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post Jan 14 2009, 11:14 PM, updated 17y ago

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1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
1893-94 ; 1895-96 ; 1904-05 ; 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
1964-65 ; 1973-74 ; 1985-86 ; 1988-89 ; 1991-92
2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 7
1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83 ; 1983-84 ; 1994-95
2000-01 ; 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
1964* ; 1965* ; 1966 ; 1974 ; 1976 ; 1977* ; 1979 ; 1980 ; 1982
1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
1997-98 ; 1998-99 ; 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
1956-57 ; 1968-69 ; 1969-70 ; 1970-71 ; 1972-73 ; 1973-74 ; 1974-75
1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1983-84 ; 1984-85
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1995-96 ; 2005-06 ; 2006-07

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post Jan 14 2009, 11:17 PM

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Season 08/09 Fixtures

Sat Aug 16 2008 Sunderland (A) 15:00
0- 1

Sat Aug 23 2008 Middlesbrough (H) 15:00
2- 1

Sat Aug 30 2008 Aston Villa (A) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Sep 13 2008 Manchester United (H) 15:00
2- 1

Sat Sep 20 2008 Stoke City (H) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Sep 27 2008 Everton (A) 15:00
0- 2

Sat Oct 04 2008 Manchester City (A) 15:00
2- 3

Sat Oct 18 2008 Wigan Athletic (H) 15:00
3- 2

Sat Oct 25 2008 Chelsea (A) 15:00
0- 1

Wed Oct 29 2008 Portsmouth (H) 15:00
1- 0

Sat Nov 01 2008 Tottenham Hotspur (A) 15:00
2- 1

Sat Nov 08 2008 West Bromwich Albion (H) 15:00
3- 0

Sat Nov 15 2008 Bolton Wanderers (A) 15:00
0- 2

Sat Nov 22 2008 Fulham (H) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Nov 29 2008 West Ham United (H) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Dec 06 2008 Blackburn Rovers (A) 15:00
3- 1

Sat Dec 13 2008 Hull City (H) 15:00
2- 2

Sat Dec 20 2008 Arsenal (A) 15:00
1- 1

Fri Dec 26 2008 Bolton Wanderers (H) 15:00
3- 0

Sun Dec 28 2008 Newcastle United (A) 15:00
1- 5

Sat Jan 10 2009 Stoke City (A) 15:00
0- 0

Tues Jan 20 2009 Everton (H) 15:00
1- 1

Tue Jan 27 2009 Wigan Athletic (A) 15:00
1- 1

Sat Jan 31 2009 Chelsea (H) 15:00
2- 0

Sat Feb 07 2009 Portsmouth (A) 15:00
Sat Feb 21 2009 Manchester City (H) 15:00
Sat Feb 28 2009 Middlesbrough (A) 15:00
Wed Mar 04 2009 Sunderland (H) 15:00
Sat Mar 14 2009 Manchester United (A) 15:00
Sat Mar 21 2009 Aston Villa (H) 15:00
Sat Apr 04 2009 Fulham (A) 15:00
Sat Apr 11 2009 Blackburn Rovers (H) 15:00
Sat Apr 18 2009 Arsenal (H) 15:00
Sat Apr 25 2009 Hull City (A) 15:00
Sat May 02 2009 Newcastle United (H) 15:00
Sat May 09 2009 West Ham United (A) 15:00
Sat May 16 2009 West Bromwich Albion (A) 15:00
Sun May 24 2009 Tottenham Hotspur

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post Jan 14 2009, 11:18 PM

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Courtesy of DUKE

Manchester United fans...

a) don't even come from Manchester. Most of them are from out of town, or "greater Manchester" as they call it. Almost every Pakistani cab driver I saw supports Manchester United. You can tell by their car stickers. The locals support their blue collared rivals, City.

b) seem to enjoy knocking their rivals. You hardly see any Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool supporter abusing the other's club when there isn't a match between the three. Mancs on the other hand seem compelled to hurl insults at us whenever they get up in the morning. Why? Beats the heck out of me. They are after all the most successful and biggest club in England. Pick on somebody your own size eh?

c) are amongst the most optimistic though they tend to cross the line, entering the zone of arrogance. If you have monitored their thread, you'd notice that certain posters are already prepared for the final in Moscow. Who the heck are Barcelona anyway but some small Catalan Club with miniature players? I have to admit I admire their confidence.

d) seem to disappear the day after a loss, especially if it's to Liverpool. My lads and I put our kits on especially after a defeat. We live and die with the club, we don't feel ashamed as I assume they do.

e) in Malaysia have not been through tough times. Smooth sailing all the way. No Premiership title in 4 years? "Ohhh noooo!! tragedy, dark days!". Puhleeezzzz. What drama. It's easier to knock others when they are down but your day will come and we'll see if you switch allegiances then. Those of us who have been fans from the 80's/90's have walked the walk, and talked the talked, we are still Liverpool fans. Let's see if you can make a similar claim in the decades to come. Manchester United marketed themselves in Asia as a brand, and like any other brand, they will go out of fashion at some point. Like any other brand that goes out of fashion, they will be replaced. People think they have loyalty to a particular brand, but only if that brand maintains it's image and keeps churning out proper products.

f) are extremely quiet at games. They make most of their noise on message boards or forums such as these. I've been to the FA Cup Final viewing here between Manchester United and Arsenal. Needless to say there was a huge turn out with most fans more content with chatting to one another than singing or chanting. Maybe they should start handing out song sheets? I've also been to the one between them and us, with their official fan club in attendance mind you. Even met and shook hands with the president, Lawrence. Fans at Old Trafford are no different. Ferguson has already complained about the distinct silence. They make mock our 12th man claim but ask anyone if they feel more confident and raise their game with a veracious crowd behind them? It's common sense.

g) mostly only know one song, and not even the complete version at that. They go "glory glory man utd x 1000000000000", like a broken record. Once again, song sheets please.

h) can't bring themselves to congratulate their rivals even after a good game of football, should they end up on the losing end of course.

i) always claim they played like crap, and not that their rivals played well, when they lose. Oh, they also like to lay blame to everything else except for themselves i.e. Referee, rough play, lack of protection for Ronaldo, wind sheer factor, oxygen content in the air, number of blades of grass per square foot, etc.

Think the above pretty much sums up my thoughts. I have of course described the fans that I know personally. I'm sure there are exceptions, as boon has mentioned, but I have to call it as I see it.


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post Jan 14 2009, 11:18 PM

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++ OFFICIAL 08/09 SQUAD PHOTOGRAPH

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LFC Top Scorer for Premier League


Captain Marvel Steven Gerrard 8
Black Horse Dirk Kuyt 5
El Nino Fernando Torres 5
Robbie Keane 5
Xabi Alonso 3
Alberto Riera 2

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post Jan 14 2009, 11:19 PM

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Existing Liverpool@Lowyat Supporters
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Liverpool@Lowyat Supporters : Forever friendly n Forever REDS. Come'on Reds !
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+ Useful Links:

1. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv

2. http://www.thisisanfield.com/

3. http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/

4. http://www.lfc-forum.co.uk/

5. ftp://lfc.org.hk/

6. http://www.redandwhitekop.com

7. WikiPedia about Liverpool FC

8. Lfc4life

9. The Liverpool Supporters Club Malaysia (LSCM)

10. LiverPooL NEWS

11. My Rawk

12. Walkon.com

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Match Highlights


LIVERPOOL 2 - 0 Chelsea

Highlights:

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post Jan 14 2009, 11:22 PM

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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.


Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.

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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.

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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.
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post Jan 14 2009, 11:24 PM

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Signatures and Wallpapers Area


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Anyone want to provide any decent wallpapers and signatures, please pm me.Share it among us. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2009, 11:47 PM)
Ladies and Germs,

MyRawk presents their first ever community t-shirt for the liverpool loving public.

Currently available in L size in RED or WHITE, and which measures 22" across, which is basically the same width as your L sized adidas jersey.
We are also taking orders for other sizes, so do state what you need.

Priced at only RM28 each and selling fast!

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Who are MyRawk?
Well, to find out more just click http://www.my-rawk.com or http://www.liverpoolfc.tv (All hail Jonno!).

For any inquiries, please email myrawk@gmail.com or call +6014 332 9718.

Onwards to no.19!!!
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Anyone wish to organize Event/Gathering or sales can leave me a pm so that I can put it up here. smile.gif

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post Jan 14 2009, 11:27 PM

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New Thread New Beginning.

Let's hope we can get full 3 points next match.


You may continue the discussion here.
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haihss.......really miss watching the game with you guys....this place sad eh!

Ohya.....congrats for the fantastic article at lfc.tv..nice!!!
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QUOTE(Lady G @ Jan 14 2009, 11:35 PM)
haihss.......really miss watching the game with you guys....this place sad eh!

Ohya.....congrats for the fantastic article at lfc.tv..nice!!!
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what so sad about this place? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 14 2009, 11:36 PM)
what so sad about this place?  shocking.gif
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People care too much about what happen next on some recent soap opera. I am badly out numbered sweat.gif

*This Place" refers to where I am now....

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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Jan 14 2009, 11:45 PM)
where is ur linda chung avatar ?
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Anyway,everyone please take a look at Post 8
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yay! new thread

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Thanks Everdying....

Looking for the right keys for the chain.... icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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Sammy: Reds must maintain focus

Assistant boss Sammy Lee maintains Premier League leaders Liverpool must not start looking anxiously over their shoulders at Manchester United.

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By the time manager Rafael Benitez returns to work following a third operation on his troublesome kidney stone complaint ahead of the league and FA Cup double-header against Merseyside rivals Everton, the Reds could well have been knocked off the top of the table should, as expected, a resurgent United win both of their games in hand.

While the pundits may already be predicting the downfall of the Anfield club - who last won the English championship in 1990, Lee insists the team must just focus on their own performances rather than worry about what may happen or is being claimed elsewhere.

"A lot of pundits have said there's only one team that can win the league - and I don't buy into that, either. You can't rule teams out in January," Lee told the club's official website.

"We can't keep looking over our shoulders. We have got to do what we have got to do."

There was, though, little hiding the disappointment following Liverpool's goalless draw on Stoke, which allowed United to close the gap on them to five points after they thumped Chelsea 3-0 at Old Trafford.

Lee said: "That is the measure of this team at the moment - that we go away from home and get a point in the Premier League and we are disappointed.

"We go for all three points, but we have to take the positives. The game did not transpire how we would have liked - we had control and we lost it.

"But the positives, for me, were that we got a point and we did not concede from the many, many set pieces that they had."

Benitez, 48, has watched Liverpool from the directors' box since his last operation in December.

The Spaniard, who is close to agreeing a new deal, will, according to Lee, be eager to return to his hands-on role as soon as possible.

"It is a difficult time for him because all he wants to do is be out there on the training pitch with his players, but he is still buoyant," said Lee.

"He is going for the third operation, but we are hoping it won't keep him out for too long - hopefully just a couple of days."

Lee added: "All credit to Rafa for what he's put in place. His attention to detail and organisation means that, if any one of us is missing, there won't be a blip."

Striker Fernando Torres, meanwhile, is eager to get the chance to sink Merseyside rivals Everton twice in a week.

The Reds are next in Premier League action on Monday night, before the Toffees make the short journey across Stanley Park again in the fourth round of the FA Cup.

Torres has hit three goals in two games against Everton, and after coming off the bench in recent matches as he regains full match fitness, the Spaniard has set his sights firmly on inflicting more derby misery.

"You can feel the excitement of the fans the day before the game," he said in the Liverpool Echo.

"Before the last one I had people coming up to me telling me 'you have to win, you have to win' and 'you have to score'.

"I had never scored a goal in a derby game before I came to this country so to get three in two games against Everton and to win both of them is fantastic.

"I hope to play against Everton again this time and I hope to be able to score again."
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Referee Webb admits Blues mistake

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Will he be linear a little bit in the next match?

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Jan 15 2009, 12:24 AM)
I reside in Ipoh and if MyRAWK plans to start up a branch here, please do let me know  smile.gif
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Northern part need rawk rclxm9.gif
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what about malacca??
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 15 2009, 12:28 AM)
what about malacca??
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ok.. i hope they have one around malacca.. i usually am stuck watching the games alone coz none of my friends are LFC fans
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I never watch the games. Reason being every single time I watch Liverpool play, they won't win. It's not the 1st time you know, a very good example is Stoke vs Liverpool. 0 - 0 laugh.gif Sorry guys! No more no more hahahaha
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SAMMY HOPEFUL OF RAFA RETURN

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i hope this is rafa last kidney stone operation

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Jan 15 2009, 12:36 AM)
I never watch the games. Reason being every single time I watch Liverpool play, they won't win. It's not the 1st time you know, a very good example is Stoke vs Liverpool. 0 - 0  laugh.gif  Sorry guys! No more no more hahahaha
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Jan 15 2009, 12:36 AM)
I never watch the games. Reason being every single time I watch Liverpool play, they won't win. It's not the 1st time you know, a very good example is Stoke vs Liverpool. 0 - 0  laugh.gif  Sorry guys! No more no more hahahaha
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Particularly for this season, I've decided to watch every single Liverpool BPL matches by all means; even if I'm 45 - 80 mins late without Astro at my 2nd home, I'll still drive all the way to the nearest place to watch a match. In fact, I think I've watched all of the matches including the other cups except for 1 Carling Cup match because it wasn't aired. And at work, I'll try to stream online just to get a glimpse of the match. I don't know what drives me to be so hardcore this season. Maybe cos I got the tiny bit feeling inside of me that thinks this is prob our best chance to retain our league glory, even go as far for a treble. C'mon you Reds.

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it works opposite for me, when i dont watch, we drop points.. ie, both stoke games, hull game, arsenal game and both totenham games


Added on January 15, 2009, 12:52 amLiverpool boss Benitez: Everyone backs me against Fergie

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez says everyone is on his side after his rant against Manchester United rival Sir Alex Ferguson last week.

"A lot of people think the same as me. I need to change my mobile as it is blocked with so many messages of support," said Benitez.

“I am not surprised because after 22 years of Mr Ferguson working, I understand why.”



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Last time when I was still a student, my housemates and I are hardcore Liv fans. But when we watch games with our fellow Arsenal fans (other house), 90% cannot get full points.. After that, we banned our Ars friends from watching the games with us..
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 15 2009, 12:56 AM)
Last time when I was still a student, my housemates and I are hardcore Liv fans. But when we watch games with our fellow Arsenal fans (other house), 90% cannot get full points.. After that, we banned our Ars friends from watching the games with us..
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what time is the man u game? maybe wanna watch
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QUOTE(Jer @ Jan 15 2009, 12:47 AM)
Particularly for this season, I've decided to watch every single Liverpool BPL matches by all means; even if I'm 45 - 80 mins late without Astro at my 2nd home, I'll still drive all the way to the nearest place to watch a match. In fact, I think I've watched all of the matches including the other cups except for 1 Carling Cup match because it wasn't aired. And at work, I'll try to stream online just to get a glimpse of the match. I don't know what drives me to be so hardcore this season. Maybe cos I got the tiny bit feeling inside of me that thinks this is prob our best chance to retain our league glory, even go as far for a treble. C'mon you Reds.
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guys, any liverpool fans in mmu melaka? maybe can meet up next sem to watch games
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Come to Cyberjaya and we can go watch together. First year student or permanently located in Malacca?
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wargh MAN U win again 1-0..so upset...
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wargh MAN U win again 1-0..so upset...
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ya lor..Benitez should thinking something and choose correct person for starting 11. dont forget about formation..
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As usual them devils will get a result hook or crook..... we taught we could do it consistently, but nope we're drawing matches instead of grinding out more 1 nils. doh.gif Can't afford to dwell on it anymore, we have to win as many matches as possible and can only hope they drop points. Gonna be a long battle provided we do not choke against the smaller clubs.

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Basically the title is out of our hands once again. It is down to United to lose it as things stands now if they win their game hand which probably they will, they will surge to the top of the table. The warning signs has be there as our inability to win matches against lower oppositions cost us. As last season we draw far too often and this bad habits have re-emerge back to the team. Now it has come back to bite us back in the @$$.

There is nothing much we can do about United but there is one thing we as fans can do is to get behind the team. Although it seems difficult as we're set to lose top spots after sitting comfortable for most part of the season. We have to show why we're the best fans in the world by supporting them through thick and thin.

Back to the Merseyside derby this weekend which is going to be huge clash as there is plenty of things at stake besides bragging rights. Everton would love to put a dent on our title hope by trying to secure at least a point. David Moyes knows how to setup his team well in this clash as in previous years they have gain a point here. Let's hope the team can bear the pressure to win this game as I believe would be huge as United would most likely will be top of the table by time we play. In past we have shown we got the character to win important games and definitely the gaffer would see this game as a big one as well. Main thing in the derby would be heart and determination as it is crucial to come out top in this clash.
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wargh MAN U win again 1-0..so upset...
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I guess we'll have to admit that Manu is going to be on top even for only a day this weekend. Bolton should be easy for them, looking at their records and performance at the moment.

Wigan should have be more careful. Rooney 1st minute goal cost them a lot. After the goal, they CAN defend through the whole 89' game, means they shouldn't let the goal through.

Ok. Enough on worrying other teams. We should focus on our own team and just hope and pray for the best. Everton is not easy. Even we have a good track record against them in recent years and this season they've not been performing well, I guess we need to be more careful as they may play for draw, rather to win. Evertons' fans want the bragging right but their manager want the best result which is not losing to us.

Rafa maybe cannot come to the stadium to watch the game and manage the team in front of tv set in his home. What I hope from him in this match will be a good team selection. We should focus more on offensive especially in midfield area. Pairing up Torres and Keane should do the job well up in front. But I don't think them both will start together because of the next fixture also against Everton.

Btw, is Alonso ok for next match? No news on him?
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I guess we'll have to admit that Manu is going to be on top even for only a day this weekend. Bolton should be easy for them, looking at their records and performance at the moment.

Wigan should have be more careful. Rooney 1st minute goal cost them a lot. After the goal, they CAN defend through the whole 89' game, means they shouldn't let the goal through.

Ok. Enough on worrying other teams. We should focus on our own team and just hope and pray for the best. Everton is not easy. Even we have a good track record against them in recent years and this season they've not been performing well, I guess we need to be more careful as they may play for draw, rather to win. Evertons' fans want the bragging right but their manager want the best result which is not losing to us.

Rafa maybe cannot come to the stadium to watch the game and manage the team in front of tv set in his home. What I hope from him in this match will be a good team selection. We should focus more on offensive especially in midfield area. Pairing up Torres and Keane should do the job well up in front. But I don't think them both will start together because of the next fixture also against Everton.

Btw, is Alonso ok for next match? No news on him?
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I also hope tat alonso will be features in the everton match.....its been quite a surprise tat alonso regain his form and become such a crucial part in our midfield team tis season.....without him there r no others who can hit a 30-40 yards good passes to our front man.....his passing skill is the thing tat we r missing during last match against stoke......

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Is either penang/perak area i think...Not so sure about it..waiting for teeque to reply.

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haihss.......really miss watching the game with you guys....this place sad eh!
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QUOTE(qspn @ Jan 15 2009, 09:51 AM)
Basically the title is out of our hands once again. It is down to United to lose it as things stands now if they win their game hand which probably they will, they will surge to the top of the table. The warning signs has be there as our inability to win matches against lower oppositions cost us. As last season we draw far too often and this bad habits have re-emerge back to the team. Now it has come back to bite us back in the @$$.
Well we still have to play them at OT so it isn't completely out of our hands. If we beat them, we'll be 2 points ahead, assuming they win their game in hand. I don't fancy our chances over there but we have been playing well against them in recent years and I'm guessing it will be about us taking our chances.
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and dont forget february is crunch time.
manu will be playing their other game in hand then, which would mean 6 games inclusive of CL in that very short month...
and then theres the FA cup 5th round...
and not forgetting the pointless spain vs england friendly also scheduled...

means a possible total of 8 matches in that very short month which is sure to stretch them.

this would be a good time for us to get knocked out of the FA cup so can concentrate next month tongue.gif

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Looks like we're set to lose Dagger. He's unhappy that he isn't featuring more regularly and that his demands for a $60,000 a week pay packet has so far been stonewalled. His agent has already entered negotiations with AC Milan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...o.html?ITO=1490

I'm really disappointed to lose a player of his ability. I think he brings so much to the team. It's not everyday you come across a ball playing central defender with an eye for spectacular goals. His most crucial goal to date has to the Champions League one against Chelsea that brought us back into the game. Not sure how accurate press reports are but he seems to have a bit of an ego and if that's the case, best to sever ties now when we can still profit from it. Still, one of the better defenders to come along in some time now. Still remember how he kept Drogba at bay for an entire game.


