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deja-vu
post May 26 2010, 06:43 PM

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GENEVA -- In the rarefied world of watch collecting, where Wall Street investment bankers and Asian millionaires buy and sell at auctions, a timepiece can command a higher price than a luxury car. At an April event here, a 1950s Omega platinum watch sold for $351,000, a price that conferred a new peak of prestige on a brand known for mass-produced timepieces.
Watch magazines and retailers hailed the sale, at an auction in the lush Mandarin Oriental Hotel on the River Rhone. Omega trumpeted it, announcing that a "Swiss bidder" had offered "the highest price ever paid for an Omega watch at auction."
What Omega did not say: The buyer was Omega itself.
Antiquorum sometimes stages auctions for a single brand, joining with the watchmakers to organize them, in events at which the makers often bid anonymously. This is a technique of which Patek Philippe and other famous brands, as well, have availed themselves.
"It's an entirely different approach to promoting a brand," says the cofounder of Antiquorum, Osvaldo Patrizzi, "Auctions are much stronger than advertising." Mr. Patrizzi worked with Omega executives for two years on the auction, publishing a 600-page glossy catalog and throwing a fancy party in Los Angeles to promote the event. "We are collaborators," he says.
But now there's ferment in the world of watch auctions. First, they're starting to raise ethical questions, even within the industry. "A lot of the public doesn't know that the biggest records have been made by the companies themselves," says Georges-Henri Meylan, chief executive of Audemars Piguet SA, a high-end Swiss watchmaker. "It's a bit dangerous."
More unsettling, Antiquorum's Mr. Patrizzi, who essentially founded the business of watch auctions, is under fire by the house he cofounded. Its board ousted Mr. Patrizzi as chairman and chief executive two months ago -- and hired auditors to scour the books.
The business of auctions for collectibles is not a model of transparency. The identities of most bidders are known only to the auction houses. Sellers commonly have a "reserve," or minimum, price, and when the bidding is below that, the auctioneer often will bid anonymously on the seller's behalf. However, the most established houses, such as Christie's International PLC, announce when the seller of an item keeps bidding on it after the reserve price has been reached.
Omega's president, Stephen Urquhart, says the company is not hiding the fact that Omega anonymously bid and bought at an auction. He says Omega bought the watches so it could put them in its museum in Bienne, Switzerland. "We didn't bid for the watches just to bid. We bid because we really wanted them," he says. Omega's parent, Swatch Group Ltd., declined to comment.
Through the auctions, Swiss watchmakers have found a solution to a challenge shared by makers of luxury products from jewelry to fashion: getting their wares perceived as things of extraordinary value, worth an out-of-the-ordinary price. When an Omega watch can be sold decades later for more than its original price, shoppers for new ones will be readier to pay up. "If you can get a really good auction price, it gives the illusion that this might be a good buy," says Al Armstrong, a watch and jewelry retailer in Hartford, Conn.
Niche watchmakers have used the auction market for years to raise their profiles and prices, mainly among collectors. As mainstream brands like Omega embrace auctions, increasing numbers of consumers are affected by the higher prices.
Omega and Antiquorum got together at the end of 2004. The watchmaker was struggling to restore its cachet. Omega once equaled Rolex as a brand with appeal to both collectors and consumers, but in the 1980s, Omega sought to compete with cheap Asian-made electronic quartz watches by making quartz timepieces itself. Omega closed most of its production of the fine mechanical watches for which Switzerland was famed, tarnishing its image.
A decade later, Omega tried to revive its luster by reintroducing high-end mechanical models. It raised prices and signed on model Cindy Crawford and Formula 1 driver Michael Schumacher for ads. When this gambit failed to lure the biggest spenders, Omega turned to a man who could help.
Mr. Patrizzi, 62 years old, had gone to work at a watch-repair shop in Milan at 13 after the death of his father, dropping out of school. He later moved to the watchmaking center of Geneva, at first peddling vintage timepieces from stands near watch museums.
He founded Antiquorum, originally called Galerie d'Horlogerie Ancienne, in the early 1970s with a partner. At the time, auctions of used watches were rare, in part because it was hard to authenticate them. But Mr. Patrizzi knew how to examine the watches' intricate movements and identify whether they were genuine.
At first, prominent watchmakers were wary. Mr. Patrizzi approached Philippe Stern, whose family owns one of the most illustrious brands, Patek Philippe, and proposed a "thematic auction" featuring only Pateks. The pitch: Patek would participate as a seller, helping drum up interest, and also as a buyer. A strong result would allow Patek to market its wares not just as fine watches but as auction-grade works of art.
The first Patek auction in 1989 featured 301 old and new watches, with Mr. Patrizzi's assessments, and fetched $15 million. Mr. Stern became a top Patrizzi client, buying hundreds of Patek watches at Antiquorum auctions, sometimes at record prices. The brand's retail prices soared. Over the next decade, the company began charging about $10,000 for relatively simple models and more than $500,000 for limited-edition pieces with elaborate functions known in the watch world as "complications."
Patek began promoting its watches as long-term investments. "You never actually own a Patek Philippe," ads read. "You merely look after it for the next generation." Mr. Stern says he bid on used Patek watches as part of a plan to open a company museum in 2001. Building that collection, he says, was key to preserving and promoting the watchmaker's heritage, the brand's most valuable asset with consumers. "Certainly, through our action, we have been raising prices," he says.
Auctions gradually became recognized as marketing tools. Brands ranging from mass-producers like Rolex and Omega to limited-production names like Audemars Piguet and Gerald Genta flocked to the auction market with Antiquorum and other houses. Cartier and Vacheron Constantin, both owned by the Cie. Financière Richemont SA luxury-goods group in Geneva, have starred in separate single-brand auctions organized by Mr. Patrizzi.
"Patek opened a lot of doors for us, but we also opened a lot of doors for Patek," he says.


