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post Feb 14 2009, 11:04 AM, updated 17y ago

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Start of the huge stimulus age... tongue.gif

From V20
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/905498/+2520

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post Feb 14 2009, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Feb 14 2009, 01:44 PM)
Let me be the one that start this thread can?!?!?!

i will only start v21 and v22 because my buying in stock/share will officially be over come month of June 09. This 4 month is going for kill!!! so version 21 and 22 very important for me!!!

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Hehe... because V20 closed mah... then I mah just respond opening V21 loh tongue.gif
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post Feb 18 2009, 01:27 PM

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This quarter's quarterly result generally still not out, slow compare to last few quarter... why? hmm.gif
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post Feb 18 2009, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:10 PM)
only if they could sustain the dividend payout.

note that they gave 4 sens during 2008, that time KNM price was around 1.80-2.00. you're getting 2% only, and that's before minus the 26% tax.

KNM today's closing price is 0.42
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Don't think they will declare dividend like that this year...
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post Feb 18 2009, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:28 PM)
neither me. if still give 4 sens, KNM would become dividend top pick jor laugh.gif
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KLK 1Q result out, EPS drop to 6 sen from 27 sen. Cash generation capability remain very strong. tongue.gif
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post Feb 18 2009, 06:07 PM

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Carlsberg 4Q result out, EPS halved from 8 sen to 3+ sen. Final dividend 7.5 sen.
Esso loss big on inventory write down.

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post Feb 18 2009, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 18 2009, 06:14 PM)
7.5 sens only? no special dividends?  unsure.gif

... not attractive jor.
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No Special dividend, but initiated stock buy back scheme.
Batu Kawan 1Q profit one third compared to last year.

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Feb 25 2009, 04:01 PM)
Looking at the bright side:
Cash 513,196 <-- 105,330  tongue.gif

However, NAV 0.46 <- 0.53... sad.gif
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The cash not enough to pay the short term liabilities leh, and cash raised mainly from increasing liabilities, and guess 100+m already sink back to the loan when they take out new debt from Maybank, also new debt raised from Maybank is 3 year term loan, 1/3 due in the year and the rest phase in coming 2 years. Also they break the goodwill into goodwill + intangible asset (and amount grow 200+), and... I kind of doomsayer... please don't kill me... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Feb 26 2009, 10:56 AM)
I think Huaan case is quite obvious. All the steel counters reports bad results to date.
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They claim raw material cost too high, something like RMB12xx while finished goods at RMB15xx (I don't think 1 ton of raw material can end up with 1 ton of finished good, then obviously the more you produce, the more you loss), but I wonder why they keep producing at almost full speed when producing at loss, weird logic...
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post Feb 26 2009, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Feb 26 2009, 12:24 PM)
Sometimes a company will sell a product for a loss. Logic? there is fixed cost and variable cost. In theory, during bad times (utilization very low), as long as product cost is more than variable cost, it is worth doing it. Else, the company will inccur more losses. That's what really happening in semiconductor industry nowadays... doh.gif
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Haha... but I think for their case selling price not even can cover material cost, then I rather let the plant idle than run... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Feb 26 2009, 01:23 PM)
If that's the case, maybe they already take the contract, but the buying is later. This could be also another reason. I don't think a company is so dumb to run for a loss (only run to reduce loses, I understand).
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Sometime there is another scenario where the customer e.g. steel plant is own by the same group (or related) of people, then minority shareholder of the supplier e.g. Huaan might suffer without even knowing that... cry.gif
But 4Q is over, now have to look forward for 1Q'09 liao, if they continue performance of 4Q, then better dump them while you can...
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Maybank 9 for 20 right issue...
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Feb 27 2009, 07:56 PM)
mind to explain more?  hmm.gif
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Maybank going to issue right issue of 9 share per 20 share held currently.
The price is going to be around 40% discount from average price.
Aim to raise RM6b to boost up capital base.
No interim dividend announced.
No impairment of BII & MCB, will do it at FY end (if need to, but I can't see why it need not tongue.gif ).
Dividend policy no change.
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 2 2009, 07:00 AM)
You mean Maybank result will be very bad ?
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Maybank operating result inline with most of the bank at the moment. Provision up as current economy trend and expect worse to come (hopefully won't repeat another 97/98). Company tends to preserve cash at the moment, so dividend won't be very good (and most likely only final dividend to be looking forward to).
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Mar 2 2009, 08:57 AM)
40%? u mean it's gonna be around RM3.xx?  hmm.gif
if they issue more shares.... meaning the par value is going to reduce also rite?
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I think the price should be in range of RM2.70~RM3.30.
The par value will remain the same (they have no problem paying RM1 par value with even RM2.70 tongue.gif ).
Existing shareholders' shareholding won't be diluted if they subscribe to the right.
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Mar 2 2009, 10:09 AM)
i see.... so they are only raising the capital from the existing shareholders huh? wat if nobody is willing to subscribe? tongue.gif
BTW, GENTING 3.38 now!!!!  shocking.gif
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If you have ordinary share and don't want to subscribe, I might want to take your share... haha... they issue in discount so people cannot say don't want to buy (subscribe mean no win no loss, not subscribe loss immediately).
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Mar 2 2009, 09:53 AM)
wow.... that's pretty unfair huh? it's like forcing the existing shareholders to subscribe..... but i'm kind of confuse here...... with the extra no. of shares being issued, how did they maintain the RM1 par value?  hmm.gif
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if issue at RM2.70 => RM1 went to share capital (par value) & RM1.70 went to share premium. Then where got affect par value?
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Mar 2 2009, 10:41 AM)
i see.... now i started to understand a bit liao  tongue.gif if one decided not to subscribe b4 ex-date, the % of his/her ownership will be diff in the company already rite? so if say MAYBANK managed to raise the capital they needed, the market capitalization of MAYBANK will increase or remain the same? increase rite?
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Kind of. The market capital will be increase normally.
And like skid said, always subscribe excess, especially if you got odd lot from the issue (e.g. if you have 1,000 ordinary share, entitled for 450 right issue, but high chances you will get at least another 50 share if you apply for excess), priority will be given to those who want to round up to a full lot.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 2 2009, 09:32 PM)
AIRASIA - Financial year end net loss 471.739 million.

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awful, now AA can fly...to Holland sweat.gif
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Aiya, unwinding fuel and interest swap position mah, think this should be the last for a while, else result should be approx. 200+m black. The operation showing sign of recovery, even indo & thai operation also turn black.
Cannot just see the figure and judge lah, bro tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 2 2009, 10:39 PM)
Dow below 7000..... anybody going shopping tomorrow?  rclxub.gif
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