I'm doing this so we can get the numbers down and come to a proper conclusion. Rally support if you may just make sure they have actually played a match or two on either Mods and rulesets. If you don't know what this poll is about, please do not post your irrelevant comments here. To those who do know what this is about, be free to voice out your HONEST opinion and please think very carefully about it before you do so. Any spam WILL be reported.

EDIT: Taken from Post #200.

EDIT: Please at least post what you've voted for just for confirmation. I voted for promod.

Thank you.

-FsN|t3quila

This post has been edited by t3quila: Oct 23 2008, 08:43 AM

I honestly don't like the weapon setting for Promod, because it's like CS with better graphics and nosway is gay. Also, a sniper that can move while sniping is just gay. I won't say I vote for PAM4 either, instead of banning weapons they should just handicap them. Like nade launches have shorter ranges and fly in god forsaken random directions, P90 damage reduced and the firing rate is reduced + the the recoil should be taken up by like, say x2? Skorpion should be made less accurate. Frag x3... Okay that is just gay, IW should just take it out altogether with Flash/Stun x3. RPG? I have nothing to say about it, it shouldn't be able to fire downwards that's for sure.

EDIT : I voted for Pam4

This post has been edited by snipaboy: Oct 18 2008, 07:58 PM

So how do we know why and who are the people who voted for which and what? For all I know, it could be the same person with multiple accounts continuously voting for the same thing. Why not make it a compulsory rule to ask the person who voted to post what he voted? For what I voted, I voted for PAM 4.01.

EDIT: Ah screw the dam poll, there are people who voted but don't post and ppl who post but null their votes. I ish don't care liao.

This post has been edited by Mr.Pikachu: Oct 19 2008, 01:15 AM

I agree with Pika, post edited.

I think I've explained most of my points in other threads already.

Promod =/= CS
Claymore = Gay
Some perks make certain strats imba. (5 man dead silence wuthefk)


Voted : Promod

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Oct 18 2008, 08:06 PM

I wanna see both combined.
I'd like to see combination of both which weapon banned is only P90, GL, and all semi-auto sniper rifles. Perks are using Promod standard, so it'd balance the game. Sway using PAM4 mod of course, no sway is gay, seriously.

Regards,
[XEF]syNc

i would like PROMOD!!

True. No sway is gay. LMG's should be banned too IMO.

dont hide inside semenanjung oni lar~
go promod xD

Promod = CS ... why should we make the game like other game ? COD4 has perk for it is becos are part of the game .. we take it out, it will same like CS d ... so what the point for playing COD4 ?

I vote for PAM4 mod

promod maybe ?

Voted PROMOD v3~!!

Ever heard of Bombsquad to counter claymore.....
And all we have 2 do is limit the deadsilence =.= (1 per team)
Dude claymore isnt gay....there are ways to counter a claymore.....Its like saying banning the f***ing ak-47 for cs. Or banning BINDING CONFIGS..... OHHHHH wait isnt the desert for cs a one shot kill if you kena the head? like wtf damnnnn unfair for something damn cheap right. wtf ban the desert lar then weii. oh wait sryyyy the bullets are more expensive than the other pistol bullets right? ohhh thats why its not banned cause its balancedddddd.......If your the kind of nagger that wants 2 ban something because its gay then why play the game at all......NOTE YOU CAN COUNTER THIS *GAY* perk....by using something called Bomb squad WHICH IN OTHER WORDS MAKES IT BALANCED. And yea all you have to do is turn ure mouse and check the corners..... hahahaha

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Added on October 19, 2008, 12:59 amOh shit no sway is gay.....f***ing hell boys its time to make a new mod ASAP NO SWAY = GAY. f*** MAN CALL THE POOOOLICE WE HAVE FOUND SOMETHING *GAY*.....just like the claymore........ LMG are imba?...... dude honestly i have to say now that you a player that cant play games the way its suppose to be..... have u even played COD2.....COMPETITIVELY. OMFG just because a certain is good at what its suppose to do u call it gay. Seriously DONT PLAY ANY MORE PC GAMES. GO FOOS or something. Dont you dare start CS cause the ak-47 is f***ing gay cause of its super duper accuracy. Dont you start playing CS S cause any damage to the head with any weapon = pain = GAY.

Omg seriously....if you guys cant stand COD4 the way it is go play back your CS S. Heard you guys were damn good when the first CS S tourneys came out. Oh yea how well did u guys do after the rest of the CS 1.6 teams started playing CS S?

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 01:12 AM

Null vote for me.

imho, both mods has their pros and cons. I don't like the removal of gun sway neither do I like the idea of banning too much weapons/perks/attachments.

Is the game balance on it's own? No. How do we know that? Coz we all have more gaming experience (in CoD4) than the developers/beta testers themselves whilst the game was still under developement. Since IW is currently busy with CoD6, we can only hope/dream/pray that IW will release a patch to fix all the crap that we're going through now. All we had ever done so far is to ban anything that is ghey and design our own mods with changes without reasoning or even considering the consequences of the changes that was done.

Lets take for example, this upcoming WGT ruleset. What bothers me the most is the fact that hardcore hp will be changed to 60. This will render stopping power redundant. For those who have completely no idea what I'm trying to rant, plz visit www.xanga.com/DenKirson. Den (the author of that site) had summarised all the technical stuffs in the game's file into layman's terms.

Now, for my quarter cent opinion, I think all of us (the Malaysian CoD4 community), should gather at a round table, sip a cup of coffee, and discuss reasonable changes to be implemented for tournaments while considering the consequences of those changes.

Peace out.... plz dun flame me

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 19 2008, 01:09 AM

I never actually really played promod proper b4. But i ve seen it.
Guns with no sway. Playas gliding around d map.
I wud agree that it is NOT CS. But it brings huge similiarities.

I love the current game bcuz it s realistic. Nobody can hold his gun aiming down scope without feeling tired. Hence gunsway imho is really quite realistic.

For me i don't see any other imba perks other than the one s banned already.

Claymore gay? In d words of Captain Price: "check those corners"
I think he meant to check for ppl and claymores too.

I vote pam4.

Promod like CS la.... cod have something different from cs and more fun from cs... dont take the fun in cod....dont turn the cod to cs...plz dont

I VOTED = pam4

Look, its really simple. If you don't like the way activision has added all these extra things like perks and customising your weapons, then just don't even bother playing the game. Why take away any of the perks or weapons at all? It's what makes the game special in the first place, if these are taken away it just makes the game another point and click fps. Everything is there for added realism, so yeah if you really don't like the way CoD4 is the way it is, just stick to Counter Strike

Okay this is getting lame. Did you guys copy each others notes and decided to post the same excuse over and over?