Added on January 15, 2009, 11:51 amDavid Gill has now responded to Rafa's comments.

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“His comments on my position are totally inaccurate,” said Gill, in Macau at the launch of United’s tour of Asia, which takes place later this year.

“The reality of it is that on the FA board sit three representatives of the Premier League in Premier League chairman Dave Richards, Bolton chairman Phil Gartside and myself.

“They are elected every year by every club in the Premier League and when we are on the board we are there representing the Premier League and I am not there representing United.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer...1948-qqqx=1.asp

Well forgive me for doubting the validity of this statement. I think he needs to put up a more convincing argument than that. Take into consideration that Fergie has been accusing the FA of being unfair to Man Utd. Perhaps he is intentionally trying to distance himself for Gill for fear of suspicion.


Added on January 15, 2009, 11:54 amAh it seems there is a Man Utd connection after all smile.gif

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...d.html?ITO=1490

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dem!...Agger is the best at the moment....i want hear more news about that discussion between AC Milan and Liverpool..i hope it will not happen...
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Benitez should keep Alonso and Agger at least till end season.
Alonso simply one of the best midfield player in the world
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Know any spot good for match watching? brows.gif biggrin.gif
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Benitez should keep Alonso and Agger at least till end season.
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u all go walking around penang the pubs there that look ok and have liverpool posters inside tongue.gif
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the comfort of my uncomfy home biggrin.gif
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nowadays so windy some more

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nowadays so windy some more
i think there are good liverpool pubs in town right? dunno where though
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Same...wahaha...windy til my doors and windows all auto close  brows.gif

Anyway, i dunno which pub also...i tot u gonna know...  laugh.gif
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and jonno getting famous...lol...
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So far whatever has come out regarding Agger look to be rumors. Like you all, I hope they remain just that and will take everything with a pinch of salt until our club officially says something.
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Liverpool should put a very very high price tag on Agger IF they wanna sell him to Milan. Milan should have no problem because of 100mil pounds profit on Kaka, if the deal set. But personally, Agger and Skrtel are great young assets, since Carra and Hyypia are old already. My friends and I are calling both young lads 'twin tanks', both are great. So Liv, don't sell them unless there are anyone that can surpass them in the team, which are now none.
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 15 2009, 06:05 PM)
Liverpool should put a very very high price tag on Agger IF they wanna sell him to Milan. Milan should have no problem because of 100mil pounds profit on Kaka, if the deal set. But personally, Agger and Skrtel are great young assets, since Carra and Hyypia are old already. My friends and I are calling both young lads 'twin tanks',  both are great. So Liv, don't sell them unless there are anyone that can surpass them in the team, which are now none.
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Agger left 16/17months in his contract and refused to sign a new one cos his demanded wage was not agreed.I bet rafa dun wan him to leave for free, no?

Rumour said Hyypia gonna sign another 12months deal as Agger's future remained unknown.

Anyway, we have been linking with a lot of defenders and I really hope agger will stay.

Every season we have on free transfer player, looks like this coming summer, we gonna hav heskey back in team.. laugh.gif
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i see agger and skrtel as the future replacement for the aging hyypia and carragher. both are still in the right side of 20s, while hyypia is close to retirement, and carra may only last another 4-5 years.

seriously, i don't really read much about the rumours on ac milan's interest in agger, if they're serious they would've come out with some concrete offer on the table by now, but it's all talk so far.
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Didn't know i flood that much of posts over here. Still nowhere near TS tongue.gif

Anyway i like the idea as this will keep people posting more quality stuff. I am wondering how you accumulate the posts from each of us?

Back to the topic on Agger's concern. To be honest he is one of my favourite player in the team but since Skrtel's rising during his absence, it's already selection dilemma for Rafa where he has only 2 starting for 4 great defenders. I hate if he is off to any team, but seeing him rotting on the bench is indeed a torture for me.
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Milan are only take advantage on Agger news on stalled contract talk. And this is bad for the contract talk. His agent will set a higher basic weekly wage because his profile has been upped a notch by Milan interest. Now it's up to Agger-Liv negotiation to decide his future. I bet Rafa still want to keep him especially on Hyypia retirement is around the corner.

So I guess we better be the champion and no one will/want to leave the club, and many great players want to play with us.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 15 2009, 06:20 PM)
Didn't know i flood that much of posts over here. Still nowhere near TS tongue.gif

Anyway i like the idea as this will keep people posting more quality stuff. I am wondering how you accumulate the posts from each of us?

Back to the topic on Agger's concern. To be honest he is one of my favourite player in the team but since Skrtel's rising during his absence, it's already selection dilemma for Rafa where he has only 2 starting for 4 great defenders. I hate if he is off to any team, but seeing him rotting on the bench is indeed a torture for me.
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for me agger is a better player attacking while skrtel is much more comfortable playing defence only. having said that, i think both have great abilities as CB, only slightly different in styles.

while i prefer skrtel to be in the team when we need to defend solidly against flair teams, i think agger is more of the type who likes to have the ball at his feet and create some opporturnities to score (for himself or teammates). agger is far more composed than skrtel and in games where we tend to control the match, and he can contribute more to attacking moves but tends to have lapses in concentration. skrtel is pretty much like carra, no nonsense defending and usually doing the dirty works at the backline.

like popsoul said, perhaps skrtel rose steadily during agger's long absence and cemented his place in the team. RB is, after all, a manager who prefers to play things safe. with skrtel in the team our line of defence is less likelier to be breached.

i personally enjoy seeing agger in the team more than skrtel because we'd have more flair and better passings from back to front. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 15 2009, 06:32 PM)
a direct swap with pato could be nice deal...
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Never going to happen, while a good player, he would struggle in the English game, if you look at him closely, while him having the pace, skills and eye for goal, but I doubt he has the build for the English game, defenders like Upson, Terry, Vidic, and even Titus Bramble eat him alive...

Not to mention he wouldn't like the weather much and I doubt he'd be able to settle.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Jan 15 2009, 06:47 PM)
for me agger is a better player attacking while skrtel is much more comfortable playing defence only. having said that, i think both have great abilities as CB, only slightly different in styles.

while i prefer skrtel to be in the team when we need to defend solidly against flair teams, i think agger is more of the type who likes to have the ball at his feet and create some opporturnities to score (for himself or teammates). agger is far more composed than skrtel and in games where we tend to control the match, and he can contribute more to attacking moves but tends to have lapses in concentration. skrtel is pretty much like carra, no nonsense defending and usually doing the dirty works at the backline.

like popsoul said, perhaps skrtel rose steadily during agger's long absence and cemented his place in the team. RB is, after all, a manager who prefers to play things safe. with skrtel in the team our line of defence is less likelier to be breached.

i personally enjoy seeing agger in the team more than skrtel because we'd have more flair and better passings from back to front. smile.gif
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true true.. and like i said earlier, agger will be a v.good replacement for when sami retires.. good on the ball, likes to get forward, good aerial ability and can also pun a few good and lond diagonal passes like sami.
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 15 2009, 06:27 PM)
Milan are only take advantage on Agger news on stalled contract talk. And this is bad for the contract talk. His agent will set a higher basic weekly wage because his profile has been upped a notch by Milan interest. Now it's up to Agger-Liv negotiation to decide his future. I bet Rafa still want to keep him especially on Hyypia retirement is around the corner.

So I guess we better be the champion and no one will/want to leave the club, and many great players want to play with us.
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i agreed on that...feel so sad about the rumors....come on Liverpool...make us proud again like in 70's - 80's era...
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QUOTE(normeck @ Jan 15 2009, 07:26 PM)
i agreed on that...feel so sad about the rumors....come on Liverpool...make us proud again like in 70's - 80's era...
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lol.. younger ones like me never felt what it was like to be league champs.. hope we can finally end the wait this season
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 15 2009, 06:51 PM)
Never going to happen, while a good player, he would struggle in the English game, if you look at him closely, while him having the pace, skills and eye for goal, but I doubt he has the build for the English game, defenders like Upson, Terry, Vidic, and even Titus Bramble eat him alive...

Not to mention he wouldn't like the weather much and I doubt he'd be able to settle.
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There is always an exception my friend. Look at Robinho or even Defoe.
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Of course there'll always be exceptions, Defoe was brought in the English game, while Robinho did well, if you really look closely, he didn't exactly set the world on fire. Struggling in some matches, but that is due to the team not up to par rather than him not coping.
The same could be said about people like Alonso and Torres who've taken to the league like fish to water while others, such as Morientes, or even Ballack, struggle to have an impact. Remember Juan Sebastian Veron anyone?
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 15 2009, 07:38 PM)
Of course there'll always be exceptions, Defoe was brought in the English game, while Robinho did well, if you really look closely, he didn't exactly set the world on fire. Struggling in some matches, but that is due to the team not up to par rather than him not coping.
The same could be said about people like Alonso and Torres who've taken to the league like fish to water while others, such as Morientes, or even Ballack, struggle to have an impact. Remember Juan Sebastian Veron anyone?
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juan sebastian who? lol
yea, big flop at man utd and then an even bigger one at chelski.. what happened to him after he moved to inter?
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a direct swap with pato could be nice deal...
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juan sebastian who? lol
yea, big flop at man utd and then an even bigger one at chelski.. what happened to him after he moved to inter?
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U mean Crespo or Sheva?

as I know Sheva heading back to AC Milan
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 15 2009, 06:51 PM)
Never going to happen, while a good player, he would struggle in the English game, if you look at him closely, while him having the pace, skills and eye for goal, but I doubt he has the build for the English game, defenders like Upson, Terry, Vidic, and even Titus Bramble eat him alive...

Not to mention he wouldn't like the weather much and I doubt he'd be able to settle.
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robinho proved it otherwise
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Taking foreign players into a certain league is a major risk. But these has to be taken to ensure victory. Risks are always there. Sheva, a failure. Crespo, not good enough. Owen, taken from us (money matters), also a failure. Not to mention a lot of players bought by Real Madrid are failures, only a few works like magic. Torres at first, I'm not put a lot hope on him when he signed for us, thinking that he need at least six months to a year to adapt to brutal English games (Sheva failure haunt me). But he brilliantly showed us his adaptation and will power. So the risk is worth taken. Pato is a good player, but his young age will make him only an ego brat, just like showboating Robinho. This is only my opinion though, without taking many aspects into consideration..
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 15 2009, 07:29 PM)
lol.. younger ones like me never felt what it was like to be league champs.. hope we can finally end the wait this season
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I know you are top of the table but it seems really unlikely that you will win. As sad as it is, it looks like Man U is coming for you. As much as i really hate Man U, I rather they win then you win. sorry about this
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:06 PM)
I know you are top of the table but it seems really unlikely that you will win. As sad as it is, it looks like Man U is coming for you. As much as i really hate Man U, I rather they win then you win. sorry about this
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Im puzzled to why Agger wants to do this ? IMO moving to Milan is a little taking a step backwards seeing as we are a team on the rise here and Milan is an aging team. When Beckham plays with the first eleven, their average age is pushed to 30 years. Milan, while still strong as we know them are, are mere shadow of what they once were.

He understood why we had to acquire Skrtel, and he knows we strife to have at least 2 competitive players for each positions on the field. What's weird is that he gave no hint or whatsover about this apparent refusal to extend his contract with us. Starting to feel a little familiar ala Owen, which is an insult to Agger as i rate him highly and thought he's a classy character from all the stuff i read about him.

I really hope its just Parry and Co stuffing up the contract nego rather Agger himself trying to move away. Cmon Agger lad, fecking think things through before you regret it for the rest of your life!
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:06 PM)
I know you are top of the table but it seems really unlikely that you will win. As sad as it is, it looks like Man U is coming for you. As much as i really hate Man U, I rather they win then you win. sorry about this
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lol.. maybe is the right word for it. But needless to say, at the moment, only Liverpool and Manu is cruising at the top. And again, anyone can win at this stage, with half season still to go.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:06 PM)
I know you are top of the table but it seems really unlikely that you will win. As sad as it is, it looks like Man U is coming for you. As much as i really hate Man U, I rather they win then you win. sorry about this
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I know your team are in the 5th place but it seems really unlikely that your team gonna finish 4th.As sad as it is, it looks like Villa is coming for you.As much as I hate Villa, Martin O neil especially, I rather they get 4th spot than your team. I dun feel sorry about this cos u came over and started it 1st. laugh.gif tongue.gif

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Selling Agger will bring me back to that dark day when Fowler was sold.

But it will even more painful if he leaves. Young, comfortable with ball, great future, score goals, commanding. And a good partner for hardman Skrtle...

What is wrong? we can pay for Dossena and Pennant and cant afford to up some $ for Agger? WTH is the management up to, letting Milan come and buy one of our top player?
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 15 2009, 09:11 PM)
Selling Agger will bring me back to that dark day when Fowler was sold. 

But it will even more painful if he leaves. Young, comfortable with ball, great future, score goals, commanding. And a good partner for hardman Skrtle...

What is wrong? we can pay for Dossena and Pennant and cant afford to up some $ for Agger? WTH is the management up to, letting Milan come and buy one of our top player?
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It's easier to say than done.Look at the team, if agger's demand is fulfilled, I bet the likes of Skrtel, Riera might want a pay rise too. And not to forget that the yanks are well-known miser, increasing Agger's demand will make them earn less money, from business prospective. nod.gif

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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Jan 15 2009, 12:38 PM)
sad to hear about the agger news....its rarely tat we have a central def who has an eye for goal.. cry.gif  cry.gif ....but if he really do go, how much is his value at currently??shouldn't be less than 10mill right?? hmm.gif
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It's easier to say than done.Look at the team, if agger's demand is fulfilled, I bet the likes of Skrtel, Riera might want a pay rise too. And not to forget that the yanks are well-known miser, increasing Agger's demand will make them earn less money, from business prospective.  nod.gif
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if its due to the misery Yanks, then our team is definitely in the wrong hands...
And yes, Riera and MArtin deserve a payrise thoroughly if we do well this season...

for me, honestly, watching Agger is a joy. so elegant and comfortable with the ball. Reminds me of greats like Hansen, Baresi, Kaiser...(i mean, you dont expect me to watch Rio right?)

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i think his agent advised him to pretend to be interested so that he can demand a bigger salary.
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 15 2009, 09:13 PM)
i'll go for somewhere between 15-20!


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if its due to the misery Yanks, then our team is definitely in the wrong hands...
And yes, Riera and MArtin deserve a payrise thoroughly if we do well this season...
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One wonderful season and give a payrise? I m really against this. Look at the likes of Gerrard and carra, they dun get pay rise just because one season of wonder. Riera is here for only erm, 6months? And Skrtel 1 year since last Jan.

I think they shud prove themselves and improve more before demanding for pay rise...And I dun think Agger's demands shud be fulfiled...from 35k per week to 60k per week...thats crazy...


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One wonderful season and give a payrise? I m really against this. Look at the likes of Gerrard and carra, they dun get pay rise just because one season of wonder. Riera is here for only erm, 6months? And Skrtel 1 year since last Jan.

I think they shud prove themselves and improve more before demanding for pay rise...And I dun think Agger's demands shud be fulfiled...from 35k per week to 60k per week...thats crazy...
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i am not talking about 30-50% la...maybe 10-15% la for those 2...

but everything is about market price ma...
so, IMHO, for Agger..its difficult to give put a price on his head without taking into comparison of others....i wonder how much fellas like Vidic, Terry, King, Rio, earn? perhaps Agger shouldnt be as high as them but i dont think he deserve way lower than them too..
for example, if Rio is in the range of the 100k week earners like Gerrard, wont Agger deserve 60k? just my 2 cents...

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:17 PM)
One wonderful season and give a payrise? I m really against this. Look at the likes of Gerrard and carra, they dun get pay rise just because one season of wonder. Riera is here for only erm, 6months? And Skrtel 1 year since last Jan.

I think they shud prove themselves and improve more before demanding for pay rise...And I dun think Agger's demands shud be fulfiled...from 35k per week to 60k per week...thats crazy...
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they usually ask for a little higher than what they expect to get.. if u ask me, i think he wud be happy with sumthing around the range of 45-50k..
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 15 2009, 09:34 PM)
they usually ask for a little higher than what they expect to get.. if u ask me, i think he wud be happy with sumthing around the range of 45-50k..
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hehehe..if he is happy with 45-50k and stays..i will be happy too..
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I wish I have the modifier like I used in FM. Extend their contract to infinity..

I think the best move is don't agree with his demand, let him play more and he'll be happy in no time..Let this 6 months for him to prove himself whether he is worth like his demand (I bet he is..).
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ok.. i hope they have one around malacca.. i usually am stuck watching the games alone coz none of my friends are LFC fans
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Soccernet news said Agger deals is sealed. Around 7.5mil pounds. I hate to read that, even if he is gonna leave Liverpool, it should be at higher price. His skills and ability is beyond that price. But remember, the news is only rumour. No official news from LFC.tv yet.

But good news is, Alonso is back with us. He can feature in this week Everton games.
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7.5m for his left foot/ right foot?
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that's gonna be sick if he just go for 7.5m
atleast 10m(min)
i really dont know wat Liverpool board is thinking!
and that;s why Rafa want a full control over the players!
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Jan 15 2009, 11:55 PM)
that's gonna be sick if he just go for 7.5m
atleast 10m(min)
i really dont know wat Liverpool board is thinking!
and that;s why Rafa want a full control over the players!
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Is this a way of showing his rage over the stalled contract talk with the owners? He can stand in the way on Agger's move, but the owners will have the final word. So no point in protecting Agger as he himself won't be in here in mere future. This starting to look like cheap drama plot, where internal conflicts will destroy an organization..
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QUOTE(Lady G @ Jan 15 2009, 10:09 PM)
Harvster,

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If Agger leaves, bring in Breno from Bayern!
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who?
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 15 2009, 07:29 PM)
lol.. younger ones like me never felt what it was like to be league champs.. hope we can finally end the wait this season
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i also dunno how it feel..cause im too young to feel it...lets share the moment of glory together...pray hard for that...
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who?
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LIVERPOOL V EVERTON: STAT ATTACK


Here are all the relevant stats and facts ahead of Monday's Merseyside derby.
# Head to head in the league:

At Anfield: Liverpool 38 wins, Everton 23 wins, 28 draws.
Overall: Liverpool 68 wins, Everton 56 wins, 55 draws.

# Earlier this season at Goodison Liverpool won 2-0 with both goals from Fernando Torres. It was Liverpool's seventh win in the last nine visits.

# Liverpool have won three successive league games over the Blues. The last time they won four in a row was in August 1991 which came in a sequence of five.

# Liverpool have won 82 of the 208 meetings between the sides in all competitions with the Blues winning 64.

# This game is the 180th league meeting with the Reds having won 68 to the Blues 56. It is the most played derby in English league football.

# If Liverpool win they will record their 200th victory home victory in the Premier League.

# The last derby hat-trick for Liverpool saw Ian Rush score four in a 5-0 win at Goodison in November 1982, while for the Blues Dixie Dean hit three at Anfield in September 1931 in a 3-1 win.

# Four Liverpool players have scored derby hat-tricks at Anfield. The last was Fred Howe in September 1935. The others were Harry Chambers (1922), d*** Forshaw (1925) and Harold Barton (1933).

# Fernando Torres is hoping to become only the third Liverpool player to score in both Merseyside derbies in the same Premier League season. The last was Emile Heskey (2000-01) and prior to that Robbie Fowler in 1995-96.

# The Reds are looking to record their fourth Premier League double over their city rivals.

# Steven Gerrard could captain Liverpool tonight for the 250th time in his career.

# The only goal of last season's Anfield derby, scored by Fernando Torres, earned Liverpool their 3,000th point at home in league games.

# Fernando Torres has scored Liverpool's last three goals in Merseyside derbies. No Reds player in the history of the club has ever scored four in a row.

# Should he find the net Fernando will become the first Liverpool player in history to score in his first three Merseyside derby appearances. The only other man to achieve the feat in the derby was Gary Lineker who scored in all three meetings for Everton in 1985-86 (his only derby appearances).

# Torres is also aiming to become the first Liverpool player since Robbie Fowler in 1996 to score in three successive league games against Everton.

# Robbie Keane scored a hat-trick for Tottenham against Everton in January 2003 in his side's 4-3 win at White Hart Lane. He has found the net six times in league games against the Blues.


