opinion that the movie sucked big time,bohoo you want to b**** about it go ahead, but dont try to make it a notion even "true" fans or anyone whos not a so called "true" fan would share the same perspective thats just your way of thinking dont expect the vast majority of those who contributed to the massive Worldwide: $591,459,000 earning in a short period of 12 days,to share the same view as you do thats just plain arrogant to think they would perceive the same way you do.

Wow, please can anyone else here tell me that I'm not the only person here who sees nimrod's way of debating a bit flawed. Just read his response to Stupidity Police's post about "it's not all about being true". What?! How old are you nimrod?

This post has been edited by The Hardest Thing In The World: Jul 6 2009, 03:41 PM