Come up with something better will you. I'm not the enemy here. Outside this country there are higher standards.

The problem is not the standards, the problem is that you fail to meet them. Hence you're just being fool.

Even Mr.T would think so. The choice is up to everyone here. I've casted my vote already. Now its your turn.

Hmm, both mod i dun like cause it's modified from cod4. lol. i prefer the normal one like the 1st tourney at tbun aman suria. and no hardcore it's better.

sometimes i agree with t3quila...

This post has been edited by sawakita9: Oct 19 2008, 01:50 AM

the higher standards outside this country (Europe....) has started losing their COD4 divisions (Example TEK-9). WHY.......apparently it got 2 boring...... COD4 is currently dying in Europe and America for your information...... Dude we arent *Did you guys copy each others notes and decided to post the same excuse over and over?*. Sorry but WE ALL DONT WANNA CHANGE COD4 INTO ANOTHER GAME. AND BY TAKING AWAY THE PERKS U TAKE AWAY THE GAME. f***ING HELL TAKE THE f***ING GUNS OUT OF CS S LAR WEI

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 01:54 AM

i also voted null but i will support the Pam4 rule set till the last drop of my digital blood(yea im that lame).I highly agree that pro mod is good and all but it takes away the essence of CoD4,like the above people have stated the pro mod simplifies alot of matters in SnD but i think that CoD 4 is MORE then just SnD. I mean other mods test thier team differently such as Dom and TDM in ways that SnD cant......

All and all if some how the world fall apart and only promod is left obviously i will play it and see how far i can go with it....BUT TILL THAT HAPPPENS HEED MY WORDS I WILL FIGHT FOR PAM4/OUR RULES SET BLOOD BY BLOOD

cheers

[ESP].Ho|yboy


ps: its not "blitzone" rules its the rule set decided by the COMMUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY so i think it should be called "pam4- Malaysian Rules"

This post has been edited by Holyboyz: Oct 19 2008, 01:54 AM

Ok, I'll change it now.

u mean with 3Xnades 3Xstun.....cannot la.the original cod4 is not made for competitive play.this is wat alot of people fail to understand.the game is made by IW such away people who play the game can have fun playing public servers.modifications like pam4 n promod r needed to make the game balance for competitive gaming.

i really dunno wat to vote for cause i am somewhere in between both local ruleset n promod but since promod means a more balanced competitive gameplay i voted for it.i still feel the local ruleset is fun though n i dont mind playing it.the local ruleset is still not a finished story n i believe further modification from further meetings can make the ruleset more balanced.we have come along way from the tbun tourney pls dun even think about going back.i feel dead silence so be totally removed cause footsteps is a key element in any fps.

oops cannot change..

walao quack relaxla.dun so emo.just state ur points enough alrdy.



haha nvm la free advert for blitz hahahaha.

lol epic failzor!!!! hehe

hahaha... yeah... i forgot about the 3X nades and 3X stuns. hahaha that one 100% sure ban.

this post really interesting.

Lol do you know a claymore can be used as another player? It's not only used to kill people. It can guard an entrance as well. No one ever said the clays were gay because of the killing, think more openly please. Your thoughts are so shallow.

LMG is stupid because you have 100 ammo ready to spam and wall bang. It's almost like a rifle type P90.

And we can't stand the rules in PAM4, not the game. You're saying European and American countries can't stand COD as well. (Wtf?)

Other countries are using Promod so why don't you move along with the world instead of being so defiant? How stupid can you be when you say we can't stand COD when we're following international rulesets to improve ourselves, to take part in international events while you still play your PAM4?

If perks like Dead Silence are the 'fun' part of COD then I suggest YOU should stop playing. Perks might be the fun part but they also give you a bloody gay advantage. It's fine if you want to play with perks but make sure you know how to ban them. The fact that DS isn't banned is just stupid. And don't give me some smart ass way to counter DS because it's 90% uncounterable under a good player.

Apparently you have no f***ing idea what you're talking about (and neither do I). All you're doing is ranting. I suggest you post constructively and not like a troll

FYI FsN's CSS team is still dominating. Show's how invalid your argument is. You don't even know the facts you use against people.

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Oct 19 2008, 02:06 AM

Save it Strayfe. You've already proven your point. Lets see what they have to say.

agreed enuf spams moar voting plox and let keep it to ONE VOTE ONE POST


PS: IF ur not satisfied with the current perks/rules i suggest u join us at the next meeting then say your views ^^ should be conducted after WGT because the current rules cant be changed due to it already being posted up.

Aye, i vouch for quack. not bcos he is in the same clan or he's a fren to me but he speaks the truth and fact. I prefer our originality from the blitzone torney whereby all leaders from COD4 clan came and discuss on how we set our rules and reg b4 we start to follow Europeans. y not make the Europeans follow our trend instead? Pam4 / promod makes cod4 exactly like cs. So what difference does it shows compare to both Cod 4 and CS? Let us malaysians be special our own ways and we'll see how other countries adapt to OUR rules and reg.

basically there was a point whereby after SRC torney, most teams had a meeting whereby they all came to an agreement that this pam4 mod have been agreed to be used on WGT and further tournaments.

SWL Grr also said b4 "Basically why is there so many mods try to make game closer to cs the purpose is to attract competitive cs player over to a similar kind of platform and just replace cs with cod4. Also to have all the players to be playing on the same level with no perks/attachments avantage, purely fight it out with tactical sense, teamwork and skill level.

The reason why SG community is following the international ruleset is probably becos if u have own local community ruleset it will be appealing to your own community since the community decide on it. If u wan to attract foreign teams or play in an international competitions u/foreign teams will be @ a disadvantage since u are not familiar with the ruleset hence they will have no interests in joining as well. Main part of it is also becus singapore cod4 community is small so we need to attract nearby teams to support the competitions as well."

And i've said this b4 and i will say it again, international rules or malaysian rules, a good player nvr complains about it but just adapt to it and be the best of it.

As for me personally, i've played both international rules and malaysian rules and i'm alrite with the rules and reg. But in international rules and reg, there's no gun sway which makes it imbalance whereby the origin of the game is taken away. Cod4 shows a more realistic game play and creates a war-like view.
Not tryin to be one-sided but Cod4 is more realistic whereby guns actually recoil and as for snipers the gun sways. taking away the gun sway enables players to aim easily. for example, snipers has to hold their breathe to focus their aim. but they cant hold it forever which actually forces the sniper to catch their breathe and then do the same. a realistic game.

and based on what ESP death said b4,
Ladies and Gentlemen,

I would like to say something before all these things get out of hand. Firstly, if most of you remember, the rule set made in malaysia was FOR the malaysian community. It was agreed upon by numerous team leaders, not only myself, together with NewEra Malaysia to provide these rules, apply them in all upcoming local competition as a promotion to the game. We all agreed that day, that focusing on 1 game mode will kill the game, not only that, it will kill CS 1.6, which NewEra, WCG, WGT and ESWC still currently run.

