is that possible? i wonder why nobody tried to change the structure by them self if their pro enough..

Planning to do my JASPER like this if have spare time. No need for extreme case mod and put watercooler la......
Everytime came back from work my hands itch to play games. Played until 2~3am then go back to work early morning, no time to do this cooling mod.........plan to take a loong holiday to do it...



By the way, installing the game from HDD does reduce the noide from the drive significantly

This post has been edited by sigung: Feb 13 2009, 11:52 AM

Dude, it's the firmware that control the mechanical thus the noise. try unmod & see? also only the LiteOn drive is quiet..the rest are noisy. if you really annoyed by the sound buy a HDD for 120GB.....or change to PS3 or Wii for a silence experience.

The quote marked red is not entirely correct. although heat is the one causing problem, it's not due to the console or heastsink small but rather some issues regarding the chip packaging material used
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3...chips-defective

Refer the link above for a root cause of it. It was documented at link below:-

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472

Should you need more information for nVidia's problem, google link here : http://www.google.com/search?q=nVidia+G86+graphic+card

the problem is by folds more serious than the xbox incident in the means of PR and nVidia also forked out 1.1billions to fix the problem
and....

oh, the latest PS3 with 65nm chips in it which launched in MY also reported to have similar 3RRoD like defect that lead to "no display/cannot power up" symptoms on PS3.

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Added on February 13, 2009, 12:23 pmJasper? it is cool enough already.....why still wanna mod it?

This post has been edited by navigator: Feb 13 2009, 12:58 PM

No need meh bro? This is my first x360 thats why scared. If like that than just drill a few ventilation holes is enough then. I sometime play 8hours straight thats why scared.......

Wow... thanks for the detail explaination... I forget to put... what i stated purely based on personal opinion only...

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Added on February 13, 2009, 3:14 pm NICE MOD!!! WHo know how to do it??? We make a TT session la... Then mod togehter!!

This post has been edited by tom_k3nt: Feb 13 2009, 03:14 PM

My previous x360 zephyr first time got 3RROD, after fixed it from the shop, I installed with high speed cooling fan .
After sometime, RROD visited me again.
Finally, managed to get a water cooling system (x360 exclusive) to cool the GPU & CPU....end up RROd too...
Guys, better don't waste time mod here mod there, all useless...
Just wait & see if the Jasper set really last.... without modding.

True. Fundamental problem is not heat, but primarily the hardware failure due to substandard design/components/materials. Heat is a cause, but not the root. It's all tied together, and unless the Jasper addresses the multiple issues on multiple fronts, there will be a weak point and I will have to end up sending my Jasper in. Problem is, the entire design was flawed to begin with, it was a compromise between all the engineering and marketing people, and working out flaws from an existing system within all these constraints will never totally cure all issues. Personally, I'll be happy if it lasts 3 years, but I'm not sure if I should hold my breath.

You may refer to my post #723 for a detail & root cause.

Whatever cooling you have will not help unless you have a cooling system so powerful that you can let the chip keep staying @ room temperature.

The xbox360 is not substandard at all in technology perspective~! it's well ahead of it's time when it's launched in year 2005. It was too rushed for the design and ended up the system is seriously flawed.

It's not a failed product considering they are the 1st system to pack so many power in the system in that time and till date the hardware sales is still ahead of it's major competitor.

in year 2005, a gaming hardware with a graphic power similar to X1800XT is a technology feat.

The Jasper is finally reached 97% manufacturing yield compared to any of the previous which indicate that the Jasper *might* be the preferred hardware design.

The one really substandard is the nVidia G86 graphic chip which is not sensitive to the issue already hitted the xbox360 on 2006 and repeated the exact same mistake after so many years......

just wonderin.. since arcade set doesnt have hdd.. isit possible to update the movie codecs for the set? does 256mb enuff for store codes files?

500 i think that is ok.hopefully can la

Your post #723 links to articles indicating the use of substandard materials in the construction, which I've mentioned is part of the primary cause of hardware failures.

It may have been well ahead of its time when launched, but that does not mean the design is not substandard. To have placed the GPU and heatsink under the media drive, that was a huge stroke of compromise. That, amongst other things fundamental to the basic operation of the machine, was not given the development and design it really needed, and therefore the entire machine suffered as a result. While they may have succeeded in winning the race with the PS3, it has come at an obvious cost.

