I disagree with that. You misunderstood my post(now in page 45) on the Darwinian ideas on Natural Selection.

As ealier quoted
-Individuals less suited to the environment are less likely to survive and less likely to reproduce; individuals more suited to the environment are more likely to survive and more likely to reproduce and leave their inheritable traits to future generations, which produces the process of natural selection

money(being rich), being confident(believe in oneself), being successful, being attractive, younger, stronger, smarter etc(the dominant trait), are all different intrepretation of being suited to the environment. The more suited you are the higher chance you will be selected, again depending on the environment(standards/context) that you are in, the parameters of it will differ.

The determinant factor when you choose a mate is because you think that he or she is better/dominant/superior to the other options. If all things are equal you would choose a richer over a poorer. If all things are equal you whould choose a stronger over the weaker. The pretty over the ugly. The smarter over the idiot.

Depending on your environment, only some of these parameters might be relavant to you(hence Darwin's term - suited to the environment). As Ezra claims that when you are 30++ you get more desperate is because that your environment have changed and the options have reduced. (example- a woman in her 30s will have fewer male options to choose from as socially women perfers more mature over younger mate/ although Demi Moore thought otherwise )

You would choose the one whom you think is most dominant(most suited) in your environment as your mate. Everytime. Period.

Note that your environment changes as you grow/mature and you might have settled of a person that is better suited to your previous environment. Then you are screwed. (hence the many divorce and affairs out there)

This post has been edited by Bishop: May 4 2009, 08:39 PM

Nope. the determinant factor isn't absolute. People do choose the weaker, less dominant, inferior, poor, ugly etc as their mate.
Because humans don't go by their instincts all the time, unlike animals. They go by emotions, driven by emotions, and somethings they reason based on emotions, regardless of the environment. Its an unpredictable and unanticipated anomaly, which isn't uncommon


Don't forget Joan Collins, Elizabeth Taylor, Madonna etc. They choose younger men.

and people at that age who get desperate are those who desires a family yet failed at that. It doesn't apply to those who chose to remain single by choice. The problem statement he made was to assume that "most" people past 30 must be desperate, of which is unfounded, unless he has the statistics to back it up.


Nope. Human species are unpredictable and doesn't go by instincts. survival of the fattest happens all the time.
There are many instances whereby those possessing the least desirable traits, or least suitable, easily got themselves a spouse and lead fruitful lives, while those of the most desirable traits remained single and desperate.

Nothing is absolute here. What you anticipate to be can turn out something else. Humans are not like animals. Humans don't go by instinct in a lot of times.

Thread temporary close for clean up.

Personal attacks are lame and not worth the internet. Now go chill up and come back later.

Thread re-opened.

I've cleaned up 2 pages worth of thrash. If your posts is missing, it has been filtered off because they contained personal attacks.

Disagreement is common but do not turn this into a personal war.

This post has been edited by feyhime: May 5 2009, 11:46 AM

That's cool, but I merely considered turnabout to be fair play.

I did not say that most people past 30 must be desperate..




I said that most people approaching 30, who have never been in a relationship, are likely to be desperate.

By "never been in a relationship" I mean:

1) A girl who has never had a guy ask her out and has thus never had a boyfriend....likely because she isnt very attractive herself.
2) A guy who has never had a girlfriend...and is not getting laid from ONS either as he is too unattractive (ie. girls ignore him at clubs and such).

So Ezra, how do you know all this? From experience?

LOL!

Moorish - I only agree partially of your statement, I actually second the first part, that love/marriage came it primitively for basic reason of love at first sight, protetion, sex, even.

However your last sentence here is a wrong quote. As such, i would like to say also, for those who has married to a rich husband, wait after a few yrs living without soul/soul mate, they will regret their choice. Cos money isnt everything. Being a rich wife doesnt guarantee a life time happiness.

Do you see 'marriage' as the final conclusion of everything? I know it is common for youngsters to think in this way, that we just grab our Victory and make everyone into our wedding and tose for our victory of owning this man/woman Legally. But it is a true meaning/destination for two to get along? How could you be sure the one you wed today who u met for few years, that both of u r able to hold hands in hands towards the other 2/3 of future life? no u dont, for all still in dating/courtship, as well as newly weds= u r only taking a bet, a gambler.

As such, is Divorce the destination then? Dont look at me, i dont know. Im in the passing stage myself just like you, except that im a little ahead of u guys.

Back to the topic, are girls more money-minded? Just a few bad eggs in the basket doesnt mean all are bad. Generally, i would like to take a larger view of the picture. In modern world, who can resist money? No one. Money is powerful, more brutal MONEY talks can be find outside of kopitiam in the RWIssue column. Undoubtedly we have greed on money, but everyone is chasing for a better future instead of anything else. Saying girls are more money-minded is a plain wrong quote cos everyone does. Are 'boys' not money minded? Given a poor boy without/very low ability to feed himself, here comes two sexy babe, one with money, one without money, both same sexy, same kind, same everything, which one would the boy choose? Im sure most boys would choose the one with money??! NO?

