Stock Market V18, Stock Market Chit Chat
Stock Market V18, Stock Market Chit Chat
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Nov 20 2008, 05:57 PM, updated 17y ago
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And so here is V18. Surprised no one created after 125 pages.
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Nov 20 2008, 06:56 PM
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Nov 20 2008, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 20 2008, 09:43 PM) 8888!!~ All 888 I think will be like Gamuda's case. CEO will make a public appearance about needing the money for something else blah blah. Still confident of company and will stay with company. 2 months down the road, all their contracts are either under review or cancelled. ^^I've been having an interest on zelan too due to the massive sell down lately, But actually, aren't what you posted a huge reason for concerns? Being CEO and all, why would he dispose of his shares if he can see a good future for zelan? If I'm CEO of my own company, and I see good business coming in, wouldn't you want to hold on or even increase your share holding and take advantage of the bear market to get more shares? Instead of disposing it out in such a drastic manner that severely effected your own share price, and thus reducing the $$ that you'll make on subsequent sells? Could this also be an indicator that Zelan will have some rough roads ahead (Medium to Long term) and thus, the ceo decides to bail out first? We can possibly make some money in short term, but I wont expect anything from the medium to long term, based on such selloff by their directors |
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Nov 21 2008, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 20 2008, 10:17 PM) EPF bought 4 million today They didn't buy that today, that was bought on 12/11/2008. Buys and Sells by substantial shareholder are not shown until a week later. So if the major shareholders are selling, you won't know until they announced it a week later. Only buybacks are reported within the day. EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD TINGKAT 19, BANGUNAN KWSP JALAN RAJA LAUT 50350 KUALA LUMPUR Details of Changes Date of Notice : 12/11/2008 Transactions: No. Date Transaction Type No of Shares Price (RM) 1. 12/11/2008 Acquired 4,050,000 - Circumstances by reason of which change has occurred: PURCHASE OF SHARES Nature of Interest: DIRECT Consideration: No of Shares Held After Changes: Direct : 44,984,700 shares (7.9900%) Indirect/Deemed Interest : 0 shares (0.0000%) Total : 44,984,700 shares |
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Nov 21 2008, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 21 2008, 09:12 AM) I notice the first few hours of trading are usually very wild one... it'll settle down later at 11am+ I think because early trade people put any price they want and some are more bearish while some are bullish. So the initial start will be a bit off. But once the trades are started the general direction is know, then the market will adjust itself towards it.Some of the best bargains or worst sells that I noticed happening during these past few months usually occured in the early morning sessions.... Others care to comment on this? Added on November 21, 2008, 9:14 am Dont enter huaan, expect it to drop to 0.21 or lower hehehe... |
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Nov 21 2008, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 21 2008, 09:40 AM) Time for some interesting story-reading. Ahahaha Awesome storyAn Asian Twist to Explain the $$$ Crisis One day, a plain-looking man came with a pretty-looking OL(Office Lady) to the LV store in Causeway Bay (Hong Kong Island). He chose an LV bag worth HKD 65,000 for the OL. When it came time to pay, the man took out a checkbook and wrote out a check. The salesperson was hesitant because the couple hadn't shopped there before. The man discerned what the salesperson was thinking and he said calmly: "I sense that you are concerned that this check may bounce, right? Today is Saturday and the banks are closed. Let me suggest that I leave the check and the handbag here. When the check clears on Monday, you can deliver the handbag to this lady. How about that? The salesperson was reassured and gladly accepted the suggestion. In addition, he waived the delivery charges. He promised that he would personally make sure that this gets done. On Monday, the salesperson took the check to the bank. The check bounced! The irate salesperson called up the client, who told him: "What is the big deal? Neither you nor I have suffered any loss. Last Saturday night, I went to bed with that girl already! Oh, by the way, I thank you for your cooperation." This story reveals the nature of the sub-prime mortgage crisis. When people have high hopes for huge future returns, they lower their guard about the potential risks. This pretty girl thought that the HKD 65,000 LV bag was going to come home on Monday, and so she lowered her guard. Therefore, she believed that her investment in the ONS (one night stand) was worth it even though it was based upon huge and highly uncertain risks. Investment companies are great with packaging high return (but high risk) deals. The stock speculators are like this pretty woman. As such, they deserve to lose money. Without people like these, how are people going to make money from the stock market? As for the media and the stock analysts, they often play the role of the LV salesperson. |
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Nov 23 2008, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Nov 22 2008, 11:35 PM) MMC now is the main shareholder of Zelan. EPF also up its stakes in Zelan. I don't know why but I keep questioning the reason why the director is disposing the shares to the market. Even if the contract their contract tenure is not renewed, they can still keep the shares if the prospects of Zelan is good. Furthermore, if they had a clause that they need to sell the shares, they could've arranged for a negotiated offer for their 5% holding. Rarely you see directors dumping the shares unless something is amiss. The news says theres possibility of privatisation or inject 99.9% of MMC Engineering into Zelan. Another fund manager also says buying Zelan at below 0.90 is like buying it for free based on its financial , current biz projects value, capital/assets etcs when its share rises back in 2-3 yrs times v_viper88 Especially when there is a dividend payout due in December. And they know this because they are in the board that approves it. By selling off everything in the market uncontrolled, they are basically getting out as fast as they can. Even substantial shareholders JPMorgan which is now not a substantial shareholder anymore, is dumping the shares slowly. Since they are not a substantial shareholder or below 5% holdings, they do not need to report anymore of their dumping activities. So I won't be surprised if Zelan share continue to weaken from this activities. So I hope people who are buying this share for 'long term' holding, ask themselves this, WHY is the big fishes running? What is it they know that we don't? |
