blizzard dont owe us shit..

It does when it comes down to loyal fan base.

That's a good summary of what I think...

Which owe Blizzard to have made the games at the first place, it's quite a catch22 there.

Seriously guys, you really feel like you guys are "entitled" to anything from Blizzard because somehow you played SC1 a lot and consider it as "more than just a game"?

They really don't care about that, they know they are going to make a huge sales on it and that most of the people that whine about it are still going to buy it anyway. It might make some discussions with fans a bit rough right now but at the end of the day folks are still going to do it.

Damn, I was so sure that the L4D2 ragers would be hands down, the most annoying bunch of self serving fans of 2009... You guys are giving them a run for their money!

If that's the case, why is this an issue? So, if the fanbase previously supported Blizzard by buying their games long after release, that somehow means Blizzard MUST be more lax on pirates in the future? What kind of rubbish thinking is that?

Bandwagon jumper? Because they're capitalizing on the fact that their game is like the NATIONAL SPORT of a nation? Who else is on this magical bandwagon that you speak off?

This is all hyperbole at the end of the day because it all depends on how Korea reacts to it. Starcraft is the juggernaut it is today solely because of Korea and Blizzard knows this. So, if this move by Blizzard does indeed piss off the Koreans, then the game will flop, end of story. All this talk of "Oh think about the impoverished gamers!" is irrelevant as they don't necessarily represent the majority. If it is indeed the majority, then Blizzard loses and Starcraft 2 will drop off the charts faster than a failed zerg rush on a bunker. If it isn't, Blizzard wins, Korea wins and the entitlement complex gamers lose.

Would it really be relevant if they released a LAN patch in 5 years time? Most arguments for LAN in SC2 is that it cuts off the "grassroots" gamers... the ones that can't afford to buy it and crap. A LAN patch in 5 years would be quite useless by then.

Funny thing is, I see the map editor as a way for them to increase Starcaft 2's longevity. DotA is the perfect testament to this actually.

So, just because they're rich and famous, it means that they should condone pirates? Like srsly?

And if someone's going to a pirate game, is unable to do so, and sticks with an older game, technically that means its no loss to them since they weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

Trying to get more than they deserve? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If I made a game, I sure as hell would be pissed annoyed if even ONE person pirated it. And here you're telling me that they should NOT expect to receive 100% of the sales of something they made? What other goddamned company in the world has a manifesto where they expect to give away 50% (Or 80% or 90% depending on which report you wish to believe) of their product for FREE for no reason whatsoever?

Because fans who previously bought original should be allowed to pirate the next iteration of the series?

WHAT THE BLOODY HELL?


You know what, at least the L4D2 ragers had a point (somewhat) as they were afraid that L4D is going to be shortchanged. This is just plain selfishness. Congratulations, you just won the game.

Ok i am not here to offend u or any others.... but i think there is problem here, if you are poor and you seriously want to have a thing arent you suppose to work hard to earn some money in order to do so and not crying out loud tat the thing is too expensive or something else... Games is not a must have in live.... the thing tat come first should be Food, Shelter and clothes...
If Game is more important than food.... then u might as well play game everyday and see where u get the money for food, electric and all those stuff out there. If you cant get the thing yourself then dont blaim anyone.

This post has been edited by 300078: Aug 25 2009, 09:53 AM

Well to summarize it if e-sport iccup thinks that they are so big why dont they just continue with Starcraft itself the game starcraft itself proves that it does not need a sequel and better graphics to continue the success that it already is, or better still if the koreans like the game so much why dont they make another better improved version of starcraft and call it something else just like the new Dota Heroes of Newerth or Demigod. If starcraft is so successful let it the legendary game that even starcraft 2 cant beat then.

Yeah people wont die if they do not have starcraft 2 to play especially the girls tell it to them.
They will say what is starcraft?

GGplay was so poor his dad couldn't send him to uni, so he decided to play starcraft due to the interest he had with the game. He was taken into a pro team and trained hard to win his first OSL title (which is the most prestigious individual league in Korea). Did he not work hard to achieve what he wanted?

Too hot in here. everyone type long post..

summary - LAN definitly has its own use but BLizzard cutting it off as a measure to counter piracy. Blizzard is out there to make money and is not doing charity work but Blizzard makes sure the fans are happy for what they pay. They dont owe pirate users anything so they can do whatever they like with the games. Just look at how much they profit from wow and how many wow expansions came up in just a few yrs compared to other games.

This post has been edited by f4tE: Aug 25 2009, 12:07 PM

I did not said tat dude GGplay did not work hard, he definitely got wat he want frm his hard work and who know how much efford he went through just to get to play the game itself... work part time to get money to go CC play or something else. I talking about those ppl tat wanted the game, dun want work hard for money and just shouting expensive out there! I dun see any effort there beside cursing and blaiming.

If people really want to exel in sports that are cheaper then they should target open source sports like baduk which is almost as popular as starcraft which does not require a PC, internet or buying the software. Yes no doubt these professional starcraft players do work hard for it but do can they really last and how long will this sport last no one knows if they are looking for a long term and more stable income from sport then golf, tennis and mind sports like shogi and baduk would be a more steady income. Ohh my Im getting out of topic here.