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yeah! my dad have those taste before...he was a Liverpool fans when he's young..
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is he that good? i dont watch the bundesligue so i dont know

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One of the wonderkids of the present. Plus, being a Brazilian, he naturally has enough flair to play like Agger. His age will also allow him to obtain a work permit with ease smile.gif Come on Rafa, are you reading?!
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I'll be gutted to see Agger go. I really will be. The guy just oozes class and is exactly the kind of defender we need in our transition of becoming a credible attacking team. That run he did against Boro, IIRC, where he envisioned the attacking play, carried the ball all the way to the by line with such calm and confidence, before finally making the assist to Kuyt (or was it Keane?)'s goal. That kind of play and ability is rare, and one we have not seen in our team in decades. He also has few other memorable goals, the one against Chelsea during the semi was instrumental to our progression towards the final.

I can only guess the main issue is something in relation to the amount of playing time. It just occurred to me that since Carra seem to be undroppable, he is competing with Skrtel and Hypia for a position in the defense. Hypia's days are really numbered, but when it comes to experience and dealing with aerial combat, none of defenders come close to Hypia's superiority. As much as i prefer Agger to stay, you simply cannot ignore Hypia's usefulness, so im very much agree with Rafa when he chooses to deploy Hypia whenever it matters. Skrtel, in his relatively short time with us has become somesort of a Kop cult figure. He has the tenacity of Carra and the aggressiveness of Masc. Despite how he looks, he's actually a clever player and his passing ability is a lot better than both Carra and Hypia, but he is behind Agger when it comes to circulating the ball around and having the vision to suddenly surge forward supporting the attack. Basically, Skrtel was made for the EPL. Both him and Agger are great young talents and ones i see as the future pair in the heart of our defense. Skrtel is still a little raw but potentially can even be be a better defender than Agger. However, Agger, is already a better footballer, when in fit and in form, he is just as good as any of our defenders but its his ability to make a pass, surge forward and contribute goals that sets him apart from the rest. Basically, losing one or the other is a big blow to us.

The problem, imo is that all the first team CBs (Hypia included until im totally convinced his playing time has past him) have their own strength and weakness that warrant a place in the starting lineup.

Hypia is not going to play as many games as the rest and the amount will and has already decrease. Hypia aside, imo Carra, in terms of overall football abilities and physique, is arguably the weakest of the CBs, He has been playing quite poorly this season and has even conceded a couple of own goals. But he is both the Ayala and Pellegrino, a commanding figure who has organized our defense with valor and authority, and whose resilience and determination can only inspire even the bitter rival fans. Furthermore, being a Scouse, he truly represents the club through his roots and his defiance towards anything that undermines him or the club. How can you replace such a man ? Maybe in a few years but its almost impossible to even conjure the idea, even if it meant losing one of your better defenders. Sometimes, talent is simply not enough. Look at Arsenal and Spurs for example; Abundant of talent but hardly any resoluteness and prowess that is pivotal to their durability in the long run.

If either Skrtel and Agger can be as commanding and resilient as Carra then I feel its warrant to phase out Carra for what seems a far superior players. But i dont believe either of them can displace Carra just yet, and I will actually find it disrespectful of Agger if he thinks he is more important than Carra. Better footballer ? Yes. But a better Liverpool player ? No. Im a big fan of Agger and would like him to stay but Carra to me is Liverpool in flesh and blood - that no matter how dire the situation is, its never too late to make a difference. We may in fact find another talented young prospect and have Rafa train him to be another Agger (hopefully), but there is no way you can find as passionate and as fiery as Carra; undying loyalty cant be trained nor bought, its has to be born with.

If playing time is really the issue, I can understand Agger is thinking twice about his future and has the right to plan on his career as a footballer. Both him and Skrtel deserves to play top flight football week in week out. Being young and blessed with talents, they have no reason not to play, unless its tactical. I reckon its 3 years until we start seeing any significant decline in Carra's performance but 3 years can be long, especially what if in the end of the 3 years and Carra is still going strong? So worst case scenario, you might end up playing sparingly in one of the prestigious club in Europe, where its team is in a transition of becoming a frightening crushing machine, and a manager whom can and will make you a better player. Agger is nowhere near his peak years, imo, moving away will be the biggest mistake he will ever make.

It could be very well be money issue, but somehow i really doubt it, as i cant imagine him being anything similar to the likes of Gallas or Cole. Then again, from what i've read, Rafa setup the players' salaries where the bulf of the payment is based on appearance and performance, so maybe there could be a slight chance of Agger wanting a better salary. Agger, was an unknown talent when we first signed him, so im guessing his initial salary wasnt that impressive. If he wants an increase in salary, just bump it a little, he clearly deserves it as he has contributed to the team and is exactly the kind of player you want to have on your payroll. Agger has now own 2 restaurants in Liverpool. Somehow, this fact doesnt suggests that he's pressed for financial improvement, unless he's screwed up and desperate. To me, it actually suggests that he's grounded. To own establishments meant you are settled down and comfortable enough in investing your time and money in the local city.

Sorry for the long post, anyways i really hope this turns out to be a nothing news. The 7.5mil i believe is Agger's release clause, and unfortunately, is the number we will have to accept by law. Its no wonder why Rafa is insisting with more control in management! It will be ridiculous if Agger goes at this price. It be like Owen but without Nunez. If any club bids the amount, we have to allow them to talk to Agger and this is possibly what happened over the week when Agger's agent was sighted in Milan. I hope this was just a formality and the agent just merely enjoying a free lunch before politely telling them that Agger is red through and through, rather than making a deal with them. Seems a little awkward that they chose to meet at some lunch in Italy, if they wanted Agger that bad why not just fly down and meet him in person like when Rafa did with Masc. If the clause is true, then obviously, its all in Agger's hands now. Just tell em to piss off Agger lad! Here's hoping that its only someone in the media trying to stir shite up as they know about the clause and knows Liverpool is powerless to fend off any potential buyers unless Agger himself decides to stay with us.

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Top post hfi!

I am surprise that people even slam a price tag on Agger, that's crazy.

The future pairing of CBs will be him and Skrtel with Carra slowly stepping down in 3-4 years time.

Can't we just pay what he wants at the moment to keep him? It will be a big mistake if we let him off.
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It's that fooking agent of his i tell you. More pay for Agger equals bigger paycheck for him too. mad.gif If he is hell bent on getting paid more, by all means go. Don't need one whose heart is not in it anymore.
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 15 2009, 11:32 PM)
Soccernet news said Agger deals is sealed. Around 7.5mil pounds. I hate to read that, even if he is gonna leave Liverpool, it should be at higher price. His skills and ability is beyond that price. But remember, the news is only rumour. No official news from LFC.tv yet.

But good news is, Alonso is back with us. He can feature in this week Everton games.
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Jan 16 2009, 12:56 AM)
yeah! my dad have those taste before...he was a Liverpool fans when he's young..
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if he wants to go, well im not sorry to see him go.
liverpool doesnt need players with attitude like his no matter how good he is.

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 16 2009, 08:07 AM)
I'll be gutted to see Agger go. I really will be. The guy just oozes class and is exactly the kind of defender we need in our transition of becoming a credible attacking team.  That run he did against Boro, IIRC, where he envisioned the attacking play, carried the ball all the way to the by line with such calm and confidence, before finally making the assist to Kuyt (or was it Keane?)'s goal. That kind of play and ability is rare, and one we have not seen in our team in decades. He also has few other memorable goals, the one against Chelsea during the semi was instrumental to our progression towards the final.

I can only guess the main issue is something in relation to the amount of playing time. It just occurred to me that since Carra seem to be undroppable, he is competing with Skrtel and Hypia for a position in the defense. Hypia's days are really numbered, but when it comes to experience and dealing with aerial combat, none of defenders come close to Hypia's superiority. As much as i prefer Agger to stay, you simply cannot ignore Hypia's usefulness, so im very much agree with Rafa when he chooses to deploy Hypia whenever it matters. Skrtel, in his relatively short time with us has become somesort of a Kop cult figure. He has the tenacity of Carra and the aggressiveness of Masc. Despite how he looks, he's actually a clever player and his passing ability is a lot better than both Carra and Hypia, but he is behind Agger when it comes to circulating the ball around and having the vision to suddenly surge forward supporting the attack. Basically, Skrtel was made for the EPL. Both him and Agger are great young talents and ones i see as the future pair in the heart of our defense. Skrtel is still a little raw but potentially can even be  be a better defender than Agger. However, Agger, is already a better footballer, when in fit and in form, he is just as good as any of our defenders but its his ability to make a pass, surge forward and contribute goals that sets him apart from the rest. Basically, losing one or the other is a big blow to us.

The problem, imo is that all the first team CBs (Hypia included until im totally convinced his playing time has past him) have their own strength and weakness that warrant a place in the starting lineup.

Hypia is not going to play as many games as the rest and the amount will and has already decrease. Hypia aside, imo Carra, in terms of overall football abilities and physique,  is arguably the weakest of the CBs, He has been playing quite poorly this season and has even conceded a couple of own goals. But he is both the Ayala and Pellegrino, a commanding figure who has organized our defense with valor and authority, and whose resilience and determination can only inspire even the bitter rival fans. Furthermore, being a Scouse, he truly represents the club through his roots and his defiance towards anything that undermines him or the club. How can you replace such a man ? Maybe in a few years but its almost impossible to even conjure the idea, even if it meant losing one of your better defenders. Sometimes, talent is simply not enough. Look at Arsenal and Spurs for example; Abundant of talent but hardly any resoluteness and prowess that is pivotal to their durability in the long run.

If either Skrtel and Agger can be as commanding and resilient as Carra then I feel its warrant to phase out Carra for what seems a far superior players. But i dont believe either of them can displace Carra just yet, and I will actually find it disrespectful of Agger if he thinks he is more important than Carra. Better footballer ? Yes. But a better Liverpool player ? No. Im a big fan of Agger and would like him to stay but Carra to me is Liverpool in flesh and blood - that no matter how dire the situation is, its never too late to make a difference. We may in fact find another talented young prospect and have Rafa train him to be another Agger (hopefully), but there is no way you can find as passionate and as fiery as Carra; undying loyalty cant be trained nor bought, its has to be born with.

If playing time is really the issue, I can understand Agger is thinking twice about his future and has the right to plan on his career as a footballer. Both him and Skrtel deserves to play top flight football week in week out. Being young and blessed with talents, they have no reason not to play, unless its tactical. I reckon its 3 years until we start seeing any significant decline in Carra's performance but 3 years can be long, especially what if in the end of the 3 years and Carra is still going strong? So worst case scenario, you might end up playing sparingly in one of the prestigious club in Europe, where its team is in a transition of becoming a frightening crushing machine, and a manager whom can and will make you a better player. Agger is nowhere near his peak years, imo, moving away will be the biggest mistake he will ever make.

It could be very well be money issue, but somehow i really doubt it, as i cant imagine him being anything similar to the likes of Gallas or Cole. Then again, from what i've read, Rafa setup the players' salaries where the bulf of the payment is based on appearance and performance, so maybe there could be a slight chance of Agger wanting a better salary. Agger, was an unknown talent when we first signed him, so im guessing his initial salary wasnt that impressive. If he wants an increase in salary, just bump it a little, he clearly deserves it as he has contributed to the team and is exactly the kind of player you want to have on your payroll. Agger has now own 2 restaurants in Liverpool. Somehow, this fact doesnt suggests that he's pressed for financial improvement, unless he's screwed up and desperate. To me, it actually suggests that he's grounded. To own establishments meant you are settled down and comfortable enough in investing your time and money in the local city.

Sorry for the long post, anyways i really hope this turns out to be a nothing news. The 7.5mil i believe is Agger's release clause, and unfortunately, is the number we will have to accept by law. Its no wonder why Rafa is insisting with more control in management! It will be ridiculous if Agger goes at this price. It be like Owen but without Nunez. If any club bids the amount, we have to allow them to talk to Agger and this is possibly what happened over the week when Agger's agent was sighted in Milan. I hope this was just a formality and the agent just merely enjoying a free lunch before politely telling them that Agger is red through and through, rather than making a deal with them. Seems a little awkward that they chose to meet at some lunch in Italy, if they wanted Agger that bad why not just fly down and meet him in person like when Rafa did with Masc. If the clause is true, then obviously, its all in Agger's hands now. Just tell em to piss off Agger lad! Here's hoping that its only someone in the media trying to stir shite up as they know about the clause and knows Liverpool is powerless to fend off any potential buyers unless Agger himself decides to stay with us.
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we normally dont agree on Rafa and Liverpool's performances, hfi, but this time, i am with you on the Dagger situation

Defenders with confidence to take that few seconds after winning the ball at the back and transform a defence into attack with a pass, turn, dribble is very difficult to find nowadays. And these quality gets better with time. The future of Liverpool defence looks to be the elegance of Agger and the no nonsense of Martin, in mould of Hansen and Lawro. If Agger want to see himself becoming a better player, what better partner to have than Martin?

As for pay rise, i am not aware of Rafa designing the pay structure to be based on appearance. Whatever, relativity is important. What you earn has to be put into perspective of what others earn. Like what i posted earlier, how much do top EPL defenders earn weekly? And how `far behind' is Agger's pay from them?

But you know how i feel about Rafa sometime. After all the talk about agents, the stingy Americans, Agger's commitment, $, isnt Rafa the key person to hold everything together? I sympathies with Rafa..his health, Liverpool's title run, the pressure from press after the outburst and now this.... I just hope that Rafa will turn this Agger situation around. Get well soon!


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 16 2009, 09:30 AM)
if he wants to go, well im not sorry to see him go.
liverpool doesnt need players with attitude like his no matter how good he is.
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i dont think Agger has shown any `attitude'? Just some delay on signing of contract, perhaps some unhappiness of not playing enough (isnt that a good thing, sign of hunger, or we prefer Wayne Bridge type who is happy to sit on a bench?. And a lot of words in the press are from his agents..

I dont think Agger has shown any disrespect to the club yet. Asking for payrise is not wrong. He hasnt criticise the club, manager, team mate and talk about the sunshine, pasta and hot models in Italy yet. Check out how guys like Hleb left Arsenal.




hmm....which makes me think..how many Liverpool players who left in almost their `prime' have done better elsewhere?

Keegan did quite well in HAmburg but he won more with Liverpool, Ray Clemence also did well with Spurs but he won too much with Liverpool...
maybe Stevie Mcmana....

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It seems illogical that Rafa will be content to see one of his better transfer coup and arguably his best defender to leave for merely 7mill. Thats only 2 mil profit for someone we could easily sell for twice the amount. This has to be triggered by Agger's release clause. If its not a release clause, then you would think there be a few clubs lining up for Agger. At 7.6mil its ridiculously cheap when you are getting: a good size and talented player, injuries corrected and paid in full by us, trained by one of the best coaches in Europe and most importantly played in a team that is notorious for its organized and team play. Surely thats a steal ? and no one else is coming in for him ? It has to be a release clause and when Milan made the bid it meant we automatically accepted the bid and consented them to deal with Agger unless Agger himself turn them down and stay with us. So Soccernet is right, we accepted the bid, but not that we had much choice.

Im not sure what the status with Agger on whether he is injured or is barred from playing as he didnt play against Stoke. What i know is that Rafa seems to normally freeze out a player and remove him from the bench altogether when he's decided that the player no longer has a future in the team. As i mentioned in previous post, players gets paid bonus from appearances and performances, this is why Pennant is never on the bench, we are merely cutting our costs. If Agger doesnt play this weekend, it should be quite telling.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 16 2009, 09:51 AM)
Cheers Popsoul:D

It seems illogical that Rafa will be content to see one of his better transfer coup and arguably his best defender to leave for merely 7mill. Thats only 2 mil profit for someone we could easily sell for twice the amount. This has to be triggered by Agger's release clause. If its not a release clause, then you would think there be a few clubs lining up for Agger. At 7.6mil its ridiculously cheap when you are getting: a good size and talented player, injuries corrected and paid in full by us, trained by one of the best coaches in Europe and most importantly played in a team that is notorious for its organized and team play. Surely thats a steal ? and no one else is coming in for him ? It has to be a release clause and when Milan made the bid it meant we automatically accepted the bid and consented them to deal with Agger unless Agger himself turn them down and stay with us. So Soccernet is right, we accepted the bid, but not that we had much choice.

Im not sure what the status with Agger on whether he is injured or is barred from playing as he didnt play against Stoke. What i know is that Rafa seems to normally freeze out a player and remove him from the bench altogether when he's decided that the player no longer has a future in the team. As i mentioned in previous post, players gets paid bonus from appearances and performances, this is why Pennant is never on the bench, we are merely cutting our costs. If Agger doesnt play this weekend, it should be quite telling.
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At the end of the day, guys, just remember, no one is bigger than the club - Liverpool F.C.

If we do sell Agger eventually and concede 5 goals every game and get ourselves relegated (touchwood), we will still stick behind the team and Liverpool F.C. will only allow players that truly want to play for the club to stay.

Now, I'm sure Rafa is experienced enough to do his job and he knows better than all of us here if Agger is worth to be kept. He has dealt with this plenty of times (Gerrard - Chelsea, Torres - Man City, Alonso - Juventus to name a few), so let's just wait and see in anticipation.

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i was gutted and shellshocked when i saw sportscenter yesterday that agger could leave. I rate him highly and to sell him? omfg....... he's the next jan molby..... and to me, he's the best defender alongside Jamie in the starting line up. im hopeful that the transfer wont go through with the likes of sami hyppia aging soon.... im among those who believe that selling agger is not the right choice.
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QUOTE(blinky @ Jan 16 2009, 10:14 AM)
At the end of the day, guys, just remember, no one is bigger than the club - Liverpool F.C.

If we do sell Agger eventually and concede 5 goals every game and get ourselves relegated (touchwood), we will still stick behind the team and Liverpool F.C. will only allow players that truly want to play for the club to stay.

Now, I'm sure Rafa is experienced enough to do his job and he knows better than all of us here if Agger is worth to be kept. He has dealt with this plenty of times (Gerrard - Chelsea, Torres - Man City, Alonso - Juventus to name a few), so let's just wait and see in anticipation.
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I dont have problems with Agger leaving if he is indeed an ungrateful money seeking primadonna. No one is bigger than the club. I only wish it is not due to stingy attitude of the club or lack of personal management skill.

Well the good thing is nothing happened yesterday. The next 24 hours will be crucial...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 16 2009, 09:30 AM)
if he wants to go, well im not sorry to see him go.
liverpool doesnt need players with attitude like his no matter how good he is.
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What is his attitude la? Hyped-up by Media and his agent demands to bring into a sale? That's pretty close to Gerrard's conduct for the Chelsea case. Rafa is the key to convince him and sit down for a discussion.

Tell me who is the best replacement for Carra & Hyypia years from now? Dagger a defender who dribble better than half of other BPL defenders, technically-gifted, strong physical presence, quick learner. 7.5M and we letting this talent off will eventually lead to greater loss in the current market. Ended up we will have to pay more in the future for some average CB.
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 16 2009, 09:36 AM)
we normally dont agree on Rafa and Liverpool's performances, hfi, but this time, i am with you on the Dagger situation

Defenders with confidence to take that few seconds after winning the ball at the back and transform a defence into attack with a pass, turn, dribble is very difficult to find nowadays.  And these quality gets better with time.  The future of Liverpool defence looks to be the elegance of Agger and the no nonsense of Martin, in mould of Hansen and Lawro.  If Agger want to see himself becoming a better player, what better partner to have than Martin?

As for pay rise, i am not aware of Rafa designing the pay structure to be based on appearance.  Whatever, relativity is important.  What you earn has to be put into perspective of what others earn.  Like what i posted earlier, how much do top EPL defenders earn weekly? And how  `far behind' is Agger's pay from them?

But you know how i feel about Rafa sometime. After all the talk about agents, the stingy Americans, Agger's commitment, $, isnt Rafa the key person to hold everything together? I sympathies with Rafa..his health, Liverpool's title run, the pressure from press after the outburst and now this....  I just hope that Rafa will turn this Agger situation around.  Get well soon!
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Agree. Skrtel and Agger partnership, imo will bring our team defense and attack ability into another level. Both of the players are very comfortable with the ball and have decent passing ability, essential to our passing game. I like that they are both towering figures and athletically built so they are not easily bullied around, which also means they will be a menace in the opponents' box, only problem is that both still need to get more heading tips from Hypia. Both can tackle, and have decent pace (albeit Skrtel is faster than Agger i think). Clever players as in they are thinking players who can make good solid judgment without the need to be led like sheep, this count for a lot in the time where the team gets stucked and running out of ideas. So yeah, i think Agger-Skrtel partnership one for the future and a colossal defensive partner they be i bet.

