And so here is V18. Surprised no one created after 125 pages.

Congrat to TS.

v18 ... let's all fatt together!

pruttt....hahaa..

damn.strategic so low oni..

How to see DJI future?

Try this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures.html

Thanks .. so fast as usual ..

DJIA future looks bad:

7,926.00 -101.00

wah, i thought someone said don't jinx v18???

V18

official one?

nice, do you have KLCI version

Not sure where to get FKLI.

Hehe lower KLCI good for us to pick up, so that we can 'fatt' in 5 years time.

-111 only nothing much effect. if mana mana share boleh beli much drop another -888

http://mdextbns.n2nconnect.com/mdex.html

Checking in.........so fast V18

yo yo checking-in too!

18 = Sure fatt

lol hopefully... !

Don dream lol. Market not so fast rebound one ...Now better collect more bullets Rush in now sure regret...

yo... so fast all check in liao

Land of promise. V18.

Let V 18 speaks for herself.

If market no rebound....short till reach bottom

Short term rebound yes but will be risky...For recovery is still too early to say though

Ok, my first contribution to the new thread.

Where is the bottom for Zelan? I was asking myself this question so I did a check on the stock's recent performance and found that the drop started when the CEO started selling down his shares via Nobel Gem. You can see from below that the amount he was disposing sometimes went up to 53% of the day's total volume!


11/11/2008
Change: -$0.10
Volume: 9,208,300
Disposed: 3,768,600 (41%)


12/11/2008
Change: -$0.14
Volume: 37,011,700
Disposed: 12,361,400 (33%)


13/11/2008
Change: -$0.06
Volume: 13,493,000
Disposed: 3,633,300 (27%)


14/11/2008
Change: +$0.01
Volume: 13,367,600
Disposed: 4,836,700 (36%)


17/11/2008
Change: -$0.06
Volume: 17,453,000
Disposed: 3,844,100 (22%)


18/11/2008
Change: -$0.015
Volume: 6,869,400
Disposed: 805,600 (12%)


19/11/2008
Change: -$0.03
Volume: 9,069,800
Disposed: 4,851,300 (53%)


20/11/2008
Change: -$0.085
Volume: 16,233,400
Disposed: ???


He (via Nobel Gem) was left with 1,867,200 shares after 19/11, so the question is could he have disposed them all today? If yes, are we seeing a bottom for Zelan?

Anyway, nobody know that. Just go ahead if you feel it is right time.

Anyone here want to accept this challenge ? Will You Bet?

Europe no direction at the moment, all eyes on US. Sometime I just wonder how come the biggest debtor of the world deserve such attention
Maybe if you owe enough to others then others will not let you fall

My remiser say theres technical buy sign as there is dividen ex on 24/11 but only for short term play buying in stages and set cut lost price if drop 5-8% from purchase price.

Currently is bear market...

Chk the Zelan research papers include below.
If break the +/-0.90.. tends to drop further. Strong support at 0.60 and 0.40

Today towards the close i can see there's still strong selling pressure for this counter... i feel its not near bottom yet.

Good luck.

Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Nov 20 2008, 09:28 PM


Attached File(s)
 ZelanTechnical20081114.pdf ( 38.32k ) Number of downloads: 18
 Zelan1.doc ( 43.5k ) Number of downloads: 16

Citi Group 6+ now, any taker?

8888!!~ All 888

I've been having an interest on zelan too due to the massive sell down lately,

But actually, aren't what you posted a huge reason for concerns? Being CEO and all, why would he dispose of his shares if he can see a good future for zelan?

If I'm CEO of my own company, and I see good business coming in, wouldn't you want to hold on or even increase your share holding and take advantage of the bear market to get more shares? Instead of disposing it out in such a drastic manner that severely effected your own share price, and thus reducing the $$ that you'll make on subsequent sells?

Could this also be an indicator that Zelan will have some rough roads ahead (Medium to Long term) and thus, the ceo decides to bail out first? We can possibly make some money in short term, but I wont expect anything from the medium to long term, based on such selloff by their directors

Wow, version 18 liao.
time to reporting in, way to prosperous of year 2009!

Another Gamuda or worse ?

I avoid Zelan bcos it is not the same position as IOI or TM .

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Nov 20 2008, 09:48 PM

I think will be like Gamuda's case. CEO will make a public appearance about needing the money for something else blah blah. Still confident of company and will stay with company. 2 months down the road, all their contracts are either under review or cancelled. ^^

For every massive selldown, I'd tend to find out what the reason behind it in the first place. For example, we all know TM's losses are caused by US debts. Which will be paid off sooner or later. We can factor in TM will likely take more losses as RM weakens, but once their debts are paid off, they'll be healthy again. Non terminal cancer... and we can take the risk and go in.

