Just watched the movie.... got a couple of question

1. How the shard manipulate sam mind and make him become some sort of information for the whereabout of the machine?
2. Why are we seeing a terminator in Transformer movie? Can a transformer in any way, could actually transform into flesh and bones to mimic human? I remember they can do projection in vehicle, but terminator?
3. What sam suppose to questioned what is happening to his kitchen after the shard burn through down to the lower level? Dont he feel curious? The whole house was being bought down..... dont he at least check what is actually happening that just busy himself to college?
4. Presuming Optimus know about the fallen intention, i guess he is actually trying hard to work with human to eliminate any decep activities on earth, to prevent the revenge of the fallen. This bring to the importance of the shard which store the information? Cant they just hid it instead of sam owning it?
5. I cant remember correctly, but the allspark peice that panther lookalike robot stole from the military base was used to revive megatron right?
6. Why did fallen wait for so long for a whole scale attack on earth and threaten to get the location of the machine? With their capabilities seeing 3 deceps can defeat optimus? Adding fallen could be amazing. WHy wait and hid till optimus is dead?
7. If i remember carefully, at the middle to the end, sam was travelling with his fox, his college mate and the old psyco man together also with bumblebee and the 2 other twins car. How they pass through the patrol with the twin car unoccupied?
8.Hmm... transformer can teleport? That's new to me.
9. Knowledge is in sam head, but all i see is the tips from the old transformer robot and some astrology knowledge that lead them to the matrix. So even deceps got their hand on sam, they might not know the machine and matric location as well right?
10. Matrix key was in dust, then reform, why must it make it in dust at the first place? Its look really weird.
11. Sam come back to live? Why? Dont tell me to continue with the story?
12. Anyone can tell me why the person in charge of an aircraft carrier with a devastating secret weapon would listen to some nobody who been kick out from the military and fire at his order?
13. Can they just use the same weapon to destroy the machine or they one got one bullet? Why wait for optimus to do it?
14. The fallen look very stronge with his telekinesis power that can make an AOE lifting of all the vehicle and drop them down at ease. Why Optimus kill him so easily? Like no fight at all.
15. The fallen, starscream and megatron cant take on the mildly recovered but upgraded optimus prime? Weird. I expect, at least a good fight.

I got lot more, but so far, this is the most blur senarios i encounter.

Fun movie, but not great.

it just do. its a science fiction. Do appreciate the fiction part of it.
Well thank for clearing this out, kinda explain why i am born as a boy and not a girl, it just happen

if it appears in the movie, means it can. Its a matter of whether your mind is open to such new idea or not. Original transformers from G1 series have Pretenders:- robots in human-shell.
Well first of all its not new idea, its from the terminator. Secondly is not about open mind, it just feel weird and strange. Maybe you feel awesome about it, but not me, although i am subjective to that since is my personal opinion thou.

it is established that in the first movie, when the cube touches the vending machine, it turns into robot. Same goes for the "presentation" in S7, where the energy channeled into the phone cause it to turn into robot too. Why would he bother waste time to check out the stuff he already knew?
Err.. i am not refering to the little mini robots, i am refering to the buring shard.While i recall correctly, it doesnt actually burn right at the first movie? If i were him, i would had take note of that shard which suddenly burn on me and not just give that shard to my girlfriend? At least i would ask bumblebee about it? Nah it just me, trasformer was a movie after all.

thats your presumption. Not until Demolishor is killed, Prime and gang doesnt know about the "fallen" nor his intention. And they sure doesnt know a tiny shard can still store so much information.
Hmm.. i still remember at the graveyard part where prime told to himself that sam know more and will be part of the war that he could ever imagine, unless i interpreted it wrongly? Seem like prime know lot of thing which he ignore to do to prevent?

Yep.Its its another bigger piece of the allspark.
Thank for confirming this one.I was a bit blur that time with so many scene and flashes fight all in one go.

The fallen knew only descendent of the primes can kill him. How can The fallen be amazing? your presumption again? Btw, the fallen also knew prime pwns 3 deceps before he got killed. I can also presume the fallen also kinda "scared" seeing ONE autobot can be "amazing".
Well it does seem that the fallen was amazing haha... maybe this go a bit to my presumption, but they are not at all fall short in army right? After prime death, the fallen summon lot of other deceps to earth wasnt he? He can just get more deceps to pin on optimus if he was such a threat to him.

since you knew transformers can project human holograms/drivers, the twins can also apply the same and maybe project a fake family sitting inside them. How can you "assume" the twin cars have no humans inside, yet "able" to pass through the checkpoint?
Well that make perfect sense, haha... but i heard that darn simmon told that small general that he and his family which include the other three, in the same car, dont the general suspect on the other cars drivers? Although is not major plot hole so let's just let it go

8.Hmm... transformer can teleport? That's new to me.
Again thank for confirming this, this is something i can openly accept, i feel its cool too.

