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post Oct 5 2008, 05:36 PM, updated 16y ago

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I studied her financial statement found this counter is jet-speeding in growth from the past 6 years.

1) Sales 44%
2) Profit after tax 39%
2) EPS growth 34%
3) Nett Assest 32%
4) Cash grow 60%

People suggested that her fair value should be around triple of current price at RM4 which is about RM12+. Is it too good to be true ? How come the transaction volumn is so low ? I think it is neglected.
What all sifus comment here ?

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post Oct 5 2008, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 5 2008, 06:36 PM)
I studied her financial statement found this counter is jet-speeding in growth from the past 6 years.

1) Sales 44%
2) Profit after tax 39%
2) EPS growth 34%
3) Nett Assest 32%
4) Cash grow 60%

People suggested that her fair value should be around triple of current price at RM4 which is about RM12+. Is it too good to be true ? How come the volumn is so low ? I think it is neglected.
What all sifus comment here ?
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Brother,
Cannot be too optimistic when you do investment. Try not to beliv on what ppl told you. If it is so good will ppl want share with you?

I know this counter has a good business.. It has about 25% of the global market share. The EPS is 40 sen last year...
Most of the our rubber are imported from Thailand which is the largest rubber exporter if i am not wrong. What will happened if their competitor have build their factory at thailand ? Will their competitor have a lower cost in raw materials? Thus higher profit margin...For me at current price it still consider expensive...with EPS of 40 sen last year..I beliv EPS for this year will be go down a lot as most of their gloves are expoted to Europe especially US....

US now is slowing down and some factory is closed down even... Where is their demand? Futher more this stock is 100% growth stock thus if you are holding now you will not having any dividend at all and without dividend...

Consider that... sweat.gif will it be better to put your money in FD??
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post Oct 5 2008, 11:18 PM

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I think whether market recession will bring minimum impact to glove usage, we cannot use a same pair few times. Now people especially the rise of developing countries like BRIC have more awareness to hygine and the increase of diseases only create more demand. It is not like other products such as vehicle or computer or cloth which we can save by avoiding upgrade and use old one.

I don know that most rubbers are imported from Thailand, but take palm oil as an example, Indonesia and Thailand also has palm trees. But they rate our palm oil quality is the best. And many people like me will not bother China goods which are lots cheaper but poor quality, so I believe if their competitors stand some factories in Thailand and have advantage of lower cost, at least they must run double faster to challenge Top Glove.

From my calculation I also think that the price at RM4 is under value, where the average PER for the past years was about 16, considering the growth of the EPS at 34% you can forsee its value in future. Even I give it the minimum growth which I can accept at 15, the price now is still 30% lower from its value.

I beg you all sifus to raise different opinions so we can see from various angles. And please correct me If I am wrong. nod.gif

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post Oct 5 2008, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 6 2008, 12:18 AM)
I think whether market recession will bring minimum impact to glove usage, we cannot use a same pair few times. Now people especially the rise of developing countries like BRIC have more awareness to hygine and the increase of diseases only create more demand. It is not like other products such as vehicle or computer or cloth which we can save by avoiding upgrade and use old one.

From my calculation I also think that the price at RM4 is under value, where the average PER for the past years was about 16, considering the growth of the EPS at 34% you can forsee its value in future. Even I give it the minimum growth which I can accept at 15, the price now is still 30% lower from its value.

I beg you all sifus to raise different opinions so we can see from various angles. And please correct me If I am wrong. nod.gif
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How about retrenchment? Less workers = less gloves used
How about company bankrupt = They don need to use gloves anymore

The target price is during economy boom where as for now i belive the global economy will slump for quite some times... maybe 5 years or more...


Basically you must know why pppl buy certain stock for...why not they put into FD since the risk is higher compare to FD...Have you ever think about this?

There are two types of stock

1. dividend stock
This type of stock will give annual dividend of about at least 5% which is better then putting into FD. Normally this type of counter will have lower risk...as their earnings are mostly predictable....Eg. Amway, nestle, public bank, JTinter... thats y you can see their share price is solid like rock as the investor can still get dividend during slowdown but the dividend might be lower ...

2. Growth stock

This type of stock will get the bad hit during slowdown....As the words growth implies....
These type of companies need to continue expand their business in order to maintain their competitiveness...
If they grow their business by creating more production line of glove making... certainly their market value will go up...thats y it is booming for the past few years during economy is good
During slowdown = slow down in demand....What is the reason they expand their business? No demand bar....


Take for example


DURING MARKET BOOM

Gloves total demand maybe 3 billion....With annual productoin of 200 million then top gloves will have a lot of room to grow....

DURING SLOWDOWN....

Glove total demand may erroded to 1 billion...With annual production of 200 million will be more than enough....

So... with out dividend and without capital appreciation on this counter ... ithink it is too early to enter this counter...


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post Oct 5 2008, 11:43 PM

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hmm.gif Hmm....making sense...O.K, keep an eye on it.
Thanks darkknight81. Your analysis is pro.
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They might built plants in Thailand or China liao, nowadays Malaysia just another small fish in the pond blush.gif

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post Oct 6 2008, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 5 2008, 05:36 PM)
I studied her financial statement found this counter is jet-speeding in growth from the past 6 years.

1) Sales 44%
2) Profit after tax 39%
2) EPS growth 34%
3) Nett Assest 32%
4) Cash grow 60%

People suggested that her fair value should be around triple of current price at RM4 which is about RM12+. Is it too good to be true ? How come the transaction volumn is so low ? I think it is neglected.
What all sifus comment here ?
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Yup, looking at past trend suggest this company had growth at a rapid rate. Since listing in 2001 till 2007, its share price alone had risen by 3000%. Beginning 2007, its share price head south from high of 9.64 (adjusted price) till now around 4.00. Stiff competition by local (Supermax, APLI, Hartalega, Adventa etc) & foreign rubber glove company coupled by rapid increase in commodity price (rubber) may be a reason.
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post Oct 6 2008, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Oct 6 2008, 07:47 PM)
Yup, looking at past trend suggest this company had growth at a rapid rate. Since listing in 2001 till 2007, its share price alone had risen by 3000%.  Beginning 2007, its share price head south from high of 9.64 (adjusted price) till now around 4.00.  Stiff competition by local (Supermax, APLI, Hartalega, Adventa etc) & foreign rubber glove company coupled by rapid increase in commodity price (rubber) may be a reason.
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post Oct 6 2008, 09:45 PM

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Top Glove already have factories in Thailand & China.
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post Oct 6 2008, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 6 2008, 10:45 PM)
Top Glove already have factories in Thailand & China.
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Total productoin = 30 billion pcs per year with 338 prodction line

Malaysia contributed 77% earnings
China contributed 5% earnings
Thailand contributed 12% earnings

Factories in malaysia = 13
Factories in China = 2 (Advantages - cheap labour cost)
Factories in Thailand - 2 (Advantages - cheap raw materials)
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post Oct 17 2008, 08:56 PM

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With latex & fuel price erosion, would it grow? Worker might get retrench but hospital won't stop using glove, at least the business should maintain, right? But entry barrier into the business is relatively low and stiff competition might kill sweat.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 03:56 PM

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Notice that the transaction volumn was also low even when market was good in this counter. Why huh I wonder ? No one to goreng ?
This is supposed to be very good corp. Really wonder why it does not catch much attention.
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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 18 2008, 04:56 PM)
Notice that the transaction volumn was also low even when market was good in this counter. Why huh I wonder ? No one to goreng ?
This is supposed to be very good corp. Really wonder why it does not catch much attention.
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First, this type of counter cannot goreng one.. you got to see the market capitalization.... Only cheap without strong fundamentals can be goreng.

Besides, almost 60% of top glove stake is own by the directors... sweat.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 08:50 PM

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Besides, almost 60% of top glove stake is own by the directors...

Hmm.....this is news to me. Not detail enough I study. hmm.gif
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post Oct 20 2008, 05:41 PM

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yo Rayloo,

did you compare TopG with Kossan? i did some study and both of them looks impressive too. smile.gif
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Full year result out.
Proposed final dividend 6 cents.
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post Oct 23 2008, 05:53 PM

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Besides, almost 60% of top glove stake is own by the directors...
I think they are confident with their operation, hold much share possible to gain max benifit !
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post Oct 23 2008, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 23 2008, 06:53 PM)
QUOTE(darkknight81)
Besides, almost 60% of top glove stake is own by the directors...
I think they are confident with their operation, hold much share possible to gain max benifit !
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Sorry the director Lim Wei Chai. He himself holding almost 60% stake. How much salary per month for him? Since he is the largest shareholder i beliv his montly salary is talking about million. We as the small ant cannot benefit at all..We expect for the 6 sen dividend? sweat.gif
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post Nov 16 2008, 01:40 PM

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Trend now is switching from natural rubber to synthetic nitrile gloves to avoid the protein allergy problem.

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Trend now is switching from natural rubber to synthetic nitrile gloves to avoid the protein allergy problem.
I heard a lot of protein allergy problem, but Top Glove already had taken measures to solve the problem, is it not...
However, are synthetic nitrile gloves a future replace of rubber gloves ? What does Top Glove do about this ? Some enlighten ?

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post Nov 22 2008, 01:30 AM

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the price is almost at year low now at rm3.60. any takers??
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post Nov 22 2008, 11:51 AM

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I will grab at RM3. Another 60 cents to go.
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QUOTE(rayloo @ Nov 16 2008, 02:35 PM)
QUOTE(Kinitos)
Trend now is switching from natural rubber to synthetic nitrile gloves to avoid the protein allergy problem.
I heard a lot of protein allergy problem, but Top Glove already had taken measures to solve the problem, is it not...
However, are synthetic nitrile gloves a future replace of rubber gloves ? What does Top Glove do about this ? Some enlighten ?
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from what i know, incidences of protein allergy are minimal.. so I don't think it's major problem... more info abt protein allergy: http://www.mrepc.com/


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QUOTE(rayloo @ Nov 22 2008, 11:51 AM)
I will grab at RM3. Another 60 cents to go.
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haha, i think unlikely to reach there la... tongue.gif


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[quote=ahbeng97,Nov 22 2008, 04:44 PM]
I heard a lot of protein allergy problem, but Top Glove already had taken measures to solve the problem, is it not...
However, are synthetic nitrile gloves a future replace of rubber gloves ? What does Top Glove do about this ? Some enlighten ?
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from what i know, incidences of protein allergy are minimal.. so I don't think it's major problem... more info abt protein allergy: http://www.mrepc.com/


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haha, i think unlikely to reach there la... tongue.gif
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Don't worry, even reach there the target can be reduce to RM2.50 tongue.gif
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[quote=htt,Nov 22 2008, 10:59 PM]
from what i know, incidences of protein allergy are minimal.. so I don't think it's major problem... more info abt protein allergy: http://www.mrepc.com/


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haha, i think unlikely to reach there la... tongue.gif
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Don't worry, even reach there the target can be reduce to RM2.50 tongue.gif
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haha, 2.50? 5x P/E? if like tat i will invest all my savings lo... drool.gif
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[quote=ahbeng97,Nov 23 2008, 01:15 PM]
Don't worry, even reach there the target can be reduce to RM2.50 tongue.gif
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haha, 2.50? 5x P/E? if like tat i will invest all my savings lo... drool.gif
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Thats is using EPS of previous year...I am sure this year and the following the EPS will be depreciate due to global slowdown... Don get too excited as it may slide even lower
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[quote=darkknight81,Nov 23 2008, 01:40 PM]
haha, 2.50? 5x P/E? if like tat i will invest all my savings lo... drool.gif
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Thats is using EPS of previous year...I am sure this year and the following the EPS will be depreciate due to global slowdown... Don get too excited as it may slide even lower
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I believe earnings should be quite stable la... gloves are mainly used in hospital.. even global crisis also need to use glove..

and investors are forward looking... they normally don;t look at P/E based on last year's earnings... normally ppl refers to forward P/E

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[quote=ahbeng97,Nov 23 2008, 10:48 PM]
Thats is using EPS of previous year...I am sure this year and the following the EPS will be depreciate due to global slowdown... Don get too excited as it may slide even lower
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I believe earnings should be quite stable la... gloves are mainly used in hospital.. even global crisis also need to use glove..

and investors are forward looking... they normally don;t look at P/E based on last year's earnings... normally ppl refers to forward P/E
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Lol you are too optimistic then...If it is really so stable you won see the share price tumble so much already...from RM 7.00 till RM 3.6...

Don forget all the semi conductor industries... they are using gloves a lot....most of them are close shop already
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According to JCF Consultancy Consensus, Top Glove as of 18.11.08 is ranked at 1.00. Where 1.00 is strong buy and 3.00 is strong sell.

The JCF rating is based among other criterias such as historical EPS compared to peers and against CI @ KLSE.

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Will the rising rubber price have big effect on top glove?
will the price still surge? or it is at its peak??
price now is high. at 7.25 (july 17) almost doubled since 31/12/08 which was at 3.50

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QUOTE(valthong @ Jul 20 2009, 10:20 PM)
Will the rising rubber price have big effect on top glove?
will the price still surge? or it is at its peak??
price now is high. at 7.25 (july 17) almost doubled since 31/12/08 which was at 3.50
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The price of rubber is not rising AFAIK blush.gif
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Don't look at rubber. Look at latex prices. http://www3.lgm.gov.my/mre/daily.aspx
Prices have been increasing only by 18%. Not doubled.

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Personally, I've got an overall bearish look at this industry in the medium term. Just my opinion only, but I think there's been over investment the past year and the overcapacity will start showing up in financial results towards the end of this year. Some of these analyst reports are just regurgitating past numbers and I wouldn't pay too much attention on them.
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Topglov's share price is dropping. Come down now baby...so that I can buy more of you..
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Top Glove 4Q09 net profit surges to RM56.8m

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The price had move quite a bit here
I think there are still good trade here at 8.15


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Downgrade to HOLD?

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More details :
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Downgrade to HOLD?

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I give it a BUY rating.

See my blog http://www.bursawinners.blogspot.com
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The glove manufacturing business is all about cost efficiency and Hartalega (although being a much smaller volume player) is the most efficient manufacturer in the world due to its patented high-tech manufacturing lines. This is a very disruptive model and will in time push other players out of business. Fyi, Hartalega is 3.5 times more efficient and its profit margin doubled the industry average. This means Hartalega can easily price its product at a much lower price to kill off competition. If you are a Topglove, Kossan or Supermax shareholder, be very afraid and be warned to jump ship to Harta asap.

It's just a matter of time, perhaps in the next 5-7 years, Hartalega will beat Topglove. That's why Topglove is desperate to take over Hartalega but Harta's management team rejected the offer outright (refer to this link):

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=327399

You don't reject an offer to merge with the biggest glove manufacturer unless management is confident it can beat Topglove. The only "dilemma" albeit a pleasant one, is that demand is far out strip supply. My only hope is for Harta's management team to be more aggressive in its expansion plan. It just increased its capacity this year from 3.5 billion gloves to current 6.3 billion gloves and it's immediately fully utilized! I wish they were bolder during the expansion plan and expands more aggressively.

Fyi, I'm still accumulating at RM5+ as the intrinsic value of the company is much higher than that. Shifted a few hundred thousands to the counter and will continue to buy. Harta's ROE is so good even Public Bank lose out to it! For those who have bought, NEVER sell at merely a few thousands gain. This company will grow at a CAGR in excess of 20% yearly and this will work massively in your favour the longer you keep it.

Latexx is expanding like mad and its model is not sustainable. I think it's over extending itself too thin and will likely be the next candidate to be eaten up if it's not careful of its cashflow or temporary over-capacity develops. Then, I hope Harta can gobble it up
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Top Glove is a great share I have missed. What a shame.
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QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Oct 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
Top Glove is a great share I have missed. What a shame.
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What Fair Value do you give for Top Glove? I believe it is still undervalued. Check my post in my blog: http://bursawinners.blogspot.com
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Top Glove Q1 profit almost doubles (100%) !

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html


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anyone know why topglove share price drop while the market up?
already drop 2 days while the market up...

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QUOTE(omega11alpha @ Apr 12 2010, 12:37 PM)
anyone know why topglove share price drop while the market up?
already drop 2 days while the market up...
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Glove is rated an "Underweight" call by investment houses. Thus investors are trimming their position. Just hold on it if your cost is low.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 12 2010, 12:41 PM)
Glove is rated an "Underweight" call by investment houses. Thus investors are trimming their position. Just hold on it if your cost is low.
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did those investment house give any reason why it is underweight?

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did those investment house give any reason why it is underweight?
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報告指出,我國3大手套生產商將在今年底,提高產量多達90億至120億隻手套,至于額外需求預測介于140億至150億隻,所以消費者未來或越來越不願意接受更高售價。

“乳膠價趨高,令吉兌美元匯報疲軟和能源成本或變高,提前為業者帶來賺幅壓縮的憂慮。”

大馬研究因而下修橡膠手套領域評級至“減持”,財測下調后的頂級手套和高產柅品評級降至“守住”,合理價各減至12.50令吉7.65令吉。

週五閉市時,頂級手套報13.70令吉,揚12仙,成交量64萬7500股;高產柅品收7.99令吉,,滑14仙,成交量90萬3000股。


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Strong sell make MACD histogram negative, need sometime to build up the buy volume, so price drop now...

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will it really drop to 12.50?
i wont sell them but i still feel sad if the price go down >.<
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anyone know why topglove share price drop while the market up?
already drop 2 days while the market up...
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ringgit going up
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Not only Top Glove, even other makers like Supermax, Hartalega, Kossan etc will start seeing red over rising exchange rate of our ringgit. Thats because a big chunk of their oversea business dealing is being dealt in dollars.
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USD up already http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converte...SD;to=MYR;amt=1
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plan to go in but is stil expensive
might as well use the money to buy public bank
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yea...really big difference...will go in when price drop below RM10.00 eheh...
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Tpoglove drops and faces selling pressure in the morning. It closes ar day low.

can anyone please explain why? any bad news? or is it overvalued after ex?

thank you ....
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I am not surprised it coming down. 1st it is already too over priced, 2nd the price was made / pushed before the split. Now everthing has settled down, nothing more to support the stock, I cannot see why it won't go south bound or normalized.
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Top Glove drops on JPMorgan downgrade

http://www.btimes.com.my/articles/20100727132626/Article/
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QUOTE(kroegand @ Jul 27 2010, 07:27 PM)
Thanks pal. its that JPM again. but local analysts including banks have been giving very good reviews on this counter. trading at about rm6.50, which is equivalent to rm13 before the split. i guess its a fair price to pick up?


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I am not surprised it coming down. 1st it is already too over priced, 2nd the price was made / pushed before the split. Now everthing has settled down, nothing more to support the stock, I cannot see why it won't go south bound or normalized.
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Last trade was 5.66 do you think it is a good time to buy or should I wait a few more days before they announce 2011 budget?

Or on the other hand bank in on Hartalega on US conversion from latex to nitrile gloves?

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Last trade was 5.66 do you think it is a good time to buy or should I wait a few more days before they announce 2011 budget?

Or on the other hand bank in on Hartalega on US conversion from latex to nitrile gloves?
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It's better to wait. Today's quarter earnings report shows a drop of about 30% from the previous quarter.

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It's still dropping 5.39 now, wonder if this is the affect of rubber shortage or are ppl generally getting healthier.