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Added on May 6, 2009, 12:46 pm
This is really tricky. When we grab someone in our 20s, how do we sure she/he is the one to be with us when we are 80yo? We love them badly madly seriously, but are u sure u still love her in this way? U do? er... U mean u do? Im not yet talking about his/her feeling towards u, im merely talking you, your feelings/promise to her. My conclusion is that, it has too much factors to effect... better remain single, by choice

This post has been edited by secretsquirrel: May 6 2009, 12:46 PM

Generally a guy would avoid a rich girl, it is already difficult to handle a normal girl, some more you wanna live with a rich girl? Unless his primary mission is to siphon her money or maybe climb at his dads corporate ladder. Other wise I think guys cant tolerate the rich girls behavior.

It should be telling that, not only girls are $$ minded but same to guys too... why do we alive in this world cause we are hungry for desirability...

are u a money minded gal cutiepooh?

Huh? i'm a guy, and i think what u said is retarded. I absolutely love a rich girl's behaviour. They are less clingy, more independant, and our rendezvouz dont have to be limited to how much i earn only since we can both chip in comfortably.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 6 2009, 01:03 PM

Honestly, if i tell u i am not i am lying.. i love $$$ too.. but i only spend my own $$$ that all.. from my life that i've been walking so long with so many ex... i never request single thing from them. I mean i saw my friends they so easily got things from their bf.. i don't my ex all won't get me things themselve .. don't know maybe they knew i couldn support myself and get things myself or they are running for this topic...

if you like name calling then I shall call what you wrote as moron, can you read what I wrote? "generally"

No, teongpeng said that what you SAID is retarded. He didn't say that YOU were retarded. Huge difference.

I agree with him. There's no rule that says we have to abide by standards set by the lowest common denomination of intelligence, no matter how popular it may be.

Btw I think that how much money a woman has is not as important as how she makes that money.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: May 6 2009, 03:03 PM

U r not a guy and u r not the poor desparate guy in my example. Not all rich girl is bad to be handled and not all rich girls are having a rich dad, how about moving the picture to a few years or a decade of your age/time, an independent working OL?

If u go back to my simple theory of the example i gave, i think u know the answer is no. no one is going to resist MONEY, regardless gender.

Lots of guys have the option of being gigolo, but they don't do it, because the thought of having sex for money - and only for money (and not even sexual pleasure) - is highly revolting to them.

So yes I say that there are people who will "resist money", because they know that although it is pretty important, it is not the only or the most important thing.

Edit to add: You also have no idea what sort of sick fantasies female johns have, regardless of their looks. What if you follow them on a ten thousand dollar all expense paid trip outside of Malaysia and get lured into a dungeon complete with "hard" SM props? Like I dunno, bullwhips and enema pumps?? Augh!

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: May 6 2009, 03:09 PM

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Added on May 6, 2009, 3:29 pmYes, moorish. I absolutely agree with your point. I did had few times of rich girlfriends. I used to siphon their money or trying to climb to their family tree. In fact, I can tell their behaviour is really worst than normal girls. You think you are a playboy or playgirl? They are even better than what you think. They can bed with me while telling me they are virgin. But when you are on bed, you can feel that why it is loose, maybe you can know the statement they made is not true.

teongpeng, you are now having personally attack. I hope the moderator could wash this post of your's. Here is where you share your opinion, not for you to judge who is right or wrong nor retarded. Learn to be civilized. It doesn't care about what you said nor the person, it doesnt makes any difference. You could just say you disagree of the statement.

This post has been edited by Vinx: May 6 2009, 03:30 PM

Dickson ~ ur quote to me is seriously out of topic/ far from what i tried to say, in fact the opposite. If you read my earlier post, i was opposing TS idea about no one can resist money, so u and I are on the same page. But my line of 'no one can resist money' was based on the example i gave to compare the same situation for both gender, the choice would be same, there is not way we should classified FEMALE is more money-minded than MALE. My simple example was merely trying to bring this out when comes to desperate situation, MONEY is a very attractive choice regardless gender. My expression was weak, i know.

As for your gigolo situation, i assume those guys who choose NOT to get paid, would bcos they believe they could have better power/choice to earn the money with more pride/by sacrifice some other things than this. If it is comparing about poor males & females who do ve many other choices of getting the money, the majority choices would be same.

Ur imagination isnt very scary to me as long as I get my life and my 10k, if i were the gigolo/ayam

This post has been edited by secretsquirrel: May 6 2009, 03:36 PM

If u wanna get into moorish's pants....think again. She's married...unless u wanna spanar her...

And thanks dickson, for the support.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 6 2009, 03:39 PM