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Bodybuilding Bodybuilding Thread V5, Lets pump some blood into some muscles

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yeah_guyz
post Mar 5 2009, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(uhuk-uhuk @ Mar 5 2009, 01:54 AM)
Concerning the heavy-weights low-rep workout (5x5), the main purpose is to activate "sleeping" muscle fibres which have not been given a reason to be active because of the lack of intensity. Yes, you may lift moderate weights for 15 reps but only the last few reps (perhaps the last 2 or 3), when you are finding it harder to lift, would actually contribute the most to the "waking-up" of the inactive muscle fibres.

So, now that it is clear that the greatest stress is caused by the last few reps, wouldn't it be good to have stress from the very beginning? Of course, you cannot have stress by using moderate weights. You would need to up your poundages to a certain degree that even the first two or three reps of your set would have already put your muscles under stress. When this is done for a few sets (5x5), additional muscle fibers would have a role to play because your muscle fibers are already fatigued. There is now a reason for your muscles to grow.
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20reps squat then? XD
with heavy weight, 80% to 90% your 5RM
your muscle will be shocked again
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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Mar 5 2009, 09:52 AM)
LOL, that is the most ridiculous aesthetic need for bodybuilding I've heard.

I'd like to see some replies to that.
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if it is too side ways it looks like man boobs... and i dont want it that way... because i dont go to gym i am limited to only a few moves i know.. probably i have been working out just that part and only that part enlarge

bodybuilding is about sculpturing ur body to ur liking right? i remember arnold's interview... if u want a certain musccle/part of ur body to look bigger/nicer u work that particular part

QUOTE(JonYeap @ Mar 5 2009, 10:03 AM)
rofl...
haha...
positioning ur nipple?
well, maybe he meant by targeting ur muscle so it looks as if the nipple were somewhere there.
different workout or angle target different specific parts.
try to find out which works.
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yes yes... my trainer did mention about it.. but he showed me with d machine... i wonder is there anyway else with dumbells? i dont go gym i work out from home... so it is a bit hard for me
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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 5 2009, 10:16 AM)
20reps squat then? XD
with heavy weight, 80% to 90% your 5RM
your muscle will be shocked again
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I am quiet curious wif this routine..doing 20 reps of 80% 5RM would be tiring. Muscles would be exhausted, but muscles cannot get big from exhaustion.. it gets big from overloading. That is the basis of all those low rep heavy weight routine. I am sure that by doing 20 reps you'lll boost your testosterone and hgh levels.. but this could also be achieve by doing regular strength training program like madcow and max ot. Varying the routine is ok but i just don't get the 20 reps..other than the increase intensity.


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post Mar 5 2009, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Mar 5 2009, 10:31 AM)
if it is too side ways it looks like man boobs... and i dont want it that way... because i dont go to gym i am limited to only a few moves i know.. probably i have been working out just that part and only that part enlarge

bodybuilding is about sculpturing ur body to ur liking right? i remember arnold's interview... if u want a certain musccle/part of ur body to look bigger/nicer u work that particular part
yes yes... my trainer did mention about it.. but he showed me with d machine... i wonder is there anyway else with dumbells? i dont go gym i work out from home... so it is a bit hard for me
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well, do different angle of bench presses.
eh wait a min, u got a bench?
if none, then its a bit hard.
oh... u only got dumbell rite?
then u got to do dumbell press different angles...
shape ur chest the way u want it...
not too sure bout it, but someone said something like different angle target different parts of the chest.
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QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Mar 5 2009, 11:38 AM)
I am quiet curious wif this routine..doing 20 reps of 80% 5RM would be tiring.  Muscles would be exhausted, but muscles cannot get big from exhaustion.. it gets big from overloading.  That is the basis of all those low rep heavy weight routine. I am sure that by doing 20 reps you'lll boost your testosterone and hgh levels.. but this could also be achieve by doing regular strength training program like madcow and max ot. Varying the routine is ok but i just don't get the 20 reps..other than the increase intensity.
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found some link
happy reading
do check the link inside
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/20_Rep_Squats

http://ezinearticles.com/?Get-Big-Muscle-F...quats&id=714241

QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 2 2009, 12:36 AM)
saw this when surfing net...lol tongue.gif

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...arting_strength
T-Nation: Speaking of stupid shit, or rather, crazy shit, a section of your book Strong Enough?: Thoughts from Thirty Years of Barbell Training talked about the mental benefits of 20-rep squats. Can you go a bit more into that?