But all Im saying is that if starcraft 2 do not work out for them Starcraft might still be the best e-sport.

making a LAN patch or emulator for SC2 shouldn't be too hard (hopefully)

y hello thar



http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1187

The pricetag for the game wont drop. For Starcraft, it only drop recently. 2 years ago, most shop that i went to sells SC Battlechest for RM 200.
When the game is not so new, like Starcraft and Warcraft 3 how would you get you friends to buy them? Most people these days see those eye candy only. A free copy would help. Yes, there's no guarantee they will buy the game, but without getting the chance to try they surely won't buy it.

One solution i can think of is, Blizzard should release a trial version of the game like they did with WoW.

Last time i heard Warcraft 3 is a client required to play DotA. Orc vs Undead is a broken matchup. A single Blademaster can tore an army and make your opponent paranoid. Too few people play the actual play melee/solo or whatever you call it.

Initially there would be no loss. They might get more profit but not much different than what they would get if people managed to pirate game. The game wont sell as much as Starcraft after 5 years of its initial release, that's if Starcraft 2 is not dead by then. As if people would pay for custom map like they were hoping for. People play DotA because its free. Like zioburosky13 said, people are willing to pay if it's a good game. Too many companies blamed piracy for their downfall when the fact is they're trying to sell crappy products.

Since they won't pay a single penny, Blizzard also lose nothing if these kind of people get to play their game. This kind of people would do more good than harm (assuming they wont pay shit no matter what Blizzard do). Let say we have 10 people that get to play the game for free. This kind of people would contribute to the game indirectly, by increasing player base. A competitive game live of die by its player base. A good player base would increase the chance for honest players to buy the game and pay Blizzard money. If 10 pirates can make 1 person buy the game, That's good enough. That's the case for Starcraft Battlechest today.

Yes they deserve 100% of the sales. But do you honestly believe with all the effort they do, they would get 100%? Human are crooked by nature. Intellectual properties are not the same as normal products. People don't steal BMW because they will surely get caught, but they can download from their home without paying anything. We cannot change how human nature works.

Its like record labels today. All the measure they took to combat piracy are not to prevent them but to delay the inevitable. They're trying to get every single penny they can before their inevitable downfall. They know that shutting thepiratebay won't stop piracy. A new one will arise. Music industry will change in 20, maybe 10 years time. They also manipulate information to get sympathy from the ignorant mass. They say if we download their music we're stealing their all artist hardwork. While the fact is most artist get a little to nothing from every album sold. Believe it or not some of them honest artist/musicians actually don't care if people pirate their music.

These records companies greed cost them. Rather than producing music they produce crap talentless artist. They prefer making more money than giving good music to their customer. By brainwashing the public mass using their medium like MTV, they managed to sell their product and made ignorant public kiss their ass. But customers are not stupid, these record companies get what they deserve. If Blizzard becomes like them, they'll eventually get what they deserve.

South Korea doesn't need Starcraft 2, but the rest of the world does. That's the only way for this game to get globalized. Starcraft 2 must surpass Starcraft for the sake of eSports.

What made you think they would pay for original copies when they don't want to get a job? See Blizzard lose nothing with these kind of people since they wont pay for the original copy in the first place. What i'm worried about are potential future customers. A 14 years old kid that can't buy the game today, but one day will. I have this one friend that managed to get into Starcraft, 2 years ago by giving him a pirated copy. Even though he can still play without paying, later he got himself an original copy of the game because he thought it's cool having one. Respect and loyalty from fans are not something Blizzard can get with money.

Sports professionals play sports because they have passion for it. They don't pick sports they play because they think the sport have better prospect than the other. Those who play because they want fame and money are usually the one who achieve nothing. Why can't you guys see what Starcraft gave this kid. A career. A way for him to continue living. People like him are idols, they inspire kids and young adults to play the game. Some of those people that he inspires then will buy the game. That's how Blizzard managed to get sales even after 11 years of Starcraft. Blizzard gave something to him, while he also gave something to Blizzard. That's why this game is so beautiful. Video game can be more than just a game. To me that's what Starcraft 2 also should be.

RtP/Dep Why dont u set-up a company spend atleast 5 years to make a game, pay ur employees their salary, pay ur bills etc etc and give it to sum1; "here, take this and make copies for ur benefit".

Unless u can do that, dont come in here and say what Blizzard should or not deserves. You of all people, a huge fan of starcraft, people would had expected u to be more supportive of Bliizzard.

Sure Blademaster is immba, undead are not the top tier, what do u expect? every game is like that, u can't expect ppl to twig the game to be as perfect as u want it to be. Face it, its be since years WC3TFT was release, it about time that Blizzard focus on a new project.

You want to talk about disappointment? I was disaapointed when Blizzard wasnt gonna continue the Warcraft lore/saga on RTS anymore. I didn't had the time to spend playing on WoW. I had no choice but to put all that behind me.

Atleast Blizzard and Bioware are the only remanding companies that still put extra time, passion and quality to their products.