It was never a failed product, just a flawed product. Marketing and PR ensured that some holes were patched, but given the poor initial yields, there's bound to be a lot of consumer backlash and lost goodwill towards Microsoft. Come the next generation of consoles in the future, there may be the possibility that MS would've won this battle, only to have lost the war.

And yes, while packing in that much performance into 2005 hardware might've been a technological feat, making it all reliable would've been an even greater feat. It's hardware, it's designed to work within certain tolerances, but MS can be assured that public consumer opinion has even finer tolerances.

While Jasper may look promising, the underlying framework is still flawed from the beginning, so as a consumer, my hope would be that they address ALL the key issues involved, and not patch one or two holes only to leave other holes wide open (unfortunately the xclamps are still there). The time to make excuses for this machine has passed, MS has already acknowledged that with their extended warranty.

It's just a sad sad thing that the current console with the best software and community infrastructure happens to be the one with the greatest fundamental hardware issues. Jasper may be a shining beacon, but is it too little too late?

Ah dude what take you so long to reply?

Ok in reply to quotes above. i would say taht it's not a sumstandard material is used but a shortcut being used for the chip packaging. There should be a layer to act as a "suspension" for those delicate GPU packaging bumps and sadly M$ for some reason did not add that in in the 1st place and after some thermal stress, the bump will develope metal fatigue and failed.

Somehow the Falcon iteration should include these special layer. it reduced the 3RRoD problem, but given that the redesign of the GPU packaging is somehow also in a rush and evetually while the production yield is increased, it's still flawed.

The Jasper is touted as a complete revamp of the GPU and should finally solve the dreaded 3RRoD or else the Valhalla will cause more problem to Microsoft.

The digital framwork is not flawed, the thing that makes the hardware issue so ugly is their bad marketing and management decision and a little out of luck, which happened to nVidia also right now. At least microsoft responded positively.

For me, Jasper is late, but at least it's not too late.

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Added on February 16, 2009, 9:24 pmit is possible to store the codec since they're less than 10MB

This post has been edited by navigator: Feb 16 2009, 09:24 PM

Very busy lah, otherwise sure answer you earlier

So by taking the shortcut and omitting the "suspension" layer, it's not substandard materials, it's a substandard manufacturing process? Weren't the initial chips MS designed and not outsourced? And for the Falcon to suffer similarly, doesn't that indicate that the substandard manufacturing process was allowed to continue? For the GPU packaging to be redesigned and yet this missed out, it smells of more than an oversight.

Yes, Jasper is late, but is it too little too late? Have they done enough to stem the flow?

Anyone wants US version jasper arcade or pro, please contact me. Gamestop and walmarts have them all. Havent seen any jasper elites yet. Just traded my falcon for jasper at Gamestop last friday, it runs very cool and I got the lite on drive.

This post has been edited by xboxnerd: Feb 17 2009, 07:34 AM

heard the gameshop guy told me not to update the jasper set cos it give some problem to the set.. How true is this?

I think he meant the HDMI audio update. Some people got the RROD after updating while others got error E74 (if I remember the number correctly). Dunno whether the MS fixed the problem adi onot.

can anyone provide me da picture of jasper internal component... prefer da picture of heatsink, mobo design...

Yes, considered as a substandard manufacturing process. The chip is actually repackaged by M$ itself and sadly, even they dedicated a team to improve the yield, the time are too short for them to completely redesign and test the chip properly and that caused the yield is not satisfactory and causing some falcon 3RRoD as well. In falcon, the chip is modified, but not redesigned.

The Jasper is their 1st chance to make thing right finally. So the Jasper should finally, solved the chip bump detachment problem....but since 3RRoD is so complicated, it can't eb said that jasper will completely eliminate the 3RRoD.....

The Jasper yield is good enough to say -- this time, they've eradicated the problem.

Some speculation out there says that some repair units is also installed with the Jasper although the 12V railing is not 12.1A

there is loads of it in the internet.. pls use google..



This post has been edited by jinaun: Feb 17 2009, 11:43 PM

Sorry if I sound retarded, but what is the difference between Jasper, Falcon, etc. 360s?

Saw alot of people asking for Jasper in some threads and got curious.

Again, sorry if I sound retarded. ok! thanks!