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Nov 23 2008, 07:22 AM
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Nov 23 2008, 01:14 AM) I'm not good at summarize things up. Maybe its better u read the magazine to get better understanding. That's what I mean, if there is some sort of arrangement between MMC and the other main shareholder, they can easily trade the shares with a mutual agreement or transfer since it is a substantial amount. Instead the major shareholder dump the share like nobodys business into the open market. I myself also dont know wats actually the real reason of the heavy selloff but since MMC and EPF also actively buy Zelan shares since it drop ... i feel there is still some good value in this counter. From KLSE database tracker i chk Zelan financial and current assets /capital/biz still strong. If feel investing in this counter doesn't suit a person's risk appetite, better stay away from this counter. Or want to invest like me, i'll go in stages by stages. I bought at 0.805 the day bfr ex-dividen. Get some dividen to support abit. v_viper88 I repeat again about the dividend. If the director knew about the dividend, which I'm sure they do because they are part of the board which approve it, why isn't he waiting until after the dividend, then dump the share? If he is the director, he should know what are the prospects of Zelan, if it is good, then why is he dumping the share? Same with the CEO. If Zelan is rumored to be taken private, then why again is he dumping the share, he might get a better price since he is a major shareholder. Too many red flags are being raised here. I don't own any Zelan but I can't help but wonder why people aren't seeing Gamuda V2 here. |
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Nov 24 2008, 03:22 PM
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So how many people got trapped with Zelan?
I believe still got a lot of selling pressure for this counter. They just waiting for it to go higher a bit before they dump to the massive buy queues. |
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Nov 24 2008, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 24 2008, 03:48 PM) Yes, 0.76. My first trade. Too nervous. Typed wrong price. Hmmmm virgin but no luck. Ya, I want to try contra. I didn't target this counter for long-term holding anyway. I just thought there's an opportunity to make a small quick gain jumping in and jumping out. |
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Nov 24 2008, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 24 2008, 04:24 PM) don't forget that these executives get special price when they buy. Par value is 0.50, he could have got it somewhere 0.50 - 0.80, as he also bought in bulks. He still makes if he sells around present price I think the question is, if the rumoured takeover price is higher than the current selling price, he could've waited for the offer. He could even sell it to the market if the offer price announced is higher than now. But he didn't and instead sell it all off now on the current market. Conclusion? |
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Nov 24 2008, 04:33 PM
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Just in case no one notice, MMCCORP share price drop 15% today.
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Nov 24 2008, 04:37 PM
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Nov 24 2008, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 24 2008, 04:33 PM) he could have a contract clause that stipulates he has to sell off stake when he is asked to leave (terminate contract) Normally if the buy-over is a good thing the shares will go up. If it is bad, it'll go down.Added on November 24, 2008, 4:36 pm usually a company that offers to buy over will face a sell-down, because they need to raise money to execute the process. In order to raise money, it can be a form of loan from present MMC shareholders, thus the selling |
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Nov 24 2008, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Nov 24 2008, 05:49 PM) their Q3 result wasn't so bad right? Reading the OSK research paper for their 3Q report indicates that they actually made some forex losses and investment losses. And disregarding the sale of their vessel, they actually made a net loss this quarter.![]() ![]() Added on November 24, 2008, 5:51 pm Do u think it'll break 800? |
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Nov 25 2008, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Nov 24 2008, 10:46 PM) should be around MAR-APR Look down a few more lines and see the un-realised loss in quoted investment is RM60mil. ![]() ![]() i'm wondering isn't it we normally put the loss in () rather than the gain? btw, the investment loss is not too bad right? below its NTA mean < 1.84? The loss is also noted in their financial notes in the quarterly report. |
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Nov 25 2008, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Nov 25 2008, 11:09 AM) For those who bought foreign shares through local brokers,are you aware that in most instances,your shares are kept under the broker's name in the foreign country? Well that would suck then. But then goes the same with any other banking entity that does not have government guarantee.What if the local and/or the foreign broker goes into financial distress?This is a concern to me and I believe this is a grey area under Malaysian laws. |
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Nov 25 2008, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(dilla @ Nov 25 2008, 06:24 PM) I am trapped ....and holding on to Tenaga,,Scomi,,,Kinstel,, Iris and MKland...anyone outthere who can assist and advise me what to do with these folio... Wow talk about bad luck. Those were affected badly after the elections. Tenaga you can keep, because no matter what they will slowly climb up. Kinstel I suppose is still ok right? Steel company but since the prices of steel have dropped, so need time to rebound albeit slower. Scomi no comment. Iris lagi no comment. MKland never heard of them . |
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Nov 27 2008, 10:42 AM
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Nov 27 2008, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 27 2008, 05:07 PM) I sold at 2.44 hehe I see you haven't paid any tuition fees yet. Your perception of stock market will change after that normally. If I don't sell, I won't be able to sleep peacefully tonight. This is my 2nd trade to date. I realize day trading is a fulltime job. I can only day trade when I am on leave. |
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