Lucas,

NOT THAT THEY DONT WANT, THEY WORRY, WIN OR LOST, AT THE END, THEY WILL NEED TO FACE TO CONSEQUENCES AFTER THAT...

UNLESS THEY PREPARES TO MOVE TO OTHER COUNTRY,THEN MAYBE CAN LAH..

THATS WHY PREVIOUS ATTEMPT NO FARMERS DARES TO SUBMIT NAME!!...

WHO IS GOING TO PROTECT THEM??

GREETING SALAM OR EVEN CHANGE TO THEIR RELIGIOUS WILL NOT HELP !!!!  .....

SO, HOW??
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Hey guys, need some help!

Anyone with knowledge about Kelantan's status and how much they are charging for the license for  BH matters. Any special conditions as to the application. Our General in action need this information.

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Added on May 30, 2009, 2:55 pm
Me no Sifu but your friend in need, maybe.

1. Let begin your problem solving by asking yourself some questions as before anyone can be able to help you, our  experts around need to know more as we are no fortune tellers here. Questions and then try to answer them yourself first......

2. Start Day one till now, how the birds reaction to your BH? Giving a brief descriptions of the birds attraction to your BH, birds in the BH, shits and when they started  making nests and how and when it happened and when it stopped do so or have you did some modifications before or after you did so modifications.
3. Ask yourself as many questions as possible and maybe, you may not require any help as after you finished with your own lines of questions, you have already know the answers to your problems. Sometime some simple answers we often overlook and we are expecting difficult trouble......I do sometime and I knocked my own head and yelled," How's silly of me"

Hope the above help you in a small way...........anyone Sifu may want to help  and give their opinions to assist our friend in need?

# As to your request for CD exchange, PM me although I don't need new sounds but will exchange with you all except the oldest that's my first LOVE. Hahahaha

My motto is one good bird call is worth more than 10 birds calls in the bush.

QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Nov 3 2009, 09:04 PM)
Dear Bro West Wing, where can i get my hands on Dr. Chris's book?

I overlook your this question and sorry........but I haven't read any book on swiftlets by any expert and all I learn is by old way and that's by trial and errors..... sometime right and sometime wrong but if it worked for me, I just let you know and hope that it work for you, sharing our experiences in the trade make us all better men. As I did mentioned before, I would one day like to read books on swiftlets by experts but surely I am not buying but just borrowing lah cos I am very calculative and also always past comments on other works or seminars  if I think that it is wrong or incorrect............. which is very bad and no manner on my part. Although, I never mean any harm but just passing comments or disagreement on other works seem like an unhealthy thing to do ................Would someone please help our friend on it??

By the way, what's the latest news on the development in BH esp. @ town  but I know no news is good news!!!!! In my area, still no action by the authorities but some BH owners here are back to disco music day and night and aren't cooperating at all............sooner or later, we all get tembak and I have given up hope of trying to diffuse the situation as hopeless to try taking senses to cow's brain....today, they remember and follow and few days later, back to square one.

Found an interesting link to the differentiation of Collocolia into Fuciphagus & Domesticus
http://www.slideshare.net/yongkangbirdnest...lets-specialist
I do not know who put these together or it's sufficiently authoritative.
I may not have been very clear in my earlier posting, these are my thoughts in the eventuality that the one stop centre proposal doesnt take off.
1)Lobby you local MP to raise a private member bill in parliament to differentiate Collocalia into Fuciphagas & Domesticus.
Notice there IS research to attest to the differentiation, thus far there is NO research to challenge this. This way Perhilitan is removed from the picture altogether and only takes care of Fuciphagus which in reality really require their full attention. Also this will afford opportunities to better allocate their ALWAYS-short enforement resources. Since this forum has active members spread throughout, I think it is a worthwhile and feasible effort.

i found a blog can exchange the swiftlet sound like black cloud, tongkat ali ...........which "someone" sell it  quite expansive.
please visit this link.
http://swiftletsong.blogspot.com/

We were raped and raped and continuously raped like a prostitute.

I knew this project very well since 10 years ago when some idiot came up with the proposal of doing an animated film of Saladin. A saviour and a hero . They even hired the best animator from Disney to be consultant and even train to a couple of students but not all because of kiasu.
Budget was allocated and than pencil drawing also sketch out on the small production scale. I need to time travel this or there will be a muzeum already for recording the story.

