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JonYeap
post May 17 2009, 12:48 PM

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1RM = 1 rep max...
meaning if u can bench press 80kg for 1 time only...
then thats ur 1RM.
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post May 17 2009, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ May 17 2009, 12:06 PM)
nice..wait till we hear how heavey darkie bench press and incline..hahaha..pengsan..
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285lbs x 9 reps. =) You can calculate my 1RM max from there.
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post May 17 2009, 05:16 PM

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320lbs-340lbs. =.=
haha... have u tried ur 1rm?
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post May 17 2009, 05:54 PM

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blardy hell..bapak berat...hahaha..wait..285lbs means how many kg's?
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post May 17 2009, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ May 17 2009, 05:54 PM)
blardy hell..bapak berat...hahaha..wait..285lbs means how many kg's?
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129k. Nearly twice my weight. sweat.gif
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post May 17 2009, 06:51 PM

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round it up, its 130kg.
so his 1RM would be 150kg or so
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post May 17 2009, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 17 2009, 05:16 PM)
320lbs-340lbs. =.=
haha... have u tried ur 1rm?
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I don't do 1RM's. I'm not a powerlifter. All my poundages, I've got to this level just going high volume, never low reps. Strength gains will come gradually, cause and effect.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 17 2009, 06:24 PM)
129k. Nearly twice my weight.  sweat.gif
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wow...dat's wicked.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 17 2009, 07:25 PM)
I don't do 1RM's. I'm not a powerlifter. All my poundages, I've got to this level just going high volume, never low reps. Strength gains will come gradually, cause and effect.
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its really hard to find bb'ers like u dude
sticking always to the basic
i guess people now go for quantity than quality

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post May 19 2009, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 19 2009, 12:00 AM)
its really hard to find bb'ers like u dude
sticking always to the basic
i guess people now go for quantity than quality
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what did you mean dude? bodybuilder alwaysssssssss do high reps tongue.gif


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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 19 2009, 12:00 AM)
its really hard to find bb'ers like u dude
sticking always to the basic
i guess people now go for quantity than quality
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i second that but not referring to darkie's high vol with hi reps tho...i can see a lot of ppl at my workout place, went for high vol but never done it the right way because they were lifting too heavy...this past few weeks i reduced my vol a little, maintain the reps but went for slower tempo...fast tempo is ok but i felt much more pain on the particular muscle with slow reps...

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 19 2009, 12:00 AM)
its really hard to find bb'ers like u dude
sticking always to the basic
i guess people now go for quantity than quality
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QUOTE(diablokun @ May 19 2009, 12:45 AM)
i second that but not referring to darkie's high vol with hi reps tho...i can see a lot of ppl at my workout place, went for high vol but never done it the right way because they were lifting too heavy...this past few weeks i reduced my vol a little, maintain the reps but went for slower tempo...fast tempo is ok but i felt much more pain on the particular muscle with slow reps...
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That's because they try to lift too heavy too fast. And they don't use correct form even if they're using sufficient volume. They do half assed reps or cheat too much. Then the accessory muscles get more worked more than the target muscles. You know how much was my starting incline bench? The bar alone. My starting dumbell press, 20pounds. When you do proper form, you may feel like a pu$$y with such baby weights but the target muscle gets hit and your strength gains come MUCH faster compared to half assed rep strength progression. Hypertrophy first always, that's our target, BUT the strength will come. Which is why people like Ronnie Coleman and Dexter Jackson can hold their own among powerlifters. Which is why i can hold my own among the powerlifters at my gym. And the public gym i work out at have a lot of hardcore people.

Heavy weights yes, but done with proper form.