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i think the friday drop was due to the 4th Q unfavourable report. but yoy it sill made very healthy profit.

people where got more healthy these days ... .with most time spending in stock markets, pc, eating laksa and rojak .... haha, jk only.

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Oct 9 2010, 02:41 PM)
i think the friday drop was due to the 4th Q unfavourable report. but yoy it sill made very healthy profit.

people where got more healthy these days ... .with most time spending in stock markets, pc, eating laksa and rojak .... haha, jk only.
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Haha, you are right about Malaysian, but I was referring to the States bro, medical in US is good money. drool.gif
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tglove tradng around rm5.35 must be a good buy to me. profitable, stable management with good growth. its times better than many companies that are actively traded at the moment.

Emm, yeah agree, medical businesses in the states are good. who know, obama will need more gloves while using his blackberi ... hahaha ....
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quarterly report are out. revenue increased but profit drop almost half. Anyone still holding this stock? Jump off or jump in or to avoid this stock?
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The chart suggests that holding this stock through the ups and downs of the market will still give you a tidy profit.
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The chart suggests that holding this stock through the ups and downs of the market will still give you a tidy profit.
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Yes I agree with that as Top Glov being a major player in rubber gloves supply industry has certain competitive advantage
against small suppliers. Medical glove supply industry has a constant and continuous demand from both local and international health care
service line which ensure constant revenue to the glove suppliers. Contemporary ups and downs in market price of Top Glove does not reflect
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Yes I agree with that as Top Glov being a major player in rubber gloves supply industry has certain competitive advantage
against small suppliers. Medical glove supply industry has a constant and continuous demand from both local and international health care
service line which ensure constant revenue to the glove suppliers. Contemporary ups and downs in market price of Top Glove does not reflect
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yes, i truly agree with you. although the last release of performance drops by 30-40% it still amkes good gains of over rm34m for a quarter, not many plc here can sustain that. the recent price, i feel, doea not relfect the performance. i am making big paper losses. i went in again friday at rm5.01.
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yes, i truly agree with you. although the last release of performance drops by 30-40% it still amkes good gains of over rm34m for a quarter, not many plc here can sustain that. the recent price, i feel, doea not relfect the performance. i am making big paper losses. i went in again friday at rm5.01.
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Stock price valuation comes from EPS they can generate, profit per share, not how many million of billions company can make.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I'm seeing TOP Glove at ~4,50 now
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wow, lucky i exited when it was RM8 few months back. well gain and loss lah since some other company shares i sold also double in value
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quarterly report are out. revenue increased but profit drop almost half. Anyone still holding this stock? Jump off or jump in or to avoid this stock?
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If you havn't jump in yet, I suggest that you jump in once its quarter earnings begin to show signs of uptrend..currently is still downtrend..
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i'm working in a local investment bank now, we get reports from other investments banks.. top glove's analysis from deutsche bank suggests their forward eps (2011)has been revised downwards by 13-15% due to the increasing price of raw materials (rubber). deutsche bank has revised their recommendation to SELL . target price 4.35.

any questions, please PM me as i dont check back often.
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QUOTE(RedJacket @ Dec 19 2010, 03:15 PM)
i'm working in a local investment bank now, we get reports from other investments banks.. top glove's analysis from deutsche bank suggests their forward eps (2011)has been revised downwards by 13-15% due to the increasing price of raw materials (rubber). deutsche bank has revised their recommendation to SELL . target price 4.35.

any questions, please PM me as i dont check back often.
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how u get reports from other investment banks? internet download or???
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hi, wanna get your opinions on this stock.

Seems like the chart show it is at support level now with what look like 2 dojis at its support. All the gloves are green today except TopGlov so I am thinking it could catch up with the rest tomorrow. What do you think?
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hi, wanna get your opinions on this stock.

Seems like the chart show it is at support level now with what look like 2 dojis at its support. All the gloves are green today except TopGlov so I am thinking it could catch up with the rest tomorrow. What do you think?
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smile.gif Top Glove is biggest glove manufacturer, its favorite of FF and local Fund, not surprise it drop a lot recently
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I am very sad that this counter fails to catch up with the klci. It continues to show signs of weakness in the last qarter. Just wonder what excuses it gives other than rising cost and slowdown in orders.
Any friends have ideas?
Thans
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I guess reason may be due to low utilisation and low nitrile production. They will major gainers when dollar rises and rubber prices drop and when demand goes up as they have capacity. Other manufacturers are running close to full utilisation >90%.
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i think it is a short term crisis.
They can easily do something changes as they are the market leader.

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QUOTE(highlander124 @ Mar 7 2011, 11:21 AM)
I guess reason may be due to low utilisation and low nitrile production. They will major gainers when dollar rises and rubber prices drop and when demand goes up as they have capacity. Other manufacturers are running close to full utilisation >90%.
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very encouraging response from you pal. lets hope it is the way. yes, i still think its a short term issue, coupled with analysts' negative comments about it.
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i think it is a short term crisis.
They can easily do something changes as they are the market leader.
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Even with the selldown, the Topglove PE is still high about 11-12x, based on latest quarter report. There are other rubber glove company which is selling at even more attractive PE level & higher margins. Rubber gloves is fast becoming commoditized as new production facilities is coming on stream will will add >5 billion pieces production in 2011. Then the margins will be become even less as there will be over production. Some rubber manufacturers are moving toward higher margin nitrile surgical/specialty gloves. The nimble wins, the giant might not be able to chase.. but lets see the management's ability. icon_idea.gif Low capacity utilization is actually the killer rather than the benefit, as fully utilized caapcity enables you to produce cheaper based on your fixed overheads. rolleyes.gif

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you dare to BBB?
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Don't want. Price is not attractive enough yet, not enough margin of safety. Rubber stocks used to have low PAT margin for years and years, only shot up recently due to PAT margin improvement, but expecting margin to fall back in line. Waiting for PE=8x first. laugh.gif No rush to buy. nod.gif

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Don't want. Price is not attractive enough yet, not enough margin of safety. Rubber stocks used to have low PAT margin for years and years, only shot up recently due to PAT margin improvement, but expecting margin to fall back in line. Waiting for PE=8x first.  laugh.gif No rush to buy.  nod.gif
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YOu have a point there. However, the price is currently pegged at more than 2 yrs low. Still not a good buy?
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YOu have a point there. However, the price is currently pegged at more than 2 yrs low. Still not a good buy?
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What 2 year low? hmm.gif From the graph it is at most 6 months low, have not touched the 52 week low yet.

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what is your ideal price? RM4?
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Top Glove posts lower Q3 pre-tax profit

Top Glove Corporation Bhd has registered a lower pre-tax profit of RM43.373 million in the third quarter ended May 31, 2013, compared to RM63.683 million posted in the same period last year.

The world's largest rubber glove producer however recorded a slightly higher revenue of RM604.082 million during the quarter compared to RM603.295 million in 2012, the company said in a filing to Bursa Malaysia today.

For the nine-month period, the company posted a pre-tax profit of RM175.145 million on the back of a turnover of RM1.765 billion.

It said latex prices declined by 20.5 per cent from an average of RM7.52 per kilogramme in the third quarter of 2012 to RM5.98 per kg in the third quarter of 2013.

Meanwhile, nitrile prices fell by 27.5 per cent from an average of RM5.30 per kg in third quarter of 2012 to RM3.84 per kg in the third quarter of 2013.

Moving forward, the group, which has a total of 470 lines nitrile glove production lines to date, will increase them to 583 lines by April 2014, further boosting production capacity to 47.9 billion pieces of gloves per annum from 41.1 billion pieces


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Top Glove to increase investment to RM3.8bil

Its chairman, Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai, said this would include the cost of its 30,772-hectare rubber plantation venture in Sumatera, Indonesia.

He said its RM3.8bil investment plan will comprise RM3.1bil for the construction of 40 new factories, RM0.1 billion for investment in new information technology, RM0.15 billion for corporate building and RM0.45 billion for plantation.

Lim said Top Glove will have 25 factories by April next year with annual capacity of 47.7 billion pieces.
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today is the rebound of glove sector...~~~ rclxms.gif
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Today (23/9/13) closed at RM6.25, up 1c
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Today (23/9/13) closed at RM6.25, up 1c
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but... we see usd strengthening slowly again since y'day.

which means usa is teasing... n ben will keep doing that...

when fed says, "ok, we taper now" next month, glove makers may see stock prices spike like hell! smile.gif
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Trading in Top Glove suspended on Friday

Trading in Top Glove Corporation Bhd will release its fourth quarter results for the period ended Aug 31, 2013 on Friday.

A Bursa Malaysia Securities circular said trading in the securities of the glove maker would be suspended with effect from 9am on Friday.
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PROPOSED VOLUNTARY DELISTING OF MEDI-FLEX LIMITED (“MEDI-FLEX”), A SUBSIDIARY OF TOP GLOVE LISTED ON THE CATALIST OF THE SINGAPORE EXCHANGE SECURITIES TRADING LIMITED

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1433069
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The Company wishes to inform that the Board of Directors had resolved to recommend a Single Tier Final Dividend of 9 sen per share for the financial year ended 31 August 2013, subject to the approval of Top Glove's shareholders at the forthcoming Fifteenth Annual General Meeting.

The dates of Entitlement and Payment in respect of the aforesaid dividend will be determined and announced by Top Glove in due course.

This Announcement is dated 11 October 2013.

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Top Glove FY13 earnings dip 3.4% to RM195.85mil

Top Glove Corporation Bhd posted net profit of RM195.85mil in the financial year ended Aug 31, 2013 from RM202.27mil a year ago due to unrealised forex losses incurred on the fair value of its US Dollar denominated foreign exchange contracts.

It announced on Friday its revenue was almost flat at RM2.313bil compared with RM2.314bil due to a lower average selling price on the back of declining raw material costs.

For the fourth quarter ended Aug 31, 2013, its earnings fell 25.3% to RM47.77mil from RM64.03mil. Its revenue fell 9.7% to RM548.16mil from RM607.32mil. Earnings per share were 7.70 sen. It proposed final single tier dividend of 9.0 sen per share.

Top Glove said the group was able to maintain a dividend payout equivalent to the preceding year as its cashflow was still healthy.

“After factoring in acquisitions and capital expenditure of RM311.8mil and interim dividend payment, Top Glove still maintains a positive net cash position of RM158.4mil as well as a healthy balance sheet,” it said.

Its chairman Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai remained upbeat, commenting that: “During this challenging period, we have maintained commendable operating profit and volume growth. Hence, we have good reason to look forward to better times ahead”.

“Moving forward, we will ensure we stay ahead of market trends, responding swiftly to changes for betterment through automation, research and computerisation.”

Lim said the group would continue to increase the number of nitrile glove production lines, in line with the growing demand.

Top Glove said the second phase of expansion for Factory 27, six production lines will be added by January 2014.

Work on Top Glove’s newest plant, Factory 29 was set to ready by June 2014. This will increase the Group’s current total of 498 production lines to 520, further boosting production capacity from 43.9 billion to 46.1 billion pieces of gloves per annum.
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Top Glove to privatise Singapore unit

Top Glove Corp Bhd has launched a takeover offer for its Singapore-listed 79.77%-owned unit Medi-Flex Ltd. The buyer intends to delist Medi-Flex upon completion of the exercise.

In a statement to Bursa Malaysia, Top Glove said the firm, via wholly-owned unit Top Glove Sdn Bhd, plans to acquire the remaining 20.23% stake in Medi-Flex at 15 cents (S$0.15)/(RM0.38) each.

"The trading liquidity of the Medi-Flex shares on the SGX-ST in the past year, has been generally thin.

"In addition, in the last four years, Medi-Flex has not carried out any exercise to raise funding on the SGX-ST. Medi-Flex is unlikely to require access to Singapore capital markets, to finance its operations in the foreseeable future. Accordingly, it is not necessary for Medi-Flex to maintain a listing on the SGX-ST," Top Glove said.
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Today price drops from 6.15 to 6.00 T___T
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QUOTE(Joycelee @ Oct 14 2013, 02:43 PM)
Today price drops from 6.15 to 6.00 T___T
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Below 6.00 now - 5.98 only.

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So sad.....
From 6.15 to 5.98
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Top Glove plans RM200mil capex

Top Glove Corp Bhd plans a capex of about RM200mil for its financial year 2014 (FY14) to be allocated for its new capacity, the foray into rubber planting as well as the building of a new corporate headquarters.

Executive director Lim Cheong Guan said the capex for FY14 was broken down to RM120mil for the capacity expansion, RM30mil for its rubber plantation in Sumatera, Indonesia and RM50mil for the office tower.

“We spent more capex in 2013 largely due to acquisitions of land in Indonesia and building four new factories,” Lim said. For FY13, the group invested RM311.8mil.

Currently, the group has 498 production lines in 24 factories.

By June 2014, it aims to have 25 factories running with 520 lines, with a production capacity of 46.1 billion pieces per annum.

Of that, Top Glove targets to expand its nitrile glove production to 17 billion or 18 billion pieces per annum next year, which managing director KM Lee said was “fairly close to some of the other big nitrile glove players in the market”.

As for the plantations, if Top Glove begins the planting operations this year, it would take about seven years for the trees to mature and earnings contribution is only expected in 2020.

The group will start with 5,000 ha first out of the 30,000 ha planned.
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now the price is 5.84, will it still continue dropping?

need advice from sifu biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Joycelee @ Oct 21 2013, 10:54 AM)
now the price is 5.84, will it still continue dropping?

need advice from sifu biggrin.gif
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now maybe its the time to buy buy buy? i dont know... but this blue chip stock is certainly undervalued to me
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Description Top Glove Corporation Bhd ("Top Glove" or “the Company”) - Update on the Alleged infringement of Patent MY-140770-A



Reference is made to the announcements dated 21 & 25 January, 6 February, 6 March, 4 April, 3 May, 17 June, 24 July, 30 August and 27 September 2013 pertaining to the Civil Suit No. 22IP-3-01/2013 ("the Civil Suit").


The Company wishes to announce that the Company’s counsels have attended the case management on 28 October 2013 and the Court has allowed all parties more time to do the necessary preparation. We will make further announcement on any material development on this matter in due course.


This announcement is dated 29 October 2013.


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Top Glove Corporation Bhd is pleased to announce that its wholly-owned subsidiary, Top Glove Sdn. Bhd. has been granted with a patent titled “Former Carrying Assembly”, patent number MY-147689-A on 31 December 2012, (filed on 7 April 2006) by the Registrar of Patents, Malaysia.


“Former Carrying Assembly” is the design of the holder of the hand-moulds, which is attached to a conveyor system for the dipping of gloves. This invention has increased production output efficiency by double and added value to the glove manufacturing process.


This announcement is dated 30 October 2013.


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Single Tier Final Dividend of 9 sen per share

EX-date 08/01/2014
Entitlement date 10/01/2014
Payment date 24/01/2014
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Top Gloves lock up workers?
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/first/28087...-up-worker.html
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 18 2014, 06:52 PM)
Not workers, just 1 worker.

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Drop in qoq n yoy PAT
PE @ 18.5x
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1571025
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 20 2014, 02:11 PM)
Even Hartalega profit drop... the rest better becareful.

Seem like Kossan the only with better profit to report...

BTW, Hartalega's Sepang plant is on the way liao but still very early. Not even a single line is assembled yet but soon to be, maybe before Hari Raya.

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Top Glove tumbles on weaker financial results
http://www.nst.com.my/business/latest/top-...esults-1.524610
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Over capacity liao. Price war incoming.
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thumb up. last done RM4.55
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thumb up. last done RM4.55
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thumb up. last done RM4.55
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Well done! Now RM4.70 already!
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Hi all expert,

I received thr share buy back statement from top glove. Not really sure do i need to take any action ? And they attached with the procy form too. Thanks
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Hi all expert,

I received thr share buy back statement from top glove. Not really sure do i need to take any action ? And they attached with the procy form too.  Thanks
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No action
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very very red now

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what's the reason that this counter suddenly drop so much?
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QUOTE(eric84cool @ Jul 9 2018, 02:02 PM)
what's the reason that this counter suddenly drop so much?
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Related to recent acquisition, Aspion.


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the current price still not attractive considered the high PE.

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will today be another red?????
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those who bought at 9 or below congrats smile.gif
I like to see i3 forum those who jerit will red till rm7 are all quiet now..

that forum is quite cancerous, but sure is informative.
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roller coaster up and down
still holding till bonus issue
but when is it??!
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QUOTE(nikewee @ Jul 10 2018, 02:27 PM)
those who bought at 9 or below congrats smile.gif
I like to see i3 forum those who jerit will red till rm7 are all quiet now..

that forum is quite cancerous, but sure is informative.
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they diam diam buy at RM7, didnt ask you to buy only, keep telling you to sell so that you make losses and they can by at Rm7 and gain from there.

if nobody sell, where will the price goes down? hence, they have to create some panic lor.
you think such a big company can close shop easily and have to panic sell meh?
you see the game plan?
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I think people are wary of this counter as they are currently in a legal tussle with Aspion as Topglove said they overpaid Aspion by over 600million when acquiring them.
The are suspecting fraud as Aspion could have inflated their financial figures.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2018/07/10/...-rm6405m-aspion

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 9 2018, 09:57 AM)
they diam diam buy at RM7, didnt ask you to buy only, keep telling you to sell so that you make losses and they can by at Rm7 and gain from there.

if nobody sell, where will the price goes down? hence, they have to create some panic lor.
you think such a big company can close shop easily and have to panic sell meh?
you see the game plan?
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couldn't agree anymore, their comments are really toxic, has no responsibility hoohaa here and there
I only take those informative comment now, other just very 'personal' view rclxub.gif


QUOTE(ckseong80 @ Aug 9 2018, 10:03 AM)
I think people are wary of this counter as they are currently in a legal tussle with Aspion as Topglove said they overpaid Aspion by over 600million when acquiring them.
The are suspecting fraud as Aspion could have inflated their financial figures.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2018/07/10/...-rm6405m-aspion
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yes you are right, thats why it plunge from RM12 bye.gif to RM 9 that time and I had no bullet to masuk
but it recover in 1 week to RM10 (which is 10% increase in 5 day time) due to oversold

no update so far after some negative result from topglove againt aspion, but so far it still going strong without positive news
which I can said 'investor' are still positive on their FA, especially US tradewar + ringgit depreciation


so i still waiting for bonus issue that could bring down PE? (correct me if wrong)
see harta fly so happy sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nikewee @ Aug 9 2018, 11:41 AM)
no update so far after some negative result from topglove againt aspion, but so far it still going strong without positive news
which I can said 'investor' are still positive on their FA, especially US tradewar + ringgit depreciation
so i still waiting for bonus issue that could bring down PE? (correct me if wrong)
see harta fly so happy  sweat.gif
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Bonus issue won't bring down PE

Bonus issue or not, it makes little different (except for market liquidity).

Eg. If bonus issue is 1:1

10 lot x Rm10.00
vs
20 Lot x Rm5.00

(closing vs open market price will be ex according the the bonus ratio

EPS was 40 cen
after 1:1 bonus
EPS will become 20 cents.

PE will be still the same, shareholder holding value will be the same before ex and after bonus.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 9 2018, 02:25 PM)
Bonus issue won't bring down PE

Bonus issue or not, it makes little different (except for market liquidity).

