Hands on pictures available now
Source of pictures - http://www.hacken.cc/bbs/thread-337209-1-1.html
The box
Front

Back


The console







Battery


Charger



Some screenies (startup and setup screens)






Camera functions






Screenies when using flashcart
R4 is not detected


EZflash V detected but not working

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New DS is confirmed...


http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/02/nintend...ounces-the-dsi/

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Added on October 2, 2008, 2:04 pmsource: http://www.gamekyo.com/newsen29157_nintend...e-in-japan.html

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Added on October 2, 2008, 2:05 pm

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Added on October 2, 2008, 2:10 pmMore Pictures in Page 4 by TongCN[COLOR=blue]

Comparison Chart between DSi and DSL[COLOR=red]


Comparison Pictures - http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1218552_1124.html

Demonstration Video


This post has been edited by evilhomura89: Oct 31 2008, 07:03 PM

Time to upgrade?

Don't think so...

Quote from engadget - The company is calling it a "third platform," which means it's complementing the existing DS Lite, not necessarily replacing it.

Damn this is stopping my purchase of the NDSL this year!
I hope I have larger screens for my NDS so I'm waiting for this one to arrive here.

Time for a new console. lolz.

Lack of a GBA slot means some games which needs the GBA versions to unlock certain things in the DS game won't be possible anymore (though there are few of such games anyway).

EDIT: Oh, and without it, games that NEED the GBA slot such as Guitar Hero won't function :/...wonder how that will be fixed....

Oh, and for those who play Pokemon, hang on to your DSL - PalPark is impossible with this new DS

This post has been edited by Phoenix_Cypher_K1: Oct 2 2008, 03:17 PM

I think I'll be sticking to my NDSL, can't see any point in upgrading if I'm gonna lose all the GBA's functionality... And with that, bye bye to Opera DS/Rumble Pack/etc. thingy that depends on SLOT-2

It also looks too similar to the current NDSL

This post has been edited by Dreamworks: Oct 2 2008, 04:15 PM

Neat stuff, woot, almost the same pricing with DSL? How I wish that Nintendo is working on Wii HD, by the way, there are news that there is a new better DS coming soon, SD card means that we will getting Virtual Console sort of thing?

Dual touch screen is awesome.

But I still love my current NDSL.

Another link:

http://gizmodo.com/5057873/nintendo-dsi-bo...nd-audio-player

More link: http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/02/nintend...ounces-the-dsi/
http://www.engadget.com/photos/nintendo-an...-store/1069020/

This post has been edited by Pip_X: Oct 2 2008, 05:04 PM

my NDSL not even half year old
But what I think is does it support flash card we are using now ?

I do hope the D-pad and button will have more improvement, currently the Lite one a bit weak

This post has been edited by TongCN: Oct 2 2008, 05:14 PM

hmm....about the flashcart...u'll have to wait till someone got their hands on the NDSi 1st...

"Has onboard memory"

Means got firmware upgrade? for Wi-Fi & camera feature? games need higher version like PSP ? Means those flash card will be wipe out ?

Add on: If it is Dual Touch Screen, I think the problem of hinge broken sure will increase. Like those kid touch the upper screen strongly *Ouch*

This post has been edited by TongCN: Oct 2 2008, 05:36 PM

I just got my NDSL, now a new DSi,

nothing to worry, NDSL have something that NDSi cant do too.
Enjoy your NDSL, it's a fun console ^^

Add: My NDSL too just bought one 2 months only

This post has been edited by TongCN: Oct 2 2008, 06:12 PM

me too...cause the deal was quite good..couldn't afford to miss it
who knows....NDSi was announced

flash card?

anyway, no DS logo at front anymore?

This post has been edited by viledante: Oct 2 2008, 06:18 PM

NDSL can still play GBA games while NDSi cant

The Guitar Heroes Grip also need to use slot 2 as mention by someone above but cant use in NDSi.

oh, forgot about GBA, who going to play it again?
yeah, GH on tour, forgot about that too.

but maybe GH will use the function of the touch screen, both touchable,
one for fret, one for strum =/

It is confirmed that there will be only one touchscreen.