Well, pay do play important aspect in football bro, these people play football for the money, i dont think any pro players would play the game if we suddenly stop paying them. IMO, money at the end of the day is still the single most powerful source for motivation. From what ive heard Agger wants a raise from 30k to 60k. Its a huge sum for a player who only just broke into the first team. I read somewhere that Rafa insisted on somewhat low weekly pay but vastly superior bonus is earned based on minutes appearing and team performance. It means the players would need to produce results and participate in a winning team to earn a substantial increase in income. Play well, you get paid well. Ofcourse it has it drawbacks, players who dont get the chance to play or not playing as much are going to complain because others are playing and getting more income. Could very well be why Babel and Benny complains when they dont get to play as often. Anyways, there's always cause and effect. You cant change or improve one thing without affecting other things. So if Agger gets 60k, Arbeloa can and should ask for the same equal treatment. At the end of the day, as people mentioned, its all about what the player want and their mentality. Rafa for one will be dissapointed with Agger as he Agger is his recruit and a player he felt had the right mentality to play for the club.

But i also will not be surprised by the total lack of progress from Parry and co in settling these issues. Remember Gerrard ? See how long its taking Rafa to get his contract sorted. Kuyt is another player whose cotract is also due if im not mistaken and still no news about it. Rafa wanted both these players contracts sorted couple months back.
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 16 2009, 09:36 AM)
i dont think Agger has shown any `attitude'? Just some delay on signing of contract, perhaps some unhappiness of not playing enough (isnt that a good thing, sign of hunger, or we prefer Wayne Bridge type who is happy to sit on a bench?.  And a lot of words in the press are from his agents..

I dont think Agger has shown any disrespect to the club yet. Asking for payrise is not wrong.  He hasnt criticise the club, manager, team mate and talk about the sunshine, pasta and hot models in Italy yet.  Check out how guys like Hleb left Arsenal.
then he should be seeking for a new agent instead of a new club.
as making petty stuff like this public, to me makes him look like a spoilt brat who just screams out to the world if he doesnt get his way.

anyway, this agger milan news has been around for more than a month.
there were already rumors back then that liverpool dont mind selling agger and getting heinze...
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 16 2009, 10:03 AM)
shouldnt a release clause triggers massive interest?
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Yes anyone is free to bid during the open transfer window and i think we had few made but all refused presumably by Agger . So is it coincidental that suddenly now during the transfer window and contract negotiation, we suddenly Agger linked in moving away ? Maybe the agent is indeed playing hardball against the club and successfully baited Milan to trigger the clause in order to pressure our club to up our offer. How many times we've seen agents suddenly linking their players to our club but only to hear few days later from Rafa denying any interest in those players. While release clause can be cheap, its not always giving the buyer the advantage. For one, i dont think there can be a bidding war. Its a fixed fee, once met you must oblige by it. Its up to the player to agree to leave the club and accept the offer as he holds the ace of spade.

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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 16 2009, 10:31 AM)
What is his attitude la? Hyped-up by Media and his agent demands to bring into a sale? That's pretty close to Gerrard's conduct for the Chelsea case. Rafa is the key to convince him and sit down for a discussion.

Tell me who is the best replacement for Carra & Hyypia years from now? Dagger a defender who dribble better than half of other BPL defenders, technically-gifted, strong physical presence, quick learner. 7.5M and we letting this talent  off will eventually lead to greater loss in the current market. Ended up we will have to pay more in the future for some average CB.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 16 2009, 09:11 AM)
Can't we just pay what he wants at the moment to keep him? It will be a big mistake if we let him off.
QUOTE(JonC @ Jan 16 2009, 09:18 AM)
It's that fooking agent of his i tell you. More pay for Agger equals bigger paycheck for him too.  mad.gif If he is hell bent on getting paid more, by all means go. Don't need one whose heart is not in it anymore.
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I'm with Jon C on this one. We have not real insight into the actual situation but if he's being a selfish, greedy git who expects to be an automatic choice after just returning from and lenghty injury, then be off.

Why go to AC Milan? Hmmm well them being one of the giants of club football is defo a big plus. Hot women? Endless shopping? Life in general is much nicer than in gloomy England. Also, AC Milan have a reputation of playing a back four with the combined age of some football clubs. Jaap Stam? Paolo Maldini? Alessandro Costacurta? Franco Baresi? Serginho? Cafu? Leonardo? Just to name a few. Long term job security perhaps.

Looks like we've renewed our interest in Upson in light of Agger's impending departure.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/arti...0&in_page_id=43
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I'm pretty much agreed with all the posters here. While its a big lost to the club in losing one of the best CB in Europe, & I'll be very sad to see him go, IF he's acting like some big time Charlie, then well be my guest just go. Like Seedorf said, it is understandable that fans feels sad that their player is leaving the club, as in case with Kaka situation, but still nothing concrete YET.
As far as I'm seeing the situation, there's won't be smoke without fire. Last time, I'm stuck in this kinda feeling is when God left us. But life goes on, players leave but Liverpool FC will remain forever.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2009, 10:54 AM)
I'm with Jon C on this one. We have not real insight into the actual situation but if he's being a selfish, greedy git who expects to be an automatic choice after just returning from and lenghty injury, then be off.

Why go to AC Milan? Hmmm well them being one of the giants of club football is defo a big plus. Hot women? Endless shopping? Life in general is much nicer than in gloomy England. Also, AC Milan have a reputation of playing a back four with the combined age of some football clubs. Jaap Stam? Paolo Maldini? Alessandro Costacurta? Franco Baresi? Serginho? Cafu? Leonardo? Just to name a few. Long term job security perhaps.

Looks like we've renewed our interest in Upson in light of Agger's impending departure.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/arti...0&in_page_id=43
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i disagree withsome of you for calling agger money minded and greedy. when some top defenders earn up to 80k a week, and since all of us rate him very highly, then why is it that we complain when he asks to get a higher payment.. if u ask me, i think we are paying peanuts to agger. of coz im not implying we pay him 80k, but his current salary is about the same as when he joined the kop. hasn't he already esstablished the fact that he is a way better player when he was first bought? then doesn't that mean he deserves a better salary.. a demand around 60k is not too much in my opinion considering what other top defenders get.. but as i stated before in this thread, i think he will settle for between 45-50k for now.
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Talking about clause, take a look at Kaka's clauses for MC deal. Think i saw it on local the sun on 1 page exclusive report for the brazilian.

Can't remember many but what makes me laugh are:

1. Sheikh Mansour must remain as owner for his tenancy.
2. MC must make into CL in two years time.
3. Robinho must stick with MC.

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As far as I'm seeing the situation, there's won't be smoke without fire. Last time, I'm stuck in this kinda feeling is when God left us.
Well I personally won't go as far as to say that. Fowler had at the time already firmly entrenched himself in Liverpool folklore breaking scoring records while Agger has had one good season before injuries sidelined him. Many of us shed tears of sorrow when he left which was followed by tears of joy when he returned. I won't disrespect Fowler but putting Agger in his class smile.gif

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One from Foxes will be back if Dagger gone.
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i heard the radio news that agger now on talks with Milan director...
Agger is a good cb but i think rafa can find a really good replacement (IF AGGER LEAVE, HOPE NOT...) icon_rolleyes.gif
But i think we need a good winger... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 16 2009, 09:36 AM)
we normally dont agree on Rafa and Liverpool's performances, hfi, but this time, i am with you on the Dagger situation
QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 16 2009, 10:31 AM)
Tell me who is the best replacement for Carra & Hyypia years from now? Dagger a defender who dribble better than half of other BPL defenders, technically-gifted, strong physical presence, quick learner. 7.5M and we letting this talent  off will eventually lead to greater loss in the current market. Ended up we will have to pay more in the future for some average CB.
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One from Foxes will be back if Dagger gone.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 16 2009, 11:45 AM)
I feel not so guilty now...I tot I m the only one spelling his name into weapon...  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2009, 10:54 AM)
I'm with Jon C on this one. We have not real insight into the actual situation but if he's being a selfish, greedy git who expects to be an automatic choice after just returning from and lenghty injury, then be off.

Why go to AC Milan? Hmmm well them being one of the giants of club football is defo a big plus. Hot women? Endless shopping? Life in general is much nicer than in gloomy England. Also, AC Milan have a reputation of playing a back four with the combined age of some football clubs. Jaap Stam? Paolo Maldini? Alessandro Costacurta? Franco Baresi? Serginho? Cafu? Leonardo? Just to name a few. Long term job security perhaps.

Looks like we've renewed our interest in Upson in light of Agger's impending departure.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/arti...0&in_page_id=43
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So far Upson isnt the only player that linked with us,

Turner, Hangeland, Anderson(some brazilian club), the one i cant spell and u cant pronounce , etc

And I seriously wonder which one of them are the real deal. wink.gif
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So who do u think suitable cb playing with us???
if agger go to milan...
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Double post : One from Foxes will be back if Dagger gone.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 16 2009, 11:06 AM)
I'm pretty much agreed with all the posters here. While its a big lost to the club in losing one of the best CB in Europe, & I'll be very sad to see him go, IF he's acting like some big time Charlie, then well be my guest just go. Like Seedorf said, it is understandable that fans feels sad that their player is leaving the club, as in case with Kaka situation, but still nothing concrete YET.
As far as I'm seeing the situation, there's won't be smoke without fire. Last time, I'm stuck in this kinda feeling is when God left us. But life goes on, players leave but Liverpool FC will remain forever.
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Like you said, there wont be smoke without fire.To be honest, I got a feeling Agger gonna leave us sooner or later. With Carra seems to be undroppable , Agger, Skrtel and Hyypia, 3 of them are fighting for one little spot.Recently, there are talks about Rafa is giving Hyypia another 12months deal.In other words, Rafa is trying to play safe with Agger's future remained unknown.

And you are right, life goes on, players come and leave...and liverpool Fc will still remain the same.No one is bigger than a club, it's wasteful to lose such talent though.
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Man Utd, Liverpool feud spills into market over Anderson


Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and Liverpool's Rafa Benitez are set to raise the stakes over their public row with a red-hot transfer battle.

The Sun says things will only going get worse as a result of Fergie’s attempts to scupper Liverpool’s move for Anderson.

Kop boss Benitez has been on the trail of the Fluminense centre-half for months and had his scouts make a personal check just before Christmas.

But Fergie got wind of Anfield interest and wants Manchester United to beat them to him.

The ex-Brazilian youth international has only six months of his contract to run and Fluminense would prefer to sell him for £3million now rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.

With Daniel Agger’s future up in the air and Sami Hyypia 35, Liverpool want Anderson as back-up for Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel.

But Ferguson is also after defensive cover and has been scouring the South American market following the success of Brazilian teenager Rafael Da Silva this season.



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Instead of letting him go, prepare the deal and convert him into left back. At the same time, offload Dossena and i am sure most of you will agree. biggrin.gif

So we have the strongest back four.

23 - 37 - 4 - 5

This is what Rafa normally did right where he turned Kuyt from striker to winger~
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 16 2009, 12:08 PM)
Man Utd, Liverpool feud spills into market over Anderson
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and Liverpool's Rafa Benitez are set to raise the stakes over their public row with a red-hot transfer battle.

The Sun
says things will only going get worse as a result of Fergie’s attempts to scupper Liverpool’s move for Anderson.

Kop boss Benitez has been on the trail of the Fluminense centre-half for months and had his scouts make a personal check just before Christmas.

But Fergie got wind of Anfield interest and wants Manchester United to beat them to him.

The ex-Brazilian youth international has only six months of his contract to run and Fluminense would prefer to sell him for £3million now rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.

With Daniel Agger’s future up in the air and Sami Hyypia 35, Liverpool want Anderson as back-up for Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel.

But Ferguson is also after defensive cover and has been scouring the South American market following the success of Brazilian teenager Rafael Da Silva this season.
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Anyway, yes we are linked to this guy, not only by the The Sun but various tabloids in Brazil


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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 16 2009, 12:10 PM)
Instead of letting him go, prepare the deal and convert him into left back. At the same time, offload Dossena and i am sure most of you will agree. biggrin.gif

So we have the strongest back four.

23 - 37 - 4 - 5

This is what Rafa normally did right where he turned Kuyt from striker to winger~
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Shud be 5 - 37 -4- 23 la... laugh.gif

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Anderson??

Phew, i tot rafa was interested in Manc's Anderson. Btw, never heard of this guy before.
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This Place is SG.....I know there's a couple of clubs here but neither one makes me wanna join in.....Thinking of building my own gang haha....One already on the way rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Check out this this place, same with you guys, if anyone ventured down south to Singapore, just pop by there to watch the match, and say that you're a MyRAWK member, they should look after you blokes, but one thing though, do brush up on the songs and history. They are very likely to ask you to sing. And no, YNWA is not accepted doh.gif


QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 16 2009, 12:08 PM)
Man Utd, Liverpool feud spills into market over Anderson
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and Liverpool's Rafa Benitez are set to raise the stakes over their public row with a red-hot transfer battle.

[SIZE=7]The Sun
says things will only going get worse as a result of Fergie’s attempts to scupper Liverpool’s move for Anderson.

Kop boss Benitez has been on the trail of the Fluminense centre-half for months and had his scouts make a personal check just before Christmas.

But Fergie got wind of Anfield interest and wants Manchester United to beat them to him.

The ex-Brazilian youth international has only six months of his contract to run and Fluminense would prefer to sell him for £3million now rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.

With Daniel Agger’s future up in the air and Sami Hyypia 35, Liverpool want Anderson as back-up for Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel.

But Ferguson is also after defensive cover and has been scouring the South American market following the success of Brazilian teenager Rafael Da Silva this season.
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Was reading with a bit of interest until I saw those two words, stopped reading it. TS, can we ban that publication as a source? This is because of their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy and this being the 20th year after the tragedy, I think we should really ban that here.
I for one never read anything from that publication as a source, not sure about others.

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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2009, 12:52 PM)
Check out this this place, same with you guys, if anyone ventured down south to Singapore, just pop by there to watch the match, and say that you're a MyRAWK member, they should look after you blokes, but one thing though, do brush up on the songs and history. They are very likely to ask you to sing. And no, YNWA is not accepted  doh.gif
Was reading with a bit of interest until I saw those two words, stopped reading it. TS, can we ban that publication as a source? This is because of their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy and this being the 20th year after the tragedy, I think we should really ban that here.
I for one never read anything from that publication as a source, not sure about others.
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the sun unreliable eh?
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Jan 16 2009, 12:42 PM)
Anderson??

Phew, i tot rafa was interested in Manc's Anderson. Btw, never heard of this guy before.
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btw anyone know anderson playing style...
does he suit wit liverpool???
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 16 2009, 12:54 PM)
the sun unreliable eh?
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 16 2009, 12:57 PM)
They can twist the "fats" and truth... doh.gif
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 16 2009, 12:54 PM)
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Whether they are reliable or not, not the point, it's their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy that pisses eveyone off, go wiki it to find out more.
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wah thanx jonno...
but i found dis n very interesting... (in dat link u gave)

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The Hillsborough disaster touched not only clubs in England but clubs around the world as well.For example, on 19 April 1989 (the Wednesday after the disaster), a European Cup semi final between AC Milan and Real Madrid was played. The referee blew his whistle 6 minutes into the game to stop play and hold a minute's silence for those who lost their lives tragically at Hillsborough. Half way through the minute's silence, the A.C. Milan fans sang Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" as a sign of respect.

As a result of the disaster, Liverpool's game against Arsenal was delayed to the end of the season and eventually decided the league title. The Arsenal players brought flowers onto the pitch and presented them to the Liverpool fans around the stadium before the game.

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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2009, 12:52 PM)
Check out this this place, same with you guys, if anyone ventured down south to Singapore, just pop by there to watch the match, and say that you're a MyRAWK member, they should look after you blokes, but one thing though, do brush up on the songs and history. They are very likely to ask you to sing. And no, YNWA is not accepted  doh.gif
Was reading with a bit of interest until I saw those two words, stopped reading it. TS, can we ban that publication as a source? This is because of their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy and this being the 20th year after the tragedy, I think we should really ban that here.
I for one never read anything from that publication as a source, not sure about others.
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2009, 12:52 PM)
Check out this this place, same with you guys, if anyone ventured down south to Singapore, just pop by there to watch the match, and say that you're a MyRAWK member, they should look after you blokes, but one thing though, do brush up on the songs and history. They are very likely to ask you to sing. And no, YNWA is not accepted  doh.gif
Was reading with a bit of interest until I saw those two words, stopped reading it. TS, can we ban that publication as a source? This is because of their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy and this being the 20th year after the tragedy, I think we should really ban that here.
I for one never read anything from that publication as a source, not sure about others.
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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Jan 16 2009, 02:26 PM)
wah thanx jonno...
but i found dis n very interesting... (in dat link u gave)

undefined

The Hillsborough disaster touched not only clubs in England but clubs around the world as well.For example, on 19 April 1989 (the Wednesday after the disaster), a European Cup semi final between AC Milan and Real Madrid was played. The referee blew his whistle 6 minutes into the game to stop play and hold a minute's silence for those who lost their lives tragically at Hillsborough. Half way through the minute's silence, the A.C. Milan fans sang Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" as a sign of respect.

As a result of the disaster, Liverpool's game against Arsenal was delayed to the end of the season and eventually decided the league title. The Arsenal players brought flowers onto the pitch and presented them to the Liverpool fans around the stadium before the game.

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here you go if you want to watch it, but remember to have tissue handy, brought tears to me eyes every time I watch it...

Please post it up so the rest can watch it too, my connection is very slow here.

Also, if you want to be part of the 20th year of Hillsborough Tragedy service at the match viewing, do make yourself available on 18th April 2009, the match vs Arsenal, we have something planned for that day, as a tribute for the 96 fellow fans who left us.

To the 96, You'll Never Walk Alone & RIP.


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so what time is liverpool's next match? got live in astro? i think we will win..
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so what time is liverpool's next match? got live in astro? i think we will win..
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Added on January 16, 2009, 4:12 pmALONSO HANDS REDS DERBY BOOST
Jimmy Rice 15 January 2009

Xabi Alonso today declared himself fit to face Everton in the first of next week's Merseyside derbies on Monday.

The 27-year-old midfielder needed seven stitches in his instep following Liverpool's FA Cup victory over Preston 12 days ago.

The injury kept him out of last weekend's goalless draw at Stoke City because his foot hadn't heeled sufficiently to wear football boots.

Now back in full training, Alonso is hopeful of a return to action against David Moyes' men.

He said: "I am back training. I had the stitches taken out on Monday.

"I'm still a little bit sore in that area. Right now I am able to play with the inside of my foot but my instep will be okay for Monday."

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alonso can play???
better he pair wit masch or gerrard dis monday...
it depends on rafa wan to play single or pair striker also...
but prefer 4-5-1 for dis game wit gerrard backup torres... tongue.gif

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i say go 4-4-2 with alonso and gerrard to start off with in the middle,
and keane and torres up front.
pop mascherano in once we've settled a lead to take care of any counter-attacks through the middle.

come on reds!
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TORRES: I'M READY TO START DERBY
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Fernando Torres today warned Everton that he is ready to start his first Premier League game since November.

The 24-year-old terrorised the Toffees at Goodison Park earlier in the season, scoring a brace as Liverpool ran out 2-0 winners. He also netted in his only other appearance against Everton at Anfield last season.

Now, after two substitute appearances since recovering from a hamstring injury, the striker feels he is ready to lead Liverpool's attack from the off on Monday night.

"I have worked for a long time with the physios, Paco the fitness coach and everyone at the club, and I think I can now play more than 45 minutes and start in the first 11.

"It depends on Rafa whether I can start in the derby. It's a massive game and I want to play."

Torres tore his hamstring during Liverpool's Champions League encounter with Marseille at the end of November.


Added on January 16, 2009, 6:02 pmRIERA: WE'LL TAKE UNDERDOGS TAG
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Albert Riera claims he and his teammates will gladly accept the role of underdogs in the title race.

Liverpool have been top of the league since the start of December but could drop to second if Manchester United beat Bolton at the Reebok on Saturday.

United have now been installed as the bookies' favourites - not that Riera is complaining.

In fact, the Spain international thinks the role of underdogs could suit Liverpool.

He told us: "For me, it is not important who the papers and the people on TV say are favourites.

