Hopfully its not late, ML Pontos, usually based on ETA 2824-2.

1) Don't get this qns. if U had it fully wound, watch will run approx 38-42hrs b4 it stops. if u are wearing it for sometime and didn't wear it, watch may stop after 24hrs or 10hrs. all depends on your activity and how much it wound it up.

2) once U wound the watch, it should start moving, U don't have to shake it. If U do, something is WRONG with the watch. I suggest I take it in. In fact when U lift up the watch, it should get some "energy" to make the watch tick.

3) All the watches based of ETA 2824 family winding helps. if U can only get it moving thru moving. Again, something isn't RIGHT. Do take it IN ASAP to get it check!!!

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Added on August 5, 2009, 12:23 amif I am not wrong, U gotto pay TAX! just check out stowa website and their forum.

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Added on August 5, 2009, 12:28 amOris? Sorry, resale value isn't there.
prices of new watches always go up... basic Econ rules.. Inflation.
watches that are equiped with ETA based movement usually cannot hold their value.
oris watches usually regulated at 3 positions, Rolex 5.
oris today is going with Sellita movement to keep cost low, so don't expect high or good resale value.

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Added on August 5, 2009, 12:36 am4mth+ past, so what the update? got an exchange?
new and fall off, its a Lemon! esp its just 1 mth old.
if they don't exchange, write in to Omega nicely.
anyway, I hope everything worked out well today.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 5 2009, 12:36 AM

sure, not all are using Sellita.. some, in time they will all be.
should check out this Frends of Oris forum. a wealth of info
http://www.friendsoforis.com/forum/index.p...5415&hl=Sellita
http://www.friendsoforis.com/forum/index.p...2628&hl=Sellita

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 16 2009, 08:58 PM

mido and Tag...
didn't mido use base eta movements.. also mass manufact case etc what.
price and value mido anyday.

tag has bigger sales vol, so when U do hear more problems kinda natural. whats the % wise?

how much better is a Soprod A-10 to an 2892? I understand its a complete redesign to compete with 2892.

I got to agree with BikerVoodoo, go for the movement OWC does offer a great deal. of course not much brand to brag.
kinda like http://www.mkiiwatches.com or www.stowa.com

why not jump on the ML deal, 50% off.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1189345/+20

black on black still in!
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2008_0...8_162.pdfSoprod

This post has been edited by patryn33: Oct 29 2009, 05:23 AM

watch value depreciate fast! just check out pre-own or those grey market.
numerous branded watches go below half their retail if U are selling to pre own dealer, even limited edition Tag, Ball, Omega etc.
want something that will make $$, buy those US$100K items.
or today get those us$10-20K panerai or certain Rolex ( Daytona, sea dweller maybe today). still lose money but not that much.
eg: Rolex Sub retails around 18k (usually no discount) sell privately can get around 16K, if U sell to dealer most likely lose another few thousand
Rolex 16234 used around 7K if U can find privately, a newer model (not much design change) today cost around 18k.

Panerai is a in thing today kinda like Graham watches 10-15yrs ago do hold value real well. Fad over also same like most brands.
else get a pre-own! the damage already absorb by the 1st dude.
for those who love the smell of new watch and box.. thats a big No-No.

get those ulu brand such as the below selling on fourm may catch better deal, dealer I think sure give U super bad deal
Bernhardt, new US$479, resale on WUS was US$330
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=323314
MKII new around us$600, sold around US$485
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=318255

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 4 2009, 12:15 PM

true, factor inflation, etc.. he may not be able to get 1 without paying addition few Ks. its not like u can sell and get a newer model without chipping in.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 4 2009, 11:01 PM

hmm... when shop sell 12000rm thats before or after discount.
when u sell 8000rm will it come with AD stamp on warranty card? or are U letting go as grey market watch?

just make it a habit to give it 10 turns everytime u wear your watch. Its a pretty common issue.

next time get 1 with pwr reserve so U can know whats going on.

I doubt is a matter with lazy but Habit.
when it totally stop, not only U need to give it a good turn, U also need to set those hands.
some ppl make a pt to wind it early in the morning, 10 good turn shouldnt take more than 10sec. others may choose to wind it while they are making CAKE in the bathroom! its certainly more effective than giving your arm a good ten shake.

another alternative is get a watch winder, set it there when U are not wearing.