Rippetoe:
This isn't something I dreamed up. Strossen's written about it. Perry Rader's old programs from the '40s and '50s involved 20-rep squats. 20-rep squats are not a beginner's thing, because beginners can't possibly do them correctly. But for an intermediate lifter who wants to take six or eight weeks and grow some legs, 20-rep squats do a marvelous job.

It does make you tough. But most people can't stand to do the damn thing. If you're doing it right, you won't go more than six or eight weeks. You just can't. At least I couldn't, and I'm kind of stupid about that kind of stuff.

For an actual, no shit, set of 20 squats, you're going to pick a weight that you previously thought was your 10-rep max. And you're going to do 10 reps with it. Then you're going to do the 11th rep, and you're gonna breathe a little bit. And finally, you're gonna finish the 19th rep, and Jesus is gonna be talking to you about this time.

Then you're gonna finish the 20th rep, and you'll somehow get it back in the rack, and then you collapse. You'll get tunnel vision and your hearing will change while you're trying to catch your breath. All kinds of weird peripheral central nervous system effects will take place.

What you normally find is that you're laying on the ground, and you think, "Oh my God, I'm so glad that's over with." And then after about five minutes, the realization occurs, "I gotta do this again next week with another ten pounds. Oh shit."

Most people can't deal with that for a long period of time. But it's terribly useful for short periods of time.
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totaly wrong... everybdy got diffrn kind of metoblzma and body shape from genetic... u gotta work out diffrn style to see the result...u cant copy what people do...if i do 2 set bicep work out...is not mean same thing u can do...train yaslf...and see wich is workin out well...don copy simply...
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QUOTE(bebeq @ Mar 5 2009, 01:21 PM)
totaly wrong... everybdy got diffrn kind of metoblzma and body shape from genetic... u gotta work out diffrn style to see the result...u cant copy what people do...if i do 2 set bicep work out...is not mean same thing u can do...train yaslf...and see wich is workin out well...don copy simply...
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which post you refering? if you refered to mine,

i didnt said that you will see the result 100%,many factor playing inside, if you do a good program without proper diet, you will still fail

those program is proven well program with proper diet, they give alot usefull guideline and compound movement
and most important thing is they give you the basic idea and basic knowledge! do you think your bicep will grow big with just doing biceps curls?

for those simply copy, i dont see anything wrong with it, at least for novice like me. (not talking about 20 reps program, if you donno the squat form, it will push you to death tongue.gif )

and most importantly you know what the hell you are doing for. and i am trying different program as well


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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 5 2009, 10:16 AM)
20reps squat then? XD
with heavy weight, 80% to 90% your 5RM
your muscle will be shocked again
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A crash set for squats would be okay.
About 12 to 15 reps in a single crash set.
3 mini sets in a Crash Set, with 30 secs rest in between.
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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 5 2009, 01:12 PM)
Thanks for that .. a good read. Though these routines are not for novices i think..easily prone to injury if u dont know your limits.
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peeps, i have been doin 20 rep squats for a month now.
but i feel that i am not feeling much from the squat like soreness or "that feeling u get on the next day afta u workout " .
i am almost approaching carying my bw squat but i dont wanna get into that too fast coz i am still am begineer in squats.
izit becoz of my weight or my form?
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Mar 5 2009, 11:48 AM)
well, do different angle of bench presses.
eh wait a min, u got a bench?
if none, then its a bit hard.
oh... u only got dumbell rite?
then u got to do dumbell press different angles...
shape ur chest the way u want it...
not too sure bout it, but someone said something like different angle target different parts of the chest.
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yea.. no bench,,, is it? diff angles for diff parts i know.. waht what r d angles?

QUOTE(bebeq @ Mar 5 2009, 01:21 PM)
totaly wrong... everybdy got diffrn kind of metoblzma and body shape from genetic... u gotta work out diffrn style to see the result...u cant copy what people do...if i do 2 set bicep work out...is not mean same thing u can do...train yaslf...and see wich is workin out well...don copy simply...
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heh? like that 1 meh? i thought everybody's body part is d same.. just diff size
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Mar 6 2009, 01:16 PM)
yea.. no bench,,, is it? diff angles for diff parts i know.. waht what r d angles?
heh? like that 1 meh? i thought everybody's body part is d same.. just diff size
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wat do u mean waht whare r d angles?
u see the bench got different degree of angles.
thats what i am talking about.
some work on ur top, mid, and lower chest areas.
u can do variety of sections with the bench and dumbell.
u dont have then, try think of another solution. =.=
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QUOTE(anonymousover9000 @ Mar 6 2009, 01:13 PM)
peeps, i have been doin 20 rep squats for a month now.
but i feel that i am not feeling much from the squat like soreness or "that feeling u get on the next day afta u workout " .
i am almost approaching carying my bw squat but i dont wanna get into that too fast coz i am still am begineer in squats.
izit becoz of my weight or my form?
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you SHOULDN'T do 20reppers as a beginner
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Mar 5 2009, 11:48 AM)
well, do different angle of bench presses.
eh wait a min, u got a bench?
if none, then its a bit hard.
oh... u only got dumbell rite?
then u got to do dumbell press different angles...
shape ur chest the way u want it...
not too sure bout it, but someone said something like different angle target different parts of the chest.
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The shape of your chest is genetically-controlled.