Unlike singapore, the CALL OF DUTY 4 : Modern Warfare clans here are much larger. This creates a bigger gaming industry in Malaysia and i hope it will not consist of the same group of people when COD4 eventually dies out.

I helped create this community for them to be closer, heard and also allow them to play with the rules they are comfortable with. This also helps promote the game, its uniqueness and its system without limiting the game's system too much. There ARE no international rules, simply because there hasn't been an International competition, WGT is the closest we can get so far, with the Regionals & Leagues i am planning soon, we might go big. But remember that WGT is local, regardless. The reason why they use the WCG ruleset (which will be modified soon) is because they want to have a good reference for their sponsors, Intel & ASUS. The same reason why organizers f*** up the communities.

I must stress that the reason we dont use international rules is because there isn't one. Secondly, we don't need to pull players from CS, thirdly I dont WANT to. [ESP] supports gaming, that is why we try very hard not to pull players away from their games in turn, we gain their support whenever there is need for it. In order for the gaming industry to grow, there needs to be coherent support from each game, clan and community, so that sponsors and companies will be more supportive and understanding of our stature.

I want the current clans to be stronger without the need of international support but at the same time aid those countries that have limited teams.
In all honesty, i didn't like the WCG Singapore rules due to the fact that it is too close to other games, it might either kill the other games or vice versa. The core groups who played COD4 for the current rules may leave to newer games because of it and CS clans might come over, killing CS in the process.

Before applying the rulesets, please think about the future of the INDUSTRY, not the game, not your company, not your competition. THe rule set in singapore also makes it longer for games to complete, giving you time constraints as a organizer. Normal Malaysian games, although having multiple game modes, lasts from 45-60 minutes TOTAL, where as 1 game of 14 rounds in SnD with the WCG ruleset will last you an hour EACH set. Which means a game that goes to a tie breaker, might reach a total of 3 hours. IF all teams were as strong as each other, a 16 team game will last a total of 12 hours to the finals, without a group stage. A problem i faced while running the WCG in Singapore.

As an organizer, im speaking for those who had organized COD4 competitions before... DO you have the time? DO your sponsors AGREE with what you are planning? Are the competitors HAPPY with your current system? Will the SYSTEM function during the process of the competition?
A choice must be made, i hope you understand the consequences.

All i can say is, the WCG Singapore rule set had its advantages. It was easy to apply, you didnt need an expert behind the servers, so long as he knew the exec codes. But that was singapore. I don't know how it will fare here in Malaysia, since the rule sets are also ready with only required exec codes to be run.

With Highest Regards,
[ESP].Death
[ESP].Gaming,
Play Hard, Go Pro.
Gamers for Gaming.

If u cant adapt to it, dont play the game. Love the game the way it is and play it with love. *lol sounds gay*
I hereby end my discussion. Amen.

p.s. oh yes i do copy and paste some of the same excuses. .

This post has been edited by affr0boy: Oct 19 2008, 02:15 AM

The main reason for this argument is to generalize the COD rules so we can follow 1 set of rules and not play 2 separate rulesets.

I respect your post as it has points but like the saying goes, you can be the Jack of all Trades, but a Master of None.

We should only follow 1 set of rules, a set that represents the ENTIRE COD community around the world. We can adapt if we want to. But once you get too used to PAM4, you won't be as good in Promod.

Certainly,claymores aren't only used to kill people,it also involves telling the player that someone is there. Bomb skuad (my alphabet on the left of W on the keyboard is spoiled so I'm replacing it with a "k") will help prevent the guy from dying to the claymores but would of course instantly alert the planter. That does not end here. It does alert the planter but there are many other ways to use that AGAINST the planter, you have 5 players,work with each other to counteract the other team.

LMG is stupid? Maybe in S&D. Consider other modes as well.

"Other countries are using Promod so why don't you move along with the world instead of being so defiant?". This statement is really well said without thought. Why don't we move along with the world? I believe this statement was used loads of times before, do you want to be the sheep or the one leading the sheeps? Be unik.

Perks like Dead Silence I agree is somehow "imbalanced",a huge advantage over an opponent who is crouching most of the time to avoid sound against a person who can run,walk,jump,drop down,strafe standing while shooting at a person crouching. COD4 competitively in our country only started THIS year. Why change so fast to Promod? Because everyone is following it? That isn't a solid reason. You're not helping the community.

And that is all. I've voted for PAM 4.01 as stated before in my previous post. But if I were to change my vote, I would null it as well. Stated by pr8sh,we have come a long way from the first Tbun tournament with the ruleset. You might say we can still turn back and go to Promod, but no, I wouldn't agree. I would follow our community current ruleset instead of other countries ruleset. To have it balanced would need time.

This is my opinion.

[ESP].Pikachu

i wud love the uniqueness of COD 4 to REMAIN! thats wad COD is ALL ABOUT!

COD aint CS and vice versa. simple as that~ ^^

wad cod give is a total diff gameplay unlike cs. there are reasons y the perks are around to use. CS is all about gun power. but in cod all guns power and be tweaked by stopping or nurffed uav ( tactical) or jugger ( kamikaze ). thats the fun part of it. if COD is turning into CS y bother making cod in the first place? and y bother making COD a multiplayer mod?

i wud say the backbone of COD gameplay is the perks itself that seperates the diff type of gaming exp. COD is turning into CS then y dont international host games like quake 4, quake 3. that wud b another type of CS playing style rite? no gun sway. imba guns~ and such.

This post has been edited by AeonStrife: Oct 19 2008, 02:51 AM

Thou im not part of this community but as someone who have played both ruleset i would like to say something as well. Both mods have their pros and cons but at the end of the day wad is most important is not which is better than which and which mod can attract the majority community into the competitive scene. The mods is not the thing tat keeps the game going but the community itself. Most of the arguement here is all about perks/feel of cod/similar to cs should the arguement be more about the community. Honestly if there is no teams supporting the MY ruleset do u really think there will be those competition held by that ruleset? Let the community decide wad mod to play and not let the mod decide wad the community plays.

