Precisely,just like what Valve,Stardock,Relic have been doing.

I know how big is e-sport in Korea but you do not know bout baduk go google for Lee Sedol, Lee Chang-ho and Korea Baduk Association. Well according to our friend RtP|DEV here, says that Starcraft 2 will not be as successful and will die off in 3 years time or wont last as long.

Isnt thats whats happening to the news starcraft 2?

Edited:
If you guys are so intrested on this piracy issue you might be intrested in this article.
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Read it with an open mind you might agree or disagree with it.

This post has been edited by fujkenasai: Aug 25 2009, 09:26 PM

Way aside from the (interesting) discussion we were having I just noticed one thing related to Bnet:

The whole Bnet authentication system seems to be down right now, during the WoW maintenance

For reference you kinda had to link your WoW account to your Bnet account few months back if you wanted to create your Bnet account (which I did for SC2 beta), it seems that made a lot of "collateral damage" when they take out Wow authentication server.... So now I have to use my Bnet ID to log to Wow etc.

I have no idea if any other games using Bnet right now are impacted but I am damn surprised I can't even log to the the Blizzard Store with my Bnet account...

I do hope the Bnet2 is not going to be like this otherwise it's going to affect way more than just WoW... maintenance for WoW is every tuesday starting usually from 6pm to 1-2am at GMT+8 time...

Can someone else try to connect to its Bnet account right now? Maybe it's only for folks who tied their Bnet account to Wow account...

This post has been edited by Gormaz: Aug 25 2009, 10:54 PM

Here's a thing we seldom notice.

While installing Stacraft, you can choose to install a LAN version only.
*Nostalgia attack! *

Yes, THAT is a valid way to ask ppl to try a game without resorting to piracy... Offer demos/trials/free weekends, etc.
You want to show ppl game play FOC, follow Valve's lead and offer free weekends where ppl can try EVERYTHING and then decide if its worth it.
Demos can offer a nice subset of the actual gameplay, so ask for that instead.

You do realize that most pirates won't actually bother to get an original copy if they have a "free full trial version" on hand? Only the ones which are serious about gaming would (But you'd expect these kinds to go ori to begin with).

You know what else is considered IP and is not really fair game for pirates?
Books.

Why isn't it affected? Simple.
Cultural and historical value.

The reason why ppl feel that its "cool" or "ok" to pirate games, music, movies,etc. but feel a bit bothered with books is that books have been around for a long time. Everyone understands a value of a book (Otherwise, everyone and their uncle would just buy one copy of Harry Potter and photocopy the thing until its ink completely faded).

The other forms of media aren't at the level of IP appreciation yet or rather our society is just to used to the fact that "If it can be converted into binary, it should be free".

Using traditional properties as a metric is quite silly since the movie & music makers, game developers and book authors have every right to earn a living from creating something as how BMW can make money for producing cars.

PS. Ppl don't hate record companies because they are inherently evil for controlling the industry (Not the majority anyway), they hate it because rather than trying to embrace the Internet generation, they chose to persecute it instead, but really this point is just on a tangent.

Yes, because everyone should be allowed into any sport they desire regardless of how much money is in their pockets right?

Like it or not, everything has a price of entry and if you believe that Blizzard should "forfeit" this for ppl who are poor, why should those with money even bother? Why doesn't Blizzard release it for FREE? E-sports is for EVERYONE right? What better way to do that than releasing it for free... Better yet, why not bundle each free copy with a gaming PC? Not everyone can afford those as well right?

This is just double standards here. LAN play isn't actually some sort of "Get out of poverty" card that you paint it to be. Yes, it allows some poorer ppl to enjoy a game (Which isn't even a life necessity), but at the same time it gives armchair pirates an extra feature they shouldn't deserve.

Isn't that quite literally what they're doing here?
"Buy original, play LAN"

They're not stripping anything away. They just made it so that you needed an original copy to enjoy the feature.

Also, are you aware of the conversion rate from pirates to original copies? Neither do I, so quit trying to make it sound as though that is the definite scenario through anecdotal evidence (For every 1 person I know who did this, I know 20 others who didn't... Again, anecdotal evidence)

Plus, many Malaysian pirates wouldn't even buy original even if it did drop to RM60 a pop (Actual evidence? Localized versions of Dawn of War and Supreme Commander sold like crap even though they had their prices slashed to sub RM100), so that really doesn't fly for our demographic

So?
The Internet was burgeoning back then, piracy proliferation over it was relatively low... They also didn't have Hamachi or GIT back then.

Want to rewind even further back?

OMG, Red Alert has no CD-keys!

