just wondering has anyone here completed the hard trial with all the characters?
It makes me nearly crazy.....some moves sounds impossible.

complete characters: ryu, ken, chun li, guild, honda, zangief, dhalsim, balrog, blanka, akuma, gouken , sagat, m.bison

incomplete : seth, abel, viper, rufus, elf, vega (need advice )


This post has been edited by keenkeen: Jun 4 2009, 02:30 AM

the last time i checked...
TristanX and Phyurix completed the hard trials...
Phyurix completed it using a joypad before he got his stick converter...
Ask them for advice la, i oso headache, like u said, some of them is like WTH!!!
But i wish u luck bro...

I think you missed out some chars there, like Gen, Sakura, Cammy, Fei Long, Rose and Dan. Just to say la

Best thing for you to get some of the timing is when you check out the vids in youtube. To me, all the Hard trials are managable except for Viper. Using a pad was much much easy for her compare using a stick, heck I still cant pass trial 2 using a stick

Its better if you could let us know which trials for the char you may have problems with. I still remember the 1st time I tried Abels Hard trial took me almost 2 hours or more to clear it

Hey Tony, with a TE I don't think it'll be a problem for you. I used an old HORI stick, and it's not impossible on a DS3 for others. The key is muscle memory and plenty of patience! To condition your mind, try staying relaxed, have a plan, spare some time for SF-love and ensure you don't have to rush off to anywhere or bedtime. Love the characters. Know that the reason for these trials is not only for the Platinum trophy. It's a subtle way for Capcom to give ideas to discover everyone's B&B combos, Viper's TK cancel mixups and Elf's infinite loop. In fact, I really wished they'd release a DLC add-on to have more of these trials - I really had fun trying to complete it, with a fair share of anger as well!

Try to complete the harder ones first, and if you're stuck move on to other characters. Don't feel pressured and compelled to stick to just one character. I was surprised to get everything cleared really fast right after getting the game as I was also practicing other moves (non-scripted) on Dan as a lazy man's alternative to Training Mode. I discovered that Dan could not be stunned! (I later on found out that you could switch this option OFF in training - oops.)

If you feel that you're doing something wrong, YouTube "Kalelulen4" (thanks, mikeeeee) as he had taped all chars' trials. Scripts for each character can also be found at EventHubs, e.g. Viper's one here:
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/jul/0...haracter-guide/

My experience:

Viper: Use the HP TK cancel only, it has the fastest recovery. Some of my friends do like this (HP~hold, qcb~release HP~LP+MP), this way after HP comes out the TK cancel is done. White folks call this 'Negative Edge' as it involves 2 inputs with a single button press. Or you can try (HP, qcb+HP+MK~hold, LP+MP). Ring finger on HP, thumb on MK (MK won't come out, only HP due to higher hierarchy rule), index and middle fingers on LP, MP respectively. Why include MK? I find myself reacting to (HP -> qcb HP+MK) better than (HP -> qcb HP) faster, as the MK works like an anchor for me to progress to the next move. You may also want to read on her SJCs (Super Jump Cancels). Hope I explained it well and this may not work for other players with better reflexes. Also, if you really really want to pass her trial, you may want to remap the buttons to your own taste to make TK cancels easier.

Haha, I bet some of you are immitating the finger presses now

Vega and Cammy: Get your links' timings correct and you should be on your way. P-linking, kara buffer, or whatever it's called, is documented here and it's a good read: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=186686. More importantly, I find that it really improves my poor execution

I forgot how Sakura and Fei Long's was, but it was easy if you spare time with it. After EX-shinpuukyaku dash forward then Ultra is an effective way to get the timing correct, from what I see in real matches.

Seth, Rose, Dan: I assume the hardest trials are those involving holding the Focus to Level 2 at the correct length to count within the combo, right? Since you cleared Chun's then I don't think it'll be a problem with this bunch. Don't hold the FA too long as their FAs can reach Level 2 pretty quick.

Gen: All "multi button press" attacks in this game needs x5 inputs. Same with Lightning Legs and Electricity. Buffer x4 punches before the actual one's supposed to come out. Try this simple training: (MP x4, once the punch frame is almost finished, kara MK~HP). You will know what I mean. If you want to cheat, just use Turbo! One thing about Gen in this game: In Crane (PPP) stance, if you qcf x2 + KKK you will execute his Mantis Ultra; and vice versa ;-)

Abel: As with the others in general, it'll help if you don't follow the script and monitoring it to see if you're doing it correct. Try envisioning the actual combo execution and work TOWARDS the outcome. I got his hardest one done this way. Noticed that it uses the same theory for his infinite loop involving LP and fwd+MK? Capcom gave that one away free.