IMHO the current Malaysia Ruleset is quite good on it own, it just need alittle balancing by limiting the no. of user to some perks and guns and adding more variety of maps as more competitions is held.

Btw, JEDI is not the best but really not noob. @ least not really noob to tat extend it needs to be shown on youtube shouted by some player(i really duno who is that).

Sorry EZ,that was *ahem* someone *ahem* that *ahem* is *ahem* my *ahem* captain *ahem*. Right,more cough drops for me. It was sorta a morale boost. LOLZ. No offense intended. ^^

Nah no offence taken as long as u guys are happy. We also like to say ESP noob once in a while. *Whoops*

This post has been edited by EzPeaceZ: Oct 19 2008, 02:51 AM

Haha, dam you EZ! *throws mini uzi clip at EZ".

EDIT: Sorry tek, lol, beh tahan. I help you report Aeon,k? =D

This post has been edited by Mr.Pikachu: Oct 19 2008, 02:55 AM

saying is easy for u EZ!!! LOL

... you guys are spamming.. go report yourselves lol.

wah cb can u read my post n others 1st before u reply....i bet u just scroll through n post





like i said cod4 is modded to make it balance for competitive gameplay!!!!!game is originally designed so that majority of people that buy the game(who just bought the game to have fun instead of join tourney n join clan all) can have fun playing in public servers!!!

the question is now how much we mod cod4.no sway maybe a little 2 much n all but all these can be discussed.the key is to find the right balance n at the moment the current malaysian ruleset is not balanced which is to be expected but we are getting there.with time the community will mature n so will the ruleset as we continue to have meetings to discuss the ruleset.

wadafak~ grr

Ok fine ill say it nicely now.
"Lol do you know a claymore can be used as another player? It's not only used to kill people. It can guard an entrance as well. No one ever said the clays were gay because of the killing, think more openly please. Your thoughts are so shallow. ". Claymore = Gay . erm..........ok i see that you are trying to say that Clays ARE AND ARE NOT Gay. Ok so claymores are metrosexuals hmmmm. Ok i say again.....you can use BOMBSQUAD. Oh shit i forgot, sorry u say claymores ARE AND ARE NOT GAY because they can guard an entrance like an actual player. Well the only way is to shoot it or sprint your way in duh!. Oh shit but that means giving away your postion....awww damn! Well doesnt pro-mod allow you to have your HUD on? Oh yea it does. Aww man so if thats the case u better just CAMP AT YOUR SPAWN AND NOT FIRE A SINGLE BULLET SO THAT THE ENEMY DOESNT KNOW WHERE YOU ARE. Dude you say my thoughts are shallow..... Claymore = Gay. You are just the one being general dude........or a major hypocrite =D

"LMG is stupid because you have 100 ammo ready to spam and wall bang." It's almost like a rifle type P90." LMG is stupid.....because you have 100 ammo ready to spam and wall bang? Ermmmmm wait a minute.... isnt COD4 a team based game.......cant your teammates take down that VERY VERY VERY SLOW MOVING LMG? Dude if your team cant do what their suppose to why play COD4 competitively.....Oh wait you have a better plan right....lets all find other players that cant stand the game because its tooooo GAY to hold each others hand and play a MOD that CHANGES THE ENTIRE GAME ALLLLLLLLLL TOGETHER. Might as well change the name of the game.....

"Dead Silence are the 'fun' part of COD then I suggest YOU should stop playing." f***ing hell man your thoughts are f***kkkkkkkkkkkkinggggggg SHALLLLLLLLOOOOOOW. Since when did i say Dead Silence is the fun part of COD4. Hohoho and one more thing....it IS counterable. If your team cant properly hold, post or report for any backstabers, then your team basically sucks balls and quit playing COD4. Oh THE ALMIGHTY METROSEXUAL CLAYMORE can counter the backstaber.....DUH!

"FYI FsN's CSS team is still dominating" Why are your thoughts so shallow? I really meant how are you guys doing in CS S. Why are you so shallllllow. Actually seriously i was actually asking you. Sry my tone was wrong for that particular sentence. You fairy queen

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Added on October 19, 2008, 3:11 amGuys i am realllllly sorry for that. Im sure u accidentally did shit in a heat of a moment =P Nvm i owe you 5 guys a drink hehe. Come Zouk Out Or Taste of Chaos =D sorry!

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 03:14 AM

voted for the rules set by the community before SCG 2008. huh. by the way, I went to the webbie you posted. what's wrong with hardcore hp to 60. den said 42 or something like that, its definitely going to be way better than the original hardcore hp (way lower I believe).

How is stopping power redundant? With stopping power, I have a better chance to kill an enemy whose hp is 60 compared to what was it, 10 hp? For heaven's sake, at least there won't be any freak kills where the last time I scrimmed before the tbun tourney, I ended up getting killed by a stun nade that bounced right into my face. With 60 life, there's still a margin of error that you can fall back on.

Oh well, we've been through this discussion again and again but it seriously is up to the community. sit down with us, vote for whatever you want, and we shall see. why the fear that we can't compete internationally cause we are using pam4 or whatever config? *sigh

Such irrational fear, awww.

[ESP]. kitteh

Basically your tone was way off in former post. So much sarcasm you didn't make sense. You still don't due to your sarcasm. Learn how to argue without the usage of sarcasm because you end up contradicting yourself. Like calling me shallow when you yourself know your tone was wrong.

Like you said, in Promod, you have to shoot to reveal your position. You don't shoot randomly at walls do you? You only shoot when you see people.

I'm not going to continue my debate with you unless you stop being so sarcastic because it's just stupid to argue with sarcasm. It's stupider to use sarcasm in your argument.

Learn how to grow up and argue maturely. Not throw random insults and sarcasm around. You end up being the shallow one.

SHUT UP FOOLS!!! Don't flame here. Just discuss the topic at hand, intelligently.



This post has been edited by t3quila: Oct 19 2008, 03:47 AM

which is wat i am trying to do but evry1 ignores me n the contents of my posts

This post has been edited by prash: Oct 19 2008, 03:38 AM

I haven't ignored you See, I read your post very thoroughly, you're saying that you are going to stop spamming because everyone in this thread who are posting random nonsense hasn't revealed the contest of your post. See, I read it word for word, I even added a little extra in there. It's very discrete, see if you can spawt it.

Promod = CS

and i want to play COD4, not CS... butt still promod is for snd.

basiccly u are asking for the mode snd.

but still, there are other game mode.

i wanna to play COD4!!!!! not new version of CS

i dun want to die and want for my fella to die also then i can fight again!!



