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 is using the smith machine alright?, for building strenght or muscle

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darklight79
post Apr 10 2009, 11:11 PM

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People who have used the Smith even for squats:-
Dorian Yates
Wong Hong
Bob Cicherrillo

Some forummers are against the Smith because of the wannabe hardcore mentality that the Smith is for pansies. Try incline benching close to 300lbs on the Smith, it doesn't make it any easier despite the anticipated arguments of counter weight.
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post May 17 2009, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ May 17 2009, 12:06 PM)
nice..wait till we hear how heavey darkie bench press and incline..hahaha..pengsan..
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285lbs x 9 reps. =) You can calculate my 1RM max from there.
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post May 17 2009, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 17 2009, 05:16 PM)
320lbs-340lbs. =.=
haha... have u tried ur 1rm?
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I don't do 1RM's. I'm not a powerlifter. All my poundages, I've got to this level just going high volume, never low reps. Strength gains will come gradually, cause and effect.
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post May 19 2009, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 19 2009, 12:00 AM)
its really hard to find bb'ers like u dude
sticking always to the basic
i guess people now go for quantity than quality
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QUOTE(diablokun @ May 19 2009, 12:45 AM)
i second that but not referring to darkie's high vol with hi reps tho...i can see a lot of ppl at my workout place, went for high vol but never done it the right way because they were lifting too heavy...this past few weeks i reduced my vol a little, maintain the reps but went for slower tempo...fast tempo is ok but i felt much more pain on the particular muscle with slow reps...
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That's because they try to lift too heavy too fast. And they don't use correct form even if they're using sufficient volume. They do half assed reps or cheat too much. Then the accessory muscles get more worked more than the target muscles. You know how much was my starting incline bench? The bar alone. My starting dumbell press, 20pounds. When you do proper form, you may feel like a pu$$y with such baby weights but the target muscle gets hit and your strength gains come MUCH faster compared to half assed rep strength progression. Hypertrophy first always, that's our target, BUT the strength will come. Which is why people like Ronnie Coleman and Dexter Jackson can hold their own among powerlifters. Which is why i can hold my own among the powerlifters at my gym. And the public gym i work out at have a lot of hardcore people.

Heavy weights yes, but done with proper form.

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post May 19 2009, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 19 2009, 01:51 AM)
+1
very true...
been looking around in my gym and i notice the same thing.
i guess many of us like to go heavy due to ego also.
wanna push as much as we can as fast as possible.
when i started 2 month ago, i was the same.
but i not going to bother bout the weights anymore instead learn how to feel.
will test my max reps once a month, but most of the time will go high reps.
thanks for the advise. =.=
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Terry couldn't stress this enough to me during my first visit. He saw the way I was lifting and he told me you want size, you want to get big. Lift like a bodybuilder, not a powerlifter. He changed all my exercises.
I was doing military presses, he told me to switch to seated presses. I was doing pull ups, he told me to switch to pull downs for better mind muscle connection.
I was experimenting with some Oly lifts for fun, he told me drop it, they do absolutely nothing for mass as the negative phase in not emphasized. I just listened, humbled myself and I grew.

Under his tutelage, from a measly bodyweight of 70 kilos after a bout of life threatening pneumonia where i was hospitalized for 2 weeks coughing out blood continuously, I exploded in growth to hit 85 kilos. And now I'm 87kg. Can you imagine, meeting a pro bodybuilder can transform your physique. His gym, there's definitely a lil' magic in there. Lol.
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post May 25 2009, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 25 2009, 10:52 PM)
Anyone tried doing deadlifts using the smith machine before?
I'm damn curious to see how it's like. X^D

They say the shortest route is to lift straight up mah!
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No. Worst mistake you can ever do. You'll kill your back. It's common sense, i don't think i need to explain.
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post May 26 2009, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ May 26 2009, 12:02 PM)
Hang on a minute, after reading the thread, the proper method is to go 'acceptable' weights but high reps? Did I understand correctly?

As a person whom just started out, obviously I cannot lift heavy weight (currently only using LifeFitness machines, unsure whether these are better or free weights are better)

Anywho, I'll use myself as an example (please don't laugh too hard tongue.gif)

For the 'chicken wings' machine (the one for shoulder) I find that with a weightage of 20Kg (44 pounds) I can do 3 sets of 12, perhaps even 15 reps per set before the muscle burn really hits.

Should i increase to 25kg (55 pounds) I can't seem to finish the last set, meaning it would like something like

25kg x 12 times
25kg x 11 times
25kg x 8 times

So are you guys saying it's better to do the former rather than the latter?
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If you can complete 10 on the last set, why not? Or as long as you can do 12 reps with that weight on your first 2 sets, and reduce slightly on the third set why not? Nothing's set in stone.

QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 26 2009, 07:26 PM)
You couldn't be serious, right? doh.gif
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You would be surprised how stupid and pathetic some PT's are. I screwed up 2 PT's at commercial gyms for teaching their clients wrong shit. Normally I adopt the "mind my own damn business" attitude but IF i see something potentially hazardous or lift threatening, I'll damn well step in.
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post May 30 2009, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(coolz_iced @ May 30 2009, 03:25 AM)
smith deadlift

user posted image

link here

sure a lots of body movement just to stabilize yourself.. lightweight can la..
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Bro, it doesn't matter. Just because it's on the internet, it doesn't mean it's correct. That is a potential for injury, the movement is not in a natural arc and one is not supposed to go light on deadlifts.
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post Jun 1 2009, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(coolz_iced @ Jun 1 2009, 10:54 AM)
yup.. you're right. last time i have tried squad using smith machine.. very awkward, some more my knee hurt.. i also feel uncomfortable when using hack squat machine. maybe its related to body posture. i do have some lordosis problem (arching), but already fix it.

that why some build are good for squating and deadlift.

i sometime use smith machine for heavy bench press, closed grip bench press and seated press.
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The Smith machine is an excellent tool mate. There are even several threads on bodybuilding.com dedicated to it. There are some probodybuilders who use just the Smith for their squats. They allow you to target the quads even more while not contributing to oversized hips. I use them for squats, shoulder presses, incline presses, rows (rarely), CGBP, many more.

 

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