"It is fine if they don't think we are favourites because there is less pressure on us if people are not talking about us every day.

"For me, it's not a problem. The most important thing is where the teams finish at the end of the season."

United's 3-0 victory over Chelsea has led some to suggest Chelsea are out of the race - not so, according to Riera.

"You can't say anything for sure in football," he said. "Maybe United will be one point ahead of us after Saturday but Chelsea are still in it also. They are consistent. They have not done so well at home but they win a lot of matches away and that is not easy."

If Liverpool do drop to second on Saturday, they will regain the lead with victory over Everton on Monday night.

It is the first of two matches in the space of a week between the red and blue halves of Merseyside, and Riera believes the bragging rights will be claimed by the side that doesn't get caught up in derby fever.

He explained: "These are massive matches. The atmosphere will be really warm and the newspapers will speak a lot about this match. All the players wait for games like this - special games against Man Utd, Chelsea and Everton.

"We all want to play but we have to stay focused on getting the three points.

"I know how much the fans want to win the derby but I think they also know that the most important thing is to get the three points in order to stay at the top of the league."

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QUOTE(daidzz @ Jan 16 2009, 04:41 PM)
i say go 4-4-2 with alonso and gerrard to start off with in the middle,
and keane and torres up front.
pop mascherano in once we've settled a lead to take care of any counter-attacks through the middle.

come on reds!
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we can win in a big margin if the formation like dat...
but if wan to play safe, 4-5-1 bro...
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Real Madrid will move for Jermaine Pennant on a short-term deal from Liverpool - before replacing him with Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer.

Jermaine Pennant has snubbed AC Milan by agreeing to join former Arsenal team-mate Tony Adams at Portsmouth.

Former Reds Steve Finnan's move to Hull City fell through last night after a medical revealed a deep-seated problem with his left thigh.

Former Liverpool midfielder Darren Potter, 24, has joined Sheffield Wednesday on loan from Wolves.


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Paper Talk


Real Madrid will move for Jermaine Pennant on a short-term deal from Liverpool - before replacing him with Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer.

Jermaine Pennant has snubbed AC Milan by agreeing to join former Arsenal team-mate Tony Adams at Portsmouth.
so which is which? Real or Portsmouth?
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so which is which? Real or Portsmouth?
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RAFA Benitez has rejected the contract offered to him by Liverpool Football Club.

The Spaniard insists he will only agree to the new deal if given more control over football matters - rather than having to answer to a club chief executive.

Benitez, who insists money is not an issue, has informed American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett of his stand.

Today he said: “"The owners feel that the manager's decisions need to be subject to the chief executive.

“But I know that I am subject to results and to our fans and they are the best judges I will ever have.”

- Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo, Source
Well, this is getting dragged on a little too long. Just give Rafa his rights to manage and be done with it. He will then have the total freedom to do things his way and will be fully accountable for any shortcomings. If Agger gets sold without Rafa's consent or due to other people's mess, and then his managerial ability undermined, I could really see Rafa walking away. This is exactly the kind of bs he left Valencia for.

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Well, this is getting dragged on a little too long. Just give Rafa his rights to manage and be done with it. He will then have the total freedom to do things his way and will be fully accountable for any shortcomings. If Agger gets sold without Rafa's consent or due to other people's mess, and then his managerial ability undermined, I could really see Rafa walking away. This is exactly the kind of bs he left Valencia for.
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Milan Sign Agger From Liverpool - Reports

The Rossoneri have landed central defender Daniel Agger from Liverpool as they strengthen their defence for the second time in a week.

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Milan are on the verge of announcing the signing of Liverpool defender Daniel Agger on a permanent deal.

The 24-year-old stopper has been a long-time target of the Rossoneri and Sportmediaset claims a deal has been reached after Adriano Galliani met with the player's agent, Per Steffensen, in Milan. Agger will sign a four year deal at that Stadio San Siro and the Italian giants will transfer €9 million into the Reds bank account.

There have been constant denials over the move but it seems that Milan have finally landed their man. The Rossoneri have been keen on strengthening at the back for some time. They have finally achieved it this week as Agger's arrival follows that of Felipe Mattioni from Gremio.

The Danish international will be available to play for coach Carlo Ancelotti as soon as all the paperwork is signed, sealed and delivered. Agger's contract with Liverpool was set to run until 2010. However, a clause in the deal allowed the player to find another club and leave from June 2008 onwards.

The stopper will be eligible to play for Milan in the UEFA Cup, which is an added bonus. Milan have wasted no time in signing top-class defenders. Although the moves are positive, it begs the question: when Alessandro Nesta's return from injury will be?


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Added on January 16, 2009, 7:36 pmbad news for liverpool...dont understand why liverpool is selling him and with just 9m lol...

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Milan Sign Agger From Liverpool - Reports

The Rossoneri have landed central defender Daniel Agger from Liverpool as they strengthen their defence for the second time in a week.

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Milan are on the verge of announcing the signing of Liverpool defender Daniel Agger on a permanent deal.

The 24-year-old stopper has been a long-time target of the Rossoneri and Sportmediaset claims a deal has been reached after Adriano Galliani met with the player's agent, Per Steffensen, in Milan. Agger will sign a four year deal at that Stadio San Siro and the Italian giants will transfer €9 million into the Reds bank account.

There have been constant denials over the move but it seems that Milan have finally landed their man. The Rossoneri have been keen on strengthening at the back for some time. They have finally achieved it this week as Agger's arrival follows that of Felipe Mattioni from Gremio.

The Danish international will be available to play for coach Carlo Ancelotti as soon as all the paperwork is signed, sealed and delivered. Agger's contract with Liverpool was set to run until 2010. However, a clause in the deal allowed the player to find another club and leave from June 2008 onwards.

The stopper will be eligible to play for Milan in the UEFA Cup, which is an added bonus. Milan have wasted no time in signing top-class defenders. Although the moves are positive, it begs the question: when Alessandro Nesta's return from injury will be?
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Added on January 16, 2009, 7:36 pmbad news for liverpool...dont understand why liverpool is selling him and with just 9m lol...
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Well its being claimed now that Agger and his agent have been see in Milan. So if its true, this is disappointing news that we have lost Agger and even more disappointing at how easily he's been poached from us.
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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Jan 16 2009, 07:35 PM)
Milan Sign Agger From Liverpool - Reports

The Rossoneri have landed central defender Daniel Agger from Liverpool as they strengthen their defence for the second time in a week.

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Milan are on the verge of announcing the signing of Liverpool defender Daniel Agger on a permanent deal.

The 24-year-old stopper has been a long-time target of the Rossoneri and Sportmediaset claims a deal has been reached after Adriano Galliani met with the player's agent, Per Steffensen, in Milan. Agger will sign a four year deal at that Stadio San Siro and the Italian giants will transfer €9 million into the Reds bank account.

There have been constant denials over the move but it seems that Milan have finally landed their man. The Rossoneri have been keen on strengthening at the back for some time. They have finally achieved it this week as Agger's arrival follows that of Felipe Mattioni from Gremio.

The Danish international will be available to play for coach Carlo Ancelotti as soon as all the paperwork is signed, sealed and delivered. Agger's contract with Liverpool was set to run until 2010. However, a clause in the deal allowed the player to find another club and leave from June 2008 onwards.

The stopper will be eligible to play for Milan in the UEFA Cup, which is an added bonus. Milan have wasted no time in signing top-class defenders. Although the moves are positive, it begs the question: when Alessandro Nesta's return from injury will be?
Source


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:36 pmbad news for liverpool...dont understand why liverpool is selling him and with just 9m lol...
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9m? At least it's better than the suggested 7.5m...Anyway, the news din come out in Setanta sports/ Liverpool Fc.tv, so we cant really assume that he is sold.As much as I hate to say, Skrtel is more solid compared to Agger while Agger, on the other hand, is a more attacking approach defender which is why Rafa opted Skrtel before Agger.Agger is young and need matches to improve more but I dun think Rafa can guarantee him that with Carra untouchable.
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Rafa shud have give more chance to agger instead of just starting hyppia ....although im not liverpool fan,but agger is really good and it is really a big loss for liverpool....
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seriously, at this time, it really make me feel unsecured?not satisfy?
i still have faith in Rafa, and let him be in control damm stupid yanks!

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However, a clause in the deal allowed the player to find another club and leave from June 2008 onwards.


That's the same clause in Crouchie's deal ,no? And the one in Ronaldinho, no?

So, in the end, its up to Agger and he choose AC Milan above Liverpool. doh.gif


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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Jan 16 2009, 07:46 PM)
Rafa shud have give more chance to agger instead of just starting hyppia ....although im not liverpool fan,but agger is really good and it is really a big loss for liverpool....
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The reason Hyypia started in the last few games is because he is tall and better in the air than the likes of Agger and Skrtel.And it's proven work. Delap' grenade proved to be failure with hyypia heading a couples of them out. Anyway, when I saw the teamsheet last game with Agger not even making into bench, I suspected that he will be leaving... cry.gif

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Rafa shud have give more chance to agger instead of just starting hyppia ....although im not liverpool fan,but agger is really good and it is really a big loss for liverpool....
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True but Agger had been injured and was really struggling to get back to his top form. Hypia wasnt injured for an entire season prior, so he was fit and ready for action. He doent always start but he has been impressive in most of the games he played this season. So Rafa is not really at fault to play Hypia, other than frustrating one of his other player. But if Agger failed to even acknowledge that the manager is only doing what he reckons is best for the team and decided he no longer needs to improve and fight for a place, then maybe Liverpool isnt a club for him. A shame really, as i genuinely feels he is a classy ball playing defender.

PS: Skysports now reporting Agger's agent is distancing his client from any transfer.

PSS: Pennant is set to switch to Portsmouth as fees has been agreed.

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Added on January 16, 2009, 9:39 pmJust 9m?????????? shocking.gif

I thought he would at least leave us for more.


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Milan Sign Agger From Liverpool - Reports

The Rossoneri have landed central defender Daniel Agger from Liverpool as they strengthen their defence for the second time in a week.

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Milan are on the verge of announcing the signing of Liverpool defender Daniel Agger on a permanent deal.

The 24-year-old stopper has been a long-time target of the Rossoneri and Sportmediaset claims a deal has been reached after Adriano Galliani met with the player's agent, Per Steffensen, in Milan. Agger will sign a four year deal at that Stadio San Siro and the Italian giants will transfer €9 million into the Reds bank account.

There have been constant denials over the move but it seems that Milan have finally landed their man. The Rossoneri have been keen on strengthening at the back for some time. They have finally achieved it this week as Agger's arrival follows that of Felipe Mattioni from Gremio.

The Danish international will be available to play for coach Carlo Ancelotti as soon as all the paperwork is signed, sealed and delivered. Agger's contract with Liverpool was set to run until 2010. However, a clause in the deal allowed the player to find another club and leave from June 2008 onwards.

The stopper will be eligible to play for Milan in the UEFA Cup, which is an added bonus. Milan have wasted no time in signing top-class defenders. Although the moves are positive, it begs the question: when Alessandro Nesta's return from injury will be?
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Added on January 16, 2009, 7:36 pmbad news for liverpool...dont understand why liverpool is selling him and with just 9m lol...
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 16 2009, 11:13 AM)
i disagree withsome of you for calling agger money minded and greedy. when some top defenders earn up to 80k a week, and since all of us rate him very highly, then why is it that we complain when he asks to get a higher payment.. if u ask me, i think we are paying peanuts to agger. of coz im not implying we pay him 80k, but his current salary is about the same as when he joined the kop. hasn't he already esstablished the fact that he is a way better player when he was first bought? then doesn't that mean he deserves a better salary.. a demand around 60k is not too much in my opinion considering what other top defenders get.. but as i stated before in this thread, i think he will settle for between 45-50k for now.
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Agger was one of my fav player..why cant we just pay him around 50k or 55k

how many Carra , Hyppia and Skrtel earning?

btw..30k is way too low and even Mattiu Upson at West Ham earn that much..

now he is gone..and big loss to us..really dissapointed as I am eager to see Agger-Skrtel partnership in future
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Looked like we just shot ourselves in the foot again. Agger set to sign for AC Milan and Rafa rejected the contract. I'm not sure who to blame for Agger's lost but fecking sure we wouldn't be in all this mess if not for Mr Imbecile Parry as the CEO!!!!! What a fecking time to announce all this at the height of the season! How many more negative issues we must face to compete for the league. I'm buggered.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 16 2009, 07:47 PM)
That's the same clause in Crouchie's deal ,no?  And the one in Ronaldinho, no?

So, in the end, its up to Agger and he choose AC Milan above Liverpool.  doh.gif


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:49 pm
The reason Hyypia started in the last few games is because he is tall and better in the air than the likes of Agger and Skrtel.And it's proven work. Delap' grenade proved to be failure with hyypia heading a couples of them out. Anyway, when I saw the teamsheet last game with Agger not even making into bench, I suspected that he will be leaving... cry.gif
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there big amount between 30k and 60k and I totally think that he deserve to get more than 30k after he score some good goals

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Agger, one of my fav player but we can't hold him. Let him decide for his own future, the aging club or 'future' champion. And we can't accept all his demands because this will cause domino effect, where good performance like Riera and Masch will also demand for more. We can't please everybody.

Rafa rejecting contract not because of money, but lack of control on the team regarding transfer policy. This is all the big men fault. Our owners are too cocky and too business minded, no hearts for the team.

I just hope this conflicts and issues will not damage our team moral. Sometimes simple things like this will cause a lot for a team especially Liverpool which is under a lot of pressure on keeping the champion trophy in line of sight. Just concentrate on this Monday clash against Everton.
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Agent dismissed transfer rumour

Daniel Agger's agent has dismissed speculation linking the defender with a move to AC Milan.

The reports surfaced after agent Per Steffensen was seen in Milan but he insists his client is not on the verge of leaving Liverpool.

The Denmark international, who joined Liverpool from Brondby three years ago, is under contract until the summer of 2010.

Steffensen maintains that he always conducts his business professionally and would never hold secret talks with another club.

Agger's future has been the subject of speculation for some time but Steffensen insists the 24-year-old is happy at Anfield.

"Daniel is still under contract with Liverpool for 18 months," Steffensen told Ekstra Bladet.

"I am a reliable player agent and it is obvious that I am not starting any negotiations concerning a transfer in such a situation.

"Whoever wants to sign Daniel at this point has to get in touch with Liverpool FC first. These are the rules in this business.

"Daniel does not want to move actually."
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Sounds promising and i'd be delighted if this puts an end to the speculation. FFS get him signed a new contract ASAP. Its unbelievable how close we've been to losing key players from sluggish contract negotiations. Its bad enough that we missed out on target players, but to even losing out your own players is just embarrassing.

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Liverpool's co-chairmen remain committed to finding a solution in their ongoing discussions with Rafael Benitez on a new contract.

The Reds boss had revealed in the Liverpool Echo that he has rejected the offer of a new deal.

A spokesperson for the owners said today: "As Rafa says he enjoys a strong working relationship with Tom and George and they are united behind the team.

"They understand Rafa's frustrations and are committed to working with him and his advisers to find a solution. They will keep talking, and in the meantime all focus is on the pitch and the next game."

Speaking earlier today, Benitez had said: "The talks between my agent and the advisers of the owners have been very positive and friendly and our differences are about my responsibilities," said Rafa.

"This is solely about being allowed to manage Liverpool Football Club to the best of my abilities as I see them.

"I believe that this club has the potential to improve and I just want to be able to help this to happen.

"I will continue to do my job as manager and concentrate on the thing that our fans want me to focus on – winning trophies for them."
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The above statement from the offal doesnt say about Hick's guaranteeing Rafa future but he did say it during an interview moments ago. He also acknowledges that Rafa 'has been been frustrated for a long time about the length of time it takes for certain things to happen' and admits that Rafa is merely just trying to 'position himself to be able to do his job better' but reckons certain balance is required. Its a positive response from the owners, and hopefully they will keep to their word into getting this contract issues 'fixed'. Whats clear is that Parry is obviously an obstacle to us progressing as a club, the sooner he gets replaced the better it is for us. If we still insisting with the CEO to act as a go between transfer dealings, at least find a competent person who can forge a good working relationship with the manager.

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so has the agger transfer been confirmed or not? all this bloody tabloids are confusing
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REDS ACCEPT POMPEY BID FOR PENNANT
Jimmy Rice 16 January 2009

Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.

Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.

He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.

Source: LFC.tv

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REDS ACCEPT POMPEY BID FOR PENNANT
Jimmy Rice 16 January 2009

Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.

Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.

He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.

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i dont really  regret seeing him leave.. he never was serious in his footballing career
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Come on, he did some job to us before even in champion league. It's just rafa don't need his role anymore. hmm.gif
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Come on, he did some job to us before even in champion league. It's just rafa don't need his role anymore.  hmm.gif
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i beg to differ.. he was always mediocre in my opinion.. always late for training, gets up late coz party at night.. owh, and something interesting to note, he nevr complained when on bench? a player with desire wud have at least said something.. shows that he was contented just to sit and makan duit.. just my opinion btw.
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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 16 2009, 11:17 PM)
i beg to differ.. he was always mediocre in my opinion.. always late for training, gets up late coz party at night.. owh, and something interesting to note, he nevr complained when on bench? a player with desire wud have at least said something.. shows that he was contented just to sit and makan duit.. just my opinion btw.
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I beg to differ.In fact, he was one of the hot prospect of English players few years back.He got the talent, the pace but too bad he has a bad life off the pitch.Should he change his lifestyle and focus on field, he will become one of the fewer good english winger.The main problem with him is his inconsistency.Hope he do well in the next club.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 16 2009, 11:28 PM)
I beg to differ.In fact, he was one of the hot prospect of English players few years back.He got the talent, the pace but too bad he has a bad life off the pitch.Should he change his lifestyle and focus on field, he will become one of the fewer good english winger.The main problem with him is his inconsistency.Hope he do well in the next club.
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i agree with you on the talent part but i think his attitude is fcuked up.. went i said mediocre, i meant his performances for us.. i remember when he was playing for birmingham. he was banging in the cross every few mins.. neverending supply! but i never saw that kinda performance when he joined us..
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i agree with you on the talent part but i think his attitude is fcuked up.. went i said mediocre, i meant his performances for us.. i remember when he was playing for birmingham. he was banging in the cross every few mins.. neverending supply! but i never saw that kinda performance when he joined us..
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His attitude? As far as I remember, Rafa praised him as he himself asked to be played in reserves to maintain match fitness.Attitude off pitch, to be exact, is the main problem...His night life especially. doh.gif
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His attitude? As far as I remember, Rafa praised him as he himself asked to be played in reserves to maintain match fitness.Attitude off pitch, to be exact, is the main problem...His night life especially.  doh.gif
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i am talking bout his attitude off pitch.. i think carra(or was it crouchie) that saic that he had to suffer to wake pennant up for training coz of his nite life..
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i am talking bout his attitude off pitch.. i think carra(or was it crouchie) that saic that he had to suffer to wake pennant up for training coz of his nite life..
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Not sure about the waking up part but carra did complain that his nightmare roommate is Pennant as Pennant tend to sleep very late into the night... doh.gif
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haha.. yea, but that just means we need a right winger.. wonder who?
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i am hoping that behind all these rumours...is just a ploy to make other clubs underestimate us...

i am hoping, behind all these nonsense, the boys and the management are plotting hard, focusing, training to beat Everton to remain top of table by next week...

i am hoping...because if there is a rift between the top people and D.agger's pay is not resolved, we're in a mess...
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i am hoping that behind all these rumours...is just a ploy to make other clubs underestimate us...

i am hoping, behind all these nonsense, the boys and the management are plotting hard, focusing, training to beat Everton to remain top of table by next week...

i am hoping...because if there is a rift between the top people and D.agger's pay is not resolved, we're in a mess...
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no we wont.. even if the rift isn't solved we wont be in a mess.. this is liverpool football club.. no player is bigger than the club.. it would be a great loss, yes.. but by no means will we be in a mess

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how much we sold pennant for?
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how much we sold pennant for?
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2-3m perhaps...since his contract is expiring.
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no we wont.. even if the rift isn't solved we wont be in a mess.. this is liverpool football club.. no player is bigger than the club.. it would be a great loss, yes.. but by no means will we be in a mess
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To me, having these things happening at the most crucial point of a season where we are supposed to have the best shot of winning the title...is some sort of a mess...
Big club or not, Liverpool need to display an organization and management that resembles a title pedigree....We are proud of our past glories but no. 19 must come quick.
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To me, having these things happening at the most crucial point of a season where we are supposed to have the best shot of winning the title...is some sort of a mess...
Big club or not, Liverpool need to display an organization and management that resembles a title pedigree....We are proud of our past glories but no. 19 must come quick.
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yea, we need it quick or else those devils will match our 18.. damn, thats my biggest fear.. but still they need another lifetime to match our European record. hehe
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QUOTE(nando @ Jan 17 2009, 12:40 AM)
To me, having these things happening at the most crucial point of a season where we are supposed to have the best shot of winning the title...is some sort of a mess...
Big club or not, Liverpool need to display an organization and management that resembles a title pedigree....We are proud of our past glories but no. 19 must come quick.
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An eventful season, no?

