To me, it's one thing to have lots of posts, it's another to post quality posts. Quality over quantity anytime for me.

Never going to happen, while a good player, he would struggle in the English game, if you look at him closely, while him having the pace, skills and eye for goal, but I doubt he has the build for the English game, defenders like Upson, Terry, Vidic, and even Titus Bramble eat him alive...

Not to mention he wouldn't like the weather much and I doubt he'd be able to settle.

Of course there'll always be exceptions, Defoe was brought in the English game, while Robinho did well, if you really look closely, he didn't exactly set the world on fire. Struggling in some matches, but that is due to the team not up to par rather than him not coping.
The same could be said about people like Alonso and Torres who've taken to the league like fish to water while others, such as Morientes, or even Ballack, struggle to have an impact. Remember Juan Sebastian Veron anyone?

Check out this this place, same with you guys, if anyone ventured down south to Singapore, just pop by there to watch the match, and say that you're a MyRAWK member, they should look after you blokes, but one thing though, do brush up on the songs and history. They are very likely to ask you to sing. And no, YNWA is not accepted


Was reading with a bit of interest until I saw those two words, stopped reading it. TS, can we ban that publication as a source? This is because of their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy and this being the 20th year after the tragedy, I think we should really ban that here.
I for one never read anything from that publication as a source, not sure about others.

This post has been edited by Jonno: Jan 16 2009, 12:54 PM

Whether they are reliable or not, not the point, it's their reporting of the Hillsborough tragedy that pisses eveyone off, go wiki it to find out more.

here you go if you want to watch it, but remember to have tissue handy, brought tears to me eyes every time I watch it...

Please post it up so the rest can watch it too, my connection is very slow here.

Also, if you want to be part of the 20th year of Hillsborough Tragedy service at the match viewing, do make yourself available on 18th April 2009, the match vs Arsenal, we have something planned for that day, as a tribute for the 96 fellow fans who left us.

To the 96, You'll Never Walk Alone & RIP.


This post has been edited by Jonno: Jan 16 2009, 03:11 PM

There you go fellas, not sure it's been posted, but this is what we'll wear next season when we're on the road...


Not sure if that's what sparks the debate / discussion on the whole religion / sponsor / logo thing. To me, it's simple, supporting a football club doesn't mean you agree with everything about that club. If the club is sponsored by an alcohol brand, so be it, wearing the shirt doesn't mean you are promoting the alcohol brand. Unfortunately, because of the commercialism of things, the branding is bigger than the club crest. We have to understand that, sometimes, the money from these sponsors is what helps makes the club what it is, apart from other sources of income.

If one is to be so strict, then what about this? Almost every club has a beer / alcohol sponsor. Man U? Theirs is Budwiser. And if you want to take it further, almost all clubs have some sort of tie up with online gambling company. So where does that leaves us? Stop supporting the club because these things are featured on the shirt? What about the website? It is featured on their website as well.

At the end of the day, it's about personal believe, if you think it's ok to wear it, go ahead, if not, there are lots of shirts with your club's logo that doesn't feature that brand. Nothing wrong there, there's no big deal about it, please don't make this a big issue as it would disrupt the harmony of all football fans in the country. WE might support rival teams, but we are all fans of football, thus it should at least enable us to have a proper and mature discussion about football. If we are to talk about sponsors, we should be talking about why Man U, with 17 league titles, 3 CL, 11 FA Cups & 2 League Cups can get 19 Million pounds a year (or at least ask), while us with 18 league titles, 5 CL, 7 FA Cups & League Cups only get about 7 Million a year. Or what about Tottenham? Even they get about 12 Million a year? These are the things we should be thinking and discuss or even argue about? Not petty little things about wearing a shirt denotes promoting things that are against your religion, it's about individual interpretation.

And while I'm at it, I have one more thing to ask / say, why we receive so little? Ask Rick Parry! He is one reason why we have stuttered so much, but since the 2 clowns came in, we have no choice but to accept him and David Moores as they are the only 2 who are thinking for the clubs' best interest while the 2 clown d*** us around. When we get a new owner, then sack Rick Parry!

Should be though, got it from Daily Mail, a few others in England reported it as well.

That one, we'll have to make it ourselves and sell it, plus we can take out the Carlsberg Logo, replace adidas with MyRAWK...

Perhaps because monstar that lucky snot is there at the match? He went with Phil senior, Phil junior can't make it to the game. Boasted about it to me...

I am not too sure, are they still on TV? Used to like that show too, with them showing cameras following cops on busts and raids as well as arrests. Good show...

Seriously, while everyone was going gogo gaga over the PC which I might ad was very nice, no one noticed the mistake. My friend, to some it's a cardinal sin, me included, if you want to call yourself a fan, you're at least expected to be able to spell things like the name of the team, stadium name etc etc right.