This post has been edited by slainemcroth: Oct 19 2008, 03:52 AM

omgzzz they only guy that notices my post other than pika is the lamest guy ever who should be sleeping alrdy n would be screwed if i tell his mum especially with SPM coming up.post something usefula

i am sorry for my last 2 useless posts including this....

when i watched the demo just now... i think euro one. even they use promod... the weapon still got sway. unlike the sg, there is no sway at all. it's not logic. sniper same like cs

This post has been edited by sawakita9: Oct 19 2008, 03:56 AM

whoa drama.....[ESP] starting to sound like dictators.....

i dunno why quack so angry, sound like u insulted his family..lol, lots of TCSS here.

just wanna point out ur esp motto i think, play hard, go pro. firstly, it is a fact this is the wrong country to be born in to go pro gaming. therefore, the only way to pro gaming is international. if international uses Promod, supermod, kokmod, any modes other then PAM4, basically you'll be fcked, aye? you wanna go pro, follow the rules set by countries with pro gamers, no?

Out of all the things related to CS here, I cannot forgive this utterly stupid sentence.

Who the heck thought you to play CS dude? Some moron? You're suppose to keep your teammates alive.

Be it consciously or sub-consciously, real competitive play is all about survival.

You don't want your mate to die by any means necessary. Noone should post anything like this here ever.

Have some sense of awareness as to what your saying please. You hear?

This post has been edited by t3quila: Oct 19 2008, 04:17 AM

Er.... you didn't read properly did ya?

Stopping power: increases dmg by 1.4x
That means if...
20 dmg, + sp = 28 dmg
30 dmg, + sp = 42 dmg
40 dmg, + sp = 56 dmg
50 dmg, + sp = 70 dmg

Stopping power is designed is such a way that you'll need to take 1 LESS bullet to kill a target (applies to hp = 100 aka normal mode)

Only M14 (50-40), Skorpion (50-20), Deagle (50-30) and M60 (50-40) will benefit from hp = 60 in CQC if coupled with sp (1 hit kill).

Other weapons like:
M16 (40-30)
AK-47 (40-30)
G3 (40-30)
MP44 (40-30)
M249 (30)
RPD (40)
Will need 2 bullets to kill regardless whether you have sp or not.

M4 (30-20)
G36c (30-20)
MP5 (40-20)
Uzi (30-20)
AK-74u (40-20)
P90 (30-20)
M9 (40-20)
USP (40-20)
M1911 (40-20)
Will need 3 bullets to kill at long range regardless whether you have sp or not.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 19 2008, 04:05 AM

but then how about dmg after penetration through walls?the dmg would be higher with stopping power n reduce the number of ammo needed to kill people hiding behind walls which is y i would still consider using stopping power.

Hmmm... I've calculated the number of bullets it takes to kill... yea, it DOES reduce the number of ammo needed to kill people hiding behind objects.

Can't believe SP is the new DI when hp = 60 (it doesn't perform as good as DI though). Funny things happen if you tweak stuffs beyond what the developers originally programmed.

if there is an option calls mix and match i would vote, but it seems i'll need to null my vote. all i can say is, majority doesnt mean they r correct/sane, it just majority's thought.

COD4's game play gives more flexibility to the player, n yet makes it more human like/realistic compares to other fps. play a game competitively doesnt mean u have to take out the core of the game, which is for me flexibility and realistic weapon stats. tho usually i play malaysian rule set(which is more of an overall strategic package rather than gun n jump n team work).

as for lmg wall spamming, i think its also a strategic play, the lmg player doesnt have to see the target to shoot it, in team play, u have other team player, when they spotted enemy behind wall but he/she cant shoot it, he/she still can coordinate the target for lmg to take the enemy behind the wall thru wall spamming, its team work! isnt tat all you guys talking about? or perhaps really, r too shallow? rather than making the game to play by your rules, y not make rules tat let us play the game-COD4.

dont use the world "international" n pretend u r the best, nothing is perfect! rather than follow, y not contribute to international cod4 community? innovate is a much better action rather than following it without question. rules can be changed, mix n match them rather than deny what others has built up.

before u said those words like malaysian arent following rules so we are weak, u should start by respecting what we have done so far! when u got flamed by others all u did was whining n crapping, makes u no different from ppl u was crapping at!

whoever wants promod are a bit cuckoo in the head...come on la...
COD4 is an unique game...the people created COD4 is to make it UNIQUE!!! AND NOT MAKE IT A CS GAME WEI!!!

PLZ LA!!! COME ON MAN CS VERSION2???!!!! FTW!!! WHO WANTS CS IN COD4!!! plz la wei..no this la no that la...eh rules are rules...the ban some perks because it's imba for the tournaments....so bare in mind that COD4 is unique and WE AS A COD PLAYER...DO NOT WANT COD4 TO BE LIKE COUNTER STRIKE!!!

anyway i voted for pam4...it's better and REALISTIC!!!

[ESP].Goat

This post has been edited by G04t: Oct 19 2008, 05:52 AM

ok, i know what im going to say will get flamed, but i still need to voice out before i finish my comment.

something comes to my mind regarding pro gamers, since u guys with such greatness, i believe our small country malaysia's rule set shouldnt be a problem since u guys played "international" rule set? just because something doesnt go the way u thought it should be, so u set rules to limit it, rather than adept to it. n so i do not agree with "just wanna point out ur esp motto i think, play hard, go pro. firstly, it is a fact this is the wrong country to be born in to go pro gaming. therefore, the only way to pro gaming is international. if international uses Promod, supermod, kokmod, any modes other then PAM4, basically you'll be fcked, aye? you wanna go pro, follow the rules set by countries with pro gamers, no?"since they r pro, y go to such a length to limit game play? malaysian rule set still need adjustment, but it doesnt mean it sucks, ppl put in time n effort to make it work!

so where is the creativity in creating dynamic team play? since u guys put team play in such high priority. if lmg is to be banned, it just shows organizer doesnt value team play as much as their mouth says. lmg is there with all those 100 bullets to help team mates to perform their work, lmg's main role is as suppressive fire, n fire power to take out targets that other guys cant do tat efficiently, their teammates r their eyes n ears. if talking about balancing, weapon sway is a must have. if sway is reduced or taken away, y not just allow single weapon type in each classes? different weapon sways differently, thats the balance play! u cant take out chances n say its for balance purpose. it just makes it unbalance when some1 carry an smg can shoot as far as assault riffles n with same accuracy...if u cant aim well because of weapon sway, please train yourself! its not pro gamer, its pro whiner to me...

this is not science class, v dont need to take out all variable just to get a clear result, to make a game balance need a bigger picture, which means sit down n discuss! not denying other ppl's opinion! if u wan2 be pro n do things in pro manner, do things maturely..at least

i agree man....

thanks

talkin bout sway, would it be realistic if promod DID implement a way such that sway reduces when ur on prone or crouch? that would be better eh? wad say u?

