I don't wanna go pro for some I don't love, not to say I love pam4. I love perks that is all, I'll watch you on tv teq.












. On second thought I wouldn't mind playing promod

Popularity should be based on the original game, not the mod. Much like how Dota ended up becoming a hit. But you will notice that before dota, it was Warcraft III itself that had the attention of the public. I like the game, competitively and non-competively. But for those who jumped straight into competitive play before actually enjoying the game will not understand where most of us stand. Experience in other competitive games dont buy you rights to set rules, despite how close the game resembles your own.

Promod is also the name of the replacement for Counter-Strike: Source and Counter-Strike 1.6. Look it up, it will show up somewhere.

SnD may be a competitive mode, but its not the ONLY competitive mode. What i want to know is, are the CS players that COD4:Promod have attracted stay with the community when CS:Promod comes out? I highly doubt that. A majority will move, leaving their "Rulesets" behind and the COD4 community to rot.

Reasons i don't like PROMOD :

Too CS-like.
It's like CS without the economics which makes it worse than CS. Veteran CS players will remember the "eco" rounds they need to do to save up for their weapons, or do a glock vest 1st round.

No Gun Sway?
Too easy. Why? Its to easy to spot. Perception is something that each person has at different degrees. The amount of focus needed is lessened with no sway. It also takes away one thing that made the COD seriously unique, the Hold Breathe action. Play America's Army, which is based on the American recruitment software used to test soldiers in virtual simulations. They addapted the hold breath system from there. These are real soldiers we're talking about.

No Ambience, Smoke, Exploding Cars.
The more disturbances you have, the more it tests your skill. These are imbedded features in the game that make it competitive and real. If you lack foresight or hearing, you ended being blown up by a car. Face it, if you were on the battlefield, you'd probably stay away from a burning car wouldn't you?

Bandolier, Stopping Power.
If you're going to limit the entire game to 2 perks, why not just embed the system into the guns? Giving them unlimited ammo to fire and a +35 damage increment, then totally remove the perk system? COD4:MW lives on the perk system, dont get the right perks, you're basically screwed.

No Air Support.
What? No helicopter? Nuff said.

Reasons i like promod :

Stolen UI.
Yes, i like the stolen UI from PAM4.01

Reasons i like PAM4.01 over Promod :

PAM4 Interface
For any gamemode, the PAM4 mod shows the players who are alive on both teams, which is useful particularly in SnD modes.

Easy Setup
PAM4 is easy to set up, cfg files are also explained well. PAM4 also has the timeout option and EU/NA rulesets inbuilt to the mod. There is also the possibility of editing these cfg files to anyones liking, much like how our Malaysian rulesets are.

PAM4 Retains COD4:MW
Despite many restrictions, PAM4 retains the most parts of COD4:MW in tournament play, having certain perks still allowed in tournaments.

Im not saying that we have balance or our system is perfect, in fact, we're far from it. But i for one do not want to automatically assume some other country should decide what we should play, when in reality, even the publisher isnt interested in the community. What the majority of COD4 players in Malaysia have become are mature gamers, highly adaptive players who not only support the local community but communities abroad, which like singapore use other mods. There is also the bond between the teams in Malaysia and organizers, such as In2 and New Era, which will bring possible partnerships in the future. Take this opportunity to see how it all works, to understand why gaming is what it is today. They are the ones that made it happen in Malaysia and before you look overseas, you should overcome the barriers locally first.

When you say the REST of the world uses PROMOD, i believe you mistook the world for some other world because
If you read the below.. EU STILL USES PAM4.01 for their competitive play, with their OWN TWL league rules.
http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthre...threadid=417909

AND
zomg they have knife matches! weee...
http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthre...threadid=420856

With the merger between Blizzard, Activision and Vivendi, there is new hope that Activion as publishers of Call of Duty 4 be more pro-active in community development. Their lack of foresight by releasing COD5:WoW so early, using the same but enhanced engine will hopefully lead them back to the COD4 community. With so many team based games coming out next year, it will be extremely hard to compete.

Professional gamers are not defined by who they are but rather what they achieve. Many of the "PROs" are self defined, why? They don't see what gaming really is. In order for you to be a "professional", you need it to be your profession, something you give your heart and soul into, something that will one day feed your family. Will it feed your family? If its not a profession, then you cannot be labeled a professional. It's how it is, if you don't see it that way, you're never becoming a pro. Well... at least thats how i see it.

So why the pro talk? What am i trying to achieve? I'm not trying to go pro. I'm trying to make gaming in Malaysia a profession. So YOU can go pro.

In order to make a clear, concise and unbiased decision, you need to see how the world is going about its business. The world around us are losing teams, while Malaysia has more teams in SELANGOR than, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, Singapore, Australia and Philiphines COMBINED.