No offence intended

This post has been edited by Jonno: Feb 2 2009, 08:10 PM

Yeah good seats, inline with the peno spot at the Kop end. According to him, he was so busy bouncing with the crowd, that he missed the second goal.

On another hand, I have mixed feelings that Keane is gone, just like when Morientes was sold. These are 2 players I felt would do well for us, unfortunately, Moro couldn't adjust to the league and that Keane didn't fit into the system. Having said that, I do thank him for the goals he scored for us, albeit only 7, but it helped.

For those who are dreaming that we'd sign David Villa, it will not happen, we DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. Saviola, on the other hand, might come as a free agent, but not too sure of him fitting into the league / system. I mean, I am all for signing good players, but where to play him? As I felt his best position is currently occupied by the best player in the world, according to Guus Hiddink, our very own Stevie G. Unless Rafa has intention to switch to 4 - 1 - 3 - 2 with Saviola & Torres up front, which means one of Alonso or Mascherano will miss out, which also means that we will not have the passing of Alonso or tenacity of Mascherano in the middle of the park. The only way I see this happening is, Kuyt leaves to Juve for whatever amount they are offering (depending on where you read it, it is in the range of 15 to 28M, which is bollocks, I'll snap their hand off if they offer anything more than 16M), move Gerrard to the right with Saviola tucking in behind Torres.

This would mean another thing, we would miss Kuyt's energy on the right as he is like another defensive midfielder there, hassling and stopping them getting through the midfield area for attacks. Also, Gerrard had the tendency of wandering around into the middle, clogging up the middle of the park, rendering Saviola ineffective, at the same time leaving the right side of the pitch empty and vulnerable for attacks. Before long, everyone would be calling Rafa to sell Saviola, despite Rafa keeps playing him, making him very unpopular.

Seriously, I can see this happening already.

Well, normally I don't like to rebuff these types of claims, but this time, I think I should make an exception.

The thing is, if you look at the signing of Veron, it is entirely the manager's fault. At the time he signed Veron, Slur Alex wanted someone to assist in challenging in Europe, in doing so, he is fixing something that is not broken, hate to say it, but Man U had a good midfield four then, Becks on the right, Keane and Scholes in the middle and Giggs on the left, by getting Veron, he had to drop Scholes, as Veron is perceived to be able to control the game more than Scholes, especially in Europe. However, Veron could not fit into the fast and furious nature of the league, although he had flashes of brilliance here and there, but all in all, could not fit in, at all. In the end, was sold to Chelsea for half the price when most would not pay 6M for him. In that sense it WAS a good deal.

Keane on the other hand, was NOT Rafa's signing at all, he was signed and literally thrown to Rafa. In that sense, Rafa did not see how Keane can fit into the system and do what he asked Keane to do, which leads to Keane playing a lot less that many felt he should. In the end, sold back to Spurs for about 75% of the fee.

Therefore, it's a completely different scenario all together, with Veron playing most of the games and failed, while Keane played because Torres was injured, and failed to deliver as expected, if you look at his goals to game ratio or goals to minutes ratio, it is not as bad as many puts it, of course it could be better but it's much much better than Veron, who was the reason Man U flopped badly in the league and Europe in the time he was there, single handedly letting the game bypassing him and the direct cause for many defeats.

So it is not the 以五十步笑百步 as you said, in fact far far more different from it. To equate that is plain lazy and trying to convince others caused by blindness and a serious lack of understanding of the game and the team.

By the way, 以五十步笑百步 could be loosely translated to pot calling the kettle black.

Wouldn't it be scarier if that WAS the best of him had he stayed back?

Thank you for agreeing with what many of us sees it clearly, it's always "Rafa's Rotation" but Ferguson or Wenger "Rest players".

Having said that, I think it was because there are too many ex Liverpool Players in the media, couple with a Spaniard that "doesn't understand the culture, the English game" so every time they smell blood, it's splashed all over the papers. I am not sure why, perhaps because the club with such steep tradition would fall that far behind. IT's not like the Leeds or Nottingham Forest where they practically dropped off the radar, only occasionally pop up in the odd League / FA Cup games or when they got hammered or hammered someone.

Liverpool, on the other hand, occupy the unwanted "neither here nor there" spot where we weren't good enough (will change after this season) to constantly challenge for top honours, even when we did, it was through grit and what many termed as luck (both 3 - 3 games that won Benitez his trophies), but too good for the rest who weren't playing for anything. It's a place I hate, but I know that after this season, they would be talking about Liverpool in another way, and hopefully in Joe Kinnear, they'll find someone else to lambaste, for he clearly deserves it.