Please play the mod first in a few scrims people. SMG's still can't shoot effectively as far as Assault Rifles can without the iron sight bouncing all over the place. Even with no-sway the recoil is still there. SMG rounds also see a reduction in damage over range more in promod than in normal so distance shooting with any smg will be impossible if the person your shooting at has an AK or M16. Sniper with no sway is "gay" yes. But theres only one sniper per team and the sniper will have to unscope to fire the next round.

Other stuff I might like to add is the presence of the ready-up and timeout features in Promod. To ready up for a match press f the timeout issue can be bound to a key as well. Promod's class limitations help balance the game to a point where a bombsite is actually assault-able now because the enemy can't spam a wall of lead with LMG. Stuns are banned for about the same reason. Only flashes and smokes are allowed. This means you can momentarily render a rush useless in a preflash but u can't totally freeze them and take your time with them.

Lastly about the perk 3 disabled, most of the perks there are unrealistic although there are a 2 that aren't. Extreme Conditioning & Steady Aim. The thing is in competition wise, noone wants to see one of their most favourite players or anyone for that matter get bumrushed by either. There must be a flow in the game. So tactics have to be countered by tactics and so on. This actually makes the game readable by team captains and ready for casting by the E-sportscasters.

The conclusion is that Promod and its basic ruleset were made for SnD tournaments. It is important that you understand that when you put search and destroy with modern guns. It is already like Counter-Strike even without the mods. What Promod did to cater to the gametype was, inject balance, convenience and flow into an otherwise crazy, unbalanced, unreadable and also un-castable gamemode.

This post has been edited by t3quila: Oct 19 2008, 10:52 AM

Oh shit dude sorry if I hurt the your feelings. Anyway, I started playing COD4 in the beginning of this year. Obviously i found some ways(perks, weapons etc etc.)very gay and some very cool =D. I love this game. I love this game the way its suppose to be. I dont like pro-mod because it takes away ALLLLL the gayness and goodness that COD4 has to offer. Activision created a game that is f***ing amazing because it was so creative. And now with your *GAY* you choose to use pro-mod. A mod that takes away the perks, the Life essence of COD4. Why can't you just deal with the *GAY*ness? (NOTHING IS GAY IF YOU DONT ABUSE IT) All we have to do is just limit the *GAY* per team

You say the claymore is gay.....Why? I dont know you apparently like giving a hundred and one reasons. But wait.....it ISNT *GAY* if you have the ability to counter the *GAY*ness of the claymore. So please tell me whats so *GAY*.

Learn how to grow up and argue maturely? Lol dude coming from the man who uses a keyboard as the only tool of communication here. Me shallow? Im one of the nicest guys on the planet dude. If you like you could look me up and ill take you for a drink fairy queen. Ok honestly speaking now, this poll isnt really going to change a thing in the rule settings we have now. Its just going 2 waste our time and your time especially. Come for the next RNR meeting please.

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 11:03 AM

i agree with u....trust me...if cod turn to promod...cod in malaysia will dying coz there will no more fun in cod coz its turn like cs....COME ON DONT MAKE THIS GAME NO MORE FUN AND UNIQUE

Shut up to Strayfe and Quack!!! You've already spammed this poll enough. If you have nothing specifically about PAM4.01 or Promod Final Release v3 then don't post at all. Both of you are morons in your own way. Stop showing how dumb it is to be a CoD4 player and start turning that around.

What I'm trying to do is to GO PRO with the same game i played when i first started in January. Ill use any other game mod and i will STILL GO PRO. But i would rather like going pro my way =)


basically you'll be fcked, aye....no but i know if your team played against mine anyday with anymod......ill still rape you alive.... dude if you wanna call me noob....please have some skill to back you up cause last ive seen is that you suck =(

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Added on October 19, 2008, 11:05 amCome for the next RNR =(

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 11:05 AM

quack is not spamming la bro...it's a statement....and it's a point...we all wanna be pros....you should be one too....don't complain about people explaining stuff!!!!

lol wtf....arent we in the same clan here =.=. Seriously goat you have officially failed good job. I'm not explaning myself to you omg nice lar...

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 11:19 AM

What is this..? I warned you not to..

Instead of spamming and posting "constructive" comments like what you guys claimed yourself doing, why not join the discussion for RnR for Malaysian community after WGT? IMO this would be another endless topic because there's no limitation to it, and I bet no moderators and actually watching this topic and you guys can spam or posting "constructive" comments, which leads into flame bait and ended up there will be people getting "holiday" after this thread being report and close by moderators. If you have a say, just go to RnR discussion after WGT. I believe talking in face to face is better than "talking" behalf of yourself over the internet.

EDIT: I haven't vote yet, and I'm sorry if anyone of you guys felt offended or whatsoever, because I can't take everyone's feeling into account.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Oct 19 2008, 12:04 PM

I dun get the statement on no1 wants to see his fav playa gettin bumrushed by others..... hw izit a valid reason to support promod? ?_?

To say that without promod is crazy, unbalance, unreadable and also un-castable gamemode... i would disagree. Pam4 already limits som of the major gay perks. Wat remains actually provides much variety to one team's gameplay. Hw is it unreadable? Even if the whole team is using EC or wut... its readable in the sense that you know they reach one point faster. So its a question of your team trying to take up better positioning to take em out.
Hw is it unbalance? after all your own team has the same access to the perks to mould your own strategy to take on the other team. So isnt it balance? I dunno as a supporter of pam4. I think pam4 currently provides VERY dynamic gameplay. Failure to read means losing out.

Anyways, just to summarise reasons for voting one or the other (correct me if i'm wrong):
Promod:
~ Removes all remaining 'imbalance' perks
~ Used globally by many countries, so in order to go pro, must follow?
~ No gun sway for easier shooting (not so sure bout this)
~ Provides predictable flow to gameplay

Pam4:
~ Unique with certain accessible perks
~ Provides realism to actual warfare (gun sway etc)
~ Very unpredictable yet dynamic gameplay
~ Very similiar to original game from IW with slight mods

I think me and you dont share the same views on what constitutes a pro. Just because you are good, you have mousepad, RM500 mouse, RM300 keyboard, RM200 soundcard and Gods knows wtv else you wanna bring into blitz, that does not make you pro. You can be the best in Blitz, the best in selangor, the best in malaysia but still you will no be pro.

