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 Stock market V21, Huge Stimulus Age

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post Feb 18 2009, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:10 PM)
only if they could sustain the dividend payout.

note that they gave 4 sens during 2008, that time KNM price was around 1.80-2.00. you're getting 2% only, and that's before minus the 26% tax.

KNM today's closing price is 0.42
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Don't think they will declare dividend like that this year...
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Feb 18 2009, 05:12 PM)
point taken. but they havent issued new shares or anything major like that right? would it be safe to assume that dividends will be at least 3 cents? if all goes well with the stimulus and all.
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Even if they pay dividends, you'll still have to ask, where did they get the money to pay the dividends?

Some companies can actually neck deep with debts, with negative cash flow, and still they have the money to pay dividends... They're heavily financed by the banks, or money from new issue of shares and so on.


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Ya.. Zelan strong support is at 0.79 - 0.80. Lionind strong support around 0.65 -0.66.

I aim for both Zelan and Lionind. These 2 counters good for swing trade.. buy at low price den sell for profit. rclxms.gif
I bought Zelan at 0.795 and lionind at 0.66. icon_idea.gif

You bought any Zelan shares today when drop?



QUOTE(aoisky @ Feb 18 2009, 05:03 PM)
look at zelan go up again at one point today its price drop to 0.79 now rise again 0.815
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post Feb 18 2009, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Feb 18 2009, 05:16 PM)
Don't think they will declare dividend like that this year...
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neither me. if still give 4 sens, KNM would become dividend top pick jor laugh.gif
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post Feb 18 2009, 05:31 PM

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better becareful bcos alot of hidden news/info of alot companies whether in debt or have serious problems, it would hide from outside world/market until cannot tahan then only disclose. insider know but investor dont know.they know upfront and we dont know. invest blindly will be severely damage later on

better find out more indept first before going in to invest in the companies.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:28 PM)
neither me. if still give 4 sens, KNM would become dividend top pick jor laugh.gif
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KLK 1Q result out, EPS drop to 6 sen from 27 sen. Cash generation capability remain very strong. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:17 PM)
Ya.. Zelan strong support is at 0.79 - 0.80. Lionind strong support around 0.65 -0.66.

I aim for both Zelan and Lionind. These 2 counters good for swing trade.. buy at low price den sell for profit.  rclxms.gif
I bought Zelan at 0.795 and lionind at 0.66. icon_idea.gif

You bought any Zelan shares today when drop?
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I bought LIONIND at 0.665 just before CNY. Want to unload it yesterday if it rallied further but it went south! doh.gif

I'm glad I unload my SIME.... made 15% profit.... rclxms.gif

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Carlsberg 4Q result out, EPS halved from 8 sen to 3+ sen. Final dividend 7.5 sen.
Esso loss big on inventory write down.

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QUOTE(htt @ Feb 18 2009, 06:07 PM)
Carlsberg 4Q result out, EPS halved from 8 sen to 3+ sen. Final dividend 7.5 sen.
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7.5 sens only? no special dividends? unsure.gif

... not attractive jor.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 06:14 PM)
7.5 sens only? no special dividends?  unsure.gif

... not attractive jor.
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No Special dividend, but initiated stock buy back scheme.
Batu Kawan 1Q profit one third compared to last year.

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Feb 18 2009, 05:04 PM)
just wanna check, why people say KNM is pure goreng, correct me if i'm wrong.

Their dividend is 4 cents.

So lets say i invest about RM 1k, per year i get 0.04 x 2400 = RM 96

RM 96 / RM 1000 = about 9% returns. Isnt that pretty good? compared to standard cash deposit's returns?
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Ya, if u seach the internet, u will find some blogger ady mention KNM financial statement after acquired the BORSIG.

among the most detail can be found at uncle Sam blog:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29...308171050840034

Spend ur time to read, buy at ur own risk smile.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:17 PM)
Ya.. Zelan strong support is at 0.79 - 0.80. Lionind strong support around 0.65 -0.66.