Eg. If bonus issue is 1:1

10 lot x Rm10.00
vs
20 Lot x Rm5.00

(closing vs open market price will be ex according the the bonus ratio

EPS was 40 cen
after 1:1 bonus
EPS will become 20 cents.

PE will be still the same, shareholder holding value will be the same before ex and after bonus.
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my bad not doing enough homework tongue.gif
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Bila bonus issue?
Bila court case out?

I still want tembak more when it down sad.gif
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dah bonus issue but can see ppl sell off ambil profit

i alr out of this stock but waiting chance to reenter :/

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What will happen when this stock split?

As share holder we need to do anything? Or they will issue us another stock?
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https://klse.i3investor.com/entitlement/711..._2882141513.jsp

I yet to experience bonus issue as newbie. (Panic sold before BI)
but I guess you will get your units on 26 Oct.

Better let expert explain.
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Sifus,

Why I have not get the extea share yet?
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not sifu but should get it on Monday?
same question asked in i3 but noone answered.
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Hi. What is the result of the court case between Top Glove n the Aspion ?

As a newbie I hv intetion to buy this stock as my 1st stock since the price now drop around 5 - 6 ....
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QUOTE(Kjk014 @ Nov 10 2018, 11:27 PM)
Hi. What is the result of the court case between Top Glove n the Aspion ?

As a newbie I hv intetion to buy this stock as my 1st stock since the price now drop around 5 - 6 ....
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my first stock (actually second, first is goreng and sell within a week) also.
if long term yes, just buy as an better option than mutual fund.

not suitable for short term play. if you scare u can wait for the result.

FYI I already clear all topglove due to financial need, and high PE, and overall global sentiment.
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Come promote my counter and I just in last friday,
today alr runtuh, buy toto also not so accurate.

btw the support is strong, D.Lee also first second make explanation.

I will trust in him, this is what a international company should be. Be transparent, be honest, be responsible to ALL shareholders.

5% still affordable IMO, compare to other company bad news
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Im noob in stock exchange or share price what ever

so any sifu advice got company share 15.7 lot at price 4.90 now current share price 4.75 how long should i wait and at what price should i sell? for me to wait till price up 7.00 then sell liao
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is it a good timing to masuk top glove ?
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is it a good timing to masuk top glove ?
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stock is down, time to buy more then sell higher
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QUOTE(wendygoh @ Aug 10 2020, 04:40 PM)
stock is down, time to buy more then sell higher
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lol thats May 2019 message ....if he bought at May 2019 and keep till now could had earn a hefty 5x

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What Fair Value do you give for Top Glove? I believe it is still undervalued. Check my post in my blog: http://bursawinners.blogspot.com
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The intrinsic value is based on the projection of the business, not the demand from the share market. At this price, its is overvalue no matter what kind of valuation method u use.
You buy this share now is not by its value but its price.
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QUOTE(wendygoh @ Aug 10 2020, 04:40 PM)
stock is down, time to buy more then sell higher
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u dig up an old thread, very timely!!

plenty of things to discuss about TG these days.

and the other big 3.
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with such results from supermax, topglove shud fly tmr too.

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3076130
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QUOTE(Ziet Inv @ Aug 10 2020, 04:54 PM)
lol haha necro old thread
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Some of the pre 2018 posters probably millionaire already biggrin.gif

Assuming they hold tg until now
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 10 2020, 10:52 PM)
Some of the pre 2018 posters probably millionaire already biggrin.gif

Assuming they hold tg until now
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Interesting to see how far this thread has come through blush.gif
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as supermax's stellar results get digested, we may see some serious movement for TG tmr.

TG's high was rm29.30 on aug 7, close rm27.20 today.


some recent news on TG and related:

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Rally still intact, analyst says after glove counters decline for two days
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/rall...ecline-two-days

Top Glove still resolving US ban, remediation fee now at RM53m
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...ow-rm53-million

Top Glove chairman alleges activist 'sabotage' amid forced labour claims
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...d-labour-claims

Malaysian glove firm says 2020 will be record year as COVID-19 drives demand | Video
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/videos...vid-19-12918796

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/ptg/7113.jsp
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 11 2020, 12:29 AM)
as supermax's stellar results get digested, we may see some serious movement for TG tmr.

TG's high was rm29.30 on aug 7, close rm27.20 today.
some recent news on TG and related:
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I can’t believe the TP 30 is about to be realized
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I can’t believe the TP 30 is about to be realized
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i can see it achieved today.
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For those who missed the interview on Bloomberg


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guy what is your average cost and when to sell?
I believe most of you guy are earning in this sector no matter what unless you are new buyer in RM 28-29.
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sell at RM100
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guy what is your average cost and when to sell?
I believe most of you guy are earning in this sector no matter what unless you are new buyer in RM 28-29.
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Wait until bonus issue lah.
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QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Aug 11 2020, 10:54 PM)
For those who missed the interview on Bloomberg
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in video, MD lee took pains to explain what they r doing about the foreign workers.

related reuters report:

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Racing to reverse U.S. ban, Malaysia's Top Glove improves workers' housing
Liz Lee
3 MIN READ

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia’s Top Glove Corp (TPGC.KL) is working rapidly to resolve this month issues that prompted a U.S. Customs import ban, including improving its migrant workers’ living conditions, its managing director said on Tuesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-topglove...g-idUSKCN2571ZL

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post recent supermax qtrly results, there have been new target prices (TP) from various banks/houses:

supermax
11/08/2020 0.00 25.00 +25.00 (0.00%) BUY NOMURA Price Target News
11/08/2020 24.30 24.19 -0.11 (0.45%) BUY MIDF Price Target News
11/08/2020 24.30 25.45 +1.15 (4.73%) BUY KENANGA Price Target News
11/08/2020 0.00 27.00 +27.00 (0.00%) BUY CIMB Price Target News
11/08/2020 24.30 33.00 +8.70 (35.80%) BUY Affin Hwang Capital

harta
11/08/2020 18.90 21.70 +2.80 (14.81%) HOLD PUBLIC BANK Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 18.44 -0.46 (2.43%) HOLD MalaccaSecurities Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 26.22 +7.32 (38.73%) BUY KENANGA Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 24.10 +5.20 (27.51%) BUY HLG Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 24.30 +5.40 (28.57%) BUY CIMB Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 18.74 -0.16 (0.85%) HOLD AmInvest Price Target News
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Top Glove drop to 25 again. Can top up?
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many sifu say can top up now
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many sifu say can top up now
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Sifoo also must be trapped.
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in video, MD lee took pains to explain what they r doing about the foreign workers.

related reuters report:
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Yeah

Good for them although would have been better if they got ahead of it especially since it was brought up like a year or two ago and they did more of a PR job that time also but hopefully this time they are taking real steps.


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many sifu say can top up now
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Same sifu that says ytd will see $30?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 12 2020, 07:58 AM)
post recent supermax qtrly results, there have been new target prices (TP) from various banks/houses:

supermax
11/08/2020 0.00 25.00 +25.00 (0.00%) BUY NOMURA Price Target News
11/08/2020 24.30 24.19 -0.11 (0.45%) BUY MIDF Price Target News
11/08/2020 24.30 25.45 +1.15 (4.73%) BUY KENANGA Price Target News
11/08/2020 0.00 27.00 +27.00 (0.00%) BUY CIMB Price Target News
11/08/2020 24.30 33.00 +8.70 (35.80%) BUY Affin Hwang Capital

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11/08/2020 18.90 21.70 +2.80 (14.81%) HOLD PUBLIC BANK Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 18.44 -0.46 (2.43%) HOLD MalaccaSecurities Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 26.22 +7.32 (38.73%) BUY KENANGA Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 24.10 +5.20 (27.51%) BUY HLG Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 24.30 +5.40 (28.57%) BUY CIMB Price Target News
11/08/2020 18.90 18.74 -0.16 (0.85%) HOLD AmInvest Price Target News
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Affin bank cant believe one. They also target tg > 100.

Lets see how the gloves market turns up. It getting more and more interesting, regardless its going up or down.
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Same sifu that says ytd will see $30?
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i can see it achieved today.
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no, still waiting on RM30!


TG shareholders, u probably like to know...

1. TG boss Lim WC bought 2 mil or about rm50mil TG shares today.... becos many kept selling.
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/glovehari...ack_TOPGLOV.jsp

2. Citigroup has this to say:

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Eye-popping rally in Asian glove-maker stocks will continue, Citi says

Malaysia’s Top Glove Corp Bhd and Kossan Rubber Industries Bhd can each climb by about 75% over the next 12 months as the pandemic drives unprecedented growth in sales and profits for the sector, Megat Fais, an analyst, wrote in a note on Tuesday.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/eyep...tinue-citi-says


so... buy, sell, keep... whatever...

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 12 2020, 09:54 PM)
no, still waiting on RM30!
TG shareholders, u probably like to know...

1. TG boss Lim WC bought 2 mil or about rm50mil TG shares today.... becos many kept selling.
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/glovehari...ack_TOPGLOV.jsp

2. Citigroup has this to say:
so... buy, sell, keep... whatever...
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#1 SHould be a red flag
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citigroup now has the highest TP for TG - rm48.10.

previously, it was affin's rm46.

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/ptres/56256.jsp
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/eyep...tinue-citi-says
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Aug 13 2020, 10:50 AM)
#1 SHould be a red flag
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why is it a red flag?
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Sozai.. even if he bought with RM54mil, his avg price is still way below any of you in this forum. Lets not talk about other ESOS or whatever derivative instruments he has. Don't try to defend the tumbling price action by using a magnifying glass trying to find one tiny "good things" about holding your current position (either earn less due to the recent selling / loosing since bought at the wrong timing). Cut loss is the key for ikan bilis unless you are talking about the position size of your TG is only 2% of your total capital. Then you are a season trader.
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remember stock market is 6 mth ahead
observe supermx after good qr release, most of them throw ticket only.

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When is the last day to buy in for bonus issue ya ?
Should buy in before or after bonus issue?
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Bonus Issue
TOP GLOVE CORPORATION BHD

Entitlement subject Bonus Issue
Entitlement description Bonus issue of up to 5,476,974,322 new ordinary shares in Top Glove Corporation Bhd ("Top Glove") ("Bonus Shares") on the basis of two (2) Bonus Shares for one (1) existing ordinary share held in Top Glove as at 5.00 p.m. on 4 September 2020 ("Entitlement Date").
Shareholder's Approval Yes
Ex-Date 03 Sep 2020
Entitlement date 04 Sep 2020
Entitlement time 5:00 PM
Available/Listing Date 07 Sep 2020
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3078486


meaning to get the bonus/split shares:

u must hold the shares at 5pm 2 sep 2020.
the shares will be split, listed on 7 sep.
opening price = 1/3 of closing price 5pm, 4 sep 2020
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Ready to fly within this few weeks! Coming weeks with ikan bilis salary paid, bonus issue(SUPERMX) and QR financial report.

No wonder big shareholders of TOPGLOV are acquiring shares from 12-Aug onward......

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/stocks/view...corporation-bhd

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TG 18 Aug 2020 EGM minutes summary:

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/glovehari...ail_minutes.jsp


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Yes top glove cont up up up.
Gonna buy new house soon smile.gif
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friday tomorrow, will it be profit taking day?
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friday tomorrow, will it be profit taking day?
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i let you know tmr bro!
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haha... seems not. hope closing can break 28
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now the biggie issue....
what will be the final price before split?
RM30.....RM10
RM40.....RM13

it will be fun on Sep 7
seeing

Harta RM20
Kossan RM17

TG...RM13
Supermax RM11

Guess which investor will buy especially normal investor..

Supermax have announced dividend 1 treasury share for 45 held share

TG......have yet to announce..

This is interesting
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Aug 21 2020, 07:46 PM)
now the biggie issue....
what will be the final price before split?
RM30.....RM10
RM40.....RM13

it will be fun on Sep 7
seeing

Harta RM20
Kossan RM17

TG...RM13
Supermax RM11

Guess which investor will buy especially normal investor..

Supermax have announced dividend 1 treasury share for 45 held share

TG......have yet to announce..

This is interesting
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Sep2, i say 30.0x.

Keep some room for rise after split.

Final dividend shud be gud... how about 50sen per share?! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 21 2020, 08:15 PM)
Sep2, i say 30.0x.

Keep some room for rise after split.

Final dividend shud be gud... how about 50sen per share?! tongue.gif
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sure bor ? this is indeed waterfall...
50 cent is bloody good.

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Aug 22 2020, 05:06 PM)
sure bor ? this is indeed waterfall...
50 cent is bloody good.
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that's a fantasy no. and for old shares. tongue.gif

well... if we do some maths...

last 3 qtrs, PAT = 347.9+115.7+111.4=575mil.
https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/stk/annqtyres/7113.jsp

if last qtr PAT is 1.4bil as those analysts estimate, full yr PAT becomes 1.975bil.
if we simply take 50% to be paid as dividend as per declaration below, we get 1975/2/2708 shares = 36.5sen per share.
https://www.topglove.com/dividend-information/
since 10sen was already given in june, balance is 26.5 or say 27 sen.
since it will be declared on sep 17 QR day, the shares wud have already split 1 into 3 - we get 9 sen per share.

check supermax... declared bonus of 1 treasury share for every 45 post split shares.
assume current share price is rm21, post split 1 into 2, that bonus share is worth 21/2/45 for every new share = 23sen per share.

TG's 9 sen cash dividend would be comparable to supermax's 23sen worth in shares - post split.

just smoking weed... anyone has a better estimate, do share! tongue.gif

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Top Glove: Demand and ASP continue to rise
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Macquarie Equities Research (MQ Research) summarised a presentation held by the Top Glove’s Executive Director in the ASEAN Conference. Strong glove demand is reaffirmed as enquiries for spot orders continue to rise with Top Glove’s observation of a shortage in the market currently. Top Glove shared its plan to increase the average selling price (ASP) and spot prices in September and October while sharing its view of that an oversupply may not be likely to happen in 2021 despite having a lot of new entrants into the sector. MQ Research maintains Top Glove’s target price at RM30.40.
Read on for more.
https://www.malaysiawarrants.com.my/marketn...ghlight&id=6417

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Tomorrow will receive BI. Another goreng round ?
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Tomorrow will receive BI. Another goreng round ?
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2 days later.....

no more party ehhh?
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They still hoping lol. Let's see how good power of hope can be
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tonight's 9pm 8tv interview with TG chairman Lim Chee Wai will probably be along the lines of below new articles.

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In latest message, Top Glove chairman asserts 'extremely robust quarters ahead’ on order build-up
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/late...d-order-buildup

Story : Malaysia Top Glove Company & Founder Lim Wee Chai – USD 4.6 Billion Net Worth & Share Price Could Reach RM77.60
https://thecoverage.my/story-malaysia-top-g...-reach-rm77-60/
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PE ratio for this stock damn high wey. 180+

On one hand, I feel like I want to goreng and get 10 lots. On the other hand, it looks very overvalued
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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ Sep 14 2020, 10:01 AM)
PE ratio for this stock damn high wey. 180+

On one hand, I feel like I want to goreng and get 10 lots. On the other hand, it looks very overvalued
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Should goreng last week
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PE ratio for this stock damn high wey. 180+

On one hand, I feel like I want to goreng and get 10 lots. On the other hand, it looks very overvalued
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After next QR is out it won't be 180x.
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PE ratio for this stock damn high wey. 180+

On one hand, I feel like I want to goreng and get 10 lots. On the other hand, it looks very overvalued
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goreng and overvalued, how to put these 2 things together?? don't make sense.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Sep 14 2020, 02:18 PM)
goreng and overvalued, how to put these 2 things together?? don't make sense.
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Doesn't goreng mean you buy, hold for a while as prices rise and sell in the short term?

Kinda scared to do this if the share is overvalued. Less likely to rise big
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noob question, how to know when Top Glove to release quarter report ? thanks
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noob question, how to know when Top Glove to release quarter report ? thanks
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They must release quarter report 2 months after quarter end. Their next quarter result for 31 Aug must release before 31 october. Usually companies will release in the last 2 weeks before the deadline.
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noob question, how to know when Top Glove to release quarter report ? thanks
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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ Sep 14 2020, 10:01 AM)
PE ratio for this stock damn high wey. 180+

On one hand, I feel like I want to goreng and get 10 lots. On the other hand, it looks very overvalued
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Depends on how you calculate the PE ratio. If you estimate based on the next 4 quarter earnings. It's undervalued as of now. TP should be at least RM14 (based on PE 30) after tomorrow's qr results (if the rumored 1bil pat is right and provided if they are able to maintain the same quarter to quarter earnings in 2021).

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Top Glove Corp Bhd is targeting for a listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange by next year.

Its chairman Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai said that the group is currently talking to bankers for the potential initial public offering (IPO) of Top Glove for the third time after Bursa Malaysia and Singapore.

Lim pointed out that the listing in Hong Kong is to expand the company presence and be more visible to the global market.


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TG still worth to buy now?
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TG still worth to buy now?
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If u buy for short term profit, no one can assure u that. If long term like 2 to 4 years, good prospect
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Will Topglov, going to spend another 100million to buy from rm6 to rm8? On 22 Sep 2020?

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for the record as of 23 sep:

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Total number of shares purchased and/or held as treasury shares against total number of issued shares of the listed issuer (%) 0.60947
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3090366



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Notice of Interest Sub. S-hldr (Section 137 of CA 2016)
TOP GLOVE CORPORATION BHD
Particulars of Substantial Securities Holder
Name EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD

Date interest acquired & no of securities acquired
Date interest acquired 18 Sep 2020
No of securities 13,695,800
Circumstances by reason of which Securities Holder has interest Acquisition and disposal of shares.
Nature of interest Direct Interest

Total no of securities after change
Direct (units)
410,699,290
Direct (%)
5.051
Indirect/deemed interest (units)
Indirect/deemed interest (%)
Date of notice 21 Sep 2020
Date notice received by Listed Issuer 23 Sep 2020
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Topg love ESOS again tomorrow, time for collect cheap, but seeing the SBB pattern, seems like not much party, hoping to collect at rm7 lol
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TOPGLOV - Notice of Book Closure
TOP GLOVE CORPORATION BHD
Single Tier Final Dividend of 8.5 sen per share

Further to Reference No.  ILC-18092020-00007, kindly be advised of the following :
1)  The above Company's securities will be traded and quoted "Ex - Dividend” as from: 19 Oct 2020 (Instead of 17 Nov 2020 )
2)  The last date of lodgment : 20 Oct 2020 (Instead of 18 Nov 2020 )
3)  Date Payable : 03 Nov 2020  (Instead of 1 Dec 2020 )
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3090437


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Now that the price is dropping macam somebody taking profit. I wonder what the price will be like ex-entitlement
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Now that the price is dropping macam somebody taking profit. I wonder what the price will be like ex-entitlement
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theoretically, the immediate price ex-entitlement or ex-price will be the closing price minus the dividends to be declared/paid.
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Top Glove mulls raising US$1 bil in Hong Kong listing
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...g-kong-listing/


USD1bil = 4138/8.80 = 470 million shares = 5.7% NOSH = about same as what EPF is holding.

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Who here kena burned badly? I admit I did and loss position now at -RM 500

Should not have speculated. But luckily it was just a small portion of my overall portfolio only
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i think top glove susah now....sleepy. 6 working days away from tg QR....last time 6 days from glove QRs all strong strong bull should be quite hard already sad.gif sad.gif
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Should be flying anytime soon after SPMX.