This post has been edited by H@H@: Aug 26 2009, 12:04 AM

the advantage of buying original to me is the continous support from the developers...
after all the online is free...
wut u get is the community/ rankings/ archivements/ patches/ unlocks/ goodies/ sneak peaks...

maybe its time for developers to use blueray (where the cost of piracy is close to that of the original) where ps3 owners are buying original as opposed to the rampant 360 piracy due to the cheap cost of dvds...
or when the size of the games are too big that pirated copies cost 80 bucks...

but honestly, using price as an excuse to pirate is just lame...
if u cant afford it, dun buy it and just play it on cafes etc...

OMG I can play Serious Sam first and second encounter on the net!

Based on the time it took the PC gaming industry to adopt DVD as a defacto standard, I think we'll be seeing a Playstation 5 or Xbox Double Kickflip 1080 on store shelves already.

I guess for PC its all about the content unlike PS3, even for the largest game out there like GTA4 it only takes up 16 gig iinm that will only cos the pirates 3 DVDs?

Seriously, all the arguments, counter-arguments & counter-counter-arguments here have been lather-rinse-repeated countless of times in SC2GDF.

Still remember the ol' LAN petition website? What happened to it, huh? Thousands of supporters signed up but Blizzard didn't even give a damn about it. It's pretty obvious that Blizzard is being adamant about the LAN issue so just let it rest. Whether it is a right or wrong decision, this is a risk that Blizzard is willing to take & if you disagree, punish them by boycotting their products. Purchasing a copy of SC2 is more or less a thumbs up that they made the right one. End of story.

On a side note, what do you think this vehicle will be called in James Cameron's upcoming movie, Avatar?


This post has been edited by talexeh: Aug 26 2009, 10:16 AM

Easy,

Orcas

See what I did there?

EDIT: Memory fail, Ornithopthers were from Dune 2

This post has been edited by H@H@: Aug 26 2009, 10:17 AM

I was baiting for someone to shout "It's a BANSHEE!".

Orca? I thought Orca is from the very first Command & Conquer?

Funny that certain guys in StarCraft: Legacy forum actually believed that either James Cameron or Blizzard plagiarized (or being a die-hard fans of) the other party's work just because there was a Banshee in the Avatar movie:
This post has been edited by talexeh: Aug 26 2009, 10:25 AM

Yes, and they looked EXACTLY like that.

Anyway, it is a well known fact that Starcraft is heavily ripped off Warhammer 40K (It was originally planned as a WH40K themed RTS, but Games Workshop said no) so hardly a first by Blizzard...

If anything whatever is left of Westwood who should be suing.

This post has been edited by H@H@: Aug 26 2009, 10:25 AM

I quite enjoy your pessimistic posts H@H@. This post is no different although i disagree with you on the point above.

In fact that it is thanks to books and the invention of the Gutenberg press, that we have the outdated and archaic copyright laws which have barely evolved that we have today.

Piracy of books is a big problem even if it doesn't get the same headlines as more modern media. The main reason why most individuals are not bothered to pirate books is that in most cases it's usually not cost effective to photocopy a book. However, there is a 'scene' for comics and books. You can get scans or pdfs of books quite easily. You can also get physical pirated copies of books in countries like China and Vietnam. In Malaysia, the translated manga that is sold here is done so without proper licensing from the publishers.

The big difference between books and electronic media such as games is that they don't try to shove a EULA when you buy a book. Similarly the fact that your copy of the book (which comes unencumbered with DRM) is yours to do with as you see fit means you can't really compare the two mediums.

To get on topic though, for those whining about this lan point, it's incredibly tedious.

Well I totally half baked this part of my post since I didn't want to emphasize it too much (Going all ADD on it multiple times didn't help either)

But I think the point of my post was that books in general aren't being pirated on the scale of other IP-based mediums is that the older generation have a higher appreciation of it since it has been cultivated for centuries, considering that its a far older medium compared to everything else.

No one would want to pirate Shakespeare's work for it's not the hottest items on the market now.

Well maybe for poor family who wants to their child to be a stage actor playing Hamlet. Then again, Hamlet is free and can be borrowed from state Library (if they have it).

I do wish SC2 adds more new game play element such as destroyable resources, better AI handling for units such as Dark Reign, which is probably the best example. You can set different unit behavior on the same unit. So you can have a tank as scout and another same tank as ambushers.

This post has been edited by zioburosky13: Aug 26 2009, 10:10 PM

I google then found this.. Apparently the page is not link in the terran units or building.. New stuff?

http://www.starcraft2.com/features/terran/terratron.xml

but the video looks like joke

This post has been edited by f4tE: Aug 26 2009, 11:14 PM

It was an april fool joke and it's mentioned a few pages ago.

That was last April's Fools if I remember properly.

Blizzard usually always do one of this kind of stuff every year

izzit final date???
please dun change again~~