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iamyuanwu
post May 25 2009, 10:52 PM

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Anyone tried doing deadlifts using the smith machine before?
I'm damn curious to see how it's like. X^D

They say the shortest route is to lift straight up mah!
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post May 25 2009, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 25 2009, 10:52 PM)
Anyone tried doing deadlifts using the smith machine before?
I'm damn curious to see how it's like. X^D

They say the shortest route is to lift straight up mah!
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No. Worst mistake you can ever do. You'll kill your back. It's common sense, i don't think i need to explain.
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post May 26 2009, 10:02 AM

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yeah, the movement is not in linear.

Worse is tat i saw the trainers did tat in my gym dry.gif. The client paying 100+ a session for spoiling his back.
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post May 26 2009, 12:02 PM

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Hang on a minute, after reading the thread, the proper method is to go 'acceptable' weights but high reps? Did I understand correctly?

As a person whom just started out, obviously I cannot lift heavy weight (currently only using LifeFitness machines, unsure whether these are better or free weights are better)

Anywho, I'll use myself as an example (please don't laugh too hard tongue.gif)

For the 'chicken wings' machine (the one for shoulder) I find that with a weightage of 20Kg (44 pounds) I can do 3 sets of 12, perhaps even 15 reps per set before the muscle burn really hits.

Should i increase to 25kg (55 pounds) I can't seem to finish the last set, meaning it would like something like

25kg x 12 times
25kg x 11 times
25kg x 8 times

So are you guys saying it's better to do the former rather than the latter?

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post May 26 2009, 12:37 PM

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time to increase the weight.
try doing 10 reps for 3 sets.
if u can do that with ease, then increase a few kg.
if u cant maitain 10 reps each set for 3 sets, then reduce a little.


Added on May 26, 2009, 12:48 pmjust my opinion...
wait for other seniors to comment... hehe

This post has been edited by JonYeap: May 26 2009, 12:48 PM
iamyuanwu
post May 26 2009, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 25 2009, 11:13 PM)
No. Worst mistake you can ever do. You'll kill your back. It's common sense, i don't think i need to explain.
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Understood. I know anyone with a common sense wouldn't try it. But since this is a Smith machine thread, maybe some not-so-well-informed people might have tried it. X^D

QUOTE(jamis @ May 26 2009, 10:02 AM)
yeah, the movement is not in linear.

Worse is tat i saw the trainers did tat in my gym dry.gif. The client paying 100+ a  session for spoiling his back.
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You couldn't be serious, right? doh.gif
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post May 26 2009, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ May 26 2009, 12:02 PM)
Hang on a minute, after reading the thread, the proper method is to go 'acceptable' weights but high reps? Did I understand correctly?

As a person whom just started out, obviously I cannot lift heavy weight (currently only using LifeFitness machines, unsure whether these are better or free weights are better)

Anywho, I'll use myself as an example (please don't laugh too hard tongue.gif)

For the 'chicken wings' machine (the one for shoulder) I find that with a weightage of 20Kg (44 pounds) I can do 3 sets of 12, perhaps even 15 reps per set before the muscle burn really hits.

Should i increase to 25kg (55 pounds) I can't seem to finish the last set, meaning it would like something like

25kg x 12 times
25kg x 11 times
25kg x 8 times

So are you guys saying it's better to do the former rather than the latter?
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If you can complete 10 on the last set, why not? Or as long as you can do 12 reps with that weight on your first 2 sets, and reduce slightly on the third set why not? Nothing's set in stone.

QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 26 2009, 07:26 PM)
You couldn't be serious, right? doh.gif
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You would be surprised how stupid and pathetic some PT's are. I screwed up 2 PT's at commercial gyms for teaching their clients wrong shit. Normally I adopt the "mind my own damn business" attitude but IF i see something potentially hazardous or lift threatening, I'll damn well step in.
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post May 30 2009, 03:25 AM

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smith deadlift

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link here

sure a lots of body movement just to stabilize yourself.. lightweight can la..
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post May 30 2009, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(coolz_iced @ May 30 2009, 03:25 AM)
smith deadlift

user posted image

link here

sure a lots of body movement just to stabilize yourself.. lightweight can la..
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Bro, it doesn't matter. Just because it's on the internet, it doesn't mean it's correct. That is a potential for injury, the movement is not in a natural arc and one is not supposed to go light on deadlifts.
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post Jun 1 2009, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 30 2009, 12:05 PM)
Bro, it doesn't matter. Just because it's on the internet, it doesn't mean it's correct. That is a potential for injury, the movement is not in a natural arc and one is not supposed to go light on deadlifts.
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yup.. you're right. last time i have tried squad using smith machine.. very awkward, some more my knee hurt.. i also feel uncomfortable when using hack squat machine. maybe its related to body posture. i do have some lordosis problem (arching), but already fix it.

that why some build are good for squating and deadlift.

i sometime use smith machine for heavy bench press, closed grip bench press and seated press.
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post Jun 1 2009, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(coolz_iced @ Jun 1 2009, 10:54 AM)
yup.. you're right. last time i have tried squad using smith machine.. very awkward, some more my knee hurt.. i also feel uncomfortable when using hack squat machine. maybe its related to body posture. i do have some lordosis problem (arching), but already fix it.

that why some build are good for squating and deadlift.

i sometime use smith machine for heavy bench press, closed grip bench press and seated press.
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The Smith machine is an excellent tool mate. There are even several threads on bodybuilding.com dedicated to it. There are some probodybuilders who use just the Smith for their squats. They allow you to target the quads even more while not contributing to oversized hips. I use them for squats, shoulder presses, incline presses, rows (rarely), CGBP, many more.

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