Okay, question that I haven't seen asked yet:

Did they really fool Fischer into accepting the idea? Was his father in the vault and the paper fan in the safe a creation of Eames? Or did Fischer genuinely come into that realization on his own? Remember Eames did say at one point, "I really wanted to see what's in there."

Damn I think the brainiacs from discussing this movie can also be insane!

just like building a house. architect isn't the one building it.

so, architect design, dreamer build.

It's going to be an endless discussion... and I have yet to give my opinion about the movie I have yet to watch!

I think after Eames and co. influenced him into thinking his goddad was trying to hide something, their job is already done. The last part where he discover the 'truth' should be the outcome of direction where they wanted him to think about at the first place.

Quick edit: Example, they already know that he will have a new decision already after deceiving him, so lastly the 'decision' that they expect in the end is actually based on how he want to portray the 'truth' himself.
Another example, Fischer could picture that his dad actually loves him and wants him to become a man himself by building his own empire. That is 1 possibility. Another possibility is he would potray the 'truth' that his dad hates him and said he doesn't deserve to succeed the great empire his dad has built on.
All in all there are a lot of other possibility but it just depend on how Fischer 'creates' the 'truth' himself which is the last thing we see in the 'safe vault'

This post has been edited by streethype: Jul 19 2010, 04:32 PM

The answer to the question you asked was clear to everyone else who watched the movie. If you missed it, it's obvious that you weren't concentrating. Or perhaps you're not used to giving a movie your full attention. You're the kind of person who takes phone calls in the cinema, aren't you?

remember the part where Cobb introduces Ariadne to the whole dream mumbo jumbo in the Paris like city? the Architect creates the layout of a place and the lets the subjects fill it up with their own projection.

what? i dont like spoilers, i sleep most of the time watching it.

some of us 'understood' or should i say 'got it' on the first sitting. I dont & cant explain why some can & some did not. its actually not a wholly complicated movie. I half expected it to have 9/10 people not understanding it in the end.


to watch it again for us (or me at least), it's to be 'entertained'.

I cant spend another sitting on other (blockbuster movies) because its some mindless action pack 3D that wont tickle my sub conscious.

i'm a dude who likes fight club, ocean' series, matrix, blade runner, 2001 space odessy blah blah blah.

ahh

you must be one of those anti-Di Crap io (even before movie sitting for inception) hehee

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Jul 19 2010, 04:42 PM

I've watch the movie, not bad lar, quite good, I'll give it a 8/10. But I still think Dark Knight is better tho.

There's a few things I want to add after I read some of the postings here:

1. Cobb and Saito actually went into the Limbo at the end, mean they cannot be saved ... in reality they 2 should be in coma, they will live in dreamland forever until ... die.

Cobb can have his dream come true where he can meet his children in the dream ... I not sure is this consider as good or bad ending.

Saito on the other hand I feel he get his karma ... he try to do bad thing to Fischer and end up sendiri went into coma forever ... haiz ...

2. Ariadne is the only person other than Cobb notice Cobb's mind is sick, a sick person will produce sick dream ... which is very dangerous if they are in a mission. Some part in Cobb's mind already lose control and cause many unwanted things to happen.

3. Mal in the dream is not the actual Mal, she is just the projection of Cobb's guilt and anger, that's why in the dream she is angry, violent, sad, and emotional. In real life Mal is a kind person, she will never attack other people.

4. Why Fischer mind is so hard to penetrate is because Fischer has been trained for dream defensive skill previously ... his sub-conscious will auto attack intruders aggressively.

5. Cobb does not live in dream all the while ... the totem did stop spinning at the beginning. He only stuck in dream after he went to save Saito.

Leap of Faith mean suicide. Because only when get kill you will wake up. But the problem is you have to be sure you are in a dream ... else you really die if you are in reality.

So you have to put faith that you suicide in dream.

I think that answers it lad. Its just not ur movie. that's all there is to it really.

heck, I remember that Batman Begins also bored of some fans.

of courselah , reality more important , didnt u learn that from inception! dont get stuck in your movies later cannot differentiate between reality and just a movie

You know, that's a good question. I'd forgotten Eames said that. I remember them saying that they wanted to fool Fisher into believing the Snow World is the godfather's dream (the godfather was never there in the first place) and that Eames was somehow involved in the dream itself. Maybe, that was Fisher's dream and Eames was the architect?

Nah I would think that its part an elaborate plot by them to plant the Inception, remember Eames had the time to scout out Fischer..but sadly the movie didnt show how thorough Eames went to..can only assume he might have stumbled upon the paper fan during his research of Fischer Jr..

and as for your second point Fischer died just before he could open the vault, hence Eames would have said that knowing that the plan to Incept with so many levels involved has failed. They planned it, surely they would wanted to see the results rite?

Well, if someone said "I slept in Batman Begins" and "I enjoice Pathfinder"... then I seriously

I hope so. Would be a nice ending for Fischer.

Ah, karma. Here's another perspective on the film that I just heard from a friend:

Cobb is not a good person. Neither is Saito. Both of them are trying to victimize Fischer, an innocent man. From a karma point of view, if Cobb is still trapped in a dream world at the end, it's because he deserves it.

Also, I mentioned this before - I got the impression that Cobb incepted an idea into Saito, the same idea he incepted into Mal. Which means that Saito would eventually believe that reality is not real, and that he will end up killing himself. Which, again, is what he deserves.

i would said that dark city is better than matrix if they have the same budget for special effect

Nice! Thanks for sharing that view.

Hairy, i'd ball my eyes out. haha.

Crap... now I almost know more than 50% of the film

No, the dreamer is always the architect. Ariadne designed each level, then taught them to each of the dreamers - Yusuf (level 1, city streets), Arthur (level 2, hotel), and Eames (level 3, snow fortress). That's why at the snow fortress level, Cobb asked her, "Did Eames add anything to the design?"