I still hold TG, originally wanted to sell last Friday but I believe in the fundamentals.
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Expect price movement before qr.
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hopefully sir...those days up rm1 easily not a problem..this time if it's possible to up 50 cents...i guess also good enough icon_question.gif
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Anybody attending the AGM this time around?
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if you take the price now divided by pre covid-19 quarters, the PE ratio is as high as 40-50, still good to own now meh?

unless they take the profit for 2020 to aggressively expand or do something else, if not for me, it seems like it's a slow growth stock
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Toglove's Past Performance VS Future Growth Forecast (informative short video)
Is the current price perfectly reflected the decline of future growth in surgical glove industry to you?
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It's interesting that the insiders are buying. They seem to think anything below RM7 is a buy.
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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jan 7 2021, 03:53 PM)
if you take the price now divided by pre covid-19 quarters, the PE ratio is as high as 40-50, still good to own now meh?

unless they take the profit for 2020 to aggressively expand or do something else, if not for me, it seems like it's a slow growth stock
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Nobody is expecting glove sales to go back to pre-covid levels.

The average analyst prediction for revenue in FY22 is roughly RM15bn.

Throw in the predicted RM10bn profits for FY21 and you have a bargain stock.

Sales will decline in FY23 but will still be way higher than FY19.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/bull...21-falling-fy22
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Nobody is expecting glove sales to go back to pre-covid levels.

The average analyst prediction for revenue in FY22 is roughly RM15bn.

Throw in the predicted RM10bn profits for FY21 and you have a bargain stock.

Sales will decline in FY23 but will still be way higher than FY19.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/bull...21-falling-fy22
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Current demand of face mask is a few times of pre-pandemic level but some could get price cheaper than pre pandemic due to supply>demand. Similarly will occur to gloves.

If immunization proceed as planned, gloves demand in u.s and e.u will likely waterfall in Q3/21.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 6 2021, 01:02 PM)
Current demand of face mask is a few times of pre-pandemic level but some could get price cheaper than pre pandemic due to supply>demand. Similarly will occur to gloves.

If immunization proceed as planned, gloves demand in u.s and e.u will likely waterfall in Q3/21.
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Yeah, that's not what the analysts are predicting though.

Face masks are being bought by individuals but gloves aren't. Gloves are bought by hospitals and medical facilities mostly. Hospitals in Europe and the US are running at full capacity, hence the lockdowns. A lot of surgery is being postponed because the hospitals are full of covid patients. When the pandemic ends, those hospitals will return to 90% capacity. Nurses and doctors will still need to wear gloves and dispose of them once used on one patient.

We will see a fall in glove sales but only to 80-90% of pandemic sales.
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Yeah, that's not what the analysts are predicting though.

Face masks are being bought by individuals but gloves aren't. Gloves are bought by hospitals and medical facilities mostly. Hospitals in Europe and the US are running at full capacity, hence the lockdowns. A lot of surgery is being postponed because the hospitals are full of covid patients. When the pandemic ends, those hospitals will return to 90% capacity. Nurses and doctors will still need to wear gloves and dispose of them once used on one patient.

We will see a fall in glove sales but only to 80-90% of pandemic sales.
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Yeah, that's not what the analysts are predicting though.

Face masks are being bought by individuals but gloves aren't. Gloves are bought by hospitals and medical facilities mostly. Hospitals in Europe and the US are running at full capacity, hence the lockdowns. A lot of surgery is being postponed because the hospitals are full of covid patients. When the pandemic ends, those hospitals will return to 90% capacity. Nurses and doctors will still need to wear gloves and dispose of them once used on one patient.

We will see a fall in glove sales but only to 80-90% of pandemic sales.
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The analysts are predicting that the demand for gloves will continue to be high through 2023.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines.../strong-rebound
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The analysts are predicting that the demand for gloves will continue to be high through 2023.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines.../strong-rebound
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It is natural for vested to believe high demand and high asp to last for many years. However, the reality will be different.

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Dividend payment is one off; share price may drop after priced in or ex-dividend. topg, supermax, etc should use extraordinary profit for investment in other industry for long term growth.

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Dividend payment is one off; share price may drop after priced in or ex-dividend. topg, supermax, etc should use extraordinary profit for investment in other industry for long term growth.
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For TG to venture into another industry is an outright dumb idea.
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For TG to venture into another industry is an outright dumb idea.
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That would depends on the top management. there are many plc e.g aagb badly affected by the pandemic which topg could pick up for a quarterly profit and these companies could generate income after pandemic and glove elevated asp has ended.

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That would depends on the top management. there are many plc e.g aagb badly affected by the pandemic which topg could pick up for a quarterly profit and these companies could generate income after pandemic and glove elevated asp has ended.
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When it could, doesn’t mean it should. TG is world-leader in the glove manufacturing industry, shareholders invest in TG for that sole reason, not for them to expand to an industry they have no expertise in. Glove demand continues to soar even AFTER pandemic ends, one will not be receptive to FACTS when the mind is closed.
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When it could, doesn’t mean it should. TG is world-leader in the glove manufacturing industry, shareholders invest in TG for that sole reason, not for them to expand to an industry they have no expertise in. Glove demand continues to soar even AFTER pandemic ends, one will not be receptive to FACTS when the mind is closed.
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glove demand after pandemic ends may be higher than pre-pandemic level but price could be lower like face mask.

with appropriate package, top management could be head hunted. buying into existing business with existing management is lower risks than start up.

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glove demand after pandemic ends may be higher than pre-pandemic level but price could be lower like face mask.

with appropriate package, top management could be head hunted. buying into existing business with existing management is lower risks than start up.
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The idea is to expand the business of its own expertise and not venturing into the unknown, and not every business needs to be a conglomerate.

In contrary to the herd mentality, the relation between glove demand and pandemic is irrelevant.

Old dogs can’t be taught new tricks.
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The idea is to expand the business of its own expertise and not venturing into the unknown, and not every business needs to be a conglomerate.

In contrary to the herd mentality, the relation between glove demand and pandemic is irrelevant.

Old dogs can’t be taught new tricks.
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How did you rate Supermax and its 100 million investment into the contact lens business then? wink.gif
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How did you rate Supermax and its 100 million investment into the contact lens business then? wink.gif
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Contact lenses segment is under healthcare industry, and Supermax has been in it all these while. Not jumping into an irrelevant industry like acquiring AAGB mentioned by icemanx. It’s stupid.

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Contact lenses segment is under healthcare industry, and Supermax has been in it all these while. Not jumping into an irrelevant industry like AAGB as mentioned by icemanx. It’s stupid.
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Well... I have 2 problems with it la.

1. Biggest one is ... all we ever hear is the contact lens business is expanding here and there... but till this very day, I've yet to see any P&L for that 100 million spent.

2. And the business was setup and managed by his daughter, who had just graduated. Yeah... father business what... but then... last I remember, this is a plc.

Sadly... shareholder activisms is so pathetic .... no one complained. No one bothers that there is no segmental p&l spent on the contact lens business....



P/S.... just my usual grumbly self.... laugh.gif

... and just in case... I lupa.... have a good holiday and if you are celebrating.... yummm sing cheers.gif


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 10 2021, 05:08 PM)
Well... I have 2 problems with it la.

1. Biggest one is ... all we ever hear is the contact lens business is expanding here and there... but till this very day, I've yet to see any P&L for that 100 million spent.

2. And the business was setup and managed by his daughter, who had just graduated. Yeah... father business what... but then... last I remember, this is a plc.

Sadly... shareholder activisms is so pathetic .... no one complained. No one bothers that there is no segmental p&l spent on the contact lens business....
P/S.... just my usual grumbly self....  laugh.gif

... and just in case... I lupa.... have a good holiday and if you are celebrating.... yummm sing  cheers.gif
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You too Boon, Happy Chinese New Year. Hope you and family be blessed abundantly. Cheers! biggrin.gif

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Contact lenses segment is under healthcare industry, and Supermax has been in it all these while. Not jumping into an irrelevant industry like acquiring AAGB mentioned by icemanx. It’s stupid.
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You too Boon, Happy Chinese New Year. Hope you and family be blessed abundantly. Cheers! biggrin.gif
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Thank you thank you!! Thank you for the kind words.

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You remember this.
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For reasons, the herd is destined to end up in the slaughterhouse or over the cliff.
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indeed. we could revisit here after pandemic has ended and review topg business.

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indeed. we could revisit here after pandemic has ended and review topg business.
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It is natural for those non-vested to believe demand and asp will drop after pandemic. However, the reality will be different.
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Time will tell and won't need to wait long.


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Time will tell and won't need to wait long.
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If one understands how syndicate operates will think otherwise.

Ps: only a donkey would think TG should acquire (bail out I mean) AA.laugh.gif

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If one understands how syndicate operates will think otherwise.
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Most retailers have no idea they were syndicate's prey.

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Most retailers have no idea they were syndicate's prey.
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TOPGLOVE break below RM4, I bought some. Anyone bought too?
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TOPGLOVE break below RM4, I bought some. Anyone bought too?
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All gloves drop like hell, still buy?
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All gloves drop like hell, still buy?
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The growth doubled every 3 years and 70% goes dividend payout

Even EPF is buying into just for dividends

But the company is still overvalued coupled with upcoming cheaper competitions so let’s see then because they have already lost the key customers until they resolve the labour issues
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covid pumped it too high... otherwise should peaked around rm 3.6-4...and retrace to rm 2.5 would be good entry
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If you have gloves stock now either to cut loss or hold for the long run... i don't think any big institution will be pumping gloves stocks in the near future.
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covid pumped it too high... otherwise should peaked around rm 3.6-4...and retrace to rm 2.5 would be good entry
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2.5 is laughably low. Sure ASP and demand will normalize. But don't forget the CASH they accumulated and investments made.

3.5 seems fair by JP morgan
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If you have gloves stock now either to cut loss or hold for the long run... i don't think any big institution will be pumping gloves stocks in the near future.
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have to hold for long run. haha loss is too high..
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2.5 is laughably low. Sure ASP and demand will normalize. But don't forget the CASH they accumulated and investments made.

3.5 seems fair by JP morgan
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Not long ago, 3.5 was laughable low by many.
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Well, not me. I actually thought that's fair
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With all intents and purposes, topg has reached last December JPM target price.

Next question, will topg overshoot and by how much?
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Well, not me. I actually thought that's fair
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With all intents and purposes, topg has reached last December JPM target price.

Next question, will topg overshoot and by how much?
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Based on TA, fair value trend line is at rm2.60 to rm3 range. I'm planning to collect if it falls within that range.
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covid pumped it too high... otherwise should peaked around rm 3.6-4...and retrace to rm 2.5 would be good entry
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Agree. Might have to wait a few more months... I feel it's due for a rebound already, should see it being pumped back up to >rm4 soon before final retracement to rm2.60 thereabout.
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QUOTE(cucumber @ Jul 8 2021, 07:25 PM)
Based on TA, fair value trend line is at rm2.60 to rm3 range. I'm planning to collect if it falls within that range.
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No point to buy if it falls into this range. Dividend yield will be lower at that time. Unless u plan to hold long.
Next week would be good time to pump and wait announcement for factory reopen, imho
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QUOTE(tailangong @ Jul 8 2021, 07:59 PM)
No point to buy if it falls into this range. Dividend yield will be lower at that time. Unless u plan to hold long.
Next week would be good time to pump and wait announcement for factory reopen, imho
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Yea, for long term hold.
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QUOTE(cucumber @ Jul 8 2021, 07:37 PM)
Agree. Might have to wait a few more months... I feel it's due for a rebound already, should see it being pumped back up to >rm4 soon before final retracement to rm2.60 thereabout.
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3.5 as nice psychological number... probably bounce there...

2.8 is my lowest guess... will re-guess after the bounce laugh.gif

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Police are investigating Top Glove for allegedly moving 1,606 of its workers out of their dormitories in Petaling Jaya to eight hotels prior to the imposition of an enhanced movement control order (MCO) there.

https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/582422
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Anyone knows what is TG price before covid after considering the split.
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Forced labour claims in Malaysian glove industry intensify as Covid-19-driven demand leads to significant change in supply chain — report

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/forc...nificant-change

If current practice persist, e.u and u.k are likely to blacklist certain companies or products.

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topglov back to RM4+
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hi all - what is your opinion on the long term growth of this company? from my limited knowledge, i dont think they can replicate last year earnings (due to Covid glove demand?) that reflect the high share price, what do u think on the future growth?
thanks!
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topglov back to RM4+
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Now back below 4

Till they settle with CBP no way it will go up above 4.50 anytime this year
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Factories reopened, demand surge. Next week is a good week.
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...o-boost-exports
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QUOTE(lynnssssss @ Jul 15 2021, 09:55 PM)
hi all - what is your opinion on the long term growth of this company? from my limited knowledge, i dont think they can replicate last year earnings  (due to Covid glove demand?) that reflect the high share price, what do u think on the future growth?
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1) New Competitors (Not only from Malaysia) booming up.
2) ASP dropping
3) panic buy dropping
4) government getting poorer (forcing them closer to collect windfall tax)
5) US keep condemning Malaysia glove makers time to time.
6) more costly to resolve labour wellness issue. (unless they fully reformed into IR 4.0 with minimum labour)

conclusion: not until next massive pandemic in 5 to 10 years to have the same miracle happen again.

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1) New Competitors (Not only from Malaysia) booming up.
2) ASP dropping
3) panic buy dropping
4) government getting poorer (forcing them closer to collect windfall tax)
5) US keep condemning Malaysia glove makers time to time.
6) more costly to resolve labour wellness issue. (unless they fully reformed into IR 4.0 with minimum labour)

conclusion: not until next massive pandemic in 5 to 10 years to have the same miracle happen again.
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These were irritating white noise in q4/20 and may be still is to 💎 ✋

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These were irritating white noise in q4/20 and may be still is to  💎 ✋
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jul 16 2021, 06:40 PM)
Now back below 4

Till they settle with CBP no way it will go up above 4.50 anytime this year
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4.5 to 5 is possible... never say never... wink.gif

ringgit gg... exports becomes cheap cheap... just need some new "order" good news and syndicates will goreng... and unload to unsuspecting "diamond hands"
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 21 2021, 07:39 PM)
4.5 to 5 is possible... never say never... wink.gif

ringgit gg... exports becomes cheap cheap... just need some new "order" good news and syndicates will goreng... and unload to unsuspecting "diamond hands"
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Agree, especially US and UK see high Covid cases. Seems like another wave coming.
Demand definitely will increase. RM6 is possible
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4.5 to 5 is possible... never say never... wink.gif

ringgit gg... exports becomes cheap cheap... just need some new "order" good news and syndicates will goreng... and unload to unsuspecting "diamond hands"
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With losing CBP and NHS high unlikely unless it giving 90% of its profits through dividends

Better off buying Hartalega with the current increase of production coming soon
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Downtrend continue.

higher rubber glove price probably caused by lockdown in klang.

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Hartalega is currently operating only at 70% of its capacity utilising 60% of its workforce, Kuan said.
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Hartalega sees the average selling price of gloves to normalize by the first quarter of next year after having been on a downtrend since its peak moving into second of the year, Kuan said.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...o-glove-market/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...-hartalega-says

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China Super power is gonna havoc the market....
Good luck our local Glove Producers....

Whenever they comes...
Cost structures, selling pricing & production scale always we lose out ..
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China Super power is gonna havoc the market....
Good luck our local Glove Producers....

Whenever they comes...
Cost structures, selling pricing & production scale always we lose out ..
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Hartalega is currently operating only at 70% of its capacity utilising 60% of its workforce, Kuan said.
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Hartalega sees the average selling price of gloves to normalize by the first quarter of next year after having been on a downtrend since its peak moving into second of the year, Kuan said.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...o-glove-market/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...-hartalega-says
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Covid has not ended, yet their stock price has now dropped to pre-mco level & with much much more extra cash on hand. You don't think it's undervalued?
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Covid has not ended, yet their stock price has now dropped to pre-mco level & with much much more extra cash on hand. You don't think it's undervalued?
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If you buying long term dividends then by all means go ahead

Current level 52 week low next week will be interesting whether retail buying is hunting due to CBP approval back rclxms.gif
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Covid has not ended, yet their stock price has now dropped to pre-mco level & with much much more extra cash on hand. You don't think it's undervalued?
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From china export data; export volume i.e demand is on downtrend, similarly for asp. with many new production lines commissioned in the last one year; moving forward, supply > demand is a matter of by how much and asp will further depressed.

as stock price is forward looking, expected profit and cash on hand is priced in. contemporary history show, high dividend payout may not enough to compensate for drop in stock price. given how tansri used the cash in the last one year, it may not be the best for company interest.

pre-mco and post-mco is different environment, is not the same landscape; and advised not to benchmark.

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If you buying long term dividends then by all means go ahead

Current level 52 week low next week will be interesting whether retail buying is hunting due to CBP approval back  rclxms.gif
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Yea, I think based on chart TG stock price still got room to fall, support at rm2.50 to rm2.80.

But harta to me is already undervalued, I'm slowly collecting at rm6.60. Will buy more if below rm6. Plan to keep for a few years.
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Yea, I think based on chart TG stock price still got room to fall, support at rm2.50 to rm2.80.

But harta to me is already undervalued, I'm slowly collecting at rm6.60. Will buy more if below rm6. Plan to keep for a few years.
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Harta if you can buy below 6 just keep it for 5 years with consistent dividends and solid customer base it is good long term hold rclxms.gif
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It seems at recent "KLBC Dialogue Session with Zafrul on upcoming budget", tansri was a waste of time, unlikely he will be invited again.

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The market saying TG's expansion plan have been KIV recently due to the China competition, anyone can verify the hear say?
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Harta if you can buy below 6 just keep it for 5 years with consistent dividends and solid customer base it is good long term hold  rclxms.gif
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Harta or Topglove?
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The market saying TG's expansion plan have been KIV recently due to the China competition, anyone can verify the hear say?
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Yes coupled with oversupply in the market at the moment

The question is now too much cash on hand either do some buy back at the moment

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Of coz Harta rclxms.gif

TG customer mostly commercial while Harta more defensive with more medical based customers
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china glove export continue on down trend. asp will likely reach or dip below pre-pandemic level before the end of the year.

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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 22 2021, 05:30 PM)
The market saying TG's expansion plan have been KIV recently due to the China competition, anyone can verify the hear say?
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英科医疗(300677)董事长刘方毅; 每年生产大概 800亿只手套,每天将近2亿只。预计2022年第二季度,年化产能将增至1200亿只,约为目前产能的2.3倍

p.s there are a few more with similar expansion plan.

those live in coconut shell, their world is the coconut shell.

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英科医疗(300677)董事长刘方毅; 每年生产大概 800亿只手套,每天将近2亿只。预计2022年第二季度,年化产能将增至1200亿只,约为目前产能的2.3倍

p.s there are a few more with similar expansion plan.