A bigger display really complements the whole console, but the display resolution hasn't changed at all, meaning that we would still see even blockier textures. The biggest loss here is the removal of SLOT-2, which obviously caused a lot of worries/tantrums from users relying on it. In short, there will be no rumble pack, no added memory (unless more RAM is built in), and most importantly, no more GBA games.

Also, they have not announced what type of batteries will be used on the DSi. Most speculate that it would share the same battery pack as the Lite, but with the new console being 12% thinner and again, the removal of the GBA slot, there is still a trace of light for a new redesign.

About the camera, this really isn't much to bark about but with a 3.0 megapixel cam, I hope Nintendo decides to be generous and don't throw in a fixed-focus lens. Who knows, games in the future might feature taking objects, and autofocus would be very handy in this case.

Also, the relocation of the power button is a serious mishap. They should have left it where it is on the Lite, and used a button instead of a spring switch.

eh, other than the DSi shop channel, nothing to shout about in the new hardware.
Most likely I'm not going to replace my DSLite and wait for their next upgrade.

Battery specs taken from the Nintendo Japan site:

Battery Duration:
DS - Minimum brightness - 15-19 h | Low - 10 to 15 h | High - 7 and 11 h | Maximum - 5 to 8 h
DSi - Minimum brightness - 9 to 14 h | Low - 8 to 12 h | Medium - 6 to 9 h | High - 4 to 6 h | Maximum - 3 to 4 h

Even if there was a new battery redesign, things aren't looking good for the DSi. Not sure if WiFi gaming is considered, but seems like it isn't, which I would give a minimum of 1.5 hours of gaming on the highest setting.

Edit: Didn't notice that the DSi now has an extra step in the brightness setting, so it's hard to say if it's the same as the Lite.

This post has been edited by colinwong89: Oct 2 2008, 06:47 PM

hehe, DSi comes wif a built in web browser

I am curious as well. It just mentioned DSi ware, which makes me wonder, original games or portable virtual consoles.

hehe, never tot that u still own it, i tot u sold it edy.

3 megapixel or 0.3?

0.3 is for the inside, 3.0 is for the outside, right?

Even with the built-in browser, people who use their DSes to surf the Net will know they would only use it on a last-resort basis. It's just too slow IMHO.

Also, it's 3 megapixel on the outside, 0.3 megapixel on the inside.

seems nice, but it has its pros and cons as laid out by the others here:

pro:
- camera with 3.0 mp outside and 0.3 mp inside,
- 3.25" screen
- 12% thinner
- etc, etc

cons:
- battery life reduced
- no gba slot
- no change in picture quality
- etc, etc

since there's no dual touchscreen, it shouldn't be much of a wow factor anyway. so those who are already having an ndsl shouldn't be sad, it's still somewhat better than ndsi.

yeah, I thought it'll be a dual touchscreen.

nintendo should add the multi touch likes the ipod touch.

haha i think it'll be a long way more to that, and imagine all the fingerprints eww.. i can't stand it, even for my ndsl, i keep the screens at tip top condition whenever i'm not using it, or when i feel it a little rough then i'll give it a wipe.

If they did multi-touch functionality it's going to break backwards compatibility with the DS and DS Lite. Then again, what's going to happen if you plug a game requiring the camera into pre-DSi handhelds...

Where is the source saying there is only one touch screen?

Do. Want.
Preorder one naw. Fasta!

Not really officially mentioned anywhere, but if there were supposed to be two touchscreens Nintendo should be hollering it out since it's release. Furthermore it's already been mentioned that it's not a new platform altogether, but a new product to extend the DS platform.

haha, you right

if they didn't make much change, then DSi will be nothing lah, all its upgrade is the size and reduce all the function likes the gba, battery etc.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/02/nintend...ounces-the-dsi/

at the end of the post

-SD slot on the left side, there seems to be a slot where the power button originally used to be for the NDSL but unclear
-Smaller shoulder buttons
-Where's the volume control?

If they made a paradigm shift with it's features, it'll be a new console platform altogether. Nintendo's main goal is to extend the life of the DS platform, obviously you can't make many changes aside from a few things to retain compatibility.