Look now, first the plan was a movie. Money was already given than i heard a couple of project team quit and that disney guy never heard of already. Later they came out with the trailer to pool for money and show everywhere in public as well . Now almost 10 year, people already quit watching this stone age stories and pretty outdated with war and 2D animation. Even Princess and the Frog had finished the production and ticket been sold.

and due to the low budget, they now focusing on tv cartoon in series. haha

what next , just a TV commercial for kids " ding dang" " Tok Tok"...

When come to proposal for money, these bastards doesn't have any responsibility at all. the Office don't sack them and make them responsible or anything.

Saw a bat hanging in the roving area. Any suggestions as what is to be done?

Cant offer any opinion on the bats cos' I think we aim to create a cave environment. Once we get that, bats like it too. I think in the natural environment, bats & swiftlets share caves. Would like to listen to sifus' opinion.

It was shared in an earlier post (if recollection doesnt fail me) of a similar experience.
Just cant remember if a solution was offered then in the post.
My inference is that echolation is used only selectively (same way you use yr high beam for night driving).
This is borne out by the fact that when you see them in flight, you do not hear the clacking sound all the time.
Me thinks that birds at the point of going in dont use echolation (same way, you dont check for obstacles when you enter yr own room).
IMHO they fly in thru habit/conditioning and then turn on their ecolation in the dark to get to their own nest.

If it was my bird house, I will remove it immediately, and if need be, will install the partition incrementally ie maybe  3 inches at a time.
My 2 bits.

Just to share what I believe
1.How high should it be......obviously, the higher the better as there will be no obstruction to the bird and if your floor is high, you can even be there and the birds will not care nor concern about your present in the BH but then....beware, the higher it is, the more dangerous it is for you. The Better for the birds, but the  worst for you. Most accidents happened in BH are caused by falling off ladders and many have broken arm to tell tales. Simple thing like climbing ladder will be problematic when you are tired like having climbing up and down harvesting hundreds of nests and you may just slip and fall to the ground.

As for the holes in the BH for the birds to go down to the lower floors and again, caution as the holes may be your way to heaven as as you are working in a BH where lighting and congestion plus the unpleasant of wearing a mask will disorientate you and cause you to fall down. Best if you can have blocker around the holes although it may alittle obstruct the flight of the birds but it wil save your life. Remember the case of a BH owner (a Millionaire before venturing into the BH Buz) fell to his death in his BH thru a hole in the upper floor of his BH.

Doing a new BH, you must consider from both angles, the birds and you in particular.......not use of a successful BH  if you are dead.

Most of the designs that I have seem are typical types and most of them are similar. You see one, you have seen most of  them all but to me, many can have better designs for the birds if you are doing it in the plantation cos there are no building specifications to follow............obvoiusly, there are always risk to be the pioneer in designing new designs.

Don't ask me what I have in mind cos I won't be telling as I reserve it for myself.........my dream BH.

As always, above are my opinions on the matter and all may comments and happy to hear if I am wrong.

swiftlailai,

May I know the material you used for the partial partition ? Plywood ?

EBN buyers are at door steps wanting to buy EBN but we are not going to harvest nest no matter what the price even the temptation is there as they are offering quite high a price. We will allow the chick to fledged, then we harvest cos we will be assured of min. 25% increment next time around. Seeing all those big white nests up there are really a temptation to pluck but a promise to the swiftlets is a promise that I will uphold and I never allow my birds to suffer nor mourn the losses of their offspring..... even if they take swifltets off the list of protected species.

Come May, we shall have plentiful at our dinning table........WW .......Wine and Women....Opp so sorry...just joking lah so don't feel offended my pretty ladies.
pssss...I have posted over 500 in 2 years and all here and I must have nothing better to do but loiter here...........honestly, I read my emails and  most of the time, here. Must get me some better thing to do......or else bird feathers will start growing out from my buttock....and hopefully, birdnests too hahaha

Malaysia Birds Nest Expo 2010 (Sept 16 - 19)

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Mid Valley Exhibition Centre (MVEC), KL

http://tradelink.com.my/birdnest/

I would suggest a refrain from converting the ground floor to BH activities as you may face a backlash from the Local Authorities. I am not going to discuss the problems cause by the ground floor's conversion but all BH owners know it and if we stll persist an insist in doing so, GOD really need to help us this time if the Local Authorities take action. 

I have more to gain by converting of ground floor to BH activities but I rather wait and see. We want a solution so that we can remain @ town and we are still not there. Wait for the GP, and then if it allow us to do so, then we are in safe hand otherwise, your BHs may be demolished before the GP become enforce...........be safe, stay safe or at least stay put until the Storm is over for sure.

Beware what lie ahead if you proceed, my friends................my true and sincere advice.