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Engineering Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME), Guide & everything about this career!

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post Mar 20 2012, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(thesun @ Mar 19 2012, 01:04 PM)
Mr jazzy please correct me if i'm wrong,
in simple words,
Type rating = only given to you after you complete basic license by the company QA.. if you were to work on B747, then u'll get B747 type rating.. dun worry this much, still a long journey to reach here..  biggrin.gif

I don't know how APR operates, but if students are given the options to choose their own trade, for example you wanna choose 1.1 Aeroplanes- Turbine, some modules or exams u take are the common/same  modules with other trades, only a few are unique to 1.1 Aeroplane-turbine

see here http://www.scribd.com/doc/77309830/AN-1101-app1
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from what i understand is=oral QA->license->company send for type rating..u dont need to have license to get your rating,but u need license,type rating and certain amount of hours on that particular aircraft to sign off.

and what was your question for parg 2 ?

easy way to remeber,1-10 is common,for 4 and 5,there's abit more for B2,6 and 7 lesser for B2..14 is like 1/4 of 15 but its only for B2,basically if u study 15,u will pass 14..


Added on March 20, 2012, 8:04 pm
QUOTE(camel90 @ Mar 19 2012, 09:37 PM)
@jazzy939 and other sifoos.
I want to know about getting a B2 license from CAA UK. No, don’t ask me why or what not, I was just simply doing research about getting license there. it' my curiosity and I could not find it at 1st page either, the link is not working.

Okay, here it goes :

I want to know about Part 66 License from CAA UK. Specifically, B2 (Avionics). These are all the documents I’ve read (yeah, sem break ma, got a lot free time to read tongue.gif ). I might have missed or misunderstood something. So, please do correct me.

The Engineer’s License Guiding Documents :
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ELGDBook_07_WebVersion.pdf
Section E, Category B2 License :
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/177/8355%20Section%20E_07.pdf

From my understanding, to get B2 license from CAA UK as a self starter applicants, not ATO students and etc, these are all I need :

1. Finish Module (all 12 of them, in Malaysia I guess we need to take them at British Council priced at 40 pounds each or RM350 per module if I’m not mistaken sweat.gif )

2. The minimum age to hold a Part-66 license is 18 years. In order to certify, the minimum age is 21.

3. Category B2 applicants who have not attended a part-147 approved course of training should have at least 5 years practical maintenance experience on operating aircraft. Experienced engineers within the UK, such as Skilled Workers, Armed Forces, Coast Guards and etc and these where I should get my logbook signed.

Is there anything else that I might have missed or misunderstood sir?
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gonna try to answer this without checking airlegs..wanna test my understanding and memory on mod10 which i sat in late 2010..hehe

1.All modules.P/S that consider cheap.in Aviation Australia they charge AUD130/hour.so if your exam is 65min,total damage would be AUD260.

2.Yes.

3.Can get signed off by LAME.I have 1 question for Jazzy,that Lame must be working in 145 ? Im confuse about this,some people said,no,some people said yes.

P/s:5 years is minimum,and u need to cover broad range of ATA chapter,they wouldnt give u any license if the task u did is only changing tyres.Its much more safer if let your company QA to apply it for u,so caa uk will have someone to hold in case anything happen.this is the advise from Dilog staff.

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post Mar 20 2012, 11:41 PM

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maryjane,
For Q3. No, it need not be EASA's Part 145. Local Regulatory Body's Part 145 is sufficient.
But from my point of view here is the catch.
That country should be a member of JAA, recognized, subscribed and implement the JAR as part of their Aviation Regulation biggrin.gif
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post Mar 21 2012, 05:15 PM

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confused on EASA part 145 and etc....LWTR? TAME?

so what is the difference if a person
>>take aircraft maintenance 1 and 2 under APR
>>the other one which take TAME course under APR...

which one can faster get working and have a higher pay?

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post Mar 21 2012, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(bandit94822 @ Mar 21 2012, 05:15 PM)
confused on EASA part 145 and etc....LWTR? TAME?

so what is the difference if a person
>>take aircraft maintenance 1 and 2 under APR 
>>the other one which take TAME course under APR...

which one can faster get working and have a higher pay?
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you must google and read and read and read. since i was just like you not long ago. i will try to explain what i already understand.