Do you know why? Cause turning pro isnt being good at something. It's getting paid handsomely to do that something. eg, pro poker players, Gus Hansen dont work, Scotty Nguyen dont work. poker is their job. pro football players...wayne rooney dont do no work other then football.

Ok, so assuming blitz will someday actually pay you. do you think it will even be a substantial amount? or u can be like the hobo in blitz, he eat sleeps and plays there. And i didnt ask you to play against me, im asking you how ur gonna fare against country where pro gaming exist and they play promod? anyhow, [esp] is just a clan, its not even a club. MYM can pay their players in excess of USD100k a year. they can afford to do that because of sponsors and prize money. Sponsors want you to win, and when you win u get prize money and sponsors are happy. and they're not gonna have 20 domestic tournaments a year, rather they play a few big international tournaments. which happens to use international rules. which happens to be promod.

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I voted both. For I played both. Didn't really care. Fun really matters. Still had fun for both, cos I was owning the competition when playing ProMod. <3

LOL!!! seriously i think u are watching something else. There is not such thing as SG PROMOD or SG NO GUN SWAY, the mods we used is all downloaded from the official website that released those mod, pam4 or promod. Unless u are saying there somehow is due to singapore that is using it the mod slowly evolves and start having no sway in the game. U should be watching an old demo that is not running on promod.

So wad u saying that if u are in the same clan he should start mindlessly support u and not have his own say? nice

i voted pam4.01.

ok, first of all, i voted for Pam4.

Ok this is what i think. When the first time i played Cod4, i think it is the best game created. Why? Because im a RPG(Role Playing Games) type of person. I see that i can be anyone i wanted in the game. i say that because MOST of the perks in COD4 is realistic. Ill give u guys an example.

Bomb squad - US Swat teams uses cameras to detect claymores.
Claymores - In cod3 claymores has more than 1 function, i dont want to mention it.

If r using bombsquads, u basically will neutralize all the claymores u will see.

As for Extreme Conditioning - Has it occured to u guys that some of the soldier in war has more stamina, worked thier body better than the other guys? This is ex-con. This is a featured that i like in the game(the Role Playing Game Type, u can build urself as a tanker, a wizard or an attacker). But by using this perks u will ended up running away like hell and tell everyone where u are.

As for dead silence, It is really not silent as u think. U can still here ppl coming but u hav to figure out is he far or is he using dead silence. In the last RNR meeting i suggested that we should let the game as the way it is coz i just love everything in the game. But i realize sumthing should be band n i said SUMTING, not MOST of it.

As a LMG users, let me say this to all who didnt know. It is not easy to use LMG. Simply spray LMG towards a direction will not be a confirm kills. Play with a good player and u will know sumtime LMG are sucks.

Ive played PROMOD before with CEBU players in thier server n think that PROMOD is a new version of CS. It takes away most of COD4 features n specialties. I've asked CEBU player a question, which is "why u guys like to play PROMOD?" they said "We DONT. We have to."

And for me, why should we bother following the other countries mods while we can do it ourself. We had a meeting (which most of the COD4 Squad leader is there) to create our proudly MALAYSIAN RNR.

Lets look at US(United States), sum of them love CS while some of them love Unreal Tournament. But they didnt combine those two games. If u guys a CS lover, go play CS. If u are a COD4 players, join me and my gang.

p/s: my ambition is to make our beloved country to support GAMING and will acknowledge GAMING as one of a professional career.

This post has been edited by chocolate^fudge: Oct 19 2008, 01:26 PM

There are 22 new posts since the last post i posted, and I posted that at 4am in the morning. @_@

Anyway, I agree with quack whole heartedly on this, I wanna play the game as how it was created; I have this obsession with wanted to learn more that I mix and match perks to see what perks are best for which map (And DS / BS / UAV isn't the best build for Broadcast, guys. )

Yeah, some perks are gay, but if you have a bad class set you might screw up your game for the rest of your squad, let's say in your team (And, let's say that you're currently playing at a tourney rule-set server that has set the hp up to 60.) you are the bomb carrier, you have Uav / Ex Con (Rofl, example) and probably claymores.

Scenario 1 : Your team is FUBAR'ed. You're the only one left, the other team has someone with SP / DS and BS, (Let's just say) And that guy has a rifle, you have a prissy Mp5 and claymores; indirectly the perks you have chosen have handicapped you. (Let's imagine that the guy hunting you is exactly like you, aiming and everything wise.) That guy will definitely kill you first before you can even land some hits on him.
(Now let's just say that you're better than the other person.) Here is where skill comes in, if you can snipe the person with your Mp5; that's where you're at.

I'm just saying cause I've been in situations like this before and sometimes you're not in the best of positions to keep your gunfights strictly medium range. Even worse if the other guy has SP / DI and you only have an MP5 (and it wouldn't even help even if you had DI) in your hands. I've been in situations where my perks have handicapped me to some extent.

Wraith, when you want to go pro internationally, you don't expect to play PAM4 when other countries are using promod do you?

It's something like going with the flow. And people talk about adapting to Malaysian rules, sure I can do that. But why confuse myself with 2 separate rulesets? Might as well just follow one.

It's more of convenience I would say. If the whole world wanted PAM4, I wouldn't mind. Because if that's what it takes for me to go pro, I would.

But the thing is, most of the people here just want to 'have fun' or 'don't want this game to become another CS (I really don't see how)'.

If you want to be good at something, you have to ADAPT to what the world is playing.

That's all I have to say.

haha. i agree with u. both of the mod i like it. as long this game still not dying, i will still play this game

I don't wanna go pro for some I don't love, not to say I love pam4. I love perks that is all, I'll watch you on tv teq.












. On second thought I wouldn't mind playing promod

Popularity should be based on the original game, not the mod. Much like how Dota ended up becoming a hit. But you will notice that before dota, it was Warcraft III itself that had the attention of the public. I like the game, competitively and non-competively. But for those who jumped straight into competitive play before actually enjoying the game will not understand where most of us stand. Experience in other competitive games dont buy you rights to set rules, despite how close the game resembles your own.

Promod is also the name of the replacement for Counter-Strike: Source and Counter-Strike 1.6. Look it up, it will show up somewhere.

SnD may be a competitive mode, but its not the ONLY competitive mode. What i want to know is, are the CS players that COD4:Promod have attracted stay with the community when CS:Promod comes out? I highly doubt that. A majority will move, leaving their "Rulesets" behind and the COD4 community to rot.

Reasons i don't like PROMOD :

Too CS-like.
It's like CS without the economics which makes it worse than CS. Veteran CS players will remember the "eco" rounds they need to do to save up for their weapons, or do a glock vest 1st round.