Why? We're building the community and growing before we go "pro". They think "pro" even before there's a community and their organizers are having a hard time doing things. Many join for the thousands of dollar prizes, we join for the sake of keeping the community going, even if its 800 bucks. If there is no community, there wont BE competitions. Look around us.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Oct 19 2008, 01:59 PM

the point that you kinda missed is that 1 bullet difference is enough for a slight margin of error. if not, snd games would just end up with me with bando, sp, di, and 1 ak47 spamming walls just to get that 1 bullet into the enemy. trust me, that would screw up life for most ppl. a single bullet to kill, is that what you're asking for? 42 hp ftl.

the point is, PAM need more focus n multitasking than so called "international" rule set! cant u get it? if u cant even adapt to those kind of environment, u arent pro at all! what? sounds like whining kids to me, complaining tis n tat makes things unbalance...more like u r actually saying:"o i suck, y all this thing make it so hard 1? aiya just ban them la, then i'll win"...losers!

PAM limit things, but not to the extend of spoiling the core of the game! which is flexibility of strategy n realistic weapon stats! y downgrade it with a CS mod? Rules r for suckers to follow! especially those that dont even ask why he/she needs to follow it, just follow...LAME! if u cant take out airsupport like heli, u just failed miserably in team play! n sending in air strike isnt child's play! u need to be a good coordinator to make a good air strike kill! u shouldnt just send in 3 planes just to kill 1 ******* dont u?

good 1! din know SG-ian lack sense of humor!

SG got Zouk Out =D Beach rave ftwwwwwww

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Added on October 19, 2008, 2:42 pmhonestly marvin your just an as s hole.... youve always been one... =.= its like you enjoy attacking people personally or you indirectly do it =P..... i think its your tone...its not my fault its the way you post things dude haih. its like you hate the world. why do you say blitz.....omg YOU get a life and dont assume what im thinking about what is a pro

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 03:15 PM

HAHA so WHAT else SG have?

anyway, marvin, do u get paid? i assume the answer is no? r u pro? Thats all for my question, answer it yourself

Do you know how to read posts in pages before?

Read the first post on the top of THIS page.

I don't get what you're trying to tell me. I think you've forgot to take into consideration that:

1. It's quite impossible to kill a target through a brick wall in 1 shot when hc hp = 42 even IF you have sp + di as your perks (unless if you use a sniper rifle + sp + di + damage multiplier)
2. There's no hit blip through walls for the tourney so you'll never know if you hit the target or not.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 19 2008, 02:54 PM

in my previous comments also stated

so read my comment in page 3 before any further discussion regarding what i said

For those who don't read the views of other posters clearly first, you disgust me. For those who keep posting pointers and quotes on your views time and time again, you disgust me just as much. Death I could use some help now. These guys don't know when to stop yapping.

Chill man, chill.

There's like.... 5 pages in this thread so far, so it's quite understandable that not everyone is hardworking enough to read previous posts.

Seriously man.. I thought everyone here had the decency to post their views in an orderly and individual way. They call this a forum for a reason people.

since u have your decision on which to choose beforehand, y even bother posting a poll? so whats the point if u cant even see other ppl's view? which is more disgusting? cant listen to others so asking for help? u just cant stop yapping?

if you wanna go pro, why play so many modes on a single game?

give me one example of a team game that professionals play with different modes all at once.

im ok with malaysian rules, but you guys need to stick to one mode. next, i have always believed that, you can mod the weapon, but not the player. thus, juggernaut, dead silence and all the crap shouldnt be used. every player needs to be on stock human-body mode.

and claymores, are indeed gay. which is why u never put them together. try putting them face to face. they cant work, as theyre busy fcking each other.

New Rule: No Vulgarity & Upper case(Unless it is to highlight).

its really waste of time for further discussion n its useless to continue this poll when u already have your definite answer, isnt it? forum is for ppl to share opinion, n u arent doing it! rather than discussing, u just want others to use promod. as i said, things need improvement, i dont see following 1 rules without further development is a good mod, simple as that! there r goods in both mods, but thats just it!

give us the definition of competitive play since u talk like u know it. what u said in here, doesnt reflect your topic title. its about competitive mod of choice, but now its like u r saying pam isnt the standard, so screw it. y put up a poll n waste ppl's time reading thru 5 pages of comments when u discriminate other mod?

guys agree?

the discussion was going smoothly until an idiot post @ #13.

as an outsider, reading the thread up till #13, ill get pissed to.

arghhh its burning here
*pouring some water on the topic*
0_0

Salution to fastx for pointing out more facts that I also wanted to say after all that *omgthatisalotofpostinsidethisthread*. I was talking to tequila just last night.

Instead of going promod,sticking to the original R&R is better. Balancing needs time as stated by my previous post. And of course balancing needs time. And modding the game will help. =D if someone can find out that is.

EDIT: I'm Pika btw just using his account in Blitz. lolz

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Oct 19 2008, 04:09 PM