ELF: Okay...

Despite the script (HP first), start the combo with him running. You can treat this as a sort of RSF (Run-Stop-Fierce) training and you can really get the tempo down this way (qcf+LP). This is the actual loop I managed to get used to:

While running, (kara LP~HP(hold), qcf+LP) - repeat loop.

Why hold HP? In both SF and KOF games I am used to holding the 'opponent-hitting-button' before buffering to a special. This works like an anchor so other unwanted moves do not come out. Example: for Iori's HP, fwd.LP, Super it's extremely easy with (HP(hold), qcf+LP, release hold~HCB+HP). The button hold will prevent his fireball move from coming out, and counts as an input for his Super. Same goes with Ryu/Ken's d.HP into Super. It's to prevent srk/hadouken from coming out due to Negative Edge.

Coming back to RSF, try to fool your mind into thinking that the objective of this 'combo sequence' is to get ELF to run, instead of HP coming out - maybe this will help. Remember - he needs to stay in his run frame animation for a short while to close-in on distance which resulted from the previous HP impact. If you find the 3rd HP to be hitting too far away then you are cancelling the run too fast!

Try to train with this infinite loop (not combo) of hits first, to condition your muscle memory. Make it an automatic reaction. Once you get this correct, narrow the time gap between running and the kara LP~HP so he gets in closer WITHOUT the opponent recovering from the previous HP stun.

My result? On training I could get in around 100+ NON-COMBOING HPs until my fingers cramped out. This shows how easy it is if you take a systematic approach to getting your hand-to-eye coordination correct. The maximum HPs I could get to COMBO is a modest 6, and an average of 2.5. Then I trained on Balrog

It's very hard to use Elf in online matches due to the need to constantly perform inputs and cancels. RSF is quite impossible for me, even in matches with 4/5 bars. Timing gets disrupted due to connection spikes. To DS3 users, I know a friend who could do more than 4X consistently on a pad, and his record is 9. When I asked him how he does it, he said he just press what he thinks is correct

Anyone else's input is very much welcomed, and to anyone who's tried my suggestions please give feedback because they really work for me

This post has been edited by rawfish: Jun 4 2009, 12:55 PM

Oh ya hor, missed out them already, haha pai seh..
Phyurix, can i call u God of Pad ah? I cant imagine u could complete it v a pad for all those complicated moves!!!
Where have u been bro? long time didnt see ur name appear on my screen le.

Yeah, welcome back Hanzolo with ur new PS3. Since when u start using Sagat? Oh ya, Sagat!! The jump M.punch is so high-handed! i think tat is the strongest normal move in air.

Seldom could have chance to play with wongbrother too since he's bz v in famous, come back come back...hehe

Heloooo...
I use who oso kena whack by you nice nice...
the sagat middle punch in the air quite a priority... phyurix teach me wan...
since i got my new ps3, all my gamesaves hilang, need to do everything back...
of all the hard trials, i think cammy, zangief, rose, sagat, e.honda and ryu is the most simple coz those are the one's i've completed...

Hi Desmond!!
Must say thank you again for getting me the stick. Every morning when i wake up i feel like im charged by looking at it, hahaha

Wow, im so kam dong u spent ur time telling me all the tips n tricks, i wont let u down.
Ok ok, must be patient and good sense of timing ya.. u know everytime i play hard trial sure my room is full of @#$@#&* I know myself is a impatient person. so i must keep reminding myself control the game n dun let the game control me. otherwise my gf will see an Evil Ryu appears , haha

Long time we didnt meet each other, notice tat u gain some weight. Now look much handsome and matured (not old)
How's ur astig? If u really need a pair of glasses pls come n look for me, sure can get a super low price for my old friend

Mind if I join in? I'm playing on the 360, but there is a lot of useful insight on this thread. I need to improve my game, can't really play online with you people, but nice to read all the tips here. Thanks.

Yeah, our SF4 post is nearly to 100 !!
Tat will be a meaningful day ! lets celebrate it, but how ah? any idea?
let say, we post those active players (SF4) gamer tag on tat day?
My english is poor, i try to make u guys understand this:
since there r many inactive players on the list so in order to filter it, we post the psn ID of those who you always play with. If u see their id appear on screen but u never played with also count.