I aim for both Zelan and Lionind. These 2 counters good for swing trade.. buy at low price den sell for profit.  rclxms.gif
I bought Zelan at 0.795 and lionind at 0.66. icon_idea.gif

You bought any Zelan shares today when drop?
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Yup me too this 2 is my fav counter lately
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QUOTE(Junior83 @ Feb 18 2009, 07:18 PM)
Ya, if u seach the internet, u will find some blogger ady mention KNM financial statement after acquired the BORSIG.

among the most detail can be found at uncle Sam blog:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29...308171050840034

Spend ur time to read, buy at ur own risk  smile.gif
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what do u think about this stock?
look like this counter very shaky not stable meh their current company?
but at the moment most of the company also like that
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QUOTE(htt @ Feb 18 2009, 05:52 PM)
KLK 1Q result out, EPS drop to 6 sen from 27 sen. Cash generation capability remain very strong. tongue.gif
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How come i still can't view it on BURSA? hmm.gif
got it.... soreeeeeeeee tongue.gif


Added on February 18, 2009, 8:02 pm
QUOTE(htt @ Feb 18 2009, 06:07 PM)
Carlsberg 4Q result out, EPS halved from 8 sen to 3+ sen. Final dividend 7.5 sen.
Esso loss big on inventory write down.
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wow, where are the alcoholics? tongue.gif
Btw, wat's ESSO?

This post has been edited by fergie1100: Feb 18 2009, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 18 2009, 05:54 PM)
I bought LIONIND at 0.665 just before CNY. Want to unload it yesterday if it rallied further but it went south!  doh.gif

I'm glad I unload my SIME.... made 15% profit....  rclxms.gif
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At what price you bought SIME ?
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Feb 18 2009, 07:54 PM)

Added on February 18, 2009, 8:02 pm
wow, where are the alcoholics?  tongue.gif
Btw, wat's ESSO?
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Alchoholic still there. But market share has been eroded by Guiness Tiger.

It is a bad bad quarterly result, especially during 4th Q whereby CNY approaching should register brisk sales and good profit, instead a poor poor 4th Q result.

It cannnot sustain anymore special dividend without earn enough (EPS).

Another problem is smuggling activities that eroded the alcoholic sales.

ESSO? don't know meh?
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Added on February 18, 2009, 8:57 pm
QUOTE(Baronic @ Feb 18 2009, 05:12 PM)
point taken. but they havent issued new shares or anything major like that right? would it be safe to assume that dividends will be at least 3 cents? if all goes well with the stimulus and all.
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Since its 4 cents interim dividend during April 2008, it has a bonus issue 2:1 and right issue of 1:4.

So more shares liao.





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post Feb 18 2009, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 18 2009, 08:51 PM)
Alchoholic still there. But market share has been eroded by Guiness Tiger.

It is a bad bad quarterly result, especially during 4th Q whereby CNY approaching should register brisk sales and good profit, instead a poor poor 4th Q result.

It cannnot sustain anymore special dividend without earn enough (EPS).

Another problem is smuggling activities that eroded the alcoholic sales.

ESSO? don't know meh?
Refiner for Exxon Mobil in Malaysia.
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I think the profit margin for breweries has eroded since 1 year ago due to intense competition. Last time 1 carton usually about $110-130,
nowadays since before Chinese New year till now $88-100
I'm quite interested to buy Carlsberg stock but still feel unsure.

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so i expect Carlsberg share price to plunge on tomolo!

it has been surging up from 3.6x to 3.80 for no reason!!!

with poor quarterly report + no special dividend, its price must go down!!!
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Feb 18 2009, 08:59 PM)
I think the profit margin for breweries has eroded since 1 year ago due to intense competition. Last time 1 carton usually about $110-120,
nowadays since  before Chinese New year till now $88-100
I'm quite interested to buy Carlsberg stock but still feel unsure.
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Since late 2-3 years Carlsberg result is deteoriating while Guiness still hold on its profit quite strongly, it just sum up the market share issue.

Infact Guiness is giving out around 40-46 cents pa (sustainable with EPS), while Carlsberg is struggling to give generous dividend (while some special dividend are given based on accumulated profit/cash not from sustaintable EPS).

Margin is squeezed since 3-4 years ago when gov raised the alcoholic tax.


Added on February 18, 2009, 9:05 pm
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 09:04 PM)
so i expect Carlsberg share price to plunge on tomolo!

it has been surging up from 3.6x to 3.80 for no reason!!!

with poor quarterly report + no special dividend, its price must go down!!!
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No interest to buy this stock anymore. ohmy.gif

This post has been edited by cherroy: Feb 18 2009, 09:05 PM

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