This post has been edited by colinwong89: Oct 2 2008, 07:15 PM

mayb the 0.3mp cam is for video conferencing thru wi-fi??
seems like NDSL users don't need to upgrade to NDSi...not worth the upgrade
NDSi's new features are more like bonus upgrades rather than essential upgrades

the speaker looks like psp-3000

so basically, it didn't worth to buy it. It just upgrade some minor, and reduce the major =/

This post has been edited by viledante: Oct 2 2008, 07:20 PM

Anyone noticed that the START and SELECT buttons are slightly bigger on the DSi?

can't really tell from the pictures in the first post, looks about the same.

I want larger screens so mayb I'll wait for this one.

Certainly looks bigger from here.

ah yes, that's very sharp and clear. yep definitely bigger than ndsl's hehe. the signal symbols above the LEDs are pretty nifty too, what is the middle LED for?

Charging LED. At least Nintendo wasn't stingy with the LEDs now

ahh ic, hehe yeah, instead of having both charging and power LED the same. hmm i noticed there's a battery indicator on the top screen, hopefully that'll be available in-game as well?

here it is!

meh! they using buttons instead of slide ones? quite mahfan la, have to press press a few times to lower/increase volume.

Well, if the DSi is able to access the firmware while playing a game (like how the PSP does), the battery bar would most definitely be there. I'm hoping for a built-in soft reset in the firmware as well.

You can't even start the game without the grip attached....idea won't work.

I meant they'll make a new game for it.
anyway, there will be no dual touchscreen.=/

Oops, mistook the volume control for the SD slot. Now the volume control being controlled by buttons, one with small hands might accidentally press it, yet we won't know if it's at the maximum volume by a glance and definitely lower sensitivity intervals.

But those people who carry their DS for music in their pockets would find the button arrangement handy. Maybe a long hold to switch tracks?

Wow where did you get the pics!?

Hmm if this one comes to Malaysia, will the price of the NDSL drop?

It *might* drop, but don't expect major price cuts....

I think the price still around RM600~700
But since they had remove the slot 2, shouldn't they lower the price

I think this release will surely wipe out all of the Flash Card as I think they had changed the board of DS > <

This post has been edited by TongCN: Oct 2 2008, 07:56 PM

Remove slot 2 but add all the other features...nope...

When it first arrives here, expect shops to hike it up to RM800 to RM1k+. It's happened with DSL, it can happen again.

As far as flash cards are concerned...high chances it won't work with this DSi....by now Nintendo would have done something with the firmware..but only time will tell....

I would say so too, as the DSi isn't really the complete successor to the DSL. The absence of a SLOT-2 really affects my decision to get one of these. If the SD card can replace SLOT-2 functions (other than guitar frets, paddles, and rumble feature which I don't really care about), I might consider one.

But it doesn't really matter if I going to change or not since there are only some new feature add in there and remove my lovely slot 2

I like slot 2 more than camera
Btw, do hope the D-pad and button plus L & R have some improvement > < Then I might consider one

This post has been edited by TongCN: Oct 2 2008, 08:02 PM

I would say that between the SLOT-2 and the extra updates of the DSi, they do have their own merits. Support for WPA, bigger screen and improved speakers are definitely catching my eye here, but that means we won't be seeing anymore extra equipment that could be inserted into the DS for games and the like, which means the SLOT-2 will eventually be obsolete anyway.

Makes sense if they arent going dual touchscreen. It'll be a rather stupid move if they did.

Ive read it somewhere that the NINTENDO TOKYO PRESS CONFERENCE besides the new system of dsi
theres also a new game announced in the conference which is Mario and Luigi 3 <

nice...
i attracted to its new features

the new DSi is available in 2 colors (at the moment) ~ black & white

very soon they'll come out with MOARRR colors

hmmm is our DS Lite going to be discontinued?

This post has been edited by panasonic88: Oct 2 2008, 08:16 PM

Your sig is the most beautiful little girl I've ever seen!
I'm feeling like a pedophile now!

Likely so, Nintendo seems to be pushing their online service for now, unless DS and DSL users get a firmware update

Hmm. I would what to see how they might be able to achieve that.