This post has been edited by JuzJoe: Aug 25 2009, 06:44 PM

Did you read every single of my post? Didn't i said Blizzard is not some small time company? Didn't i said i would support them if its actually necessary for them to do so? I'm talking from customers point of view. 3 people that i introduced to SC using pirated copies bought the Battlechest during the last 2 years.



Yes i'm gonna support them. I'm a legit Blizzard customer. I own original SC and WC3. I will surely buy SC2 when its released. But that doesn't mean customers cannot voice their dissatisfaction.



Tell that to Warcraft 3 players. So It's ok to betray your fans because the game is not profitable anymore? These fans are also potential customer for Blizzard future products. Once you gain trust you also must work hard to keep it.

I have seen cheap gold copies of D1,D2,SC and WC3.Cheaper version of a game isnt available in Malaysia,doesnt mean that it's not available elsewhere.

Why people wont pay for custom maps? Red Orchestra, CS, TF, Gary's Mod are all started as just a mere mod.Then,the modders put a price tag on it and people are still buying the "mods".It's still depends on the quality and polish on the mods.

The only problem i see is how people who dont have credit card could buy those maps.

I dont see why SC2 wont sell as much as SC1.It's a solid game now,plus with whole lot of innovations.

I dont see people who play pirated would do any good to the community or increase player base,as pirated version rarely will work with original copies.The player base is being divided to a few groups that will never play with each other.Pirated gamers will still play on pirated servers,regardless on how cheap is original.The original gamers will play on original servers.Both groups rarely interacts with each other.It's doing more harm than good.

Then,it's time to educate them then.

You can educate someone not to steal a car,why cant you teach someone not to steal games?

Alright,since you love South Korea so much,and hates whatever Blizzard does to SC2.

Please go back to SC1 then.Dont have to type walls of text just because of Blizzard does not want to include LAN,MBS or something that these Koreans just keep on complaining.

So,since Blizzard is not a small company,one can pirate their games then.I dont see your flow of logic.

Thats just 3 people,as 95% of pirated users wont even bother getting original after they get pirated.

So if South korea does not need starcraft 2 why does the rest of the world do they eat less or need less resources than the rest of the world? If thats the way blizzard intends to make starcraft 2 so shall it be, there is no poin complaining this to us tell it to blizzard write a e-mail to Mike Mohan. Dont forget these people are running a public listed company not a small game producer shop as you said they have to answer to their publisher and share holders every year.

Even TV programs are dying because of piracy on the internet. Do you know that TV program writers went on strike cause of TV programs being shared freely on the internet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–2008_W..._America_strike
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009...64041240770746/

You want to talk about small companies getting greedy?Even small companies like stardock that initially made their games free of Digital protection in the end still had consecutive patches internet dependent and their expansion comming out with limited maps until you register yourself online.

So is everyone greedy or some just trying to survive? Do you know that most script writters and animators survive on just their bare wage as in just enough to eat and pay rent? That goes for game producers too until they sell their games?

I'm pretty sure you do not know the state of e-sports at Korea. The WCG qualifiers has so little value compared to their individual leagues where they actually throw games away for fun and what's Baduk?

I personally think that Korea will embrace Starcraft 2 without any hesitation, the lack of LAN might be annoying but with such internet speeds at Korea, I doubt tourneys will encounter huge problems with latency (Not to mention that Blizzard will place some off their servers at Korea). My Korean friend once told me that Malaysia internet speeds are so pathetic that it doesn't even come close to their connection speeds 10 years ago.

Alright,you expect a game with 4 unique sides to become 100% balanced after a few years time.Even SC1 took 6-7 years before it was balanced.

Patching a game isnt easy.It's an expensive and lengthy process.If they patch the game and broke something,people will complain as if Blizzard killed their dog.Be glad that at least Blizzard is still patching the game.

Still,never expect any game to be 100% balanced,as it's just impossible to do so in an asymmetrical game.

Stardock have to do that so that they get some credit for their hard work in developing their games.Demigod had also suffered serious piracy problems as their servers was filled with pirated gamers,rather than legitimate gamers till their server overload.In the end,Stardock have to resort to online patching via Impulse to stop piracy.

Even a 2 men team,2D Boy,who created World of Goo suffered piracy issues.Small time developers arent safe from piracy.

Game designer these days arent the same as those 20 years ago.Back then,developing games was just a hobby.Now,developing a game these days cost a lot of money and the publishers are watching them as they spend each cent.Even a mod for Dark Crusade cost the team 3000 euros.Imagine how much would the entire development of SC2 cost.

Developers arent trying to be greedy.They are trying to feed themselves and survive in this world while making games for people.

*Developers that make mediocre games are excluded.

Which to me, it's probaly the best way to minimize piracy and award honest paid buyer for their support. Rather than stripping out some game play mode like some company

What RtP|DEV has posted makes sense though. Pirated user can become an original copy buyer if they get expose first then get an geniune copy.
We all know what's the real reason of Pirate software - price.
USD 50 dollars is not the same as MYR 50 dollars. :|


This post has been edited by zioburosky13: Aug 25 2009, 09:27 PM