For example:
Those active players i always see them online: (let me on my PS3 1st...)..(after a few minutes...)
1. Tristanx
2. GigatonPress83
3. OnestopBROTHER
4. Phyurix
5. Boogalogist
6. Hanzsolo79
7. Maxswei
8. danger46
9. wongbrother
10.
11.
12. and so on....

After we collected all the info then we can regroup the tags and come out with a new list to show those active Fighters.

Wat do u think guys? any suggestion or objection?

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Added on June 4, 2009, 2:00 pmWelcome to our family, Friction!
Yes, u can play on line with us. Just buy a PS3 then we can play day n night, haha(kidding)

This post has been edited by keenkeen: Jun 4 2009, 02:00 PM

Desmond AKA Rawfish... yup... he must be one of the nicest fellows...
That day called me to inform me about the seimitsu order, sound so polite...
Not all street fighter players are barbarians eh?
Keen, when i'm doing my hard trials, not only swearing @#$%^ like hell but my ashtray also full of cigarette butts coz smoke too much!!
But always try try and try again...
Anyway, i'm glad u got the TE stick...
I got the SE stick and guess all the rumours are true, only 2hours play and the down/left direction kenot register liao...
Have to wait for replacement parts to reach me lo...

This post has been edited by hanz079: Jun 4 2009, 02:12 PM

lol.. new here...

do add my psn-id (see siggy).. now evrynight also play

currently playin arcade mode on hardest diff...

Complete: Ryu, Ken, Akuma (others i think play 100 years also kenot win lol... even wif those 3 also i think almoz 30x accumulated continues due to kena rape by Seth)

akakakaka
i am so hooked on on InFamous and my brother was busy in exam.
i couldnt beat you before and now i dun think i'd even stand a chance to win a single round. hahahaha
damn i even have problems beating AIs now.
i guess when i'm new to the game, 1 week is enough to nullify 4 months of muscle memory.

Welcome to our SF4 thread. CPU will always have a weakness. You have to exploit that and you have to find out what will it do on every character.

I've cleared all the hard trials 2-3 months ago. Some trial requires you to do a lot of things in one second.

lol not so easy also... need alot concentration.. computer timing damn accurate..

if finger slipped... move din come out... wide open gg.com lol...

what else can hit you with an ultra between 2 jabs links

AI FTW. hahaha

Haha, mine's in storage for the time being but I plan to take it out soon!
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=26330537

Alan's really contributing well to give proper SF4 coverage in this country. Good job, man - this Mid Valley tourney is gonna receive a great turnout!

In here, hope to hear everyone share their experience too. Nice of boogalogist and the rest to give winning tips against their characters, post-matches. Sharing is important - otherwise no one can learn and progress.

Ah keenkeen, you still look good yourself - glad to have met you after many many years of MIA. One day I'll give you a call if I'm nearby your place ok Hey - I'm sure you will also remember TristanX (Mark), you should know him in person too.

Hi there and welcome, fellow 360 brother. How's the network connectivity over Live? PSN'ers are having a bad time, mostly with international matches, even to JP/HK. But I'm doing fine with 4 to 5/5 network bars with local friends - as others mostly do. Most of us are on Streamyx so when it's laggy/down we just give up and carry on with our own lives or rant about it here haha. And with the PC version coming out soon this year hopefully it will bridge the online gap between PS3 and 360! Worse to worse I will play Ryu and Ken as wireframe stickmen with the lowest settings on my old AGP, Athlon64 rig

Hey thanks, just felt I should update you guys. Just go to any arcades and you can see SF/KOF being played by people of all walks of life. I heard the arcade scene in KK is still lively. Sorry to hear about your SE, we all hope to get the parts soon too.

Guys, any idea where I can get the region 3 of this game? I try searching up and down, all I got is Region 2. Location Subang/USJ

Haha - AI rocks man.

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Added on June 4, 2009, 4:04 pmI do not know any places around your area, but you can try these 3, in order of closeness to your location:

1) Djinn (his forum nick): shop Gamers Hideout at Cineleisure
2) sce (his forum nick): shop at S&M Shopping Arcade, near Petaling Street
3) Freddy, 012-6-five-five-0536 : shop Games Hypermart at Sg Wang Plaza

This post has been edited by rawfish: Jun 4 2009, 04:04 PM

i hate SETH!!! dam bully
though i use seth im like tofu lol

Thanks for the info bro.

I have 2 more question

1) R3 copies mostly are in korean manual?

2) Can the alternate costume from PSN SG be used in those korean manual copies?

TQ people.