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Why invest in a stock which is most likely to earn less and less money the next few years?
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Why invest in a stock which is most likely to earn less and less money the next few years?
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Make less money in the next few quarters yes, but their stock price has almost came down to pre-covid level. So it has already priced in. They have a lot more free cash flow now, fundamentally it is still very strong compared to other companies in Bursa... at some point, it's going to bounce back up because the stock price can only go so low. So why not?
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Make less money in the next few quarters yes, but their stock price has almost came down to pre-covid level. So it has already priced in. They have a lot more free cash flow now, fundamentally it is still very strong compared to other companies in Bursa... at some point, it's going to bounce back up because the stock price can only go so low. So why not?
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Pre covid price levels. The prices around March last year was 1.60 (adjusted due to the bonus shares last year). And before that it was trading in the 1.10-1.39 range.

Making less money in the next few quarters. For every less money making quarter, how would the market react? Will the market be forgiving or will the market punish it lower every time? So why rush to buy now?

After these make less money quarters, how will TG perform? Will its earnings stabilise or will there be growth? What if it takes a long time to stabilise? For comparison, you could use the previous Sars pandemic as an example. After Sars, the industry was hit with massive over capacity, which drove selling prices lower for many years. So you gotta ask, what if this happens again?


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Pre covid price levels. The prices around March last year was 1.60 (adjusted due to the bonus shares last year). And before that it was trading in the 1.10-1.39 range.

Making less money in the next few quarters. For every less money making quarter, how would the market react? Will the market be forgiving or will the market punish it lower every time? So why rush to buy now?

After these make less money quarters, how will TG perform? Will its earnings stabilise or will there be growth? What if it takes a long time to stabilise? For comparison, you could use the previous Sars pandemic as an example. After Sars, the industry was hit with massive over capacity, which drove selling prices lower for many years. So you gotta ask, what if this happens again?
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Not saying we should jump in and buy now, but I'll monitor and wait for the prices go back to 1.50 levels. I'm optimistic that the earnings will stabilised, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

SARs time was the same it ran up and price dropped 60% for about 2 years only. Then it just kept going up and up.

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Not saying we should jump in and buy now, but I'll monitor and wait for the prices go back to 1.50 levels. I'm optimistic that the earnings will stabilised, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

SARs time was the same it ran up and price dropped 60% for about 2 years only. Then it just kept going up and up.
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why not buy in about 24 months time or after price turned for the better.

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It's been dropping for over a year.. if the price reach my projected DCF model's fair value then I'd start buying, nobody can predict exactly where the bottom is right.

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It's been dropping for over a year.. if the price reach my projected DCF model's fair value then I'd start buying, nobody can predict exactly where the bottom is right.
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Previously, china glove producers were not strong competitors. some china glove producers have invested in upstream (nitrile), will have cheaper raw mat cost than topg.

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Previously, china glove producers were not strong competitors. some china glove producers have invested in upstream (nitrile), will have cheaper raw mat cost than topg.
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Sure give it a discount, otherwise how should we value a company?

What do you think topglove is worth now with all the negative news?
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Sure give it a discount, otherwise how should we value a company?

What do you think topglove is worth now with all the negative news?
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From China export data, asp is likely to drop below pre pandemic level by the end of the year.
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From China export data, asp is likely to drop below pre pandemic level by the end of the year.
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Yes I understand. We could give it a discount.

At the end of the day, the company is still going to be worth something, if want to wait until the revenue goes up only buy sure, go ahead.

I prefer to buy when nobody wants it. Not going to put all my money in for sure. I think at rm1 to 3 range there's already a good margin of safety, compare to buying it at rm6+.
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Yes I understand. We could give it a discount.

At the end of the day, the company is still going to be worth something, if want to wait until the revenue goes up only buy sure, go ahead.

I prefer to buy when nobody wants it. Not going to put all my money in for sure. I think at rm1 to 3 range there's already a good margin of safety, compare to buying it at rm6+.
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Not saying we should jump in and buy now, but I'll monitor and wait for the prices go back to 1.50 levels. I'm optimistic that the earnings will stabilised, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

SARs time was the same it ran up and price dropped 60% for about 2 years only. Then it just kept going up and up.
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Ahh... I see. Cause in your initial post was 'why not'... nvm...

Yes, investments is all about the risks. Which is why I raised those questions. Those are the risks.

SARS.

Firstly, here's a sector report on the glove sector just on Sep 2019... not long b4 Covid.

and here is screenshot...

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Despite the glove sector export recording 12% y-y growth, swelling capacity and intensified competitions caused pressured on the..... ASP.


See? 2019... and the glove sector had the issue of over capacity and pricing wars... since SARS day...

(that was posted on the stock market discussion thread not too long ago)

So, even from SARS, the gloves sector suffered from a long drawn over capacity and price wars. It was known as a sunset industry until Covid 19 hit.

Hence the risk. Over capacity is going to be worst as we are seeing more players now and then China. If you know China products or had dealt with Chinese players b4, you would know that in nature, they are extremely aggressive. Once they are in an industry, they WILL go all out and price wars follows without fail. It's early days now but the lowering prices can be seen already.

So you have supply issue. And then what about demand issue?

Yes, SARs, TG went up a lot...

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but after that .... have a look at this multi year weekly chart (which has been price adjusted for bonus+dividends)


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without another worldwide pandemic, glove stocks could be stuck for a long while....


Profits.... what is the risk? A long drawn profit decline is probably the worst scenario.... every year down about 10% type... cos the investor will never know when the rot will end....
or what if profit stagnates for a long time?

Dividends... yeah... dividends did look sexy but since the dividends is tied to a percentage of the profit, once the profit goes down, the dividends will go down in a hurry too.... as dividend drops, the stock price will follow....

lot's of concerns/risks....

and naturally, the logical question is what if the glove sector becomes back a sunset industry, just like how it was b4 Covid..... so does appeal to you as a good no brainer investment?



price declines... naturally will attract some value hunters... but just remember ... not value plays are safe... some do turn into value trap.


so do think about all these.... dun dive in just cos the stock appears to have fallen a lot.

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Ahh... I see. Cause in your initial post was 'why not'... nvm...

Yes, investments is all about the risks. Which is why I raised those questions. Those are the risks.

SARS.

Firstly, here's a sector report on the glove sector just on Sep 2019... not long b4 Covid.

and here is screenshot...

user posted image

Despite the glove sector export recording 12% y-y growth, swelling capacity and intensified competitions caused pressured on the..... ASP.
See? 2019... and the glove sector had the issue of over capacity and pricing wars... since SARS day...

(that was posted on the stock market discussion thread not too long ago)

So, even from SARS, the gloves sector suffered from a long drawn over capacity and price wars. It was known as a sunset industry until Covid 19 hit.

Hence the risk. Over capacity is going to be worst as we are seeing more players now and then China. If you know China products or had dealt with Chinese players b4, you would know that in nature, they are extremely aggressive. Once they are in an industry, they WILL go all out and price wars follows without fail. It's early days now but the lowering prices can be seen already.

So you have supply issue. And then what about demand issue?

Yes, SARs, TG went up a lot...

user posted image
but after that .... have a look at this multi year weekly chart (which has been price adjusted for bonus+dividends)


user posted image

without another worldwide pandemic, glove stocks could be stuck for a long while....
Profits.... what is the risk? A long drawn profit decline is probably the worst scenario.... every year down about 10% type... cos the investor will never know when the rot will end....
or what if profit stagnates for a long time?

Dividends... yeah... dividends did look sexy but since the dividends is tied to a percentage of the profit, once the profit goes down, the dividends will go down in a hurry too.... as dividend drops, the stock price will follow....

lot's of concerns/risks....

and naturally, the logical question is what if the glove sector becomes back a sunset industry, just like how it was b4 Covid..... so does appeal to you as a good no brainer investment?
price declines... naturally will attract some value hunters... but just remember ... not value plays are safe... some do turn into value trap.
so do think about all these.... dun dive in just cos the stock appears to have fallen a lot.
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Thanks for taking the time to post this. I do appreciate it, all are valid points. I have considered them as well. Investing in glove companies have always been risky, I don't think people should jump into this right now without considering the risk... for me, it's still a good value stock to own as a part of my overall portfolio. Just a small percentage anyway. It's no big deal.

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Any advice to those who bought this share at rm6 or rm7? The only way I can think of is buy low to breakeven? Question is when is the right moment as price is getting lower and lower. It bounced back once a while but dropping again..

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Any advice to those who bought this share at rm6 or rm7? The only way I can think of is buy low to breakeven? Question is when is the right moment as price is getting lower and lower. It bounced back once a while but dropping again..
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TOP GLOVE PRICE is 2.75 right now, or 3x2.75 = RM8.25 pre-covid price (before bonus issue)

you need to consider the few factors:
1. overcapacity of gloves in the market

2. price war among other producers

3. political interference

4. market sentiment

5. company cash reserves to withstand the first 2 above

They have been giving and giving massive and generous dividends and at the same time, their share buy back has causes few hundred million dollars of paper loss

They will come back, but nobody knows when...

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Any advice to those who bought this share at rm6 or rm7? The only way I can think of is buy low to breakeven? Question is when is the right moment as price is getting lower and lower. It bounced back once a while but dropping again..
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It is already in a bear market so there's always risk of it going lower. So what if it doesn't go up ever again, then what?

Nobody knows the future, anything can happen in the market, the only thing you can do now is manage your risk properly.

There are only 3 options :

Hold - If you have holding power and don't care if the price goes up or down.

Sell - If your position size is too big and can't handle the loss + stress. Selling some might be something you want to consider. Preserve your capital so you can live to fight another day. There are other opportunities out there.

Buy - If you're still optimistic about the company, create a strategy to buy/sell. For example, only add if it goes down every 20%. Don't simply average down and don't use all your allocation. Also, sell some when the stock price goes 20% above your average price. So there's no need to time the market if you have a system like this in place. There are stock rebalancing spreadsheets you can find online to manage this. You can Pm me if you want the spreadsheet I'm using.

Hope this helps.

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Any advice to those who bought this share at rm6 or rm7? The only way I can think of is buy low to breakeven? Question is when is the right moment as price is getting lower and lower. It bounced back once a while but dropping again..
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Hold for dividends while putting your money elsewhere to diversify risks

Your mindset now is still thinking of growth when TG is now gonna be long term cyclical dividends
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Does China have so much access to raw rubber like Malaysia? As I know Malaysia has natural rubber resources. That's a advantage for glove industry in Malaysia.
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Does China have so much access to raw rubber like Malaysia? As I know Malaysia has natural rubber resources. That's a advantage for glove industry in Malaysia.
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These days you don’t need so much rubber for gloves as you can see from nitrile gloves doh.gif

Malaysia has the advantage because they have nitrile raw material with petrochemical access while China is still importing it from abroad but the scale of production trumps easily within the next decade


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QUOTE(xander83 @ Sep 27 2021, 01:19 AM)
These days you don’t need so much rubber for gloves as you can see from nitrile gloves  doh.gif

Malaysia has the advantage because they have nitrile raw material with petrochemical access while China is still importing it from abroad but the scale of production trumps easily within the next decade
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Anyway, no one knows the future, it's too early to say anything unless we see it with our own eyes. If in 2019 someone were to say top glove will shoot up to rm23, nobody will believe. No doubt the profit for glove will reduce, but whether China will succeed in glove manufacturing or not, that remains to be seen.

If people are so positive that china will take over Malaysia glove, then isn't it a good time to buy China glove stock now (if there's one)? It will shoot up in the next decade. Should start accumulating now

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Sep 27 2021, 01:12 AM)
Does China have so much access to raw rubber like Malaysia? As I know Malaysia has natural rubber resources. That's a advantage for glove industry in Malaysia.
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Tyre use much more natural rubber than glove and we were top rubber producer sometime ago. Where is malesia tyre manufacturer today?

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Sep 27 2021, 01:19 AM)
These days you don’t need so much rubber for gloves as you can see from nitrile gloves  doh.gif

Malaysia has the advantage because they have nitrile raw material with petrochemical access while China is still importing it from abroad but the scale of production trumps easily within the next decade
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China glove manufacturer has invested upstream in nitriles manufacturing, will have cheaper raw materials cost than topg.

QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Sep 27 2021, 01:25 AM)
Anyway, no one knows the future, it's too early to say anything unless we see it with our own eyes. If in 2019 someone were to say top glove will shoot up to rm23, nobody will believe. No doubt the profit for glove will reduce, but whether China will succeed in glove manufacturing or not, that remains to be seen.
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Glove is a commodity product, china is not new to glove manufacturing, their export data speak for itself.

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Sep 27 2021, 01:25 AM)
Anyway, no one knows the future, it's too early to say anything unless we see it with our own eyes. If in 2019 someone were to say top glove will shoot up to rm23, nobody will believe. No doubt the profit for glove will reduce, but whether China will succeed in glove manufacturing or not, that remains to be seen.

If people are so positive that china will take over Malaysia glove, then isn't it a good time to buy China glove stock now (if there's one)? It will shoot up in the next decade. Should start accumulating now
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Currently at the moment China Glove industry is still in infancy and TG has a plant there albeit small exposure

And there’s isn’t listed company in China yet so you can just wait to accumulate then rclxms.gif

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 27 2021, 01:34 AM)
China glove manufacturer has invested upstream in nitriles manufacturing, will have cheaper raw materials cost than topg.
Glove is a commodity product, china is not new to glove manufacturing, their export data speak for itself.
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Is still infancy but you got to remember it still dependant on commodities that is extracted by other countries

Hence it is just like China steel industry whereby iron ore is being sourced from Australia, Brazil and a few countries and when they start dumping abroad WTO wars will start then

Exporting will be still their main goal with price dumping in mind doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Currently at the moment China Glove industry is still in infancy and TG has a plant there albeit small exposure

And there’s isn’t listed company in China yet so you can just wait to accumulate then  rclxms.gif
Is still infancy but you got to remember it still dependant on commodities that is extracted by other countries

Hence it is just like China steel industry whereby iron ore is being sourced from Australia, Brazil and a few countries and when they start dumping abroad WTO wars will start then

Exporting will be still their main goal with price dumping in mind  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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You have no idea how many gloves China have exported.

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That's a advantage for glove industry in Malaysia.
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A big advantage is also in our ability to innovate like Hartalega. If they were able to disrupt the industry many times in the past, then it is entirely possible for them to continually to do so because it is in their DNA.

People now made it seem like just because China has some advantage during the pandemic, our companies will start failing and lose money from here on.

30 years in the business. Highest quality grade gloves. Good relationships with the clients around the world. Billions of net cash sitting in the war chest. Market consumption still projected to have 10% yearly growth.

Is it really that bad of an investment? If Malaysian glove companies lose market share, then just switch to China companies. But don't forget China also got a lot of issues right now and foreign investors are running away from them.

Maybe, just maybe we should have a little more faith in our capabilities.

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A big advantage is also in our ability to innovate like Hartalega. If they were able to disrupt the industry many times in the past, then it is entirely possible for them to continually to do so because it is in their DNA.

People now made it seem like just because China has some advantage during the pandemic, our companies will start failing and lose money from here on.

30 years in the business. Highest quality grade gloves. Good relationships with the clients around the world. Billions of net cash sitting in the war chest. Market consumption still projected to have 10% yearly growth.

Is it really that bad of an investment? If Malaysian glove companies lose market share, then just switch to China companies. But don't forget China also got a lot of issues right now and foreign investors are running away from them.

Maybe, just maybe we should have a little more faith in our capabilities.
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This shall applies to other gloves company in malaysia but not for topglove, don't forget they have already issued out massive dividend and also the losses due to share buyback

don't only look at the biggest tree in the forest, learn to look at the whole forest too.

during price war, everyone except buyer are casualties. calculate your own risk before going in

p/s: topglove management so-so only, if you are serious into gloves, why not look at better ones sweat.gif



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This shall applies to other gloves company in malaysia but not for topglove, don't forget they have already issued out massive dividend and also the losses due to share buyback

don't only look at the biggest tree in the forest, learn to look at the whole forest too.

during price war, everyone except buyer are casualties. calculate your own risk before going in

p/s: topglove management so-so only, if you are serious into gloves, why not look at better ones sweat.gif
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I'm buying Harta, not TG. Which better ones are you referring to?

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I'm buying Harta, not TG. Which better ones are you referring to?
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was assuming you are referring to Topglove because you posted on Topglove thread
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definitely not toglove

was assuming you are referring to Topglove because you posted on Topglove thread
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A big advantage is also in our ability to innovate like Hartalega. If they were able to disrupt the industry many times in the past, then it is entirely possible for them to continually to do so because it is in their DNA.

People now made it seem like just because China has some advantage during the pandemic, our companies will start failing and lose money from here on.

30 years in the business. Highest quality grade gloves. Good relationships with the clients around the world. Billions of net cash sitting in the war chest. Market consumption still projected to have 10% yearly growth.

Is it really that bad of an investment? If Malaysian glove companies lose market share, then just switch to China companies. But don't forget China also got a lot of issues right now and foreign investors are running away from them.

Maybe, just maybe we should have a little more faith in our capabilities.
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Most if not all china glove manufacturers are locals, have little if any sentiment with fdi.

as long as medical glove is u.s fda, etc certified, most if not all users don't bother where it come from, is a commodity product.

glove demand may growth by 10% p.a but new supply in the next year or so is many times of the growth p.a. oversupply in the next few years is a certainty, is a matter of by how much.

plc cash reserve may mean little to shareholders if not put in good use. so far, topg sbb is a disgrace.

china glove export data and price speak for itself.

those live in coconut shell, their world is the coconut shell.

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QUOTE(cucumber @ Sep 27 2021, 11:14 AM)
A big advantage is also in our ability to innovate like Hartalega. If they were able to disrupt the industry many times in the past, then it is entirely possible for them to continually to do so because it is in their DNA.

People now made it seem like just because China has some advantage during the pandemic, our companies will start failing and lose money from here on.

30 years in the business. Highest quality grade gloves. Good relationships with the clients around the world. Billions of net cash sitting in the war chest. Market consumption still projected to have 10% yearly growth.

Is it really that bad of an investment? If Malaysian glove companies lose market share, then just switch to China companies. But don't forget China also got a lot of issues right now and foreign investors are running away from them.

Maybe, just maybe we should have a little more faith in our capabilities.
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Agreed much better gems around for Glove plays with Harta and other regional gems around rclxms.gif

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 27 2021, 12:54 PM)
Most if not all china glove manufacturers are locals, have little if any sentiment with fdi.

as long as medical glove is u.s fda, etc certified, most if not all users don't bother where it come from, is a commodity product.

glove demand may growth by 10% p.a but new supply in the next year or so is many times of the growth p.a. oversupply in the next few years is a certainty, is a matter of by how much.

plc cash reserve may mean little to shareholders if not put in good use. so far, topg sbb is a disgrace.

china glove export data and price speak for itself.

those live in coconut shell, their world is the coconut shell.
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You haven’t forget that even with FDA approval that CBP can withhold from getting into US as ESG in play on whether where and how it was produced with doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Agreed much better gems around for Glove plays with Harta and other regional gems around  rclxms.gif
You haven’t forget that even with FDA approval that CBP can withhold from getting into US as ESG in play on whether where and how it was produced with  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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malesia glove exporter may have esg issue with u.s cbp but not china.