IMO, DSL should get a year or two more before it's discontinued.....DSi can't really replace DSL as mentioned on the thread.

so anybody got an extra info about the camera function?
i mean the picture gallery bla bla bla-perhaps the picture can be transfered over from one platform to the other??
3mp seems decent quality to me-but dont really no wats the necessity of it being included in DSi

Just a guess, but probably not. With all the work involved just to re-flash a DS or DSL and their small capacity flash chips, chances it's not going to happen at all.

In terms of hardware, we still don't know much about what the DSi has to offer. There's definitely extra RAM and storage, just how much is there?

This post has been edited by colinwong89: Oct 2 2008, 08:30 PM

Well. Just a hunch and random theory. Maybe they could use the download play function? Connect to the Wii or WiFi and download the update. I think its possible, make the update something like the demos. Wont stay on your DS. Disappear when you turn off your DS.

Older game can support WPA?

i just hope that they still make the game compatible for the old NDS Phat or Lite...

Hmm, never thought of that.

Technically it is possible that the update could be delivered to users via Download Play, but it'll only have access to a portion of the firmware, not all of it. Unless Nintendo is able to develop some compression system that'll fit everything into that portion, and NDSi users being able to download stuff from them which is a selling point for the NDSi, it won't work. Where would we DS and DSL users store our DSWares anyway

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Added on October 2, 2008, 8:50 pmIt's not about the game, but the console itself.

Definitely would, no doubt about that, maybe apart from a few games.

This post has been edited by colinwong89: Oct 2 2008, 08:50 PM

The AM3 flashcart? The official one for the DS. Or a newer cart to play DSWare.

If that happens, then the previous console owners will just need to wait for some 'unauthorized development'. It is already possible to emulate the current DSL firmware on an emulator.

Also, if DSVision users are already able to download content, why need a NDSi? There should be something that separates the both of them, maybe different downloadable content, I suppose.

This post has been edited by colinwong89: Oct 2 2008, 09:00 PM

DSVision only offers contents like movies and comics. Not the DSWare. Guess that already sets them apart.

nice

I thought tat side is SD slot but look at it. It so much like DS games cartridge O.o

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Added on October 2, 2008, 11:02 pmHere's more pic about NDSi


White NDSi


Black NDSi (omg, I love the Black design)


Looks wider than NDSL


The Slot 1 will call what since there is no more slot 2 ?
The L R button look nicer but don't know the vulnerability, hope is better


The Screen does look bigger and clearer.
The battery also shows 4 blocks (PSP 3 blocks) which makes it better. At least we know the battery life
And there's a new volume bar down there


My lovely slot 2 is gone
The D-pad design seems changed? back to phat DS one ?


SD Card Slot


New volume control, at least better than slide one...

This post has been edited by TongCN: Oct 2 2008, 11:08 PM

I dont think they'll continue manufacturing the DSL since the flash cart are on rampant right now. Maybe their motive behind this new DSI release is to stop the use of flash cart, who knows?

Perhaps so, but seeing that DSL has the Slot 2 and DSi doesn't (and as I mentioned, some games use the Slot 2)....they might just keep the DSL going for just a while longer.

Ah. They changed the volume button. Not that i care. But did they change the brightness to be like the PSP? I hate not being able to change the brightness during games.

One things i like to know is why all the companies add the letter 'i' to their products to make it cool?

at least they added it to the end rather than the head.
Imagine. iDS. heh.

I think that many of the extensions that tried to use the GBA slot aren't "must have". Its an interesting direction for the DS.
Its kinda interesting tho, essentially, minus the camera and double touch screen, the DSi feels like nintendo's way of trying to venturing into portable applications, the realm of homebrew.

Corez should do a bulk for this once it is available on Amazon usa, haha.

Comparison Chart between DSi and DSL


Comparison Pictures - http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1218552_1124.html






No more fingerprint magnet


DSi have a longer stylus compared to DSL.


This post has been edited by evilhomura89: Oct 3 2008, 01:16 AM

more updates from conference in usa. link.