EASA Part 145 is an APPROVED MAINTENANCE ORGANISATION by EASA. you can refer here.
http://www.easa.europa.eu/approvals-and-st...SA_Part_145.pdf

LWTR is a license without type rating. to get a license without the type rating you must complete all the module exam for the license category you take and submit them along with the logbook/work schedule of 5 years (if you are non ATO student) or 2 years (if you are an ATO student).

ATO = Approved Training Organization. we've got only a few of them in malaysia and since i'm from MIAT, MIAT is not one of them yet. LOL.

TAME = Training in Aircraft Maintenance Engineering. i guess you got this term from APR website? yes, their TAME programme is one of the path to become an LAE. the best one (according to one of the senior technician in MHS Aviation where i'm having my one week as a trainee courtesy of one of high rank lecturer, mr hyder (he got me this place there for one week wink.gif ).

i can't answer this question
take aircraft maintenance 1 and 2 under APR

since i'm not their student and i don't want to read anything about them as i might regret of becoming a miat student. HAHAHA.

which one can faster get working and have a higher pay?
don't ask this question yet. there's no easy way in getting a license but once you get it and you enjoy working as an LAE it's all worth it (at least this is what that keeping me strive hard in my study). don't think about salary, you ask about salary in flylah i'm pretty sure all otai there (here also) will flame you tongue.gif tongue.gif


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post Mar 21 2012, 08:02 PM

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APR's Aircraft Mechanics Level 1 and 2 is NOT a license programme.
It's a mechanic's and technician's qualification programme.

Mechanic/Technician/Licensed Engineer, who will have higher pay? Obvious isn't it? laugh.gif

camel90, very good answer! thumbup.gif
You have improved leaps and bounds! nod.gif

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Mar 21 2012, 08:04 PM
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post Mar 21 2012, 09:50 PM

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woots....got an ok result for spm..though kinda sad for my physics..
Jazzy...if lvl 1 and 2 in apr is for technician,which is for license engineer? @.@
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QUOTE(GilaLaksa @ Mar 21 2012, 09:50 PM)
woots....got an ok result for spm..though kinda sad for my physics..
Jazzy...if lvl 1 and 2 in apr is for technician,which is for license engineer? @.@
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for an SPM grad student and at the same time is aiming to become an LAE (it's just one of the path to become one, the rest is your hardwork in your study too of course tongue.gif ). i'm pretty sure this is the programme that is suitable for you from APR.

http://www.aeroprecision.com.my/training/tame.htm

hurm hmm.gif

if you google around for other ATO(s), there are some other courses from other training organisations as well.

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Owh yeah i did found out about the TAME program at APR. Somehow confused it with level 1 and 2 LOL! Still need to contact DCA one day...the only ATO i know is from wat jazzy told me haha
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I can assure you that DCA will mention two names, one is obviously APR. The other DTS(Dilog Training Services).
In another forum, from the last count, there are about 18 organizations offering this so called EASA-66 and/or DCAM Part 66 courses partnered with some diploma in aircraft maintenance, whatever.
Approved or not, at the end of the day just ask, will you be getting the DCAM AML(Engineer)?
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thanks Jazzy and camel alot lol thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

Now i just stick to APR june TAME intake.

jus got my SPM result...i think i got good grades for the right subjects required to become aircraft mechanic/maintenance crew cool2.gif

Physics and Maths A+
Eng A-
BM B+ (will try to request for recalc marks) laugh.gif
Add maths A-
others subjects i think not related whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(azameel @ Feb 3 2009, 06:31 PM)
First of all dont get confuse, while we may called it a LAME, easa system classify lae as a technician. So basically mechanics = junior tech./mechanic and LAME = Service Technician
- Bcar section L license or Easa Part 66 Cat B1/B2 License,
      -Experience is needed to obtain the license, no education qualification
      needed for the license, but for the Nilai, Miat etc, depends on their     
      program