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malesia glove exporter may have issue with u.s cbp but not china.
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At the moment but who knows in future

Just look at Semiconductors tariff and bans imposed by the US to China

It might happened in the future but who knows bruce.gif
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At the moment but who knows in future

Just look at Semiconductors tariff and bans imposed by the US to China

It might happened in the future but who knows  bruce.gif
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Do you realize even if China biggest glove exporter is banned from the u.s, the market will remain flooded with oversupply.
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Do you realize even if China biggest glove exporter is banned from the u.s, the market will remain flooded with oversupply.
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Not necessary if the cartels of glove companies band up control the supply

Currently those who are on expansions band will be hit terrible and newcomers like Mah Sing will be interestingly too see their next quarter results
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Not necessary if the cartels of glove companies band up control the supply

Currently those who are on expansions band will be hit terrible and newcomers like Mah Sing will be interestingly too see their next quarter results
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I admire your determination and respect your reasoning. However, real life is not as straight forward.

Having seen lwc behaviour in the last 15 months, he is more likely to burn topg cash pile to defend market share and world top producer than working with competitors to reduce supply.

Mah sing glove production is small.

From China export data, asp is likely to drop near or below pre pandemic price by year end.

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I admire your determination and respect your reasoning. However, real life is not as straight forward.

Having seen lwc behaviour in the last 15 months, he is more likely to burn topg cash pile to defend market share and world top producer than working with competitors to reduce supply.

Mah sing glove production is small.

From China export data, asp is likely to drop near or below pre pandemic price by year end.
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Let’s see within the next 7years whether lwc can crack fortune global 500 companies which his strategy as his just slash and burning down his profit

To those who buy into his story do wake up as lalaland is over
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Spglobal analysts upgraded their fair value recently to rm4.50 from rm1.80. Something must have changed.

Technical wise we're already seeing a throw over close to the end of a big descending wedge. With bullish divergence in the weekly macd. Oversold in monthly stochastic. All these are signs of trend reversal.
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I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion here to all the blind bulls for gloves. Tip, don't hold on to a loser. Averaging down, buy the dip etc are just sunk cost fallacy. Just cut loss, why lose more money as gloves drop further.

Everyone so surprised about analysts downgrading to sub RM2, technical 'analysis' constantly predicting a rebound (as good as astrology for me). Every broken support confirm got sifu come in and say more support, buy more.

Just look at precovid quarterly revenue, compare to covid, and then the most recent quarter. Doesn't take a genius with computers to see that the covid spike in sales is most likely gonna be a one-off thing. ASP price data also shows continuous trend towards normality ie precovid. Doing a simple DCF, even being really optimistic on 15% CAGR next 5 years with 0 capex also doesn't yield a price any higher than RM2.20. New players in the glove industry both locally and in China. You really gotta ask yourself, do you think that TG still can grow revenue and maintain margins as before? I personally don't think so, and there are further downside even when at RM2.20

"But what about covid profit? Must be worth something in the share price no? Share price must be higher than pre covid la." Yes, but no. Previous profit already accounted for in the cash balance of the company + any assets the company reinvested. For TG tho, not so much. Remember the special dividend they issued previously? All the buyback done by the company when it was RM6-ish? That's where all your covid profits went to, all the free cash flow being returned to shareholders already.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but if the next few quarters of profit continue to trend back to normality (the scenario that I think is most likely), TG is just gonna slowly trend towards sub RM2 no matter how many squiggly lines you draw on a chart. Even if there are sudden spikes in share price, it's not going to be long term

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Spglobal analysts upgraded their fair value recently to rm4.50 from rm1.80. Something must have changed.

Technical wise we're already seeing a throw over close to the end of a big descending wedge. With bullish divergence in the weekly macd. Oversold in monthly stochastic. All these are signs of trend reversal.
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But ib can change their tp within few days while nothing has changed. Hmm agree with oversold but doesn't mean it won't go lower?
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I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion here to all the blind bulls for gloves. Tip, don't hold on to a loser. Averaging down, buy the dip etc are just sunk cost fallacy. Just cut loss, why lose more money as gloves drop further.

Everyone so surprised about analysts downgrading to sub RM2, technical 'analysis' constantly predicting a rebound (as good as astrology for me). Every broken support confirm got sifu come in and say more support, buy more.

Just look at precovid quarterly revenue, compare to covid, and then the most recent quarter. Doesn't take a genius with computers to see that the covid spike in sales is most likely gonna be a one-off thing. ASP price data also shows continuous trend towards normality ie precovid. Doing a simple DCF, even being really optimistic on 15% CAGR next 5 years with 0 capex also doesn't yield a price any higher than RM2.20. New players in the glove industry both locally and in China. You really gotta ask yourself, do you think that TG still can grow revenue and maintain margins as before? I personally don't think so, and there are further downside even when at RM2.20

"But what about covid profit? Must be worth something in the share price no? Share price must be higher than pre covid la." Yes, but no. Previous profit already accounted for in the cash balance of the company + any assets the company reinvested. For TG tho, not so much. Remember the special dividend they issued previously? All the buyback done by the company when it was RM6-ish? That's where all your covid profits went to, all the free cash flow being returned to shareholders already.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but if the next few quarters of profit continue to trend back to normality (the scenario that I think is most likely), TG is just gonna slowly trend towards sub RM2 no matter how many squiggly lines you draw on a chart. Even if there are sudden spikes in share price, it's not going to be long term
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Your opinion is actually the popular one. Don't worry about it.
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But ib can change their tp within few days while nothing has changed. Hmm agree with oversold but doesn't mean it won't go lower?
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That's true. It can definitely go lower.
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It is a matter of how low and how fast.
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I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion here to all the blind bulls for gloves. Tip, don't hold on to a loser. Averaging down, buy the dip etc are just sunk cost fallacy. Just cut loss, why lose more money as gloves drop further.

Everyone so surprised about analysts downgrading to sub RM2, technical 'analysis' constantly predicting a rebound (as good as astrology for me). Every broken support confirm got sifu come in and say more support, buy more.

Just look at precovid quarterly revenue, compare to covid, and then the most recent quarter. Doesn't take a genius with computers to see that the covid spike in sales is most likely gonna be a one-off thing. ASP price data also shows continuous trend towards normality ie precovid. Doing a simple DCF, even being really optimistic on 15% CAGR next 5 years with 0 capex also doesn't yield a price any higher than RM2.20. New players in the glove industry both locally and in China. You really gotta ask yourself, do you think that TG still can grow revenue and maintain margins as before? I personally don't think so, and there are further downside even when at RM2.20

"But what about covid profit? Must be worth something in the share price no? Share price must be higher than pre covid la." Yes, but no. Previous profit already accounted for in the cash balance of the company + any assets the company reinvested. For TG tho, not so much. Remember the special dividend they issued previously? All the buyback done by the company when it was RM6-ish? That's where all your covid profits went to, all the free cash flow being returned to shareholders already.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but if the next few quarters of profit continue to trend back to normality (the scenario that I think is most likely), TG is just gonna slowly trend towards sub RM2 no matter how many squiggly lines you draw on a chart. Even if there are sudden spikes in share price, it's not going to be long term
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You should take that’s to the Top Glove major shareholder as he will die die says his company is fair value at rm2.30 no matter how rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(HolyAssasin4444 @ Sep 30 2021, 04:11 PM)
I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion here to all the blind bulls for gloves. Tip, don't hold on to a loser. Averaging down, buy the dip etc are just sunk cost fallacy. Just cut loss, why lose more money as gloves drop further.

Everyone so surprised about analysts downgrading to sub RM2, technical 'analysis' constantly predicting a rebound (as good as astrology for me). Every broken support confirm got sifu come in and say more support, buy more.

Just look at precovid quarterly revenue, compare to covid, and then the most recent quarter. Doesn't take a genius with computers to see that the covid spike in sales is most likely gonna be a one-off thing. ASP price data also shows continuous trend towards normality ie precovid. Doing a simple DCF, even being really optimistic on 15% CAGR next 5 years with 0 capex also doesn't yield a price any higher than RM2.20. New players in the glove industry both locally and in China. You really gotta ask yourself, do you think that TG still can grow revenue and maintain margins as before? I personally don't think so, and there are further downside even when at RM2.20

"But what about covid profit? Must be worth something in the share price no? Share price must be higher than pre covid la." Yes, but no. Previous profit already accounted for in the cash balance of the company + any assets the company reinvested. For TG tho, not so much. Remember the special dividend they issued previously? All the buyback done by the company when it was RM6-ish? That's where all your covid profits went to, all the free cash flow being returned to shareholders already.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but if the next few quarters of profit continue to trend back to normality (the scenario that I think is most likely), TG is just gonna slowly trend towards sub RM2 no matter how many squiggly lines you draw on a chart. Even if there are sudden spikes in share price, it's not going to be long term
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If Thats the case, Small and newcomers will crash soon as ASP back to precovid. Margin unsustainable. Lol
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QUOTE(HolyAssasin4444 @ Sep 30 2021, 04:11 PM)
I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion here to all the blind bulls for gloves. Tip, don't hold on to a loser. Averaging down, buy the dip etc are just sunk cost fallacy. Just cut loss, why lose more money as gloves drop further.

Everyone so surprised about analysts downgrading to sub RM2, technical 'analysis' constantly predicting a rebound (as good as astrology for me). Every broken support confirm got sifu come in and say more support, buy more.

Just look at precovid quarterly revenue, compare to covid, and then the most recent quarter. Doesn't take a genius with computers to see that the covid spike in sales is most likely gonna be a one-off thing. ASP price data also shows continuous trend towards normality ie precovid. Doing a simple DCF, even being really optimistic on 15% CAGR next 5 years with 0 capex also doesn't yield a price any higher than RM2.20. New players in the glove industry both locally and in China. You really gotta ask yourself, do you think that TG still can grow revenue and maintain margins as before? I personally don't think so, and there are further downside even when at RM2.20

"But what about covid profit? Must be worth something in the share price no? Share price must be higher than pre covid la." Yes, but no. Previous profit already accounted for in the cash balance of the company + any assets the company reinvested. For TG tho, not so much. Remember the special dividend they issued previously? All the buyback done by the company when it was RM6-ish? That's where all your covid profits went to, all the free cash flow being returned to shareholders already.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but if the next few quarters of profit continue to trend back to normality (the scenario that I think is most likely), TG is just gonna slowly trend towards sub RM2 no matter how many squiggly lines you draw on a chart. Even if there are sudden spikes in share price, it's not going to be long term
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People will tend to read what they want to read, see what they want to see. This is normal.

It's always about the ASP. Without the insane increase in the selling price (and panic stocking of gloves), glove makers would not have enjoyed their once in a lifetime billion dollar profits.

Pre-Covid, ASP were below USD19.00. (this fact is searchable via the net)

At the height, I believe TG asp hit around USD120.00. (pls feel free to reconfirm)...

Recently.... from TopGlove...

https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2021/0...ptember/2006341

Quote: As for the average selling prices (ASPs) for the US market, the group is looking at the US$40-level, said Lee. “With the current ASPs, they are still higher than the pre-Covid-19 level. We do foresee the price adjustments will be there possibly by 8.0 per cent to 10 per cent monthly. But in our case here with our sales back to the US, that can help to mitigate in terms of price adjustments,” he said.

In short: selling prices are falling fast. This is coming from TG itself and not some analysts.

from Hartalega..

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/glov...evels-%E2%80%94

Quote: Hartalega chief executive officer (CEO) Kuan Mun Leong noted that the ASP started to ease in the April to June quarter and is expected to decline by 30% every quarter going forward until 1Q22.

Quote: We are experiencing additional costs from social compliance and also the material cost seen today is actually higher.

The second statement.... higher cost of sales..... sweat.gif


These are the statements from the glove makers itself....

and when you have the ASP going from USD19 to USD120 and now crashing back down just as quickly as it rose.... we will get the boom and bust cycle.... these are the typical boom/bust charts and normally when it bust... it can go really low....

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Moving forward...


Will we see increased demand of the glove? I shall leave that as ___________________

But on the supply side...

we know all about the countless new players jumping into the glove bandwagon.....

and then we have the aggressive Chinese glove makers and their aggressiveness in pricing

( see report on UG Healthcare and the point made on the Chinese glove makers https://research.sginvestors.io/2021/05/ug-...2021-05-14.html .... this statement:

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the capex issue from our main glove makers... I copy and paste what I posted in May 2021..)

Accordingly, Top Glove expansion is even greater...

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With the RM7.7 billion raised, Top Glove intends to spend RM4.61 billion for expansion of production capacity and developing a data-driven manufacturing system, including adding 333 double former production lines to boost its annual production capacity to 193 billion pieces of gloves by the end of 2025.


https://www.msn.com/en-my/money/topstories/...ile/ar-BB1e87Dp

Harta capex is ...

https://www.msn.com/en-my/money/topstories/...87m/ar-BB1eqF81

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As it currently stands, Hartalega produces 43 billion pieces of gloves per year. Its expansion plans include the NGC 1.5 in Sepang, which will boost its capacity to 63 billion pieces per year once it is completed.

With this longer-term expansion in Kedah, Hartalega will add another 80 billion pieces per year, resulting in its total capacity rising to 143 billion pieces per annum once fully completed.
Yeah, Supermax is 48b... https://www.thesundaily.my/business/superma...3-sen-FM7824340

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“We are seeing a full-quarter contribution in the quarter ending March and going forward. We are building five glove manufacturing plants concurrently and scheduled for completion progressively between now and next year. The new plants will add 22.25 billion new capacity bringing the group’s total capacity to 48.42 billion gloves by the end of 2022. The group will invest a total capital expenditure of RM1.39 billion for the new plants,“ the glove maker said in a statement.
And then you have our Thai friend, Sri Triang.

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Under its investment plan, the latex and nitrile examination and industrial gloves maker aims to reach an annual production capacity of 50 billion pieces by 2022, and 80 billion pieces by 2024.


Source: https://www.rubbernews.com/expansion/sri-tr...acity-expansion


Yeah... the capex issue is real .... every major player has huge mega expansion plans.... so one just gotta ask... with everyone expanding/new players/china x factor .... surely there is a huge possibility that this will lead to a long drawn out price war.... which most likely pushes the glove industry back to nothing but a sunset industry <-- this is the biggest risk concern one has to address!!!


*** yes, Top Glove said in its latest QR that it is scaling down a little bit of its expansion...

*** and yea... TG boss bought shares of TG again. This is after many months of absence... which was a positive 'sentiment' factor..... However.... given his terrible result of buying shares (TG share buybacks/his own buybacks/Tropicana investment of TG shares all which are losing millions and millions and millions of ringgit.... how safe is it to buy TG share just cause TG boss bought some recently?



These are the as it is concerns....... so really... one has to ask themselves... it glove stocks a good bet now? yup, is this the best available bet in the market now?

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People will tend to read what they want to read, see what they want to see. This is normal.

It's always about the ASP. Without the insane increase in the selling price (and panic stocking of gloves), glove makers would not have enjoyed their once in a lifetime billion dollar profits.

Pre-Covid, ASP were below USD19.00. (this fact is searchable via the net)

At the height, I believe TG asp hit around USD120.00. (pls feel free to reconfirm)...

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yes, everyone is pumping in tons of capex for expansion on top of the entry of many new players

I am thinking like does the market has this much of demand to stomach the supply actually?

lets say pre-covid demand is with a base of 100, post-covid, stablized with demand like wat? 120?

now the post-covid supply is definitely more than 120 already, means their capacity utilization will be low + depressed low asp

or I am seeing this wrongly?
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QUOTE(premier239 @ Oct 1 2021, 12:38 PM)
yes, everyone is pumping in tons of capex for expansion on top of the entry of many new players

I am thinking like does the market has this much of demand to stomach the supply actually?

lets say pre-covid demand is with a base of 100, post-covid, stablized with demand like wat? 120?

now the post-covid supply is definitely more than 120 already, means their capacity utilization will be low + depressed low asp

or I am seeing this wrongly?
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Post pandemic demand for glove will be higher than pre pandemic level but supply is far exceeded demand. If history is to be repeated, asp will likely lower than pre pandemic level.

Given many glove producers are cash rich, they could afford and likely to sell at loss to retain market share.

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QUOTE(premier239 @ Oct 1 2021, 12:38 PM)
yes, everyone is pumping in tons of capex for expansion on top of the entry of many new players

I am thinking like does the market has this much of demand to stomach the supply actually?

lets say pre-covid demand is with a base of 100, post-covid, stablized with demand like wat? 120?

now the post-covid supply is definitely more than 120 already, means their capacity utilization will be low + depressed low asp

or I am seeing this wrongly?
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I think that's a fair assessment.

The one thing, highlighted in the UG Healthcare report was the stocking issue. When covid was hitting hard March 2020, many customers ordered excessively for sticking. Now during a time when supply is easily available and prices lowering, glove customers are not gonna order excessively for stocking purposes. They are gonna be more stingy with their purchases too.

Another point, was the customer/supplier relationship strained last year due to the excessively and constant price increases. Would the customers be looking for alternative supplier?

Glove was deemed a sunset industry as recently as 2019... would we see a repeat soon?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 3 2021, 11:56 AM)
I think that's a fair assessment.

The one thing, highlighted in the UG Healthcare report was the stocking issue. When covid was hitting hard March 2020, many customers ordered excessively for sticking. Now during a time when supply is easily available and prices lowering, glove customers are not gonna order excessively for stocking purposes. They are gonna be more stingy with their purchases too.

Another point, was the customer/supplier relationship strained last year due to the excessively and constant price increases. Would the customers be looking for alternative supplier?

Glove was deemed a sunset industry as recently as 2019... would we see a repeat soon?
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Knowing typical attitude, local glove producers are lossing market share to China. Some local glove producers may need to sell at break even or marginal loss to retain market share.
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Seems like 2.66 was a good buy.
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QUOTE(Omni-Man @ Oct 8 2021, 02:27 PM)
Seems like 2.66 was a good buy.
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Any price is a good buy if could sold for profit.

Everyone knows mother is a female but many still got trapped at high floor.

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Any price is a good buy if could sold for profit.

Everyone knows mother is a female but many still got trapped at high floor.
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In 2019 the top exporters of Rubber were Thailand ($4.24B), Indonesia ($3.85B), Vietnam ($1.08B), Cote d'Ivoire ($1.08B), and Malaysia ($1.05B).

https://oec.world/en/profile/hs92/rubber

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Supermax Corp Bhd is the latest Malaysian company to have its products barred from entering the United States over allegations of forced labour.

The US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) today issued a withhold release order (WRO) against Supermax and its subsidiaries – Maxter Glove Manufacturing Sdn Bhd, Maxwell Glove Manufacturing Bhd and Supermax Glove Manufacturing Sdn Bhd.

https://www.thevibes.com/articles/business/...d-labour-claims

until foreign labour policy is changed, more similar cases will happen.

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Supermax Corp Bhd is the latest Malaysian company to have its products barred from entering the United States over allegations of forced labour.

The US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) today issued a withhold release order (WRO) against Supermax and its subsidiaries – Maxter Glove Manufacturing Sdn Bhd, Maxwell Glove Manufacturing Bhd and Supermax Glove Manufacturing Sdn Bhd.

https://www.thevibes.com/articles/business/...d-labour-claims

until foreign labour policy is changed, more similar cases will happen.
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Supermax holder must be pain today 😓
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Supermax holder must be pain today 😓
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hkl from 12... should be immune ald ah... hahaha... one more ringgit to go

topglove making bear flag... soon to follow...
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Nitrile glove price in september 2021 is cheaper than april 2020. increased in volume could mean gained market share from other countries.