But, when the price drops down for no apparent reasons that only the director doing the selloff knows......

I was queing at 87, 865 and then finally cancelled just when it hit 0.865.
We'll see how it goes..

The shares disposed by the directors were bought by epf... there goes our hard earned retirement money if something goes wrong...

This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 20 2008, 10:01 PM

Director of the Company, Mr. Lam Kar Keong, The Group Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chang Si Fock @ Chong See Fock (Noble Gem Sdn. Bhd) are now left with 0.33% of ZELAN shares, after a massive disposing activities since the last 2-weeks.

This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 20 2008, 10:00 PM

Jobless claims jump unexpectedly to 16-year high

Another day for down?

Err... maybe because he's stepping down as CEO so cashing out, retiring, etc? Zelan just announced that they'll let his contract lapsed in January and soneone else will replace him.

If you look at the announcements, EPF had also been buying.

unemployment claim much wider than the forecast, djia futures plunge to 169 !

* Dimming prospects of US auto rescue unnerve markets

* Citigroup shares up on report of Saudi stake boost

* Jobless claims, Philly Fed survey on tap

* Wall St to open at lowest level in 5-1/2 years

* Crude oil dropped to USD50/barrel

This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 20 2008, 10:11 PM

Is there anyway we can find out what EPF is buying? I mean, not before (unless somebody knows!) but after they have bought the shares......

EPF bought 4 million today

EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD
TINGKAT 19, BANGUNAN KWSP
JALAN RAJA LAUT
50350 KUALA LUMPUR


Details of Changes

Date of Notice : 12/11/2008

Transactions:
No. Date Transaction Type No of Shares Price (RM)
1. 12/11/2008 Acquired 4,050,000 -


Circumstances by reason of which change has occurred:
PURCHASE OF SHARES

Nature of Interest:
DIRECT

Consideration:



No of Shares Held After Changes:
Direct : 44,984,700 shares (7.9900%)
Indirect/Deemed Interest : 0 shares (0.0000%)
Total : 44,984,700 shares

Crude oil is touching USD 50 level soon:

51.01 -2.61

so, goodbye IOI.

see you at 1.80

Lucky never get my Golden Agri today

id expect oil to go up during the winter?

Open drop a bit only? 安啦。For those sapu today

The day is still long to go ...

I doubt that IOI Corp will drop to RM1.80. If you mention around RM2.50, it will be more realistic. Just my personal view only

Over 100 U.S. "blue chips" now selling for under $10 a share

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/081119/business_us_sp_10bucks.html

In between lies a raft of household names, many formerly held up as blue chips, including Citigroup (NYSE:C - News; $6.40), Alcoa (NYSE:AA - News; $8.16), Xerox (NYSE:XRX - News; $5.58), Motorola (NYSE:MOT - News; $3.44), Starbucks (NasdaqGS:SBUX - News; $7.97) and Yahoo (NasdaqGS:YHOO - News; $9.14), not to mention beleaguered automakers Ford Motor (NYSE:F - News; $1.26) and General Motors (NYSE:GM - News; $2.79).

Will this happen to heavyweight counters in KLCI?

Most of them , CEOs still travel in private jet or planes , expecting US Govt to bail them

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Nov 20 2008, 10:45 PM

Hey, that is my revised price for IOI.

-200+ liao.

Ouch! 7500 level soon ...

Round no. here you go!

European market is tracking DJIA plunging trend in last 1 to 2 hours of trading.

FTSE 100: 3,851.31 -154.37 -3.85%
DAX: 4,169.00 -185.09 -4.25%
CAC 40: 2,909.83 -178.06 -5.77%

This post has been edited by David83: Nov 20 2008, 11:21 PM

cover back, now -128.
Long night to go, better go sleep now

DJIA like a roller coaster, suddenly recover close to green zone then back to -99, a minute later, recovering again n the same pattern repeat again...

Could be because it's a strong bottom at 7,773.

This post has been edited by wirelessdude: Nov 21 2008, 12:03 AM

Turn green already, but wondering if it can sustain the last hour of trading..

lol down jones is having fun swinging high-and-low.

now drop back to red zone.

As usual...look into the last 45mins...

DJIA is so volatile that we cant really predict how it gonna end in early session time

if DJIA end in red, tomolo bursa will be open in red. But expected to be green late in the afternoon. SO i think can buy in the morning..

how i wish if i am daring enough to buy and sell in short term.

They didn't buy that today, that was bought on 12/11/2008. Buys and Sells by substantial shareholder are not shown until a week later. So if the major shareholders are selling, you won't know until they announced it a week later. Only buybacks are reported within the day.

Another Big RED day.