More at http://thewatchery.blogspot.com/2007/10/invisible-hand.html

I never knew that patek phillippe, Audemars Piguet and Omega are involved in outbidding and buying their own watches at record prices in auction houses to create brand awareness and increase its own prestige.

Dubious and almost outright unethical, nevertheless clever.


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post May 26 2010, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(deja-vu @ May 26 2010, 06:43 PM)
More at http://thewatchery.blogspot.com/2007/10/invisible-hand.html

I never knew that patek phillippe, Audemars Piguet and Omega are involved in outbidding and buying their own watches at record prices in auction houses to create brand awareness and increase its own prestige.

Dubious and almost outright unethical, nevertheless clever.
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Is the recent news that Patek watch that sells for million is bid by Patek makers?
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post May 26 2010, 11:53 PM

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hi all watch lovers haha i nvr thought here got a watch thread

just want to ask does all watch automatic movement can wind their watches?
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post May 27 2010, 01:09 AM

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Is your 5130 in yellow gold? It sure looks like yellow gold. Do you know that the ref. 5130 was never released in yellow gold? smile.gif Mind showing us the caseback please. Would love to see the cal. 240. smile.gif Btw, welcome to the forums! We are all NOT serious watch collectors here (non-WIS). We trade in lowly brands like Ball, Rollies and Omegas. For PP's you have better luck in the timezone forums.

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Greeting to all sifu notworthy.gif .

I m a newbie in acquiring Swiss watches, NOT a serious watch collector..........hopefully, won't upset anyone biggrin.gif !

In my possession, inc Patek Philippe 5056P, 5059YG, 5130R & 4958YG (wife); Rolex Oyster Peptual Datejust YG/SS male & female pair & Daytona SS. Daily beater uses CardioSport Heart Rate Monitor, Alain Delon DateQuartz, Citizen Quartz or Petaling Street's cheapies. Future target: PP 5711/1A, 5980/1A, 5970P ..............................or 5951P ..........................  drool.gif If I can be so lucky.  I was offered the 5167/1A, but, will give it a miss, 'cos not appetising enough shakehead.gif ! Again, I m only acquiring its for interest, NOT a keen collector like William Massenna et al.

Wrist shot of the PP5130R
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Qn: Anyone know whether there are any outlet selling legitimate, pre-owned Swiss watches, which come with original certificate in KL? NOT those "hot", stolen stuff in the "gold"/pawn shop!