First, Barry saga + potential departure of Alonso followed by Keane's saga and get reported by Spurs and then we get him.

Not to forget, Hyypia's outburst of Rafa and the staffs hide the truth of registering players for CL .

Then Torres injured over and over again...Twice I mean.

Subsequently, Skrtel injured which then followed closely with rumours of keane is leaving.

And worst of all, captain get caught for assault...

Then, rafa's outburst on SAF + Gill, then Agger is rumoured to be leaving...

Then rafa rejected contract...


Sigh.... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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Easy. This Rafa's decision is going to make the fans at his back for Everton match. I predict a massive outcome from it.

Don't take things too complicated. Even though how worst the situation are, we definitely get through it.

You never know what happen next as like you never dream that Rafa could spoke in the conference with a note in his hands, publicly? He is not entirely lost his mind, i can assure you, especially in this very moment.

Wait and see. I never had a good feeling like this before. I can taste it now.
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i really am worried bout theassault case.. what if he is proven guilty? 5 years? damn!!!!
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i really wonder what rafa doing this lately.. if rafa really have to go, then who is the next manager? unsure.gif sweat.gif
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i think its very very very unlikely that he will go
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i hope not but sometimes really hard to say one. but if really he is going, then who will be coming then?
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roberto mancini ok i think
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put me as manager.. before making any managerial decisions, i'll ask advice from this thread.. how? ok?
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at the risk of inviting bullets and missiles from my fellow Reds...i will do a triple somersault if Mourinho comes...I think there is this deep admiration, envy and love he has for Liverpool and the challenge of rebuilding a club with special history back to its old glory days suits someone like him...

just my HO okay? dont hang me..
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i think Rafa just want to have control on which player he wants to buy, and the board must accept it no matter what.... just give Rafa what he wants !
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Most Liverpool fans fell in ‘love’, football love of course (call it man love it makes it ok) with Fernando Torres when he rounded the Chelsea defence and opened the scoring on his home debut merely 16 months ago.

If they didn’t then, they surely had by the time he scored against Arsenal at the Kop end in the Champions League quarter final, when it seemed the Kop was ready to crumble such was the bouncing going on in the stands.

Come May our record signing had broke van Nistelrooy’s record for the most goals scored by a foreign player in a debut Premier League season and in doing so written himself into the history books and hearts of Liverpool fans forever. It led us all to adopt Spain during the Euro’s and our El Nino didn’t let us down, scoring the winner in the final of course.

It’s been a frustrating season so far, plagued by hamstring injuries, but away from the pitch our Spanish sensation continues to say all the right things. In another brilliant interview Torres talks to Martin Samuel in the Daily Mail, again proclaiming his love for the club and questioning Kaka’s potential move to Man City.

Torres said “It would be a fantastic contract, yes, but there are other things more important than money. A player wants to be remembered for what he has won, for the medals, for what he has given his club.

Imagine 10 years after you stop playing, you go back, you look around, you are not in any picture, you have no medals, no trophies; it is like you played for nothing. You may have a fantastic car, a fantastic home, but what does it matter?”

Makes you smile doesn’t it?

While speaking about Liverpool, Torres sees likeness with his first club Atletico Madrid;

   
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‘Liverpool is a massive club in reputation, but as soon as I came here it felt like Atletico to me. It is a working city, an honest city. The people work all week, and on Saturday they want to go to Anfield and watch the best team in the world. I had many offers in football, I had many big clubs to choose from, so I decided on something more than football.

    ‘The people here, the history, the way everybody comes together, I looked at that and I thought we have the chance to make this one of the greatest clubs in the world, again.

    ‘Now I feel Liverpool is my English club, the way Atletico is my Spanish club. I would not like to play for another English or Spanish club. This feeling is very important to me.’


Torres also talks about his desire to win the Champions League, the importance of not letting Man United make it 18 titles and his desire to of course win the Premier League.


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Pennant eager to stay at Anfield

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...4801836,00.html

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sweat.gif sweat.gif ....wat do he wan actually??real madrid la, portsmouth la, milan la, hull city la, now wan to stay back at liverpool?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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now its all up to rafa i guess. whether he wants to sell pennant or not.. im not a big fan of pennant but in my opinion, if we sell him now, we wont have any out and out natural right winger..
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i think he's taking revenge on Rafa for letting him root at reserve. Do i need to remind you guys when his contract run out? biggrin.gif
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[quote=Petre,Jan 17 2009, 10:02 AM]
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Torres also talks about his desire to win the Champions League, the importance of not letting Man United make it 18 titles and his desire to of course win the Premier League.[/quote]

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If we have 11 players with his attitude, we would've already won the league by now.
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put me as manager.. before making any managerial decisions, i'll ask advice from this thread.. how? ok?
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ok. but remember to bring us back the premier league title. if not we will sack you. how? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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For all those who wonder what's really happening behind the scene, here's an insightful info on the club's structure mess and political struggle between Rafa and Rick. Its posted in Rawk, seems credible.

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I've tried to stay out of this thread as much as I can as I didn't want to have to keep responding to some of the drivel that seems to creeping into every other post since Rafa's press conference last week. It's not that easy when you see things repeated  30 seconds after SSN have said it and another myth is perpetuated ad infinitum and ad nauseum.
So I'm going to give an honest opinion based on fact. People can take it or leave it but those that know will understand. Those that want to just use any platform of perceived negativity to have a crack at Benitez will continue to do so because its been festering in their heads for too long to change. Those that only have an opinion dependant on what they see in the media will only change their opinion when they are told what it is by the same.

I've worked with Rick Parry and as you say Alan there is far more to this man than just being an accountant. His commitment to Liverpool F.C is undoubted and his workload would make most of us buckle after a week.
The job he inherited from Peter Robinson was one of if not THE biggest challenge to anyones abilities in recent football history.
The lack of foresight from his illustrious predecessors over many years has probably got more to do with our current plight than people care to see. Simply because it's easier to blame the 'clown' than anyone else. There is no smoke without fire though and therein lies part of the story.
Behind the scenes, he has worked tirelessly to haul our club back to where we once were. Both in terms of financial muscle and administrative excellence.
His ability to do this has been questioned many times within the club and some of the methods employed have actually left us further behind and not even close to be drawing level with our competitors.
Part of the blame for this has been the remnants of Liverpools administrative past. How things had to be done 'The Liverpool Way', while still dragging the club into the modern day. Liverpool as a footballing business model would be the team equivalent of the 2nd Division when Parry arrived while our main competitors were swanning around The Champions League, such was the ground we had to make up.

The problem with Parry is that his role and responsibilities have changed dramatically at the same time as we tried and failed to play catch up. So no sooner did we look as though we were getting there,then he was loaded with further responsibilities. This created difficulties, compounded by the changes in the managerial structure of the club and the rapid responses needed in the modern game. He was in effect doing 3 jobs.
One he was qualified for as an accountant. One he had experience of, effectively, as a senior administrator with the Premier League  and one he was never going to manage effectively alongside the other two. That was as C.E.O of Liverpool F.C.

How a club like Liverpool F.C could be the only one who didn't employ a marketting executive until Ayres was appointed is testament to the reliance of keeping things done a certain way so as not to rock the boat. They didn't learn by past mistakes. See the farcical 'joint manager' roles of Evans & Houllier as further evidence of that type of reasoning.

The job was too big for Parry but nobody within the club was prepared to change the situation. Instead more responsibility and therefore more power was given to Parry.

Once Benitez arrived at the club, things started to change almost immediately.
Benitez realised that from a footballing aspect the club was not geared up to the needs of the modern game and certainly not to the needs of Liverpool F.C. Some of the things Benitez was informed were in place when he was offered the managers position were clouded in half truths. Many of those things were paramount to Benitez in his decision to come to the club. They represented many of the things he saw as being vital for the club's long and short term future.

Benitez came to the club believing there was a platform for him to put his ideas in place and take the club to where they told him they wanted to be. The reality of what he found was so far removed from the initial promises. Initially this was put down to clashes of personality, which in some cases it was. However Benitez found himself running down blind alleys at almost every turn.He was continually meeting Parry down there. The main stumbling blocks being cash, the buying and selling of players and the youth structure. All things that a footballing man needed to run smoothly and effectively. Benitez was renowned for being one of the widely respected youth coaches during his time in Spain and this was a major part of his CV. Yet he was told to keep his nose out at Liverpool. The fragmentation of the senior and junior set ups at the club was beyond his comprehension. As was the fact that he, as manager was being prevented from having any effective input in to it's running or effectiveness.
Benitez decided to restructure those areas he was 'allowed' to and that started some major problems.
He effectively bypassed the youth system and brought his own players in, to train with the senior squad. Once Steve Heighway left,many of the successful youth team were promoted to the reserves and therefore came under his overall control.

He still didn't have any real input into the youth set up which was being overseen and run by Rick Parry. Parry's reluctance to sanction or back the overhaul of the youth system has been a major problem for Benitez. A none footballing man effectively preventing a football man from doing what he was brought in to do in the first place.
It is well known within the club that Benitez wants to develop our own players. He is extremely passionate about it, yet feels this won't happen quickly enough under the present structure.Even though that long term the club will benefit both financially and in terms of having a local heart to the club. Something that he spoke of only today.

On top of all of this is the farcical situation regarding protracted transfers we are all aware of. This all came to a head, just before the Gerrard fiasco made the headlines. Parry's reticence to get the Gerrard's contract sorted out was seen within the club and by Rafa in particular as an indication of how much power Parry thought he had. This was a further indication of his lack of footballing mentality. He was actually prompted to get this sorted from within the club but still dragged his heels.This caused major problems internally and is the catalyst for many of today's difficulties. The almost catastrophic outcome was seen as a watershed. It wasn't!

On top of that Benitez had the unfortunate misfortune of having to go through Parry for every transfer.
I'm not going into who they were, but certain players at home and abroad had approached Liverpool F.C and had agreed to come after speaking with Benitez only for the deal to fall through after Parry became involved. Some were high profile, some were not. The biggest deals having been well documented. Some equally as big which have not been.were already agreed with players without massive wage demands or contract terms only to fall away yet again. This caused severe professional embarrassment for Benitez and restricted the progress of the team.

Once the takeover came about and the club was restructured once again, Benitez was once again made promises regarding transfers.Certain operating procedures were put into place by Hicks  & Gillette to try and smooth things along. Without going into too much detail about what they were here, they failed when the H & G relationship started to wobble. The operating procedures fell by the wayside, which Benitez wasn't happy about as they appeared to be working. Once H & G lost the day to day 'hands on ' contact with club matters,apart from Ayres 'input', things reverted to type and Parry just went about things The Parry Way.

As I said initially, Parry works tirelessly for the club. However he is not the man for the job. Certainly not working with Benitez, or any other forward thinking manager, who knows the buck stops with him under the current structure.
As the public face of Liverpool Football Club, you couldn't meet a more insipid, grey, uninspiring man. He is the archetypal accountant, who's lack of personality and charisma is exactly what you would imagine it to be by his public image.

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I remember Hicks wanted to kick Rick out previously, but failed to.

Our Board is really in a mess doh.gif
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 17 2009, 01:14 AM)
Easy. This Rafa's decision is going to make the fans at his back for Everton match. I predict a massive outcome from it.

Don't take things too complicated. Even though how worst the situation are, we definitely get through it.

You never know what happen next as like you never dream that Rafa could spoke in the conference with a note in his hands, publicly? He is not entirely lost his mind, i can assure you, especially in this very moment.

Wait and see. I never had a good feeling like this before. I can taste it now.
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I certainly hope you're right.

Rafa the Mad hopefully transforms into Rafa the Mad Genius!!! thumbup.gif
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ok. but remember to bring us back the premier league title. if not we will sack you. how? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Added on January 17, 2009, 1:58 pmRafa:“The owners feel that the manager’s decisions need to be subject to the chief executive,” said Benitez. “But I know that I am subject to results and to our fans. They are the best judges I’ll ever have.”



yea RB! stick it to the man!


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I OBJECT!!! ACCOUTANTS ARE NOT INSIPID, GREY, UNINSPIRING NOR DO ACCOUNTANTS LACK CHARISMA AND PERSONALITY! WHAT UTTER RUBBISH laugh.gif
ACCOUNTANTS ARE RED nod.gif

Anyways, some good news perhaps?
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8...4801597,00.html

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jan 17 2009, 02:04 PM)
I OBJECT!!! ACCOUTANTS ARE NOT INSIPID, GREY, UNINSPIRING NOR DO ACCOUNTANTS LACK CHARISMA AND PERSONALITY! WHAT UTTER RUBBISH laugh.gif
ACCOUNTANTS ARE RED nod.gif

Anyways, some good news perhaps?
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8...4801597,00.html
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lol.. old news, slowpoke.. but yea, i hope its true.. really dont wat him to leave


Added on January 17, 2009, 2:53 pmRooney Relative Arrested Over Steven Gerrard Brawl

Wayne Rooney's wife Colleen McLoughlin today confirmed that her brother had been arrested in connection with the same assault in a Southport nightclub that had seen Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard end up briefly behind bars.

The England midfielder will face charges of assault and affray at court in Liverpool later this month, and yesterday another man, reported as being aged 19 and from the Huyton area of Liverpool, was taken into custody in connection with the incident.

Today a spokesman confirmed on behalf of Coleen, the wife of Gerrard's England team-mate, Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney, that Antony McLoughlin had been arrested.

"All we can say is to confirm he was arrested and confirm he was released without charge," a statement read.

"There will be no other comment from Coleen, Wayne or Coleen's family."

Merseyside police stated that McLoughlin had been released pending further enquiries. His father, Mr Tony McLoughlin, 49, told the Daily Mirror his son had "not done anything."

Part-time DJ Marcus McGee allegedly lost a tooth and suffered a cut face as a result of the brawl, which took place as Gerrard and his friends were celebrating Liverpool's 5-1 thrashing of Newcastle United over Christmas.

Gerrard will appear in North Sefton Magistrates' Court on January 23, along with two other men, to face charges of assault and affray, and could face a jail term if convicted.




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It's understandable as Rafa wants to have not half but full control on the transfer policy. Personally i think he got fed up in Barry's saga but wasn't it a blessing in disguise where Alonso didn't happened to leave.


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QUOTE(harvster @ Jan 17 2009, 02:13 PM)
lol.. old news, slowpoke.. but yea, i hope its true.. really dont wat him to leave


Added on January 17, 2009, 2:53 pmRooney Relative Arrested Over Steven Gerrard Brawl

Wayne Rooney's wife Colleen McLoughlin today confirmed that her brother had been arrested in connection with the same assault in a Southport nightclub that had seen Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard end up briefly behind bars.

The England midfielder will face charges of assault and affray at court in Liverpool later this month, and yesterday another man, reported as being aged 19 and from the Huyton area of Liverpool, was taken into custody in connection with the incident.

Today a spokesman confirmed on behalf of Coleen, the wife of Gerrard's England team-mate, Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney, that Antony McLoughlin had been arrested.

"All we can say is to confirm he was arrested and confirm he was released without charge," a statement read.

"There will be no other comment from Coleen, Wayne or Coleen's family."

Merseyside police stated that McLoughlin had been released pending further enquiries. His father, Mr Tony McLoughlin, 49, told the Daily Mirror his son had "not done anything."

Part-time DJ Marcus McGee allegedly lost a tooth and suffered a cut face as a result of the brawl, which took place as Gerrard and his friends were celebrating Liverpool's 5-1 thrashing of Newcastle United over Christmas.

Gerrard will appear in North Sefton Magistrates' Court on January 23, along with two other men, to face charges of assault and affray, and could face a jail term if convicted.




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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 17 2009, 03:56 PM)
Just curious... Did rooney pay him to let gerrard get into hot water?  unsure.gif
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It's understandable as Rafa wants to have not half but full control on the transfer policy. Personally i think he got fed up in Barry's saga but wasn't it a blessing in disguise where Alonso didn't happened to leave.
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they were family.. i dont think any payment was necessary.. tongue.gif


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ye, good point.. i dont want barry if it means alonso leaving..
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Wilson Palacios for 14 million??? shocking.gif
The lad is a bit of alright indeed, but to be worth almost two of Agger? Either Tottenham are muppets or someone in our club isn't doing their job properly hmm.gif
I do understand that Agger's contract is almost up, but isn't 7.5 million a bit on the low side?
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Wilson Palacios for 14 million???  shocking.gif
The lad is a bit of alright indeed, but to be worth almost two of Agger? Either Tottenham are muppets or someone in our club isn't doing their job properly hmm.gif
I do understand that Agger's contract is almost up, but isn't 7.5 million a bit on the low side?
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7.5m pounds. 9m euros. it's different.
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7.5m pounds. 9m euros. it's different.
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Is it? because last time I read it says Euro. Maybe my mistake. Pardon.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 17 2009, 03:21 PM)
It's understandable as Rafa wants to have not half but full control on the transfer policy. Personally i think he got fed up in Barry's saga but wasn't it a blessing in disguise where Alonso didn't happened to leave.
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The Barry saga was the most public documented deal that saw Rafa failing to get his player. I agree that it turned out to be somewhat a good 'miss' but what about all the other misses ? i.e. Alves, Vidic, Simao, etc. I think the intention of signing Barry suggested that Rafa intended to change the way we play football, a system where it would include both Barry and Keane, probably other undocumented target(s). So when we landed Keane but failed to land Barry, it meant Rafa only gotten one half of the 'parts' that he felt required to implement his changes. Maybe thats why we are seeing Keane not being played more frequently, as its not the system he was brought in to play. I dont know how desperate Rafa wanted to sell Alonso, but the pursuit of Barry suggested that Rafa wanted a more durable, injury resilient mid who can contribute to Liverpool's effort in challenging for the title. Alonso is by far the most impressive player we have this season, but he does have the the misfortune of getting injured quite frequently. And every time he does gets injured or not in form, the team consequently struggled and points are lost. Rafa felt we became to reliant on Alonso, so he decided to make changes. So yes its madness to even think of selling off Alonso, but can we really blame the manager for merely trying making adjustments in improving and strengthening the team ?
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The Barry saga was the most public documented deal that saw Rafa failing to get his player. I agree that it turned out to be somewhat a good 'miss' but what about all the other misses ? i.e. Alves, Vidic, Simao, etc. I think the intention of signing Barry suggested that Rafa intended to change the way we play football, a system where it would include both Barry and Keane, probably other undocumented target(s). So when we landed Keane but failed to land Barry, it meant Rafa only gotten one half of the 'parts' that he felt required to implement his changes. Maybe thats why we are seeing Keane not being played more frequently, as its not the system he was brought in to play. I dont know how desperate Rafa wanted to sell Alonso, but the pursuit of Barry suggested that Rafa wanted a more durable, injury resilient mid who can contribute to Liverpool's effort in challenging for the title. Alonso is by far the most impressive player we have this season, but he does have the the misfortune of getting injured quite frequently. And every time he does gets injured or not in form, the team consequently struggled and points are lost. Rafa felt we became to reliant on Alonso, so he decided to make changes. So yes its madness to even think of selling off Alonso, but can we really blame the manager for merely trying making adjustments in improving and strengthening the team ?
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Is it? because last time I read it says Euro. Maybe my mistake. Pardon.
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Everytime we are to challenge for the league, we get negative news outbreak, whether it's stevie, rafa, agger or the owners. This season is definitely the most active based on negative news. Why, why and why. I mean isn't there a better time for Rafa to not say these kind of things, or he is just making up excuses if we fail to land the title. It's the same old kind of feeling all over again.
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ever since Gilette & Hicks took over the reign and David Moores stepped down, the saga never ends. funny though these issue is not as serious what Moores family was in the reign of the club for almost half century - the passion that drives from a true local Kop Lad!

btw, I forgot to raise the question from the Anfield Tour last April on how do players travel during Merseyside Derby - do they wallk accross Stanley Park? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Jan 17 2009, 08:42 PM)
No I remember well it's stated 9 million euros in an article one two pages back
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yeah i hope rafa and agger will sign new contract extension ASAP

OT: huhuhu PAS won in KT with 2631 majority rclxm9.gif

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yeah i hope rafa and agger will sign new contract extension ASAP

OT: huhuhu PAS won in KT with 2631 majority  rclxm9.gif
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OT: Im rooting for Bolton later!!! come on ya Trotters!!!!
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We have finished the conversations about the contract for now and we can talk about Everton.