Dow 7,552.29 -444.99 -5.28%
Nasdaq 1,316.12 -70.30 -5.07%
S&P 500 752.44 -54.14 -6.71%


Can we go lower?? How much more blood on streets??

This post has been edited by danmooncake: Nov 21 2008, 05:37 AM

And crude oil price is below USD 50:

48.57 -5.53

Any way to know what shares they bought (EPF). I'm sure they have done their homework before buying the shares..... wanna follow suit....

Now with the Dow dropping so much..... KLSE will probably drop too..... hmmmm..... when would be a good time to buy (i.e. the bottom!!!)....

This post has been edited by kmarc: Nov 21 2008, 06:47 AM

Another mega sales coming?

Probably, but when to go shopping??!!?!

Last minute buying today or wait Monday?

This post has been edited by kmarc: Nov 21 2008, 07:07 AM

yeah, can go shopping, at least the DJAI futures is in positive. Market open in red but DJ FUtures will probably giv klci some recovery..

Today my target is :

IOICORP
HUANN
ASIATIC

for contra Will choose which slide the most

Pasar malam kena kow kow.. Mega Sales again.. Buy Buy Buy!

Morning when everyone shell-shock and sell-shock, then can buy shok
But maybe loss shock afterwards beware... trap everywhere

Is same like you buy small and big in genting Buy at the amount which you can afford to take it

This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 21 2008, 08:18 AM

small and big.... small and big..
gamble gamble.

Who queuing in today, anyone brave enough to buy at open?
I never buys at open... don't know how market will swing. but i did notice some panic sellers like to queue low low in the opening..

Genting long time never been there loh, I wait them buy over Sands in Macau first...

i looking at knm 0.55, zelan today... 0.83!!

KNM should be coming to 0.57 for sure, in the morning...

I will be waiting for Zelan at 0.83 too....

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Added on November 21, 2008, 8:58 amThis pasar malam was down only 196 half an hour before closing and suddenly boom boom boom... down 400 over points. The same trend yesterday, slide down massively towards closing. seems like futures and opening of Dow cannot be taken as an indicator as the real action starts only towards the closing.

Its the same the other day when it was negative all the way till the last hour recovered over 700 pts to close +500 over..

This post has been edited by verbatim: Nov 21 2008, 08:58 AM

aii din notice there is a v18 here .. went to post at v17
why this posr is not under the main top there ha?

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Added on November 21, 2008, 9:02 amwow zelan open at 2.825

This post has been edited by mo_meng: Nov 21 2008, 09:02 AM

zelan oledi 0.83

IOI drop so much...=.=

No fun... so fast match my zelan at 0.835 .....

Went out make coffee come back all matched.. hehe

This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 21 2008, 09:04 AM

anyone entering?

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Added on November 21, 2008, 9:06 amkinstel, zelan, huaan, all cheap cheap... how?

This post has been edited by gogo2: Nov 21 2008, 09:06 AM

I notice the first few hours of trading are usually very wild one... it'll settle down later at 11am+

Some of the best bargains or worst sells that I noticed happening during these past few months usually occured in the early morning sessions....

Others care to comment on this?

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Added on November 21, 2008, 9:14 amDont enter huaan, expect it to drop to 0.21 or lower

hehehe...


This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 21 2008, 09:14 AM

bloodbath shedding!!!!

*okay i am glad that i run edy yesterday. you guys happy shopping and happy contra-ing

seems to be settling down somewhat, climbing back up....

Eh I noticed the Zelan counter says low of 0.825

Nvm... hehe i could've sworn i didn't see any trades at 0.825.. haha


This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 21 2008, 09:21 AM

no mega sales one.......wait for rebound lo next week....zzzz.....

oh tempting price... been waiting for months...

oh surprisingly PMCAP is one of the Top Active.

i've been looking at it since the past few days.
its price is pretty steady at 0.095/0.100

世界末日

This post has been edited by sampoo: Nov 21 2008, 09:32 AM

I think because early trade people put any price they want and some are more bearish while some are bullish. So the initial start will be a bit off. But once the trades are started the general direction is know, then the market will adjust itself towards it.

Zelan have tat same pattern drop since it drop few days back.. drop, hold, up..drop... hold.. up and at last minute drop more.. next day open drop alot again.

You buy alot at 0.83 one go or planning to buy more if drift lower?

Not so sure whether it can hold well since near to ex-dividen date ady. Coz some ppl tends to sell off their shares as after ex their share price will drop even mooorre.
Good luck.

Cheers,
v_viper88

Want to get your hand dirty again on goreng goreng?

Say what????

DJIA drop more than 800 points in 2 days? Yeap, and its not bottom yet. Look for another 5-10% drop. That's why i said, don't go to V18 yet.


This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Nov 21 2008, 09:33 AM

One word, fear.