For u.s market, nitrile glove took 15 months from april 2020 price to reach peak price and 3 months to drop below april 2020 price. oops! broken clock strike again.

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RM 2 soon...
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RM 2 soon...
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Top Glove sits on RM860 mil paper loss on massive share buyback

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...e-share-buyback

It is a matter of time, topg need to realize this loss in p&l.

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Top Glove sits on RM860 mil paper loss on massive share buyback

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...e-share-buyback

It is a matter of time, topg need to realize this loss in p&l.
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Meant LWC foresee it's coming & 1 step ahead?
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Meant LWC foresee it's coming & 1 step ahead?
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CEO himself started buying his own stock at 2.6
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 05:54 PM)
he may already know even before announcement  biggrin.gif

CEO himself started buying his own stock at 2.6
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/lim-...-dips-below-rm3
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Considered old news ya since that was Sep article.

He's not a good indicator as his own purchases of Top Glove shares is sitting on paper losses of close to 150 million.

Ya. That bad.


And he's another perfect example on why one should think twice about following a ceo own share purchases. Many a times, these ceo thinks they are smarter than the market... sadly many times they also lose big time.


And in regards to share buybacks.. I am not an accountant but I dont recall any company ever marking their share buybacks to market prices. Hence, they cannot claim such losses. ( pls feel free to correct me on this point)

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And ya...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...pairment-needed
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Meant LWC foresee it's coming & 1 step ahead?
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So you do not think that the boss should be held responsible for the reckless share buybacks last year?


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 06:41 PM)
Considered old news ya since that was Sep article.

He's not a good indicator as his own purchases of Top Glove shares is sitting on paper losses of close to 150 million.

Ya. That bad.
And he's another perfect example on why one should think twice about following a ceo own share purchases. Many a times, these ceo thinks they are smarter than the market... sadly many times they also lose big time.
And in regards to share buybacks.. I am not an accountant but I dont recall any company ever marking their share buybacks to market prices. Hence, they cannot claim such losses. ( pls feel free to correct me on this point)
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you have a trader's mindset. But remember, the CEO of his own company is not a trader  smile.gif
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Did you follow how he bought back his shares? I did. The shares buyback was insane. Then, he used Tropicana to purchase his shares. Only then he used his own money. At current price, all these shares have lost more than one billion already.

Yes, I am a trader. Do not judge the messenger but the content of the message itself, ya.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 07:37 PM)
Did you follow how he bought back his shares? I did. The shares buyback was insane. Then, he used Tropicana to purchase his shares. Only then he used his own money. At current price, all these shares have lost more than one billion already.

Yes, I am a trader. Do not judge the messenger but the content of the message itself, ya.
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the problem is when the messenger injects his own viewpoint into the message, he becomes a biased messenger smile.gif
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the problem is when the messenger injects his own viewpoint into the message, he becomes a biased messenger  smile.gif
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Haha.. of course. You have your point.

So have you followed how the company bought back its shares last year?

This would be a relevant issue right?

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you have a trader's mindset. But remember, the CEO of his own company is not a trader  smile.gif
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Btw... is it not possible to have a CEO to indulge on the stock market excessively?


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Haha.. of course. You have your point.

So have you followed how the company bought back its shares last year?

This would be a relevant issue right?
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from the article that you shared, the company said that it is not a paper loss, so would it be an issue? hmm.gif
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Btw... is it not possible to have a CEO to indulge on the stock market excessively?
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a CEO "indulge in stock market" vs a CEO buying his own company shares are two very different things. The motivations are very different.

for the record, all the big 4 glove companies have made stock buybacks, just to varying degrees smile.gif
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from the article that you shared, the company said that it is not a paper loss, so would it be an issue?  hmm.gif
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Well, you be the judge based on the following facts yourself.

The company has splashed out 1.412 billion on share buybacks. Average price of those buybacks is 7.13.

The shares closed the other day at 2.49.

Which means those share buybacks is now worth only 492.843 million. These share buybacks is now worth 919.6 million less....

So how would you define this 919.6 million? Gone? Evaporated? Lost?

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 07:58 PM)
a CEO "indulge in stock market" vs a CEO buying his own company shares are two very different things. The motivations are very different.

for the record, all the big 4 glove companies have made stock buybacks, just to varying degrees  smile.gif
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Let me paste some of my comments from last year.... you be the judge...


11 Sep.. this day was way too drastic!!

The trading detail of Top Glove on that day..
Open price 6.45
high 8.03
Close 7.76
That was a great day for Top Glove shares.
On that day, Top Glove bought back 13,420,000 shares valued at 99.972 million.
Price range of the buyback = 6.2 to 8.00

Source: https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3087742

ohmy.gif shakehead.gif

Is there a reason why Top Glove share buyback to be so aggressive that the price bought back ranged from 6.20 to 8.00?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:07 PM)
Well, you be the judge based on the following facts yourself.

The company has splashed out 1.412 billion on share buybacks. Average price of those buybacks is 7.13.

The shares closed the other day at 2.49.

Which means those share buybacks is now worth only 492.843 million. These share buybacks is now worth 919.6 million less....

So how would you define this 919.6 million? Gone? Evaporated? Lost?
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this is just my speculation, but the stock buybacks have nothing to do with good financials, rather it is a political compromise.

Remember the time when EPF needed to raise alot of funds to implement the i-sinar ilestari etc programmes. The stock buybacks coincides with EPF heavily disposing those shares

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/7...ntinues-selling

that's why i have said that the motivations from the company standpoint and the trader standpoint is very different. But as a value investor, you need to look closely at the fundamentals in the long term, and not the short term political maneuvering. So the question is, is RM2.49 reflective of topglove's fundamentals? biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:15 PM)
this is just my speculation, but the stock buybacks have nothing to do with good financials, rather it is a political compromise.

Remember the time when EPF needed to raise alot of funds to implement the i-sinar ilestari etc programmes. The stock buybacks coincides with EPF heavily disposing those shares

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/7...ntinues-selling

that's why i have said that the motivations from the company standpoint and the trader standpoint is very different. But as a value investor, you need to look closely at the fundamentals in the long term, and not the short term political maneuvering. So the question is, is RM2.49 reflective of topglove's fundamentals?  biggrin.gif
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How would you describe the buyback on Sep 11th?
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How would you describe the buyback on Sep 11th?
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it's all political  smile.gif
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LOL!!

Okay... here's another one...

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That's the actual trading data for Top Glove on 26th Nov.

The share price had already rose significantly that day, yes?

But Top Glove splashed out 9.978 million on buyback that day.
Min price was 6.90.
Max price was 6.92.
Source: https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3108687


This plus what happened on 11th Sep... how would describe such buybacks? Would it be wrong to say that the buybacks were aggressive? Or is it political again?


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Tropicana purchase of Top Glove shares...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/trop...op-glove-shares

Here's a record of Tropicana's 'investment' of TopGlove

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At 2.49, thanks to TG boss, Tropicana would had been sitting on 62 million of losses....

But luckily, Tropicana on 16th April decided to cut loss and sold some 1,895,000 shares at average price pf 5.27.


now how would you describe this?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:27 PM)
LOL!!

Okay... here's another one...

user posted image

That's the actual trading data for Top Glove on 26th Nov.

The share price had already rose significantly that day, yes?

But Top Glove splashed out 9.978 million on buyback that day.
Min price was 6.90.
Max price was 6.92.
Source: https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3108687
This plus what happened on 11th Sep... how would describe such buybacks? Would it be wrong to say that the buybacks were aggressive? Or is it political again?
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erm, even a layman will know that in order to profit, you buy low and sell high. If you do it the other way round, either you are retarded, or you have some other motives.

So do you think the management of top glove is worse than a 10 yo child, or do you think something forced their hand? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:34 PM)
erm, even a layman will know that in order to profit, you buy low and sell high. If you do it the other way round, either you are retarded, or you have some other motives.

So do you think the management of top glove is worse than a 10 yo child, or do you think something forced their hand? rolleyes.gif
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Well, that's the issue isn't it?
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Well, that's the issue isn't it?
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if you think that's an issue, then just don't buy the stock, simple as that. I thought you were just a messenger, but now you seem to want to become an influencer instead biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 06:41 PM)
Considered old news ya since that was Sep article.

He's not a good indicator as his own purchases of Top Glove shares is sitting on paper losses of close to 150 million.

Ya. That bad.
And he's another perfect example on why one should think twice about following a ceo own share purchases. Many a times, these ceo thinks they are smarter than the market... sadly many times they also lose big time.
And in regards to share buybacks.. I am not an accountant but I dont recall any company ever marking their share buybacks to market prices. Hence, they cannot claim such losses. ( pls feel free to correct me on this point)
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Don’t forget the taxes write off which is the key doh.gif

QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:15 PM)
this is just my speculation, but the stock buybacks have nothing to do with good financials, rather it is a political compromise.

Remember the time when EPF needed to raise alot of funds to implement the i-sinar ilestari etc programmes. The stock buybacks coincides with EPF heavily disposing those shares

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/7...ntinues-selling

that's why i have said that the motivations from the company standpoint and the trader standpoint is very different. But as a value investor, you need to look closely at the fundamentals in the long term, and not the short term political maneuvering. So the question is, is RM2.49 reflective of topglove's fundamentals?  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:20 PM)
How would you describe the buyback on Sep 11th?
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:21 PM)
it's all political  smile.gif
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Most of the buybacks are political play when EPF will lend their shares to IB to short hence TG got trapped into buy back which LWC is silly instead

The only way is to consolidate the shares instead of buy back which makes it worse because most have already disposed big time while retail got trapped big time doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:43 PM)
Don’t forget the taxes write off which is the key  doh.gif
Most of the buybacks are political play when EPF will lend their shares to IB to short hence TG got trapped into buy back which LWC is silly instead

The only way is to consolidate the shares instead of buy back which makes it worse because most have already disposed big time while retail got trapped big time  doh.gif
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yes i agree that retail investor got the short end of the stick, but that's just life biggrin.gif

but to discount the value of the company just because of the "losses" made from stock buybacks is to me, quite frankly, silly. Of course, I'm giving my opinion from a value investing point of view.
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:38 PM)
if you think that's an issue, then just don't buy the stock, simple as that. I thought you were just a messenger, but now you seem to want to become an influencer instead  biggrin.gif
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So now I am PROMOTED to be an influencer because I am showing you the data. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Okay... here now is the boss own purchases of TG shares...

own self buy own self company hor.... could someone force his hand?????

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total shares purchased during this period.... 52,306,800.
cost of investment = 271.111 million.

current price = 2.49.

which means his sendiri purchase of TG shares is now sitting on paper losses worth 140 million.

This part ... aha... the dividends issue.... yup Top Glove pay good dividends mah...

now the boss would have entitled to the dividends as follows.....

user posted image

which means total dividends received is 21.193 million.

Paper losses 140 million. Dividends received 21.1 million.


how?



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yes i agree that retail investor got the short end of the stick, but that's just life biggrin.gif

but to discount the value of the company just because of the "losses" made from stock buybacks is to me, quite frankly, silly. Of course, I'm giving my opinion from a value investing point of view.
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Wait a minute.... did I discount the value of the company?

Did I? blush.gif






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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:52 PM)
So now I am PROMOTED to be an influencer because I am showing you the data.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
Okay... here now is the boss own purchases of TG shares...

own self buy own self company hor....  could someone force his hand?????

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total shares purchased during this period.... 52,306,800.
cost of investment = 271.111 million.

current price = 2.49.

which means his sendiri purchase of TG shares is now sitting on paper losses worth 140 million.

This part ... aha... the dividends issue.... yup Top Glove pay good dividends mah...

now the boss would have entitled to the dividends as follows.....

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which means total dividends received is 21.193 million.

Paper losses 140 million. Dividends received 21.1 million.
how?
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Don’t bother too much as LWC made a big mistake by splitting his share hence he is in control of the company direction

The only person could force his hand is EPF and the market makers and lenders he is indebtedness to doh.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:54 PM)
Wait a minute.... did I discount the value of the company?

Did I?  blush.gif
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Whenever you talking paper loss it means disvounting the valuation of the company’s wipe out doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:55 PM)
Don’t bother too much as LWC made a big mistake by splitting his share hence he is in control of the company direction

The only person could force his hand is EPF and the market makers and lenders he is indebtedness to  doh.gif
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So there is zero possibility that perhaps the boss could be wrong?

Did you hear about the day, he openly declared he wanted to be no.1... to be bigger than Maybank?

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/fran...ual-declaration

In an exclusive interview with 8TV’s Money Matters on Sept 11, Top Glove Corp Bhd major shareholder and executive chairman Tan Sri Dr Lim Wee Chai indicated that the group would be reporting “pretty strong” financial results for its financial year ended Aug 31, 2020 (FY2020), on Sept 17.

When asked if Top Glove could become the largest listed company on Bursa Malaysia in terms of market capitalisation, Lim replied, “Of course, we will have a chance … there is a high possibility.

“Following the announcement of our financial results on Sept 17, we believe our market cap could overtake Malayan Banking Bhd (Maybank) and Public Bank Bhd by end-September or early October.”



Yes... there's nothing wrong to be ambitious but when one adds in the share buybacks, he using Tropicana to purchase TG shares, he using his own money... don't you think that in the height of it all, when TG was making all that billions, perhaps he lost focus?

This is the actual dates of the share buybacks...

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Total shares buybacks from 9th Sep to 22 Feb 21 = 200,157,700
Sum paid for these shares = RM1,412,588,732.98



Look at the date of those transactions... look at the date of Tropicana's purchases... his own purchases.... wasn't he way too active in the stock market? So is it wrong to say he lost focus?
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:57 PM)
Whenever you talking paper loss it means disvounting the valuation of the company’s wipe out  doh.gif
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Firstly, whose paper loss? TG share buybacks? The boss own paper loss? Or Tropicana paper loss?

Now TG is worth only 2.49. That's the current market price. It is what it is worth now. So how else would you address it? rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:08 PM)
Firstly, whose paper loss? TG share buybacks? The boss own paper loss? Or Tropicana paper loss?

Now TG is worth only 2.49. That's the current market price. It is what it is worth now. So how else would you address it?  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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TG is currently priced at 2.49. Whether it is worth 2.49 is just your own opinion smile.gif
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:10 PM)
TG is currently priced at 2.49. Whether it is worth 2.49 is just your own opinion  smile.gif
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Okay... teach me la...
TG last traded price is 2.49 mah.... how else should I describe it? smile.gif


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:13 PM)
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Okay... teach me la...
TG last traded price is 2.49 mah.... how else should I describe it?  smile.gif
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that's why, you are a trader and thus you use trader's language to describe things. I'm just a long term investor who looks at the value.

and this is also why you don't try to go into the mind of LWC, because you're not him, and LWC is not a trader either. Whatever actions he took that doesn't make sense to you, is very different to those in the position of the CEO smile.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:05 PM)
So there is zero possibility that perhaps the boss could be wrong?

Did you hear about the day, he openly declared he wanted to be no.1... to be bigger than Maybank?

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/fran...ual-declaration

In an exclusive interview with 8TV’s Money Matters on Sept 11, Top Glove Corp Bhd major shareholder and executive chairman Tan Sri Dr Lim Wee Chai indicated that the group would be reporting “pretty strong” financial results for its financial year ended Aug 31, 2020 (FY2020), on Sept 17.

When asked if Top Glove could become the largest listed company on Bursa Malaysia in terms of market capitalisation, Lim replied, “Of course, we will have a chance … there is a high possibility.

“Following the announcement of our financial results on Sept 17, we believe our market cap could overtake Malayan Banking Bhd (Maybank) and Public Bank Bhd by end-September or early October.”

Yes... there's nothing wrong to be ambitious but when one adds in the share buybacks, he using Tropicana to purchase TG shares, he using his own money... don't you think that in the height of it all, when TG was making all that billions, perhaps he lost focus?

This is the actual dates of the share buybacks...

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Total shares buybacks from 9th Sep to 22 Feb 21 = 200,157,700
Sum paid for these shares = RM1,412,588,732.98
Look at the date of those transactions... look at the date of Tropicana's purchases... his own purchases....  wasn't he way too active in the stock market? So is it wrong to say he lost focus?
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Don’t bother so much unless you are bitter got trapped by LWC doh.gif

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:08 PM)
Firstly, whose paper loss? TG share buybacks? The boss own paper loss? Or Tropicana paper loss?

Now TG is worth only 2.49. That's the current market price. It is what it is worth now. So how else would you address it?  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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Paper loss will only happened when you realised the selling doh.gif so why bother so much when they are hodling doh.gif

QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:16 PM)
that's why, you are a trader and thus you use trader's language to describe things. I'm just a long term investor who looks at the value.

and this is also why you don't try to go into the mind of LWC, because you're not him, and LWC is not a trader either. Whatever actions he took that doesn't make sense to you, is very different to those in the position of the CEO  smile.gif
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I don’t think he understand trading and value investing doh.gif

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:16 PM)
that's why, you are a trader and thus you use trader's language to describe things. I'm just a long term investor who looks at the value.

and this is also why you don't try to go into the mind of LWC, because you're not him, and LWC is not a trader either. Whatever actions he took that doesn't make sense to you, is very different to those in the position of the CEO  smile.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif

Okay. So it's all the fault of trader mindset. Nothing is wrong.

Okay. Cheers to that.

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:20 PM)
LWC can talk all he wants but the proof is in the market  doh.gif

Don’t bother so much unless you are bitter got trapped by LWC  doh.gif
Paper loss will only happened when you realised the selling  doh.gif so why bother so much when they are hodling  doh.gif
I don’t think he understand trading and value investing  doh.gif
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LOL. So this now becomes a trader vs value investing here?

Good one.

Way to deflect the actual issue. laugh.gif
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LOL. So this now becomes a trader vs value investing here?

Good one.

Way to deflect the actual issue. laugh.gif
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The simple answer is LWC valued his company way way way more than the actual reality of the market valuations doh.gif
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The simple answer is LWC valued his company way way way more than the actual reality of the market valuations  doh.gif
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I hear you... I feel you too... the market is so wrong.
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This is the data from Morningstar, you can see for yourself. From 2013 - 2020 their PE and PB ratio all point towards an overvaluation of the stock. If you ask me to buy topglove when it is priced at 6,7,8,9 etc i will not touch it with a 10-foot pole.

But in 2021, after the crash, the PE is not 2.6 and PB is 2.78. Is it a good value? I'm not sure. But if the numbers continue to drop then maybe it can be a consideration smile.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:30 PM)
I hear you... I feel you too... the market is so wrong.
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Markets are right this time because it is showing TG supply and demand are falling hence the fundamentals at play which gives it is the right price now

If you think are wrong you can take out a billion RM and start buying the company instead doh.gif

It is another MeMe stock from TG while other players have better fundamentals and valuations all this while doh.gif
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:32 PM)
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This is the data from Morningstar, you can see for yourself. From 2013 - 2020 their PE and PB ratio all point towards an overvaluation of the stock. If you ask me to buy topglove when it is priced at 6,7,8,9 etc i will not touch it with a 10-foot pole.

But in 2021, after the crash, the PE is not 2.6 and PB is 2.78. Is it a good value? I'm not sure. But if the numbers continue to drop then maybe it can be a consideration  smile.gif
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Quoting current PE for a downtrend earning could be blindsided.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 09:05 PM)
So there is zero possibility that perhaps the boss could be wrong?

