As far as I can tell, you're saying the glass is half full, im saying the glass is half empty - it means the same thing.

Either way, bottom line long story short, the message is that a guy has to THRIVE and succeed in the game of life to be successful in the game of love. For many desirable characteristics in a guy comes from thriving in the game of life (asides from physical traits that are genetic of course). For only when one is desirable can he "have standards" - the poor hapless ugly short guy who cant keep a job telling himself that he "has standards" and will only date a really hot chick is in for lots of dissappointment. That was the key message in the Face The Truth™ (love) articles: People need to find their standard, or work to raise it.

You seem pretty bent on claiming that I dont understand you. Well, I've explained my POV a few times already - It's up to the others reading this thread to decide. Anyhow, would you like to come to a concensus on a few simple statements? Simple clear statements... i'll draft it over the weekend.


btw, yeah.. debate is awesome. I kinda like debating here more than in RWI nicer crowd.

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Added on May 1, 2009, 6:34 amit's best not to reply to ppl who abuse ad hominems to avoid starting a flame war

This post has been edited by ezralimm: May 1 2009, 06:34 AM

Without men, all women will be gay too

Its not about optimism or pessimism. Its about how you perceive things, you're stuck with only 1 definition of what a male should be. What you understood of "standards" is different from what I wrote. Not everyone wants a hot chick, not everyone wants a rich guy, the "standard" is something they set themselves for what they want in life. Like that dude who posted here blaming his pathetic salary, if he's happy with his life (although its obvious he is not) then he would find a partner that would fit into his life. Not chase someone who people think is attractive.

Everyone will have a different meaning of success, its up for them to decide whether they have achieved it or not. There are poor people who are very happy with their lives, there are rich people who are very sad with their lives. There are good looking males/females who just can't get the partners they need/want, and there are ugly people who are happy with their partners.

The difference between us is basically, you tell people that "you should be like this", and I tell people "go find out who you are".

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1 - silverhawk
0 - ezralimm

next round?

Dude, you are really presumptuous.

1) I did not imply anything like that.... Note the use of the word COMPATIBLE in my posts. I went so far as to put "(culturally/emotionally/religiously/practically)" in brackets next to the word compatible.

2) there are exceptions of course... but given that you had the choice between A or B, assuming both A and B are equally culturally/religiously compatible, you will go for the more attractive one. I agree that people set standards.... I was just highlighting that sometimes people set their standards higher than what is available to them. What I did say was that given the chance, everyone wants whats best for them....and I have yet to come across a non-desperate guy who would go out of his way to date the most unattractive girl in class... in the same way I have yet to come across a non-desperate girl who would go out of her way to date the most unattractive (short/scrawny/loser/shy/jobless)

3) Precisely. Again., you are saying what i've said in different words. You are effectively saying that he will over time be forced to lower his standards and consider girls that he did not consider before. You see this in people who remain single as they approach their 30s... They are usually not so attractive and are forced to settle for what is available. Thus, you are correct... chances are he will eventually find a partner willing to "fit into his life". The quality (tall/fertile/hot vs short/disproportionate/ugly) of the partner willing to "fit into his life" will depend largely on how attractive he is himself.

I have never said that guys should be rich to attract girls!!!!111 In fact, I've repeatedly stressed out that MONEY DOES NOT ATTRACT GIRLS in all of my threads. That said, money does seem to correlate to a person thriving in life..and girls find this attractive. And you got to face the fact that while MONEY DOES NOT BUY HAPPINESS... money lessens the likelihood that you turn out to become a loser in the game of life - On average, poor people have worse health and higher suicide rates than rich people, in all countries and cultural backgrounds...even in America! Sure there are exceptions... and if harping on a few sad rich blokes who killed themselves makes you feel good about yourself..then fine. But it does not represent the general truth.

Ultimately, everyone has a different path. Guy A's path to social dominance and thriving in the game of life is different from Guy B's path to social dominance and thriving in the game of life.


Awesome For Teh Winrar!

^ Dude, what the f*** is this?

silverhawk and ezralimm is trying to say the same thing but express them in different way, hence the endless arguement.

No they are not saying the same thing.

For some reason Ezra badly wants his point of view to be the only one legitimate, be all and end all position on the matter. He obviously took a lot of time to write out his posts and develop his viewpoints. Now he wants it to be a pronouncement.

He now starts conforming other concepts to his pronouncement, because now that he's invested so much time and PRIDE in it, it must indeed be the one and only, be all and end all position on the matter.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: May 1 2009, 02:48 PM

I duno how you read it as different, both of them says the same thing, every individual has their own expectation in life.

Not oni ezra, falcon do the same
but both look at other ppl and think that its diff
and therefore their discussion lead to nothing

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Added on May 1, 2009, 4:40 pmSo now im rich, a money minded gal come to me, and i should treat her as normal?

then what to do with gal money minded or not, guy rich is the guy business ROFL

Yalor!! Guy provide money oni ma!

So, what the very basic u can do?

but the objective of the discussion is?



This post has been edited by anti-informatic: May 1 2009, 04:40 PM

As I said...

Ezra: Glass half empty.

Silver: Glass half full.



Same thing leh..

Internet is serious business.

Look again at the words you used
Lower? Settle for less? That means his standard is STILL HIGH. *sigh* This is the point you don't get at all. There's no higher/lower, there is no right/wrong. There's just the person's requirements.


The general truth is useless in the face on individuality.

Not every guy needs or even wants social dominance.


On the surface it may SEEM like we're talking about the same thing, but dig a bit deeper and you'll see what we say is totally different.

Mental masturbation

Yes, can make lots of money

opposite
from the surface u both talking diff thing,
but dig in deeper actually is the same thing

actually it's very simple thing here....

a poor guy will betray me, a rich guy will also betray me....so i rather i'm with the rich 1....

Then you lagi dunno anything

Then, you do not know how to judge character.

Yup I find the same too.



nobody can judge character, human changes, they fall in love now doesnt mean they wont fall in love with another girl, unlike animals that only change when they turn senile.

You ever heard of the quote: it takes a lifetime to know someone
The meaning is until that person die, then only you can conclude what person he is.

I like to defer your statement

Poor guy went through lots of hardship and he'll appreciate relationship more compare to rich guy
Unless the girl is a spoilt brat.........

In my opinion, it should be a balance of 50 : 50. He doesnt need to own a bungalow or anything, what's important is that there is rice on the table. Cmon lar, now rich men are getting mistress all the time. Unless you choose to share your husband just for money (=