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post May 19 2009, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 19 2009, 01:36 AM)
That's because they try to lift too heavy too fast. And they don't use correct form even if they're using sufficient volume. They do half assed reps or cheat too much. Then the accessory muscles get more worked more than the target muscles. You know how much was my starting incline bench? The bar alone. My starting dumbell press, 20pounds. When you do proper form, you may feel like a pu$$y with such baby weights but the target muscle gets hit and your strength gains come MUCH faster compared to half assed rep strength progression. Hypertrophy first always, that's our target, BUT the strength will come. Which is why people like Ronnie Coleman and Dexter Jackson can hold their own among powerlifters. Which is why i can hold my own among the powerlifters at my gym. And the public gym i work out at have a lot of hardcore people.

Heavy weights yes, but done with proper form.
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very true...
been looking around in my gym and i notice the same thing.
i guess many of us like to go heavy due to ego also.
wanna push as much as we can as fast as possible.
when i started 2 month ago, i was the same.
but i not going to bother bout the weights anymore instead learn how to feel.
will test my max reps once a month, but most of the time will go high reps.
thanks for the advise. =.=
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 19 2009, 01:51 AM)
+1
very true...
been looking around in my gym and i notice the same thing.
i guess many of us like to go heavy due to ego also.
wanna push as much as we can as fast as possible.
when i started 2 month ago, i was the same.
but i not going to bother bout the weights anymore instead learn how to feel.
will test my max reps once a month, but most of the time will go high reps.
thanks for the advise. =.=
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Terry couldn't stress this enough to me during my first visit. He saw the way I was lifting and he told me you want size, you want to get big. Lift like a bodybuilder, not a powerlifter. He changed all my exercises.
I was doing military presses, he told me to switch to seated presses. I was doing pull ups, he told me to switch to pull downs for better mind muscle connection.
I was experimenting with some Oly lifts for fun, he told me drop it, they do absolutely nothing for mass as the negative phase in not emphasized. I just listened, humbled myself and I grew.

Under his tutelage, from a measly bodyweight of 70 kilos after a bout of life threatening pneumonia where i was hospitalized for 2 weeks coughing out blood continuously, I exploded in growth to hit 85 kilos. And now I'm 87kg. Can you imagine, meeting a pro bodybuilder can transform your physique. His gym, there's definitely a lil' magic in there. Lol.
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hehe... guess he really is ur foundation of ur body building heh?
hehe... well, starting next week, i am going to train hard.
oh ya... bout this topic again...
hahaha... anyone has any say on smith machines?
i feel its kinda hard to squat using smith.
maybe i am doing it wrongly.
i normally squat freeweights.
hmm... darkie, u use smith to squat rite, wat would u say in comparison to the freeweight squat?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 19 2009, 01:36 AM)
That's because they try to lift too heavy too fast. And they don't use correct form even if they're using sufficient volume. They do half assed reps or cheat too much. Then the accessory muscles get more worked more than the target muscles. You know how much was my starting incline bench? The bar alone. My starting dumbell press, 20pounds. When you do proper form, you may feel like a pu$$y with such baby weights but the target muscle gets hit and your strength gains come MUCH faster compared to half assed rep strength progression. Hypertrophy first always, that's our target, BUT the strength will come. Which is why people like Ronnie Coleman and Dexter Jackson can hold their own among powerlifters. Which is why i can hold my own among the powerlifters at my gym. And the public gym i work out at have a lot of hardcore people.

Heavy weights yes, but done with proper form.
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somehow i found that your post is inspiring bro...this maybe due to your experience not just from some reading on some webbies or books...thanks for the explainations...it add values into my workout...now i'm working out with a piece of mind...

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post May 25 2009, 08:53 PM

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Have not tried 1RM, I think I can do 60kg or 65kg 1 rep. Usually for bar bell press I don't go more than 50kg.

Dumb bells yes.
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post May 25 2009, 10:05 PM

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Now you dumbbell press more than 50kgs already? Or squat? shocking.gif
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post May 25 2009, 10:33 PM

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wow... i am wondering the same.
if he says he dumbell bench press, then salutes!
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post May 25 2009, 10:38 PM

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Dumb bells in lbs. Typo there, should just type lbs.

It's funny, when comes to bar bell bench press or incline press, I can't do heavy. But dumb bells I can push more.



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