Mido is still around and strong in other parts of the world such as Thailand. understand the swatch group, maybe the only brand that use unMOD ETA movements and had alot of them COSC certified. A great value for $$ watch.

today, ppl go for Tag, Ball, Sinn, Rolex in this region. how many actually go for Ulu "cheap" brand. ppl wanna wear a watch and catch attention from their pals man. A seiko with the bells and whistle catch more attention compare to a Mido.
dont get me wrong I own a Vintage Mido and I love that watch!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 18 2009, 12:57 AM

care to share whats on your wrist?

well U should say generally RM10K watches uses ETA base movement. Some brands do a little more, maybe add a module, change the design a little or finishing the movement etc. depending on the watch U get even ETA do come in several grades. that dude regulating the watch play an impt role too. COSC certified watches such as Rolex, those movement are certified b4 assembling it in a watch! Cock up dude putting it together may make a small mistake and U are getting a watch that is not running in COSC spec. Dec Issue watch time just featured a very expensive watch that just happen to fall in this Category. even if u send it in, U wouldn't know if your watch is running within COSC spec.

better watch case does not mean the material it is made in, just read from a different forum a gal's Rolex rusted! Rolex claims they use better steel and still can rust from her sweat! thats just insane! sweat more corrosive than sea water! anyway, the rust found is confirm by Rolex authorize service centre.

the extra $$ spend maybe the finishing of the case. ppl say pouring molten steel into a mold isn't as good as crafting it out of a solid steel block. whats the diff I don't know the physics of it. finishing of the links or the quality of the leather. all said and done, most of the $$ are indeed paid into other area of the biz, advertising for an example.

well the lady's rolex rusted on the bezel, and its not a vintage watch just around 3yrs old.

I meant which watch did U sent in for service?

retail prices are retail prices. how many ppl buy at retail today. know your source and U get watches at huge discounts over retails. buy from AD, U need to pay the cost of the warranty too. when AD can offer steep discounts to grey market deals U know the base price watch manufacturer sold to retail shops isnt that high. Not in this industry so not sure the relationship how those $$ work out.

finishing of the movement in swiss, where cost of labour is high.. adding of additional module.. some are inhouse.. R&D cost do add up. over inflated cost. No sure why to tell. CEO, VP etc all want big pay checks, marketing often cost alot of $$$. although whats goes inside maybe small compared to these.
as for aesthetic enhancement such as blue screws they are very costly to make. from what I read the yield is around 10%. so tons of rejects and waste.

ppl on this thread are buying expensive stuff.. so sharing a deal here from watchtime.com

should have a thread just on Rolex!

+1 here,
I rather wait for panarei to become full manufacture and then get the classics
today.. no.. so what if they mod 50-60% of those 7750.
entry level inhouse P9000 cost around US$8K not really a bomb for a inhouse movement with all the bells and whistles , Panerai Base Logo (PAM00000) around US$3.5k.

LOL... 50yrs old would be standard discount 25-30% + 50% (age) => which they cap discount at 50%.

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Added on December 15, 2009, 3:22 amwell, its only on all their masterpiece collection not price.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 15 2009, 03:22 AM

no pt asking here, U're better off asking on sites such as watchuseek, timezone, watchnet etc.

ebay is ok.. if U found its fake can contact seller to get it refund. or have ebay track it down. its safer to deal with North America/European sellers.
I know watchmaker here that have bought watches on ebay (seller southeast asia), found that items isn't as described still can get it square away. of course its a pain in the butt and U may to worry for days.. is it worth the savings U decide.

if U are looking at new models today u are seeing more online grey market sellers selling on ebay.

jamkoleksi this blogger http://jamkoleksi.blogspot.com/

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Added on December 20, 2009, 10:48 amdidn't know there are russian Pammy.. didn't come across any on this thread
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.ph...527346#poststop

not promoting seller.. but its 1 of those once popular ones on ebay. I read those on those Asian made Unitas 6497 with swan neck regulator is better than those auto chinese movements. not sure how true, nonetheless my buddy pwr reserve auto hommy broke within a yr.

gotchawatch@yahoo.com
http://s525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/r...rina%20Watches/


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 20 2009, 10:48 AM

for someone how had worked in the states for almost a decade, one can jump into this conclusion and bold it... wow..
when someone said didn't know there is 1 around does not mean it don't exist.
nonetheless glad u can share.
as for the logic behind... work in usa, thus what 1 said must be true. seriously flawed reasoning.
Madoff work in usa all his life, ppl give him billions of dollars.. still..what happened.

anyway, i am glad u can cite your claims with link!
cheers

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Added on December 22, 2009, 5:49 amjorg gray, its citizen.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 22 2009, 06:07 AM

I know he was given this watch. however from what I read he was seen most freq wearing the secret service watch, others (forum dudes) joked due to the poor econ he may have pawn the vulcain! any pics of him wearing this Vulcain to share?