BTW, never come across Patek Philippe Aquanaut presented as 5076. Need some educating from some highly respected sifu notworthy.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif . Moreover, IMHO, both JLC & A Lange are great watches in their own league, & beyond a shadow of doubt, can compete head on with the BIG 4 Swiss watches thumbup.gif .

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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ May 27 2010, 01:09 AM)
Is your 5130 in yellow gold? It sure looks like yellow gold. Do you know that the ref. 5130 was never released in yellow gold? smile.gif Mind showing us the caseback please. Would love to see the cal. 240. smile.gif Btw, welcome to the forums! We are all NOT serious watch collectors here (non-WIS). We trade in lowly brands like Ball, Rollies and Omegas. For PP's you have better luck in the timezone forums.
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TQ 4 ur concern, this is not a replica, registered it as soon as i acquired fr the AD in KLCC few years ago.

Is 5130R, rose gold. I much prefer the white gold or platinum model, less conspicuous, which can wear daily without attracting uninvited attention. However, both appeared few months later, my luck sad.gif!. At that time, grabbed whatever was avail, as 5130 has limited circa in SEA, as compared to other PP. Well, i m contended smile.gif .

Only 5131Y come in yellow gold, and, "by invitation only" by the Stern's family. Heard only one piece was allocated to HK, none in Malaysia or S'pore, unless thru' the gray market. notworthy.gif

Here is the blurr shot fr hp showing the Calibre 240 HU mini rotor:

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post May 27 2010, 02:52 PM

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Where do you service your watch. I have to send it back to Sincere to service my dad's old ref. 5035 (pre-silicon mainspring version). Took them several months to hand it back to me. They told me they have to send it back to Singapore but the service center there found the winding rotor kaput so they have to send it to switzerland. Back there, they found that the watch has water logged inside it and the case has pits in it, so they have to change the whole damn movement inside. My dad took it swimming a few times without my knowledge. It was a retirement present to him from me 10 years ago. Now he just keeps the damn thing inside his safe after I told him the repair bill came up to RM10k. hehe. I finally got him a Seamaster GMT Co-Axial 300m so he can play golf and swim in it the whole day. Pictures will be up as soon as I get back home from the office.

QUOTE(jamesw @ May 27 2010, 02:08 PM)
TQ 4 ur concern, this is not a replica, registered it as soon as i acquired fr the AD in KLCC few years ago.

Is 5130R, rose gold. I much prefer the white gold or platinum model, less conspicuous, which can wear daily without attracting uninvited attention. However, both appeared few months later, my luck sad.gif!. At that time, grabbed whatever was avail, as 5130 has limited circa in SEA, as compared to other PP. Well, i m contended smile.gif .

Only 5131Y come in yellow gold, and, "by invitation only" by the Stern's family. Heard only one piece was allocated to HK, none in Malaysia or S'pore, unless thru' the gray market. notworthy.gif

Here is the blurr shot fr hp showing the Calibre 240 HU mini rotor:

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post May 28 2010, 03:38 PM

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lets share more on this moody day ....
introducing my lasak daily basher ...
went into freezer for couple of hours for COSC testing ... brows.gif brows.gif

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post May 28 2010, 05:50 PM

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i notice there is no frank muller ownders here >.<
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post Jun 2 2010, 12:23 PM

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greetings to all si fu..
I will like to know if to service the Tag HEuer Aquaracer quartz model, roughly how much will it be?
Service Inclusive polish the scratches on the bracelet. roughhly how much?

the timepiece was not service before since 2007.
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post Jun 2 2010, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(aliluya @ Jun 2 2010, 12:23 PM)
greetings to all si fu..
I will like to know if to service the Tag HEuer Aquaracer quartz model, roughly how much will it be?
Service Inclusive polish the scratches on the bracelet. roughhly how much?

the timepiece was not service before since 2007.
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My friend brought his Tag back to LVMH for battery change and basic service for RM120.
Polishing not sure how much.

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QUOTE(deja-vu @ May 26 2010, 06:43 PM)
More at http://thewatchery.blogspot.com/2007/10/invisible-hand.html

I never knew that patek phillippe, Audemars Piguet and Omega are involved in outbidding and buying their own watches at record prices in auction houses to create brand awareness and increase its own prestige.

