me too

Well if you insist, then we can continue it in here


We all generally agree that point but that is not the point of contention between ezra and I. He has the view that to be attractive you have to the alpha male, socially dominant, etc. In other words, he's trying to teach people to be attractive to others. The goal in his opinion, is to become attractive. That is putting the cart in front of the horse. Its all bass ackwards. Attraction comes as a result of something else, not as a goal in itself. If its a goal in itself, that attraction is shallow. A good example would be PUAs, they're great at attracting women, but most of them can't hold a serious relationship.

Think about it, is marriage a goal in itself? Do you commit to person to be married to them? Or do you marry a person out of your commitment to them? Do you go to the gym to look good so you can get a date or do you go to the gym to work out for your own health? Do you see the difference between our points now?

When I'm serious in C.C., its to help people. I don't agree with ezra because what he writes is filled with generalisation. People who buy into things like that are easily led astray, what he writes is not exactly wrong, it just lacks the foundation necessary to fully comprehend the meaning of those words. What he preaches are "extras" merely tips/techniques, which may give you positive results, but you can only improve so much on a weak foundation, some prodding and it will all crumble down.

That is what he lacks in his writing, and if you're sharp enough all the flaws in his foundation is glaringly obvious in how he writes.

can boys be money minded?

I think what's most important is that he is hardworking. Hard work = $$$ for me. <3

dono bout the rest, but i admit i am

i prefer gold bar than money

Thing is, a discussion when 2 party keep denying each other wont come to any good result
If can, change the topic to something else until both party agree to a point where u guys can gain more basic understanding bout what other party think, and back to previous topic.
But u 2 keep replying to each other now....the argument wont end after another 1000+ replies

In the animal kingdom, the female, will all the time, pick the males with the most capabilities and/or resources. It is the natural maternal instinct to choose their mate that can provide security for the female to nest and grow their young.

It is only in human, does this things get screwed backwards because females of the two legged tend to be stupid enough to neglect their instincts and to cohabitate with incapable, poor, and stupid males. In the end, they breed more stupid and poor people.

To those who complain about women being money minded, you're just being a sore loser.

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Added on May 3, 2009, 7:45 amThe journey of discourse is better than the destination itself, usually. The process of arguments/debates itself yields good benefits as it provokes one's mindset to think, rationalize, and form better arguments. It doesn't matter if they go into arguments over and over again. The gist is that they become more closer and loving in gay love over time.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: May 3 2009, 07:45 AM

Wait, I need to clear something up before I respond in avoid to go off-topic. Are we debating about:

1.) Whether girls are money minded or not
2.) Whether girls SHOULD be money minded or not
3.) Whether guys should be money minded or not
4.) Whether everyone should behave like in the animal kingdom

What do you reckon? survival of the fattest?

This is where I say everybody is right,

they're people who eagerly wanna get married, sometimes they think after signing the paper they've crossed the safe mark. The wifes is forever his or the husband is hers, they dun proceed to work harder to strenghten the rship. They slowly slack in the courting dept.

Some girls are so baby crazy they cant wait to get married and have their own children, children is their ultimate aim, husband is secondary, and some guys are in this cat also.

Some people when getting older they become desperate when everybody around them is married and they hurried to find a wife.

Some people are just bored of their life being single and rush to this also.

Some are pressured by family.

Some are pressured by spoused.

And finally those who fully understand the word commitment.

So you see they;re all kinda people out there, we cant pinpoint which couple is right or wrong, because nobody can predict which of the rship up there
will hold till death do us part.

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Added on May 3, 2009, 9:48 amAll of the above

This post has been edited by moorish: May 3 2009, 09:48 AM

is ok for girls to be money minded.. but it's best for couple to be equally rich if not later after marriage, their love will move on to their kids and childs.
At that time whoever is dependent have to obey to the richer 1. (the girl will lack the power to command)
If u are the girls which is dependent, are u willing to obey to every command given by ur husband?
some aren't willing to do so which result in argument while other trying to keep it to themselves when at time they feel the urge to divorce..this kinda happen to some of my relatives. her husband is the bad attitude and commanding type(almost the same if u compare to the 1st guy that earned 5 digit/month in the actual/last post)..

so girls....
rich guy but bad attitude even if they loved u = bad choice, u will be controlled like a slave
rich guy with good attitude but they dont really love u = mistress
rich guy with good attitude and they loved u = ur best bet( this apply only if u'r at the same level of richness as him)
poor guy with good attitude and they loved u = ur pet (this apply only if he's poorer than u)

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Added on May 3, 2009, 10:45 amsry for the bad grammer and spelling..