2. To obtain the license there is two best way, either by Miat, Nilai, Metc, 
    Apr etc. these are local institution. You need SPM for this
    For The other option, The part 147 one, i think it is not available locally,
    try to look for it on the net.But its i going to be expensive without any 
    loan.For both of this program, you will follow the
    Institution program, no need to do anything else other than completing
    the program, everything should be instructed by them.
-Easa requirement is completion of all easa ,module/courses/subject
        and 2 yr (for part 147) or 5 years(for self obtained license) of experience
      -For BCAR, refer here BCAR SECTION L  and also download and read this AN5 - Application For Malaysian Aircaft Maintenance Engineers Licence and also this AN85 - Approval Of Training Organisations
- DCA is Department of Civil Aviation or JPA, Jabatan Penerbangan
        Awam, it is the local aviation authorities, BCAR is British Civil 
        Airworthiness Requirements whisch is simillar to Easa, but later on
        Easa will be replacing it.Part 147 is just a code name of an Easa 
        Approved training school.
We are them, but usually we dont do the dirty jobs, we just instruct
        them to do the task, but a good LAE should be involved in the job,
        since it is your responsibility if anything goes wrong, not the
        mechanic.But it all depends on the task, if it were a simple task we
        just instruct them to, then we have to inspect once it is done and
        approved it. If it is a major job, LAE involvement on the task should
        be more.

Flight Engineers is those who are in the cockpit during flight, ypu can see a third person in the cockpit whose job is to monitor all the aircraft system,but it is now almost obsolete since most aircarft now only need tow crew to fly. Flight engineer is replaced by computers

Tech service engineer are those who need to do calculation and all.Simillar to a normal engineer.If some modification is needed but not available in the Maintenance Manual, they are the one who should handle this, whether by coming out with their own solution or directly from the manufacturer (Boeing, Airbus).Salary im not sure

*Update on license/rating at my first post
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do we need to do degree to start working?
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Anyone here taking DCAM??
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post Mar 22 2012, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(CalintzZ @ Mar 21 2012, 11:46 PM)
Anyone here taking DCAM??
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post Mar 22 2012, 07:29 AM

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What he meant was; 'Is there anyone here taking DCAM Part-66 module examinations?'

Correct, bandit? biggrin.gif
BTW, why are you enrolling in June? Can't make it in April? PLKN?

loudness.jr, for the millionth time, NO!
Have you not read the postings here or you have short term memory loss? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 22 2012, 07:29 AM)
What he meant was; 'Is there anyone here taking DCAM Part-66 module examinations?'

Correct, bandit? biggrin.gif
BTW, why are you enrolling in June? Can't make it in April? PLKN?

loudness.jr, for the millionth time, NO!
Have you not read the postings here or you have short term memory loss? laugh.gif
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not cant make it april....only....got assessment test for pilot...wana try and give it a shot hmm.gif incase fail go aircraft maintenance course

btw any ideas to apply state foundation scholarship? (yayasan selangor or eTC?)

coz now my problem is only financial side....

just got my spm result rclxms.gif thank god notworthy.gif physics and matha A+ and other are A and A- thumbup.gif =D

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Jazzy,thats what i thought..thanks.. notworthy.gif


QUOTE(shuvfick @ Mar 20 2012, 05:57 PM)
still active? Just found out about this thread..already completed my b1.1 and b1.3 easa part 66 lisence now looking for a job
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QUOTE(shuvfick @ Mar 23 2012, 02:58 PM)
yes about 2 weeks ago..from MIAT
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QUOTE(maryjane9996 @ Mar 23 2012, 03:13 PM)
Jazzy,thats what i thought..thanks..  notworthy.gif
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if it's EASA Part 66, not DCAM Part 66. yes, miat has that course under aeobildung? i'm not sure about this. need jazzy here.
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I have mentioned elsewhere that MIAT/MARA has stopped the EASA-66 AeroBildung course. They had 2 batches and thats about it.
None of them has got the license yet as they're still collecting their live aircraft experience.A few managed to get into MAS, don't know what happened to the rest.
That was the last update I've got unless someone else know the latest status?


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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 23 2012, 06:48 PM)
I have mentioned elsewhere that MIAT/MARA has stopped the EASA-66 AeroBildung course. They had 2 batches and thats about it.
None of them has got the license yet as they're still collecting their live aircraft experience.A few managed to get into MAS, don't know what happened to the rest.
That was the last update I've got unless someone else know the latest status?
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2 batches? if we are talking about the same course i'm pretty sure the classes is still on right now sir. i saw their students in black shirt written (EASA Part 66) everyday i came to class and including this 1 week training at MHS Miat Hangar. unless those students i saw is in different course than the one you meant. hurm.. blush.gif


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AGENTS OF SCHOLARSHIP FOR TAME PROGRAM NEEDED....except mara...i cant apply that

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