Dubious and almost outright unethical, nevertheless clever.
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This is outrageous doh.gif


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post Jun 6 2010, 04:18 AM

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QUOTE(legolas1118 @ Jun 2 2010, 07:41 PM)
This is outrageous  doh.gif
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not found another post someone to verify that blog....
U cannot believe everything U read... esp its a blog.


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QUOTE(aliluya @ Jun 2 2010, 12:23 PM)
greetings to all si fu..
I will like to know if to service the Tag HEuer Aquaracer quartz model, roughly how much will it be?
Service Inclusive polish the scratches on the bracelet. roughhly how much?

the timepiece was not service before since 2007.
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time to get battery change! leak on U and you end up paying more money.


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post Jun 6 2010, 06:44 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jun 6 2010, 04:18 AM)
not found another post someone to verify that blog....
U cannot believe everything U read... esp its a blog.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1191787531...=hpp_us_pageone

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It was printed in the wall street journal.

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QUOTE(deja-vu @ Jun 6 2010, 06:44 AM)
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This happens in ANY auction, not just watches, i believe. doh.gif
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What is the lowest price for a Patek Philippe watch. Do other people can straight away knows if i'm wearing a fake Patek Philippe?
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QUOTE(deja-vu @ Jun 6 2010, 06:44 AM)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1191787531...=hpp_us_pageone

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It was printed in the wall street journal.


thanx! since its legit to do so, seller are happy with selling it at a high price right? the more reason to get a cool LE PP and wait a few yrs sell it back to PP at a huge profit!
or is it PP is selling back to PP, boasting high price and is willing to pay the commission to auction house? that would be a lost right.

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At first, prominent watchmakers were wary. Mr. Patrizzi approached Philippe Stern, whose family owns one of the most illustrious brands, Patek Philippe, and proposed a "thematic auction" featuring only Pateks. The pitch: Patek would participate as a seller, helping drum up interest, and also as a buyer. A strong result would allow Patek to market its wares not just as fine watches but as auction-grade works of art.

The first Patek auction in 1989 featured 301 old and new watches, with Mr. Patrizzi's assessments, and fetched $15 million. Mr. Stern became a top Patrizzi client, buying hundreds of Patek watches at Antiquorum auctions, sometimes at record prices. The brand's retail prices soared. Over the next decade, the company began charging about $10,000 for relatively simple models and more than $500,000 for limited-edition pieces with elaborate functions known in the watch world as "complications."


Source: the same previous article


I guess you are right! better get those limited edition ones. nod.gif
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QUOTE(deja-vu @ Jun 11 2010, 04:20 AM)
Source: the same previous article
I guess you are right! better get those limited edition ones. nod.gif
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There is no such thing as LE PP; only Limited Production PP, likewise apply to VC. Be great if "LE" PP can be obtain so easily like AP ROO, can be multi-millionaire without sweating it out liao, LOL rclxms.gif

Usually, one need to own a string of different lines of PP, regd 'em with PP Geneva, scrutinized by P Stern, b4 u receive an invitation letter to buy the Limited Production model. Very few peoples have the honour to receive such letter! cry.gif
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There is no such thing as LE PP; only Limited Production PP, likewise apply to VC.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. nod.gif
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post Jun 11 2010, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(jamesw @ Jun 11 2010, 12:04 PM)
There is no such thing as LE PP; only Limited Production PP, likewise apply to VC. Be great if "LE" PP can be obtain so easily like AP ROO, can be multi-millionaire without sweating it out liao, LOL rclxms.gif

Usually, one need to own a string of different lines of PP, regd 'em with PP Geneva, scrutinized by P Stern, b4 u receive an invitation letter to buy the Limited Production model. Very few peoples have the honour to receive such letter! cry.gif
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true... I guess we should use the right and appropriate term here.. but u get the drift..
have big $$, no worries about getting those letter. how many ppl in that CAt.. sad to say are few.

anyway, limited production is mainly due to the fact few ppl can afford it..
PP, VC all alway ppl to custom design their watches so long U can afford to pay.

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