No Gun Sway?
Too easy. Why? Its to easy to spot. Perception is something that each person has at different degrees. The amount of focus needed is lessened with no sway. It also takes away one thing that made the COD seriously unique, the Hold Breathe action. Play America's Army, which is based on the American recruitment software used to test soldiers in virtual simulations. They addapted the hold breath system from there. These are real soldiers we're talking about.

No Ambience, Smoke, Exploding Cars.
The more disturbances you have, the more it tests your skill. These are imbedded features in the game that make it competitive and real. If you lack foresight or hearing, you ended being blown up by a car. Face it, if you were on the battlefield, you'd probably stay away from a burning car wouldn't you?

Bandolier, Stopping Power.
If you're going to limit the entire game to 2 perks, why not just embed the system into the guns? Giving them unlimited ammo to fire and a +35 damage increment, then totally remove the perk system? COD4:MW lives on the perk system, dont get the right perks, you're basically screwed.

No Air Support.
What? No helicopter? Nuff said.

Reasons i like promod :

Stolen UI.
Yes, i like the stolen UI from PAM4.01

Reasons i like PAM4.01 over Promod :

PAM4 Interface
For any gamemode, the PAM4 mod shows the players who are alive on both teams, which is useful particularly in SnD modes.

Easy Setup
PAM4 is easy to set up, cfg files are also explained well. PAM4 also has the timeout option and EU/NA rulesets inbuilt to the mod. There is also the possibility of editing these cfg files to anyones liking, much like how our Malaysian rulesets are.

PAM4 Retains COD4:MW
Despite many restrictions, PAM4 retains the most parts of COD4:MW in tournament play, having certain perks still allowed in tournaments.

Im not saying that we have balance or our system is perfect, in fact, we're far from it. But i for one do not want to automatically assume some other country should decide what we should play, when in reality, even the publisher isnt interested in the community. What the majority of COD4 players in Malaysia have become are mature gamers, highly adaptive players who not only support the local community but communities abroad, which like singapore use other mods. There is also the bond between the teams in Malaysia and organizers, such as In2 and New Era, which will bring possible partnerships in the future. Take this opportunity to see how it all works, to understand why gaming is what it is today. They are the ones that made it happen in Malaysia and before you look overseas, you should overcome the barriers locally first.

When you say the REST of the world uses PROMOD, i believe you mistook the world for some other world because
If you read the below.. EU STILL USES PAM4.01 for their competitive play, with their OWN TWL league rules.
http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthre...threadid=417909

AND
zomg they have knife matches! weee...
http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthre...threadid=420856

With the merger between Blizzard, Activision and Vivendi, there is new hope that Activion as publishers of Call of Duty 4 be more pro-active in community development. Their lack of foresight by releasing COD5:WoW so early, using the same but enhanced engine will hopefully lead them back to the COD4 community. With so many team based games coming out next year, it will be extremely hard to compete.

Professional gamers are not defined by who they are but rather what they achieve. Many of the "PROs" are self defined, why? They don't see what gaming really is. In order for you to be a "professional", you need it to be your profession, something you give your heart and soul into, something that will one day feed your family. Will it feed your family? If its not a profession, then you cannot be labeled a professional. It's how it is, if you don't see it that way, you're never becoming a pro. Well... at least thats how i see it.

So why the pro talk? What am i trying to achieve? I'm not trying to go pro. I'm trying to make gaming in Malaysia a profession. So YOU can go pro.

In order to make a clear, concise and unbiased decision, you need to see how the world is going about its business. The world around us are losing teams, while Malaysia has more teams in SELANGOR than, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, Singapore, Australia and Philiphines COMBINED.

Why? We're building the community and growing before we go "pro". They think "pro" even before there's a community and their organizers are having a hard time doing things. Many join for the thousands of dollar prizes, we join for the sake of keeping the community going, even if its 800 bucks. If there is no community, there wont BE competitions. Look around us.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Oct 19 2008, 01:59 PM

the point that you kinda missed is that 1 bullet difference is enough for a slight margin of error. if not, snd games would just end up with me with bando, sp, di, and 1 ak47 spamming walls just to get that 1 bullet into the enemy. trust me, that would screw up life for most ppl. a single bullet to kill, is that what you're asking for? 42 hp ftl.

the point is, PAM need more focus n multitasking than so called "international" rule set! cant u get it? if u cant even adapt to those kind of environment, u arent pro at all! what? sounds like whining kids to me, complaining tis n tat makes things unbalance...more like u r actually saying:"o i suck, y all this thing make it so hard 1? aiya just ban them la, then i'll win"...losers!

PAM limit things, but not to the extend of spoiling the core of the game! which is flexibility of strategy n realistic weapon stats! y downgrade it with a CS mod? Rules r for suckers to follow! especially those that dont even ask why he/she needs to follow it, just follow...LAME! if u cant take out airsupport like heli, u just failed miserably in team play! n sending in air strike isnt child's play! u need to be a good coordinator to make a good air strike kill! u shouldnt just send in 3 planes just to kill 1 ******* dont u?

good 1! din know SG-ian lack sense of humor!

SG got Zouk Out =D Beach rave ftwwwwwww

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Added on October 19, 2008, 2:42 pmhonestly marvin your just an as s hole.... youve always been one... =.= its like you enjoy attacking people personally or you indirectly do it =P..... i think its your tone...its not my fault its the way you post things dude haih. its like you hate the world. why do you say blitz.....omg YOU get a life and dont assume what im thinking about what is a pro

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 03:15 PM

HAHA so WHAT else SG have?

anyway, marvin, do u get paid? i assume the answer is no? r u pro? Thats all for my question, answer it yourself

Do you know how to read posts in pages before?

Read the first post on the top of THIS page.

I don't get what you're trying to tell me. I think you've forgot to take into consideration that:

1. It's quite impossible to kill a target through a brick wall in 1 shot when hc hp = 42 even IF you have sp + di as your perks (unless if you use a sniper rifle + sp + di + damage multiplier)
2. There's no hit blip through walls for the tourney so you'll never know if you hit the target or not.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 19 2008, 02:54 PM

in my previous comments also stated

so read my comment in page 3 before any further discussion regarding what i said

For those who don't read the views of other posters clearly first, you disgust me. For those who keep posting pointers and quotes on your views time and time again, you disgust me just as much. Death I could use some help now. These guys don't know when to stop yapping.

Chill man, chill.

There's like.... 5 pages in this thread so far, so it's quite understandable that not everyone is hardworking enough to read previous posts.