Did you hear about the day, he openly declared he wanted to be no.1... to be bigger than Maybank?

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/fran...ual-declaration

In an exclusive interview with 8TV’s Money Matters on Sept 11, Top Glove Corp Bhd major shareholder and executive chairman Tan Sri Dr Lim Wee Chai indicated that the group would be reporting “pretty strong” financial results for its financial year ended Aug 31, 2020 (FY2020), on Sept 17.

When asked if Top Glove could become the largest listed company on Bursa Malaysia in terms of market capitalisation, Lim replied, “Of course, we will have a chance … there is a high possibility.

“Following the announcement of our financial results on Sept 17, we believe our market cap could overtake Malayan Banking Bhd (Maybank) and Public Bank Bhd by end-September or early October.”

Yes... there's nothing wrong to be ambitious but when one adds in the share buybacks, he using Tropicana to purchase TG shares, he using his own money... don't you think that in the height of it all, when TG was making all that billions, perhaps he lost focus?

This is the actual dates of the share buybacks...

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Total shares buybacks from 9th Sep to 22 Feb 21 = 200,157,700
Sum paid for these shares = RM1,412,588,732.98
Look at the date of those transactions... look at the date of Tropicana's purchases... his own purchases....  wasn't he way too active in the stock market? So is it wrong to say he lost focus?
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and TopGlove is seeking approval to renew its share buybacks!!!

icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

Good idea... let's give the boss more chance to do more buybacks!
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 12 2021, 09:37 AM)
and TopGlove is seeking approval to renew its share buybacks!!!

icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

Good idea... let's give the boss more chance to do more buybacks!
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More like need to spend to burn more cash before getting taxed doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 12 2021, 03:10 PM)
More like need to spend to burn more cash before getting taxed  doh.gif
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'Burning cash before getting taxed?' rolleyes.gif

What are you saying again?


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 12 2021, 03:32 PM)
'Burning cash before getting taxed?'  rolleyes.gif

What are you saying again?
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Burning cash by devalue stock price which is going downhill and written off as expenses to get tax less as loss of expense doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 12 2021, 05:45 PM)
Burning cash by devalue stock price which is going downhill and written off as expenses to get tax less as loss of expense  doh.gif
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Okay...that was pointless to even ask.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 12 2021, 06:10 PM)
doh.gif

Okay...that was pointless to even ask.
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You can go ahead and burn your money by joining LWC doh.gif

Wait till it hits below 2 easily doh.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 12 2021, 09:37 AM)
and TopGlove is seeking approval to renew its share buybacks!!!

icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

Good idea... let's give the boss more chance to do more buybacks!
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May be some major shareholders intended to sell substantial sum and tansri doesn't want these selling to cause price to drop.

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KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 17): JP Morgan which has been bearish on the glove sector since last year, has once again slashed its target price (TP) for Top Glove Corp Bhd to RM1.50 — a 67.33% discount from its current price of RM2.51 — while maintaining an “underweight” rating.

In a note, JP Morgan said the market is underestimating the potential impact of the bottoming gloves average selling price (ASP) and the shift in pricing power back to the buyers.

The note also covered Hartalega Holdings Bhd and Kossan Rubber Industries Bhd. JP Morgan gave an “underweight” rating and a fair value of RM4.00 to Hartalega, 36.25% lower than its current price of RM5.45 while Kossan’s rating was “neutral” and its fair value is pegged at RM2.00, down 3.5% from its current price of RM2.07.

JP Morgan analysts Jeffrey Ng and Sean Teo said the operating margin per unit (OPM) from the latest results briefings from the Malaysian glove makers might fall below pre-Covid-19 levels despite earlier estimates forecasting a better-than-pre-Covid-19 OPM.

“The industry is still finding [its] bottom. Note that glove ASP has dropped from US$115 in Feb-21 to today’s US$28-$30. It is now clear that glove ASP has reverted to a cost-plus basis. Channel checks indicate that current OPM is already nearing pre-Covid-19 margins. But the main question is will margins compress below pre-Covid-19 levels due to intensified competition from China? The risks are tilted toward the downside and the market, in our view, has not fully discounted this risk,” the analysts wrote.

They also cut the OPM assumptions by 20%-30% similar to pre-Covid-19 margins of US$2.4-5 and said that the glove makers will see a mean reversion and trade at their respective historical trading ranges of 13-18 times earnings unless a price war happens.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/jp-m...underestimation

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China glove export data october 2021

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It seems october price was below q2/20 level and china nitrile glove export in october is many folds of q1/20.


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On November 8, the USTR extended the expiration date for tariff exemptions on 81 out of 99 types of personal protective equipment for six more months, until May. But the tariff exemptions for the remaining 18 products will expire at the end of this month, including certain types of face masks, hand sanitisers and disposable gloves.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/...ck-after-nearly

May mean disposable gloves is no longer critical in the u.s and likely to benefit local exporters to the us. expect china gloves exporter to dump excess supply and price in other markets.


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Glove stock day day sinking like titanic ............you jump but nobody jump
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The world's largest vaccine maker will halve the production of its Covid-19 vaccine because it has no fresh orders, its top-ranking executive has said.

India's Serum Institute is sitting on a stockpile of half a billion doses of Covishield, the local version of AstraZeneca's Vaxzevria jab, the firm's CEO Adar Poonawalla told CNBC-TV18.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59574878

Similar stockpile could occur for gloves.

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KUALA LUMPUR (Dec 10): Top Glove Corp Bhd reported on Friday that its first quarter (1Q) net profit dropped sharply to RM185.72 million from RM2.36 billion a year earlier on lower revenue.

In a statement to Bursa Malaysia, Top Glove said revenue fell to RM1.58 billion in the first quarter ended Nov 30, 2021 (1QFY22) from RM4.76 billion a year earlier.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...6b-year-earlier

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who buy glove stocks when omicron came into news?

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 4 2021, 08:33 PM)
Tropicana purchase of Top Glove shares...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/trop...op-glove-shares

Here's a record of Tropicana's 'investment' of TopGlove

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At 2.49, thanks to TG boss, Tropicana would had been sitting on 62 million of losses....

But luckily, Tropicana on 16th April decided to cut loss and sold some 1,895,000 shares at average price pf 5.27.
now how would you describe this?
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U should look at Topglove own share buyback

Total about 200mil shares purchase, average price paid RM1.4bil+, average price RM7 per share

Now trading at RM2.20, that's lost about 70% in paper, meaning the share buyback has cost the company losing about RM1bil on paper whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 10 2021, 04:10 PM)
U should look at Topglove own share buyback

Total about 200mil shares purchase, average price paid RM1.4bil+, average price RM7 per share

Now trading at RM2.20, that's lost about 70% in paper, meaning the share buyback has cost the company losing about RM1bil on paper whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Made posting on it b4...

2.08 that's the number to watch for.

Below it....that's a billion ringgit gone.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 28 2021, 02:20 PM)
RM 2 soon...
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today hit liao...

now see if will eventually hit 1.6 or not... lol

who's the guy say 2.6 is good value can start buying

too bad face palm guy suspended... he say strong support 2.3... lol... sometimes miss his garbage posts... lol
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it seems nitrile glove price in november 21 was at pre-pandemic level. forecast q4/21 profit is >30% lower than q3/21.

gain of nitrile glove export were mostly from anhui and jiangxi province. it seems china producers have taken substantial market share from mys.

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it seems nitrile glove price in november 21 was at pre-pandemic level. forecast q4/21 profit is >30% lower than q3/21.

gain of nitrile glove export were mostly from anhui and jiangxi province. it seems china producers have taken substantial market share from mys.
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 02:07 AM)
When everyone fears it is time to enter. Rule no.1 do not follow the majority
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Catching a falling knife could end in injury.

For reasons, most herd members end in slaughterhouse or over the cliff.

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Catching a falling knife could end in injury.

For reasons, most herd members end in slaughterhouse or over the cliff.
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As long as the company is fundamentally viable operating with slow CAGR it is worth for long term accumulation. Never ever follow others But the company future prospect
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 08:44 AM)
As long as the company is fundamentally viable operating with slow CAGR it is worth for long term accumulation. Never ever follow others But the company future prospect
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In glove production, heating is a significant cost and not viable to run production line at below full capacity.

Given supply > demand in the industry, profit margin will likely razor thin and some may operate at losses.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 21 2021, 08:56 AM)
In glove production, heating is a significant cost and not viable to run production line at below full capacity.

Given supply > demand in the industry, profit margin will likely razor thin and some may operate at losses.
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Supply > demand? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. We need more people who are not in healthcare line like you🙈. My Gentle advise read more news all over the world.
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 09:34 AM)
Supply > demand? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. We need more people who are not in healthcare line like you🙈. My Gentle advise read more news all over the world.
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Wahhh... why so not gentle comment?

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Glove supplies have indeed increased tremendously the past few months.... all the big local players have had (in the midst) massive capex and we have many new players too locally...

Oversupply had always been part of the glove industry.



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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 21 2021, 10:04 AM)
Wahhh... why so not gentle comment?

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Glove supplies have indeed increased tremendously the past few months.... all the big local players have had (in the midst) massive capex and we have many new players too locally...

Oversupply had always been part of the glove industry.
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Lol. Just trolling 😛😛 those who are in healthcare Line know demand would not be enough. No doubt alot Small players coming in and competition from other countries. History has told us again and again What happen to them. Actually more grateful ppl afraid. Hehe….
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 10:09 AM)
Lol. Just trolling 😛😛 those who are in healthcare Line know demand would not be enough. No doubt alot Small players coming in and competition from other countries. History has told us again and again What happen to them. Actually more grateful ppl afraid. Hehe….
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The small new players are really ikan bilis la ....

I remember when Covid first started, TG already announced plans that it will increase its gloves produstion from 75 Billion to 100 Billion in 2020.
By end this year, the target is supposed to be 120 billion.

120 billion gloves hor....

it's not something u can eat or every tom, dick and harry will buy.


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current index prices for glove counters are normal IMHO since they rocketed to high last time.. even oil can go -ve once when demand still high then not impossible for glove to drop to unimagine rate before stabile. So long they can hold and dont go bust to early then it will be business as usual in next couple of years.
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QUOTE(mrcg @ Dec 21 2021, 10:23 AM)
current index prices for glove counters are normal IMHO since they rocketed to high last time.. even oil can go -ve once when demand still high then not impossible for glove to drop to unimagine rate before stabile. So long they can hold and dont go bust to early then it will be business as usual in next couple of years.
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Ya.. what do you think the unimaginable prices will be? Below 1.50? Or below 1.00? Or even 0.80?

And how long b4 business stabilise?

Will oversupply cause selling prices decline for more than a decade?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 21 2021, 10:22 AM)
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The small new players are really ikan bilis la ....

I remember when Covid first started, TG already announced plans that it will increase its gloves produstion from 75 Billion to 100 Billion in 2020.
By end this year, the target is supposed to be 120 billion.

120 billion gloves hor....

it's not something u can eat or every tom, dick and harry will buy.
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Lol. Go figure out How much total population in this world and How much disposal gloves being used daily. Go do Your own study. Dont want feed You all🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪.
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 11:48 AM)
Lol. Go figure out How much total population in this world and How much disposal gloves being used daily. Go do Your own study. Dont want feed You all🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪.
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LOL. So your point is........?
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LOL. So your point is........?
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 09:34 AM)
Supply > demand? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. We need more people who are not in healthcare line like you🙈. My Gentle advise read more news all over the world.
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 10:09 AM)
Lol. Just trolling 😛😛 those who are in healthcare Line know demand would not be enough. No doubt alot Small players coming in and competition from other countries. History has told us again and again What happen to them. Actually more grateful ppl afraid. Hehe….
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 11:48 AM)
Lol. Go figure out How much total population in this world and How much disposal gloves being used daily. Go do Your own study. Dont want feed You all🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪.
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Glove asp is the product of demand and supply, and price trend in last few months said otherwise.

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Glove asp is the product of demand and supply, and price trend in last few months said otherwise.
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Adoi. I think You better study the history of gloves first. Lazy to explain. Dont Just look at 2020 only due to Covid. That is totally different scenario altogether
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Rule no.1 When media ask You to sell, it is time For You to accumulate. When media ask You to enter it is time to run🤣🤣
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Rule no.1 When media ask You to sell, it is time For You to accumulate. When media ask You to enter it is time to run🤣🤣
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Media articles are for reading la...
It doesn't hurt to read more...

* you don't see some interesting points noted in the article? *

Buying/Selling based on media articles?
Adoiii..... you do things like this one meh?

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Media articles are for reading la...
It doesn't hurt to read more...

* you don't see some interesting points noted in the article? *

Buying/Selling based on media articles?
Adoiii..... you do things like this one meh?
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The media wants to potray as bad as possible on their paymaster to reap profits from retailers. It all boils down to sentiments for traders🤭
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The media wants to potray as bad as possible on their paymaster to reap profits from retailers. It all boils down to sentiments for traders🤭
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 07:27 PM)
Adoi. I think You better study the history of gloves first. Lazy to explain. Dont Just look at 2020 only due to Covid. That is totally different scenario altogether
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 07:28 PM)
Rule no.1 When media ask You to sell, it is time For You to accumulate. When media ask You to enter it is time to run🤣🤣
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 21 2021, 08:25 PM)
The media wants to potray as bad as possible on their paymaster to reap profits from retailers. It all boils down to sentiments for traders🤭
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if one knows glove industry long enough is aware profit margin is razor thin and many weren't profitable.

china customs data is not from media.

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The boss insistence to go thru with the HK listing is mind boggling.

Agree yhtan?

Me thinks it is nothing but a selfish ego boosting exercise. A placement of shares which dilutes minority shareholders for what?

Money raised used for what?

Capex?

The worst nightmare is using the money in another crazed share buyback exercise again...

Wait...

Trying to be bigger than MrDiy now?

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 22 2021, 08:57 AM)
The boss insistence to go thru with the HK listing is mind boggling.

Agree yhtan?

Me thinks it is nothing but a selfish ego boosting exercise. A placement of shares which dilutes minority shareholders for what?

Money raised used for what?

Capex?

The worst nightmare is using the money in another crazed share buyback exercise again...

Wait...

Trying to be bigger than MrDiy now?
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A channel to move shareholders funds to overseas.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 22 2021, 08:57 AM)
The boss insistence to go thru with the HK listing is mind boggling.

Agree yhtan?

Me thinks it is nothing but a selfish ego boosting exercise. A placement of shares which dilutes minority shareholders for what?

Money raised used for what?

Capex?

The worst nightmare is using the money in another crazed share buyback exercise again...

Wait...

Trying to be bigger than MrDiy now?
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After they spent RM1bil for share buy back, they left with not much of cash compare with the 3 (Harta, Kossan, Supermax).

They need the cash for expansion of factory, maybe in future 1-2 year. But then can u trust the boss to spend the money carefully? u certainly got the answer lor whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 22 2021, 09:49 AM)
After they spent RM1bil for share buy back, they left with not much of cash compare with the 3 (Harta, Kossan, Supermax).

They need the cash for expansion of factory, maybe in future 1-2 year. But then can u trust the boss to spend the money carefully? u certainly got the answer lor whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Badly 'advised' eh?


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Badly 'advised' eh?
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if one knows glove industry long enough is aware profit margin is razor thin and many weren't profitable.

china customs data is not from media.
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Lol all the data and statistic Can be found via usditc. Dont be lazy ass. Even ASP is increasing. 🤭
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Lol all the data and statistic Can be found via usditc. Dont be lazy ass. Even ASP is increasing. 🤭
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China customs data said otherwise. if you are vested then share price will reflect after next qr.

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China customs data said otherwise. if you are vested then share price will reflect after next qr.
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Which data u referring? Fake website? Even china ASP in november Naik🤭
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Which data u referring? Fake website? Even china ASP in november Naik🤭
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In time, share price will tell whose data is fake.

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In time, share price will tell whose data is fake.
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Lol. Bursa de casino You still believe their share price🙈
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Lol. Bursa de casino You still believe their share price🙈
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Then why bother with topg?
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Then why bother with topg?
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Where got bother share price. Ppl look at fundamental lah not share price control by syndicate🤭

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Where got bother share price. Ppl look at fundamental lah not share price control by syndicate🤭

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Then why bother with fundamentals?


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Then why bother with fundamentals?
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You got prob with comprehension? 🤭 share price is determined by syndicate not ordinary folks like us. We ikan bilis look at company’s cagr🤣🤣🤣
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Dec 29 2021, 11:24 AM)
You got prob with comprehension? 🤭 share price is determined by syndicate not ordinary folks like us. We ikan bilis look at company’s cagr🤣🤣🤣
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If share price is not correlated to cagr or fundamental; beside academic purpose, how cagr could be relevant to #retailers?

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If share price is not correlated to cagr or fundamental; how cagr could be relevant to #retailers?
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Adoi So genetec share price correlated with cagr? Panasonic’s share price correlated with cagr?🤭 banyak lagi lazy to teach Ppl like You🤣🤣🤣🤣
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TAN SRI DR LIM WEE CHAI (a substantial shareholder) acquired 2,000,000 shares on 06-Jan-2022.

https://klse.i3investor.com/insider/substan..._3281969348.jsp

big boss bought, minions should follow else NBDRE
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2021年中国丁腈手套出口数量及出口均价走势图
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In 2020, raw mat price rise was a reason to rise asp. if raw mat price sustain at this level or higher, profit could drop faster than asp.

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A manufacturer of rubber gloves facing a US import ban over alleged labour abuses has agreed to reimburse its workers for deductions from wages and fines levied on them, according to a migrant rights activist.

Letters were issued to the workers on Friday, in which the company also agreed to part-recompensation of recruitment fees the workers had paid to agents and interest on past recruitment fees, said activist Andy Hall.

He said the letter stated that the company would also pay an ex-gratia sum to current and former workers for any related costs or financial loss incurred during their employment with the company.

Hall said the compensation payments come after years of serious abuses. He alleged that the workers had suffered fines and large deductions from their wages.

The company came under an import ban by US Customs last year over allegations of forced labour among its migrant workforce and breaches of US trade laws.

When contacted by FMT, the company said it would respond soon.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...se-its-workers/

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Malaysia’s Supermax glove company committed to combat debt bondage, expands scope of remediation payment KUALA LUMPUR, February 08, 2022 Press statement available at
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3231432

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1.6 on the way...
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1.6 on the way...
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TP lao sai coming
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Well, well, well.....

NP of TP did lao sai so TP is starting to lao sai....



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alamak.... that sounds utterly terrible...




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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 9 2022, 02:32 PM)
Well, well, well.....

NP of TP did lao sai so TP is starting to lao sai....
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alamak.... that sounds utterly terrible...
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O my....
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 10 2022, 03:24 PM)
Meanwhile.... since they are lowering the call to underperform/sell .....

they made the following adjustment...

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which clearly means.... when market is hot.... they pandai pandai use CY in order to mask some overly optimistic estimations...

now when earnings come crashing down... they fast hand fast leg change to FY.
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Where is TS?... ape comment skrg?
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Mar 10 2022, 05:01 PM)
Where is TS?... ape comment skrg?
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ts from 2008 can predict now?... you funny... lol...
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maybe rich already. laugh all the way to bank
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