They got the "doctor" that is able to squeeze the info out from Sams head. Are you sleeping during the scene where Sam got kidnapped and halfway being "diagnosed" by the Doctor before the autobots crashed in just in time?
So you mean that the map was in sam head right? The decep know how to read the language and will exactly know the direct way to the machine. Sam dont know, so he will need to rely on jet to help them with the tips right? Make lot of sense, thank

It turn to dust so simple-minded people can feel its 'useless". but Sam use his instincts and knew there's more to it. he scooped it into his sock. Its only WEIRD because your are not willing to accept such new idea. The idea is... not anyone can simply find, and then own/hold the matrix. they must do something "great" to gain the matrix and use it,literally. I think the dust is nothing (just for show show), even if Sam didnt carry the dust.. if only he does sacrifice for the autobot's cause, the matrix might magically appear for him again in a physical form.
Ahh.. you make it so deep man... although i am not trying to block new ideas, but the presentation was very weak to implement the idea you have, i agree with your thinking of the reception of instancts and believes something to get hold of the biggest thing, but I cant feel it at all. Maybe is just me, all the combat scene close up all the presentation for the honor fight and believes.

Why cant he comes to life? because its impossible from humans point of view in their earthly believes/thinking/religion? Think out of the world please. We're seeing a movie involving interplanetary aliens.
I know, but wasnt there better way to do this? I mean is better not die, just temporary coma while sam was dreaming or something with the primes, and wake back up, that would be better than having him all dead with everyone crying etc, then revive like an angel kissing his gf. I dont know, maybe again is just me, sorry for being so close minded. It didnt make much sense to me, as i wanted to try hard to see and feel his sacrify would mean something to the plot and hold big refection to his action, but i just fail to feel it

The secret weapon is so secret that on few people knows about it. Simmons do, and blurted it out. Im sure the aircraft carrier knew how critical is the situation with the decepticons attacking here and there. Do they have a choice?
I can see your point there. It would make more logical sense that the weapon was use directly from orders of a much believable person, getting coordinates from that simmons which able to convince him the opportunity ranther than simmons just directly buzz into that aircraft carrier person in charge which he hardly knows. I mean there is lot of way to do it for more convincing and believable plot, but this one is like "Huh, like that also can?"

Wait? huh? Did you actually saw a scene where all of the humams (army) .. cross their legs and arms and said "hhmm.. ok. we give up. let autobots take it from here. We wait" ? LOL. Why do you keeps presuming the stuff that cant be proven?
I am particularly pointing at that strong secret weapon, it make lot of sense if that thing need to recharge. Wasnt it better if simmons give another coordinate of the machine and the person in charge told him that they need like an hour to recharge? With such straight forward action movie, I dont think its a wise intention to let viewer to make so much assumption on our own?

The weapon needs time to recharge. They have no choice again, and might attack through other means. At the same time, the autobots do their part too. It's only coincidence Jettimus prime able to take down the sun harvester before the humans do.
Yah, is good to see this point.

14. The fallen look very stronge with his telekinesis power that can make an AOE lifting of all the vehicle and drop them down at ease. Why Optimus kill him so easily? Like no fight at all.
The last battle was not even more than 5 mins counting after optimus prime destroy the machine. Adding another fews minute with human trying to help bring the fallen down wasnt that bad right? Just like how on the first movie that prove human are there to defend too. Hardly seen it here even at the very last moment of the movie.

this is arguable. How do you know prime is mildy recovered? The allspark revived megatron and he is in his peak and powerful speeding up from seabed and hitting the submarine,then flew to outer space, just like a rebirth + greater power. The matrix of leadership revived prime. Even though he doesnt behave like "OMG look at me.. Im very strong and powerful. lemme test my firepower/kicks /punches heehaa!" after he awoken, doesnt mean the energy inside him = "mild". Dont compare sentient robots "recovery method" = sick humans just ate medicine and feeling a bit "better". Please think out of the box.
Err.. ok he might not be mildly recover, but still, it does make him seem like super robot, maybe cause by the fast killing of the fallen, lead to me that this battle should be much longer. It would be awesome that optimus fight a tough battle together with human rather than he himself owning everything, but that just my opinion and is exclusive to myself.

The scenario is blur coz ur absortion method is weak. Try improve your memory and attention next time
My absorbtion are just fine, just that some people can absorb something which other cant. Everyone got this own perception on something, not every thing can be absord blindly.

Anyway, thank for the clarification too.

In other word, is a mess....
Hate ppl tell you to leave your brain home when watching this movie...
Just how do you do that?

I am not a fan, but i still think the story is very weak being told in a movie way.
I dont mind more human, but the progression was too unbelievable.
A lot of time, i fail to laugh at the humour, then a lot of time, i would go like "Like that also can?"
I mean, there is some extend that how story can be just like that, but in transformer and excepted from bay, this is way not up to standard at all.

Again, just personal opinion, not a fact, so is all up to you, i just feel the movie can be better being told in a different way. Just too bad

Exactly

Cant be help, seeing ppl are going for the movie for so many times in the cinema, why would they even care?

Actually i dont think the toilet jokes is the worst, the one with the mother misbehaving around the campus is something i really cant stand. I mean wtf that scene was included? It all non relevent and its feel so like a cheap humor... I was like "Mat yeh sie arrr??"

I agree with that, but unfortunately reality doesnt work that way.
See all thouse critic, who cares, cause they still blooming on the movie sales. People still will still watch it. Me for once that being warned that how bad the movie was and total brainless, but would i care until i actually watch it? No, i still wanna be stupid for once and see if this movie was that bad after all, and it does.

That how movie nowadays goes, as long as your first one succeed, the second can just be crap and gain the sales you desire.

This post has been edited by jenniferjen: Jul 6 2009, 07:59 PM

^^ agree man..... totally agree...