This post has been edited by decarusz: May 3 2009, 10:45 AM

Damn it. Do you get off to putting words in my mouth???

1) I mentioned that everyone has a different definition of "beauty" and "social dominance".
2) ...and that the real goal is to THRIVE in life and to be the best you can be, so that the potential partners available to you would be greater - giving you more freedom to choose in the game of love.
3) Written about this in detail before:


This post has been edited by ezralimm: May 3 2009, 11:08 AM

you forgot

so girls....
poor guy but bad attitude even if they loved u = bad choice, u will be controlled like a slave
poor guy with good attitude but they dont really love u = womanize
poor guy with good attitude and they loved u = ur best bet( this apply only if u'r at the same level financially as him)
rich guy with good attitude and they loved u = ur pet (this apply only if he's richer than u)

Let me say it from a guy's point of view.

I think everyone wants intimacy. Ya know, cuddling and spooning at 1am kinda intimacy. It feels good to be touched...It feels even better if it's someone you love.

Guys want sex.

There are three types of unmarried guys:
(yes it's a generalization. Up yours silver!!!)

1) Guys who are getting laid in a committed, loving relationship that would likely lead to marraige.
--> these guys are lucky.

2) Guys who are single but are getting laid regularly from casual sex partners --> these guys are likely to be quite attractive and have a certain amount of charm and charisma.

3) Guys who are single but are NOT getting laid regularly...or at all(!). --> These guys tend to either turn to prostitutes as they grow older, or remain virgins.

Type (1) guys are likely to marry. Type (2) guys will eventually marry and settle down as casual sex does not give that same intimacy and connectedness that most people crave as they grow older - it's like switching from craft brews to beer on tap... Familiar, enjoyed, plentiful. As they are quite attractive themselves, they would likely settle for a reasonably attractive woman. Type (3) guys have a very very strong incentive to get married - sex. Problem is that these guys tend to be less attractive and hence will face rejection over and over. They will try to be "nice" but still be brushed off as "nice guys"/"just friends"/etc as girls dont see them as potential partners (in bed).

One question....
since u know its generalization, why continue....?
After all there are quite some types of unmarried man does not fit into that 3 categories

there are grey areas in between of course...

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Added on May 3, 2009, 12:05 pm...and to tick silver off.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: May 3 2009, 12:05 PM

I'm not judging which is right/wrong for a person, but its to make a person THINK. Plenty of people in this topic will say that money is not important, love conquers all etc. Naive and cliche expressions, but with profound meaning that you must really think through/experience before you really understand what it means.

People always want things, and everyone has some sort of goal in their life, whether its short term or long term. The problem is, the amount of people who actually take the time to think of what they really need/want is pathetically small. Why do you want it? What will happen once you achieve it? Is this what you really want/need? These are very important questions to ask yourself.


Words are words, its easy to say/write something which has meaning on face value, but as I said before, the words you use betray everything. Most of the people in CC aren't sharp enough to read pass it, but there are quite a few who can.

You can't even generalise correctly . You missed out the guys in relationships who are not getting laid

Do you understand the meanings of the ad hominems that you use?


There's no point arguing with you because:

1) You put words in my mouth.
2) You use ad hominems and consistenly insist that "i miss the point" etc..
3) You have some kind of superiority complex.

I leave it to the readers of this forum to decide for yourself.

My views on relationships and the game of love can be found here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=986099

^I have attempted to make it as gender neutral (non-sexist) as possible, and any suggestions to improve it is welcome. Also, do bump it if you find it helpful

Ezra, you are Cupid Corner's mightiest keyboard jockey ever.

Have you ever had a girlfriend, or even kissed a girl or even HELD HANDS with one before?