Is your argument with the owners?
I will talk about Everton - I don't have any problem with the owners.

Is this resolvable though, Rafa?
The game against Everton? For sure.

But Liverpool fans are concerned...
I will talk just about Everton.


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Can I just ask you about the transfer news regarding Jermaine Pennant and Daniel Agger?

Pennant - we have agreed with Portsmouth. We are waiting for news but I think it will be okay. I think he'll say yes and everything will be sorted.
i hope pennant goes to portsmouth, cos they have some nice games coming up which could help sway the table again tongue.gif


Added on January 17, 2009, 11:32 pmbtw, has anyone been to al-ikhsan recently?
i just dropped by the subang parade branch, and was looking at the current home jersey cos a friend was interested.

i swear if i saw the same jersey outside, i would've said it was a fake.
the quality of the badge stitching is nowhere as good as it should be.
and i went thru the whole 6-7 of them they had on the rack, all about the same lower quality.

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rafa sure knows how to handle the press tongue.gif
i hope pennant goes to portsmouth, cos they have some nice games coming up which could help sway the table again tongue.gif


Added on January 17, 2009, 11:32 pmbtw, has anyone been to al-ikhsan recently?
i just dropped by the subang parade branch, and was looking at the current home jersey cos a friend was interested.

i swear if i saw the same jersey outside, i would've said it was a fake.
the quality of the badge stitching is nowhere as good as it should be.
and i went thru the whole 6-7 of them they had on the rack, all about the same lower quality.
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Added on January 18, 2009, 12:27 amTORRES: I WANT US TO BE HEROES

Fernando Torres is happy to admit he arrived at Liverpool dreaming of Champions League glory - but he now has his sights firmly set on helping the Reds end their long wait for the Premier League title.
Torres - who is likely to start against Everton on Monday night after recovering from a hamstring strain - is keen to fire the Reds to top spot in May to ensure Rafael Benitez's squad of 2008-09 are forever written into the club's history.

After arriving in the summer of 2007 Torres reveals his dream was winning a European medal - but the fans soon impressed upon him what the main target was.

"No, no, the Premier League, we must win the Premier League," he recalled. "So now I feel that way, too. I know about this club. I know how important it is to win the Premier League after 19 years. I know that if Manchester United win the League this season it will be 18 titles for us and 18 for them, so we cannot let that happen.

"I know that even though Chelsea and Arsenal are top teams, our biggest match of any season is with Manchester United. I know how important it is to win against Everton, too.

"I imagine to win the League here would be like winning the European Championship with Spain after 44 years. We became heroes of the country, just 23 people.

"There were 15 kilometres from the airport to the heart of Madrid and it was like a red sea, millions of people in the city centre all with Spanish flags, people stopping dead on the opposite side of the motorway to cheer us as we went by, getting out of their cars, standing on their cars.

"It was strange. After the first game when we beat Russia 4-1, I did think it could be like every other tournament for us, when we start by playing well, but then nothing happens.

"Then when we won our other group games we began to believe in ourselves and the turning point was against Italy in the quarter-finals. Throughout history, Italy beat Spain. We have the game, we have the players, but we always lose.

"And then, when we beat Italy, and on penalties, I think we celebrated more than we did when we won the Final, because we knew. That was the key.

"It is the same with Liverpool. Winning at Chelsea, winning against Manchester United, these are the results that give us belief &mdash; then, if we get a result at Old Trafford in March, it will be our Italy game."


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PAPER TALK

Rafa Benitez could quit Liverpool at the end of the season if his contract demands are not met.

Jermaine Pennant last night snubbed a £3million move to Portsmouth.

Former Liverpool Steve Finnan's move to Hull from Espanyol is in doubt.

Rafa Benitez could quit for Manchester City this summer after halting ALL contract talks with Liverpool.

Rafa Benitez will walk away from Liverpool at the end of the season unless he is given total control over transfers.

Jermaine Pennant has rejected a move to Portsmouth because he wants to run down his Liverpool contract and make a lucrative free transfer in the summer.

Jermaine Pennant has urged Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez not to sell him to Portsmouth.

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Updated score: Chelsea losing and United drawing.

So it's not bad to draw against 'big club killer' Stoke, isn't it? Stoke already killed Arsenal and now Chelsea in the making. But it's still bitter at the end.

Hope United won't catch us..
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 18 2009, 12:42 AM)
Updated score: Chelsea losing and United drawing.

So it's not bad to draw against 'big club killer' Stoke, isn't it? Stoke already killed Arsenal and now Chelsea in the making. But it's still bitter at the end.

Hope United won't catch us..
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see, so now a win against everton would make that game in hand useless for now.

walk on with hope in ur heart... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 18 2009, 12:47 AM)
see, so now a win against everton would make that game in hand useless for now.

walk on with hope in ur heart... tongue.gif
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see, so now a win against everton would make that game in hand useless for now.

walk on with hope in ur heart... tongue.gif
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Jasskelainen is getting old,he's not how he use to be anymore,the ball is so close to his body and he cant do anything abt it...
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wtf with bolton defense =_+ !! stupid MISTAKE!!!!
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Told u all already... Say it after 90minutes...Is a jinx tongue.gif

Anyway, chelsea drew too
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Jasskelainen is getting old,he's not how he use to be anymore,the ball is so close to his body and he cant do anything abt it...
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Its really painful to see teams struggling to draw or even register a win over Man yew...
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Its really painful to see teams struggling to draw or even register a win over Man yew...
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Hopefully it'll be soon enough...
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Yeah it's not over yet..and it's now 1-1...
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 18 2009, 12:42 AM)
Updated score: Chelsea losing and United drawing.

So it's not bad to draw against 'big club killer' Stoke, isn't it? Stoke already killed Arsenal and now Chelsea in the making. But it's still bitter at the end.

Hope United won't catch us..
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So are we totally out of title race now?

Get me the odds. Aston Villa probably way ahead us.
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Chelsea also won... doh.gif Wat a night!

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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 18 2009, 12:56 AM)
So are we totally out of title race now?

Get me the odds. Aston Villa probably way ahead us.
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Its almost February, and we're still in it near the top of the table. (although personally, i curse all those points dropped by us when the rest were few points behind us).

But now, its time for boys just need to be professional and beat everton convincingly. If we cant, then we are not championship material.



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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 18 2009, 12:56 AM)
So are we totally out of title race now?

Get me the odds. Aston Villa probably way ahead us.
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GulaV jinxed us!!!!!!!!!! lol.. jk
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out of sudden everyone is scoring last minute goals, is there a competition for it now? whistling.gif

*back to my grey's anatomy*

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damn damn!!!
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QUOTE(loquenemy @ Jan 18 2009, 12:59 AM)
damn damn!!!
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3 vital goals in the last minute for 2 of the top 4 team...

Bookie behind it? brows.gif

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so we need to win everton match...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2009, 01:01 AM)
3 vital goals in the last minute for 2 of the top 4 team...

Bookie behind it? brows.gif
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Last minutes goals or whatever, a win is a win. Now United on top and hopefully the day after tomorrow will make us on top again and never fall again. Poor defending by both Bolton and Stoke. They can defend well but got exhausted in the end. Constant pressure cost them..

Sh*t, makes me wanna watch pron right now..
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I am totally speechless now watching all the last minute and extra time goals.
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Imitating someone

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Bookie normally get poor sides to defeat those strong.

If bookie did, then he must be a glory hunter.
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the way MU play is like a champion...they really wanted to win...all out attacking...what surprised me is that they could not score early...and only 1-0....

we need to keep scoring goals....increase the margin....

wanna ask you guys....have we lost at home? to who? i forgot....i saw soccernet table...we lost 1 at home and away....

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QUOTE(jubilee_trader @ Jan 18 2009, 01:07 AM)
the way MU play is like a champion...they really wanted to win...all out attacking...what surprised me is that they could not score early...and only 1-0....

we need to keep scoring goals....increase the margin....

wanna ask you guys....have lost at home? to who? i forgot....i saw soccernet table...we lost 1 at home and away....
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Luckily i chose Jdorama than the match.

My brother sitting besides me was knocking his head on the table after the goal exclusive from his lappy.

What a joke.
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Kops only lost once , is 2 -1 against Spurs
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Jan 18 2009, 01:04 AM)
Last minutes goals or whatever, a win is a win. Now United on top and hopefully the day after tomorrow will make us on top again and never fall again. Poor defending by both Bolton and Stoke. They can defend well but got exhausted in the end. Constant pressure cost them..

Sh*t, makes me wanna watch pron right now..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2009, 01:08 AM)
Spurs.... wink.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2009, 01:08 AM)
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yea, damn stupid tactics from spurs.
if only gareth bale was playing, then we wouldnt have lost tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Jan 18 2009, 01:09 AM)
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2009, 01:05 AM)
Imitating someone

YOU BITTER


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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 18 2009, 01:09 AM)
Spurs? They are visiting us on the last fixture.
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I bet the month of May is the month of deciding who's the champion

man u fixture on May

02 May Middlsbro A 15:00
09 May Man City H 15:00
16 May Arsenal H 15:00
24 May Hull City A 16:00

Ours

Sat May 02 2009 Newcastle United
Sat May 09 2009 West Ham United
Sat May 16 2009 West Bromwich Albion
Sun May 24 2009 Tottenham Hotspur


Hmmm, ours is definitely look nicer on paper but before these 4 matches, we must keep close to them laugh.gif And oh, we will meet them at OT in march thumbup.gif

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No my spotlight would be the one against the champions.

That's the decider.
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No my spotlight would be the one against the champions.

That's the decider.
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whistling.gif make sure u dont dirty ur lappy! cool2.gif

anyway back to liverpool,! facing everton 2 times in a week! good good! cant wait baby! cant wait
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Jan 18 2009, 01:18 AM)
whistling.gif make sure u dont dirty ur lappy!  cool2.gif

anyway back to liverpool,! facing everton 2 times in a week! good good! cant wait baby! cant wait
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This Everton match will be tough. Added pressure from Chelsea and United. Concentration and professionalism is the key to win. Gerrard also, 23rd is coming shortly. With Agger rumour. Rafa's rehab and contract issues. All of these are obstacles.. What can we do are just hope and pray.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 18 2009, 12:50 AM)
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To be honest, I had already expected that Utd would win, and Chelsea too. We've had our share of late winners so similar character is to be expected from them since they are also gunning for the title.

I'm sure Utd fans will all be celebrating the win. It's now up to us to make sure we get the business done as well on Monday. Getting a result will mean everything is still in our hands, though of course we'll have a tougher time of it since we still have to go to Old Trafford. And no doubt Everton will be more than happy to inflict misery on us so the lads will all have to stand up and be counted!

Losing pole position could just be the thing to wake up the lads. We've been too comfy and perhaps some complacency had set in because we still managed to stay in front despite not getting optimum results. Let's hope we don't allow Utd to get too comfy on the hot seat nod.gif


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Jasskelainen is getting old,he's not how he use to be anymore,the ball is so close to his body and he cant do anything abt it...
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QUOTE(kcmy @ Jan 18 2009, 12:57 AM)
Chelsea also won... doh.gif Wat a night!
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I am off.

Great goal from Berbatov. Keane must be more eager to prove himself now.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2009, 01:13 AM)
I bet the month of May is the month of deciding who's the champion

man u fixture on May

02 May  Middlsbro A 15:00
09 May  Man City H 15:00
16 May  Arsenal H 15:00
24 May Hull City A 16:00

Ours

Sat May 02 2009 Newcastle United
Sat May 09 2009 West Ham United
Sat May 16 2009 West Bromwich Albion
Sun May 24 2009 Tottenham Hotspur
Hmmm, ours is definitely look nicer on paper but before these 4 matches, we must keep close to them  laugh.gif And oh, we will meet them at OT in march  thumbup.gif
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i would say its next month.

Manu have everton, west ham, fulham, blackburn, portsmouth, fa cup 5th round, CL.

we have chelsea, portsmouth, city, boro, fa cup 5th round, CL.

on paper looks easy, but manu are playing their other game in hand then, which means 7 games in a very short month.
then theres also the pointless friendly between spain vs england, so up to 8 games in that month for some of them.
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Jan 18 2009, 01:04 AM)
damm all the match today's a joke =_=
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I think your comment is unfair.

Utd and Chelsea pushed hard and in the end deserved their win. Although I do feel for Bolton and Stoke cos they didn't deserve to lose.
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I think your comment is unfair.

Utd and Chelsea pushed hard and in the end deserved their win. Although I do feel for Bolton and Stoke cos they didn't deserve to lose.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 18 2009, 01:39 AM)
wat good night? arsenal vs hull is just starting tongue.gif
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RAFA INTERVIEW

Journalist: Firstly Rafa, you've had another operation this week - how are you?

Benitez: Much better - getting better.

J: Will you be okay for Monday?

B: [Smiles] Yes, I think so. I will not play but I think I will be okay.

J: You revealed on Friday that you've rejected your new contract. What were the reasons?

B: I think I was very clear. I told the owners and then I explained why in the Echo. Now I can tell you that I already have an agreement with one club - Liverpool Football Club - for one and a half years. We have finished the conversations about the contract for now and we can talk about Everton.

J: Is your argument with the owners?

B: I will talk about Everton - I don't have any problem with the owners.

J: Is this resolvable though, Rafa?

B: The game against Everton? For sure.

J: But Liverpool fans are concerned...

B: I will talk just about Everton.

J: So has your build-up to Everton been affected by all this?

B: No, I don't think so. Yesterday we had a day off. We don't have any problems. I've talked with my staff and we're preparing for the game as always.

J: How much influence will Everton have on the title race, because they play yourselves, Manchester United and Arsenal over the next couple of weeks?

B: All the teams we play against are good. Everton are in form, they are playing well, winning games and not conceding goals. It will be important for us to play well and beat them. It will be difficult.

J: Do you feel you have an advantage, with the game being at Anfield?

B: Yes, always.

J: Why is that?

B: Our fans are the best in the world. They will be behind the team, supporting the team. Maybe if we don't play at our level they will be disappointed, but they know that the way to win titles is to stay behind the team.

J: Can I just ask you about the transfer news regarding Jermaine Pennant and Daniel Agger?

B: Pennant - we have agreed with Portsmouth. We are waiting for news but I think it will be okay. I think he'll say yes and everything will be sorted. Daniel Agger - I had a conversation with him two days ago. He wants to stay. He isn't thinking about money - he's thinking about staying. In our last conversation he told me he was waiting for our phone call. I can guarantee that his commitment to the club is 100 per cent and he still wants to stay.

J: So is the AC Milan deal off?

B: We were not talking with AC Milan. I talked with his agent before and they are waiting for us. The player is really happy with us. He knows we have a strong team and he wants to stay.

J: Moving on slightly - £100million for a player. How will that affect the top four?

B: It will be more difficult to sign players if the prices go too high but we're not thinking about signing any players right now so, for this month at least, it's okay.

J: Okay, finally from me, can you just assure Liverpool fans that you'll be here for a long time?

B: Clearly I will be here, as long as I don't have any problems in the hospital! I will be here against Everton and hopefully for a lot of years.

J: How much do you look forward to these games against Everton?

B: It's always something different when you play against Everton. The atmosphere in the stadium is always really good. The fans can enjoy - especially if we win. Hopefully we can do this and it will be a fantastic game. If we do win, normally that would give more confidence to the team.

J: Have you learned more about the derbies as you've spent more time in the city?

B: Yes, clearly - every single year. You get to understand the reason for the rivalry and why each team wants to win. Hopefully we can win.

J: Will you be watching the Man Utd game today to see the result?

B: I will know the result because you (journalists) will tell me!

J: But it won't affect you or the players?

B: No. It's important to understand when people talk about your position in the table that you don't win the title in August or January. You need to keep calm and know that if you want to win the title it will be in May. To have Chelsea, Arsenal, Aston Villa and United in the title race at this stage is normal.

J: When you walked in you had a big smile on your face and you were buoyant. Is this a big weekend for you - are you looking forward to it?

B: Yes, I have a lot of confidence in my team, I am really happy here and, touch wood, I don't have to go to the hospital again.


So Agger stay?? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
i think we can win everton.... or title... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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so we need to win everton match...
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so the lost should be draw...or socernet salah kira point?
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so the lost should be draw...or socernet salah kira point?
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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Jan 18 2009, 01:49 AM)
I bet if Arsenal win tonight we'll f**k up on Monday.
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ur eyes will probably be shut cos its a 4am match tongue.gif
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There is chances for me to fall asleep. But wouldn't stop me to get behind the team even on my bed.

If i can dream...
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Swedish midfielder Alexander Kacanaklic has signed his first professional contract with Liverpool Football Club.
Kacaniklic was brought into the Academy in the summer of 2007 from Helsingborg and has performed well for the under-18 team this term.

He also played for the Reds' youth side during their FA Youth Cup victory at Bristol Rovers in midweek.

His new contract runs until June 2010.


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Rafa focused on title not contract

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Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez is more concerned with concentrating on the club's title challenge than discussing his contract issue, following his rejection of a new deal on Friday.

The Spaniard turned down the offer of a new agreement with the Premier League club due to a disagreement with owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett over the control of transfers and youth policy.

The development has left Benitez’s reign at Anfield in question with the 48-year-old non-committal over whether he will extend his current deal, which still has 18 months remaining.

Hicks assured Liverpool fans shortly after the revelation on Friday that Benitez would be the coach of the Premier League leaders “for the next five years”, and he and Gillett are working hard to find a way around the impasse that has put the brakes on a renewed bond.

Asked on Saturday morning whether he would put pen to paper on a new deal any time soon, Benitez was less forthcoming with his response than his employer.

"I can say that I already have an agreement with one club and it is with Liverpool Football Club for one-and-a-half years," he said.

"I was in contact with the owners with what was my idea and I explained why. I don't have any problems with the owners."

Benitez is hopeful an amicable conclusion whereby he can commit himself to the club can be reached, he is just uncertain with regards to the timing of the negotiations.

"Hopefully. But the first time they told me they wanted to talk about an extension I told them I wanted to do it in one week,” he said.

"To do it for two months was not my idea and I don't want to do this so now I will finish and we will concentrate on football."

Benitez wants control over transfers – which currently resides with chief executive Rick Parry – and this is believed to be the main stumbling point over negotiations of a new deal for him.

Hicks expects to meet with the former Valencia coach at the end of the month to iron out the problems that have created this issue, but Benitez has refused to state whether contract negotiations are still ongoing.


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btw, I forgot to raise the question from the Anfield Tour last April on how do players travel during Merseyside Derby - do they wallk accross Stanley Park?  tongue.gif

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Paper Talk

Rafael Benitez has vowed not to walk away from Anfield - if Liverpool's owners back down on his contract demands.

Liverpool defender Jack Hobbs looks like staying at Leicester.

Sami Hyypia has been earmarked for a Liverpool player-coach role.

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has declared: "I will not walk out." Benitez expects Jermaine Pennant to join Portsmouth but says Daniel Agger is staying.

Former Reds Robbie Fowler is set for talks with Queenslan

Rafa Benitez reckons Daniel Agger is ready to turn his back on a move to Milan

Liverpool are eyeing up a move for Sevilla left-back Fernando Navarro.


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HUNT: WHY TORRES CAN LAND NUMBER 19

Roger Hunt believes the return of Fernando Torres can help fire Liverpool to their first title since 1990.
The club's all-time leading scorer in the league is convinced the Spaniard will give Rafael Benitez's side the edge in the second-half of the season and is tipping his former team to end the campaign with championship number 19.

"They can reclaim top spot if they beat Everton and this is the best chance they have had in a long time. I think they can win it and I think they will win it," Hunt said in an exclusive interview with Liverpoolfc.tv.

"When Liverpool drop points the other teams don't seem to take advantage and with Torres now coming back to fitness, I expect them to go from strength to strength.

"Fernando has had a stop-start season so far, but if he stays fit and gets his form back, then it can only benefit us because he has that extra bit of pace and ability to get a goal out of nothing. With him playing regularly up top, I think we'll have a great chance."