One might long for squarish pecs but if your genes says no, then no it is.

The same goes for abs. Some people might have ab separation while others have packs which are neatly and closely packed like Tom Venuto's.

But, of course, it is possible to target different areas of the chest despite it being a pec as a whole.
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QUOTE(anonymousover9000 @ Mar 6 2009, 01:13 PM)
peeps, i have been doin 20 rep squats for a month now.
but i feel that i am not feeling much from the squat like soreness or "that feeling u get on the next day afta u workout " .
i am almost approaching carying my bw squat but i dont wanna get into that too fast coz i am still am begineer in squats.
izit becoz of my weight or my form?
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yap, 20 reps is not for novice, but i only have half year exp of lifting weight, i think i am under novice category as well, but i think it is allright as long as you know the proper form of squat


ya, exactly the same thing happened to me also. when 1st started, there is a slight soreness, but after awhile, the soreness has been decrease alot for following squat, but it cames again after i reach a quite heavy squat. i miss the soreness given when my 1st dumbbell squat... there is only 10kg dumbbell each side
haha, sore for 1 whole week. now i think my body already get used to the workload


now, all and i want to learn is clean, snatch bla bla movement, they looks interesting. have to do alot of study for that. try and error, try and error.

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QUOTE(anonymousover9000 @ Mar 6 2009, 01:13 PM)
peeps, i have been doin 20 rep squats for a month now.
but i feel that i am not feeling much from the squat like soreness or "that feeling u get on the next day afta u workout " .
i am almost approaching carying my bw squat but i dont wanna get into that too fast coz i am still am begineer in squats.
izit becoz of my weight or my form?
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Soreness should not be a measurement of progress. The measuring tape and the mirror is.

You just started.. doing 20 reps squats with 5RM weight is not a good idea. Focus on perfecting your form, intensity will come as u progress.


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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 6 2009, 07:54 PM)
yap, 20 reps is not for novice, but i only have half year exp of lifting weight, i think i am under novice category as well, but i think it is allright as long as you know the proper form of squat
ya, exactly the same thing happened to me also. when 1st started, there is a slight soreness, but after awhile, the soreness has been decrease alot for following squat, but it cames again after i reach a quite heavy squat. i miss the soreness given when my 1st dumbbell squat... there is only 10kg dumbbell each side
haha, sore for 1 whole week. now i think my body already get used to the workload
now, all and i want to learn is clean, snatch bla bla movement, they looks interesting. have to do alot of study for that. try and error, try and error.
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I can help you there. Really. brows.gif
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Mar 6 2009, 09:29 PM)
I can help you there. Really. brows.gif
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good good!! tongue.gif

Power Clean! XD is to replace with row

or hang clean 1st?


http://www.myfit.ca/exercisedatabase/viewa...xercises&id=127

omg, this lifter is HOT! wub.gif

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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 6 2009, 09:55 PM)
good good!!  tongue.gif

Power Clean! XD  is to replace with row

or hang clean 1st?
http://www.myfit.ca/exercisedatabase/viewa...xercises&id=127

omg, this lifter is HOT! wub.gif
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You can't replace the row with the power clean. The mechanics are all different, as are the purposes.

The video is generally quite good. Just the only thing I'd change is the girl's method of extension. She doesn't do a real triple extension, merely a jump. The triple extension comes from the shrug, hip/quad popping upwards and calves extending at the same moment. If you watch the video, she only shrugs powerfully but her hips and calves didn't extend as much as it should be. This is indicated by the backward motion of her legs. A real power clean should see your hips go upwards.

MY cue is keeping my body taut and straight. The moment it reaches the highest point,(near my hips) I'll shrug like a sicko. That's my cue, which helps my hip go upwards. Some lifters do it differently...like they consciously imagine extending their hips and quads. Whatever works for youlah.

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