Since his arrival from Atletico Madrid last summer, El Nino has developed a lethal partnership with skipper Steven Gerrard.

It is an understanding Hunt feels could be crucial again this season, and he is also backing Robbie Keane to show his best form in the title run-in.

"Torres has a very good understanding with Gerrard and I think that can be key," he said. "But it's not just Gerrard who can form a partnership with him. I thought when we first signed Keane that he would develop a good link with Torres because he is such a clever player.

"Some say it hasn't quite come off yet, but I think Keane has shown glimpses of what he is capable of. He's scored some goals recently against the likes of Arsenal and Bolton and I think he can still have a big say in the latter stages of the season."

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Paper Talk

Rafael Benitez has vowed not to walk away from Anfield - if Liverpool's owners back down on his contract demands.

Liverpool defender Jack Hobbs looks like staying at Leicester.

Sami Hyypia has been earmarked for a Liverpool player-coach role.

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has declared: "I will not walk out." Benitez expects Jermaine Pennant to join Portsmouth but says Daniel Agger is staying.

Former Reds Robbie Fowler is set for talks with Queenslan

Rafa Benitez reckons Daniel Agger is ready to turn his back on a move to Milan

Liverpool are eyeing up a move for Sevilla left-back Fernando Navarro.
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I think Hypia staying in this season is the right thing to do. Isnt his testimony of a decades service to the club due this May ?
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If I m not mistaken, yes... Having him for the player-coach role reminds me of Gary Speed's role in Bolton...Probably the same idea of Sammy again?
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Yeah, i guess that depends on whether Hypia wants to continue playing at another club. I dont think Rafa will renew his contract but i do believe a coaching job is there for him to take. A once captain of the team, knows what we're about and is a true professional. Together with Pallegrino, their experience and contribution to football would definitely add more quality to the backroom personnel.
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Yeah, i guess that depends on whether Hypia wants to continue playing at another club. I dont think Rafa will renew his contract but i do believe a coaching job is there for him to take. A once captain of the team, knows what we're about and is a true professional. Together with Pallegrino, their experience and contribution to football would definitely add more quality to the backroom personnel.
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Yeah, i guess that depends on whether Hypia wants to continue playing at another club. I dont think Rafa will renew his contract but i do believe a coaching job is there for him to take. A once captain of the team, knows what we're about and is a true professional. Together with Pallegrino, their experience and contribution to football would definitely add more quality to the backroom personnel.
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Argh... Another 2 and a half hour to go... Must resist sleep...
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Cool. You can kill me when it comes to Solar System. No idea at all.

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Cool. You can kill me when it comes to Solar System. No idea at all.

Anyway who cares if you are not from Venus? LOL
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Not working ka? Hope to see u around for tonite match which I assume u will support the team in dream like u mentioned earlier...wakakak tongue.gif
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LOL.

Not working ka? Hope to see u around for tonite match which I assume u will support the team in dream like u mentioned earlier...wakakak  tongue.gif
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lol liverpool was playing really well not until recently, drawing against some weaker teams tongue.gif
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how nice that u guys who stay around pj/kl able to come out I'm the midnite to watch...
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Jan 19 2009, 02:05 PM)
how nice that u guys who stay around pj/kl able to come out I'm the midnite to watch...
I only able to watch it at home cause pd is a dead town after 12=____=
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I am from Saturn then, no way Solstice is female!!!!
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Apa itu pd?  rclxub.gif
Erm Port Dickson?
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pd mean port dickson kah??the only thing i can guess...then u mah can watch with a bunch of seafood lo??.. tongue.gif tongue.gif

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gathering at home, haha. Very tired to go out at 4am in the morning. Watch it at home.
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Apa itu pd?  rclxub.gif


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Are you hatekiasuppl / hatekiasuppl's sister/bro

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or classic one...

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yep pd= port dickson
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What? What happen to everyone?
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Dunno...Preparing for the worse I guess...Anyway, I m more concern about whether Agger is playing or not tonite.If he din then we noe whats gonna happen cry.gif
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Stevie G will get red carded for punching poor Phil Neville....
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Okay i quit. Gimme some space.
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Prepare yourselves. This match will be Stevie G last game.... ??!!
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haiya!!!!

i just checked the thread i started last week on memorable football quotes ..thought it was a nice discussion...tiba tiba sudah kena lock!!!! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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fellaini is suspended and arteta is sucking popsoul's tits smile.gif

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yes the guy with the *whatever hair u name it* is suspended, saw Moyes jumping up and down when he got booked.

gonna miss this game, my final is tmr.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jan 19 2009, 06:53 PM)
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worry for wat?
fellaini is suspended and arteta is sucking popsoul's tits smile.gif

and lol, bellamy going to city for 14 friggin million!
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XABI'S DERBY MISSION


Xabi Alonso will put his friendship with Everton's Mikel Arteta on hold as the pair prepare to meet in tonight's Merseyside derby.
Both players have enjoyed a long standing friendship having started their careers at Basque Club Real Sociedad.

Alonso has declared himself fit to line up against the Blues having missed last weekend's goalless draw at Stoke City through injury, and can't wait to play against his friend from across Stanley Park.

"For me to play against Mikel Arteta is special," he said.

"We were in the same Spanish club and we were always friends, but this Monday we are rivals. My mission is to make him feel uncomfortable on the pitch.

"Everton always play to their maximum against us. That is the real danger for Monday but we are optimistic.

"The derby always increases the work rate of any player. The games are always full of emotion and with an enormous atmosphere, it is an incredible match.

"We are favourites but in this match anything can happen. It is key to dominate the ball from the first moment and impose our rhythm at Anfield."

Liverpool know that victory will see them return to the top of the Barclays Premier League having been knocked off by Manchester United at the weekend.

But the Reds' Spanish midfielder is keen to focus on what the Reds can achieve rather than worry about their rivals.

"The squad only think about our club. We are not preoccupied by Manchester United," Alonso added.

"For us it is not an extra pressure to play in the derby after we know that United won. We must avoid the distractions of other clubs."

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CARRA ON TONIGHT'S CRUCIAL DERBY


Jamie Carragher believes tonight's clash with in-form Everton is one of the most important Merseyside derbies in recent memory.
The Reds defender has featured in a number of top four encounters with David Moyes' side, and while Liverpool's sights are set a little higher this season, he insists the 209th derby could prove just as crucial in shaping both sides' destiny.

"It's just as important as ever," he said.

"We had one last season which was probably important for different reasons with us and Everton both going for the top four.

"We managed to win that 1-0 and I think this time Everton have still got that objective, whereas we're maybe looking to push on a little bit more than that.

"They didn't make the best of starts to this season but they've come through really strongly since then and they're probably the form team in the league at the moment.

"As I say, we're looking for bigger and better things than the top four this season and hopefully we can win our place back at the top of the league."

Everton have enjoyed an upturn in form since the Reds cruised to a 2-0 success at Goodison Park back in September.

Carragher admits he has been impressed by the Toffees' rise under David Moyes and feels they are the side most likely, if anyone, to gatecrash the top four.

"It's no surprise because Everton have been on the up over the last three or four seasons under David Moyes," he said.

"They are always the type of team that whenever you play them you always know that you are going to be in a game.

"I think, without being disrespectful to them in any way, they are probably a team that has punched above its weight as much as anyone in the league over the last four or five years.

"A lot of teams spend a bit more money than them but they are always there challenging the top four teams.

"A few teams have said they would and spent a few quid but I think Everton have been the team most likely to put a dent in that top four."

Liverpool can reclaim top spot in the league if they take three points against their neighbours and Carragher believes they must control the threat of Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta if they to achieve their objective.

He said: "Cahill is probably the biggest threat because he's got a great record in Merseyside derbies for scoring goals.

"I think he's been playing up front lately so I'm not sure if he'll play there this time or if Anichebe will come into the side.

"But wherever he plays he is always going to be a danger because he is as good as anyone in the league for arriving late in the box and getting goals.

"So we'll have to keep an eye on him and obviously Arteta is a big threat from set pieces."

The Reds have been boosted by the return of Fernando Torres, Martin Skrtel, Fabio Aurelio, Xabi Alonso and Alvaro Arbeloa – all of whom have been absent for one reason or another of late - and the Bootle-born centre back believes it bodes well for the remainder of the season.

"We have got people coming back now which is obviously good," he said.

"We've had a few injuries over the last few weeks. The Christmas period is always busy and you always seem to pick up a few knocks, but now we're heading towards the home straight and you want everyone coming back firing.

"Torres is back, Arbeloa is training again, Aurelio and Skrtel have just played, Alonso missed the Stoke game but is ready to return, so it looks like we've got a lot of players coming back which is obviously a good thing at this stage of the season.

"Even though we drew at Stoke our away form has been superb. If anything, it's at home where we've had a couple of results that we would have liked to have been better.

"But there's no better way to respond than by getting a good result in the Merseyside derby.

"I do look forward to them. I love derby games even though they are a little bit stressful. We've got a good record in derbies so that should give us confidence.

"They are always on a knife edge and can go one way or another and the repercussions if it goes the wrong way don't bear thinking about, but they are great games to play in."
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Jan 20 2009, 12:24 AM)
If he got tons of prawns, maybe around 2 hours...and then fantasize for another 2 hours...
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me wanna cs while waiting.. any1 wanna join?
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Ok2..I'll stop now.. Changed to some jdorama.. and it's still 3 hours to go.. aisehh..

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READ RAFA AND STEVIE'S PRE-DERBY NOTES

Welcome to Anfield for what is the first of two Merseyside derbies inside seven days. This is an exciting time for the fans and also good for the city.

Let's hope it is our supporters who are the happiest this time next week.

We didn't play well at the Britannia Stadium in our last game, but credit to Stoke for working so hard and making it difficult for us.

We had a few opportunities to win the game towards the end, but Stoke also had one or two chances to score.

Both teams will say they could have won and therefore a draw was probably a fair result. If you cannot win, it is important not to lose.

Of course, we are disappointed that we didn't extend our lead at the top of the table but, as I say, a lot of credit must go to Stoke for that.

The Britannia Stadium is not an easy place to visit. Arsenal and Aston Villa have both lost there this season, plus it took a late goal against 10 men for Manchester United to win there.

Eighteen of Stoke's 21 points have been gained at the Britannia Stadium. We wanted to win but, taking all of this into account, a draw is not a disaster.

The Premier League is more competitive this season. Anyone can beat anyone. You can't go into any one game saying that you will win easily. That is simply not the case in this league.

But I can assure you that all of the players are fully focussed on trying to ensure we remain contenders at the top of the table for as long as possible.

We are in a very good position but we also know there is still a long way to go until the title is decided. As I often say, it's important to think just about one game at a time, keep our feet on the ground and keep working hard for the next three points.

As I write these notes, we know that Manchester United may have moved a point ahead of us at the top of the table.

That is not a concern at this stage of the season. The main thing is that we are challenging up and around the top positions.

If you had asked every Liverpool fan at the start of the season, did they want us to be in this position at this stage of the campaign, everyone would have said yes.

We knew it was going to be tough, but we have managed to maintain a good position and we want to stay there.

Winning tonight's derby will help us rediscover the momentum in the league that we gained in our wins over Bolton and Newcastle.

I've heard it said that because we've won the last three derbies and have home advantage tonight, that Liverpool are favourites.

I don't agree.

The derby is different to any other game and I don't believe there are ever favourites regardless of form or league position.

Everton have improved since our 2-0 win at Goodison Park in September. They are on a good run, with five wins from their last six games without conceding a goal.

The fact that they are playing so well in defence means we will have to be good in attack if we are to break them down.

But we know that when we play well we can beat anyone. That was the case at Goodison this season. We played well there and that was key to us winning.

We will have to be at our best to win again tonight.

Rafa Benitez




This is the first of a massive double header with Everton, but we're not looking any further ahead than these three points in the Premier League.

Merseyside derbies are always hugely important games.

When you haven't got the result you want from the match before the derby, like at Stoke last weekend, then it becomes more vital that you do yourself justice in this game.

We've had a few too many draws recently. In those games with the likes of Fulham and West Ham we should have won comfortably but didn't make the most of our chances.

You can say that we've dropped two points in these matches, and that's bitterly disappointing – especially at Anfield.

It was different for us against Stoke, however. They played well in front of their own fans at the Britannia Stadium and put us under a hell of a lot of pressure. That was probably a game where we could have got nothing, so maybe that was a point gained rather than two dropped.

We didn't play particularly well, and apart from the last 20 minutes or so we didn't create a lot going forward, but maybe last season we'd have come away from there with a defeat.

But with United going well in the league, we can't afford to have too many more days like last Saturday.

We're up against a team with one of the best away records in the Premier League today in Everton. They're a different side to the one we played at Goodison in September.

They've become really hard to beat and keep things tight on the road. More than that, they're taking their chances and picking up a lot of 1-0 wins away from home.

That's the size of the task we're facing tonight.

We're not sure how they're going to play it; they've got a few injuries and suspensions to cope with so maybe they'll be less attacking than we've seen from them here in the past.

If they keep things tight and try to strangle the space we like to play in then we'll have to respond. It's not a new experience for us. A lot of teams have played that way here this season.

Really, we don't care how they play.

For us the most important thing is that we defend well as a team, especially at set-pieces, and then take the game to them.

We're at home and the fans are going to be up for it. The home form is one of the aspects of the season that we can improve, and hopefully if we stick to our gameplan and play at the level we know we can reach, then we'll win.

I'm really looking forward to the game. I always relish the derby, but when it's an evening match under the lights it takes on an extra special edge.

Personally, I prefer playing in the night under the floodlights at Anfield. I can get a sleep in the afternoon and come into the game fresh and hungry to perform. I think a lot of the boys are the same.

We can't wait to get out there.

Steven Gerrard


SAUCE

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Torres and Keane up front!! With Alonso back!! But too bad Agger wasn't in the lineup.. Hope my premonition won't come true.
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keane and torres one goal each and cahill grabbing a hattrick...
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The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Carragher, Hyypia, Skrtel, Aurelio, Alonso, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, Keane, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Babel, Lucas, Benayoun.
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sorry for missing for quite long time..neway game gonna start soon.. cme on redmen!!!
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guys... do update regularly ok... i am working now and not able to catch the game...

p/s: most games i didnt watch this season, Liv will draw/lost the match. If the team is not doing well, i will need to run back for luch and catch the 2nd half tongue.gif
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Commentator said " Agger is STILL injured" Since when? shocking.gif


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No Agger in the line-up is not a good sign... and I don't remember him getting any injury at all.

Well, all geared up for a big match. COME ON YOU REDS!
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Anyway, saw the staffs and benitez touch the "This is Anfield" board and the commentator said superstitious... doh.gif
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so quiet meh??? update la sikit...
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thx sols, omg torres miss the golden chance ! he is a lil rusty out there sweat.gif
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Alonso bump his head with the I forget who lol...

Anyway, 20fouls in 40mins...every 2 mins 1 foul... doh.gif
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Alonso bump his head with the I forget who lol...

Anyway, 20fouls in 40mins...every 2 mins 1 foul... doh.gif
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Webb has done well to control things on the pitch so far. Still, I wouldn't bet against a player seeing red today.
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torres did a superb run just now..but he should have scored or pass to keane at least..everton fullbacks are way better den ours at the moment..insua pls cme bek fast..aurelio is no gud..carra dunno y so quiet so is gerrard n keane..so far alonso playin well..reina oso..cme on redmen..v gotta win dis..pls
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a boring game!!! shocking.gif
both sets of team are playing cautious football - even fans from both side are quiet,.

-cheers-

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QUOTE(Oxigen @ Jan 20 2009, 04:56 AM)
a boring game!!!  shocking.gif
both sets of team are playing cautious football - even fans from both side are quiet,.

-cheers-

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We shud get a penalty earlier...anyway, good shot by Stevie
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Please don't tell me the player who missed the header was Aurelio.
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2 subs... 2 fouls... 1 goal... damn...
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All the excitement after Gerrard broke the deadlock went down to nothing. Sigh 100 X.
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the draw fever is back... 5 in 6matches?? correct me if i am wrong

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haha...stupid la liverpool players...cannot mark cahill....anyway...there goes our title
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Us to blame.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 20 2009, 05:58 AM)
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QUOTE(blinky @ Jan 20 2009, 05:53 AM)
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IF united win the game, we have a distance of 3 points.In the end, everything will be settled in march match at OT. brows.gif
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It seemed to me like Aurelio - a professional player of the highest level, was too afraid to put his head on the line to clear the ball. What, was he afraid that it might mess up his hair or what?
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:02 AM)
IF united win the game, we have a distance of 3 points.In the end, everything will be settled in march match at OTbrows.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 20 2009, 05:59 AM)
Not entirely I would say. That was a clear penalty we should get when Torres get bullied in the box... doh.gif
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I wouldn't say it's totally unacceptable but fair result. How many times Torres choose to move the ball towards defenders rather than pass to team mates? How frustrated when Keane standing beside him?

When you are leading in this type of game by narrow score it's either kill it off or defend harder. Neither we achieved.
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Grrr... another two points gone!

Now i have to go to school, disappointed with our performance. sad.gif


But meh, the season's not over yet. Cheer up everyone!! Liverpool will fare better in their next game.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 20 2009, 06:04 AM)
I wouldn't say it's totally unacceptable but fair result. How many times Torres choose to move the ball towards defenders rather than pass to team mates? How frustrated when Keane standing beside him?

When you are leading in this type of game by narrow score it's either kill it off or defend harder. Neither we achieved.
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The golden chance in the 1st half was wasted because of Torres' selfish display or I m not sure whether he noticed Keane around with 2 defenders blocking him.. doh.gif
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somebody tell benitez, he is NEVER gonna win the EPL by playing safe. Top teams do not withdraw BOTH strikers in a must win HOME game EVER. It just puts unnecessary pressure on the defence, and they crumble.

We still might win it, but its going to be down to a lot of luck and maybe a few more kidney stones for Benitez.


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QUOTE(corez @ Jan 20 2009, 06:04 AM)
Nah, still to early to decide the title. This is not a cup game.
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damn......freaking dissapointed again.

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:06 AM)
The golden chance in the 1st half was wasted because of Torres' selfish display or I m not sure whether he noticed Keane around with 2 defenders blocking him..  doh.gif
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He should have must strike the ball. No way he can pass as he being sandwiched by 2 defenders.

Look at the upcoming fixtures and the off pitch issues. Pretty hard huh? cool2.gif
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QUOTE(se7en @ Jan 20 2009, 06:07 AM)
somebody tell benitez, he is NEVER gonna win the EPL by playing safe. Top teams do not withdraw BOTH strikers in a must win HOME game EVER. It just puts unnecessary pressure on the defence, and they crumble.

We still might win it, but its going to be down to a lot of luck and maybe a few more kidney stones for Benitez.
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Rare poster we have here shocking.gif

Anyway, rafa had been playing safe of lately by withdrawing strikers and put in midfielders and we failed to get points... doh.gif


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QUOTE(popsoul @ Jan 20 2009, 06:08 AM)
He should have must strike the ball. No way he can pass as he being sandwiched by 2 defenders.

Look at the upcoming fixtures and the off pitch issues. Pretty hard huh?  cool2.gif
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He did struck the ball but hit the post... doh.gif

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I don't blame rafa. He did his job alright. It was just a moment of "relak" in the liverpool defence. If Skrtel had just marked that aussie....everything would have been different.
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It's a good game until Gerrard scored. Then it's became so lame that I knew Everton gonna pick up something from our carelessness. And it's always Cahill who done it so many times before, savaging and being savior of the day. 75minutes and we already played time wasting like bottom team always done? And sub both our strikers? It's stupid.

Gerrard goal was great but Cahill equalizer was clever. He sneak in front at the right time and put us stunned..

And why both fans so quiet today? Snow stuffed their mouths? So cold to the bone and shivering to shut their brain control?

Btw, my premonition came true at the end..

United, you may laugh today but it's us who'll be laughing on May.
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:10 AM)
I don't blame rafa. He did his job alright. It was just a moment of "relak" in the liverpool defence. If Skrtel had just marked that aussie....everything would have been different.
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The funny thing is Skrtel was angry over Cahill and almost started a fight with him but he tend to treat him like an invisible man.. omfg!!! No one mark him at all...Holy crap! doh.gif
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sorry to butt in .. everton played without strikers as well right ?
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arrrgghhh....i'm speechless.

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If Skrtel was marking another player, then it of course can be excused, but Skrtel wasn't marking anyone (as far as i could see) so it's pretty disappointing. It's alright, our lil' gangsta' will be around doing the job for us next well.

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