- Denise Kaigler takes the stage

- information is embargoed until Monday, but live blog is permitted

- Reggie takes the stage

- event is all about core, classic, expanded audience, and Wii

- DSi shop service bringing two redesigned Brain Age games

- two cameras confirmed once again

- real time imaging software

- store songs on SD card, uses AAC format

- built-in software for controlling pitch, speed, audio filters, and more

- record voice through mic, and change playback speed and pitch

- all of these camera/music options are pre-loaded

- play sound in games at louder volume

- opera browser reconfirmed

- DSi will not hit North America until ‘well into’ 2009 because the DS Lite is still selling at phenomenal rates. Last year was the best year ever for DS in North America, and this year is going at a rate that’s 22% better.

- 22 million DS units sold in North America

- 23 million DS Units sold in Japan

- Purchase/download WiiWare/VC software directly to SD. Transfer process will become ‘dramatically easier’

- More DS units to be shipped in Oct. Nov, Dec

- More Wii units to be shipped in Oct, Nov, Dec

- Reggie doesn’t know if these allotments will be enough to satiate demand

- Cammie Dunaway takes the stage

- Punch-Out!! Wii being shown. Same screens that we saw last night. Perfect time for this game to return. Trailer being show. Little Mac is shadowboxing. Awesome live orchestra version of classic Punch-Out song.

- Call of Duty: World at War will be playable at this event. New co-op mode being shown off. This is the mode we’ve already heard about.

- MadWorld being talked about. No new information being talked about yet. New build playable at the show.

- Dead Rising Drop Till You Drop talked about

- The Conduit talked about again. High Voltage team members take the stage. Live demo being shown. New level being shown off…third level, cold war bunker. Development is still pre-alpha…but still on target for Q1 2009 ship. Majority of single player complete. In the ‘polish phase’. Depth of field being shown off. Focusing on multiplayer using feedback they get from press and fans. All-seeing eye being shown off once again. 16 player multiplayer, focusing on traditional MP modes. 15 enemy types in the game. All-seeing eye can open device and pick locks. Voiceover will be recorded this month. Detail mapping for non-blurry textures. Player can walk right up to textures and they will maintain quality. Talking about the game engine to take advantage of Wii abilities. Z-lock health/range being shown off again. Interactive water, light maps, and more. Normal mapping, blooms, blurs, and a lot more. All feedback is being looked, and possibly incorporated if needed. No publisher announced.

- Wii Music is being talked about. I’ll update on this game if there is any new info. Right now, it’s all the stuff we know.

- Animal Crossing City Folk is up now. Once again, if there is new info, I will post more.

- Wii Fit is being shown off. There is a celebrity trainer here to show off Wii Fit. He’ll be giving tips at the event.

- Rayman Raving Rabbids: TV Party up next. Butt-control is a major selling point. This game will ‘work your core’ like none other.

- Sin and Punishment 2 being shown. Screens we’ve already seen. 2009 will bring Sin and Punishment 2 stateside. Trailer being shown. Techno music, lots of shooting, giant bird-like enemy being shown. Underwater fights, space fights, and more.

- Now the show is moving onto DS titles

- Personal Trainer: Cooking is due out in the first half of 2009. Personal trainers on math, walking, and cooking are on the way as well. Chef from the hotel will be demoing the game.

- Rhythm Heaven being talked about. Expecting big sales

- New Age of Empires quickly talked about

- Tecmo Bowl: Kickoff quickly talked about

- Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia quickly talked about. COnfirmation of Judgment connection offered up once again

- Chrono Trigger talked about quickly

- Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon - 1st half of 2009. Live demo being given. Once again, a very advanced remake of the classic Famicom title. Difficulty settings, online modes, storyline details being discussed. This is stuff that we’ve covered in the past. Full voice chat with friends, not random people.

- Pokemon Ranger 2 reconfirmed for Nov. 10th

- Henry Hatsworth is at the event, due out early 2009.

- Mario and Luigi RPG 3 - release date is ‘2009′. Bowser joins in with Mario and Luigi. Trailer is being shown. Play as Bowser with Bowser-specific attacks. Control Goombas for major attacks.

- Wii Speak Channel on Nov. 16. Talk up to 4 groups of people at once. Buy WiiSpeak, get a ticket to download the channel for free. Send voice messages to friends, as well as a photo.

-Club Nintendo announced for North America! Debuts in North America by the end of the year.

Why is the DSi reusing the old GBA EXT connector?

It's the charging slot.

This post has been edited by Pip_X: Oct 3 2008, 08:15 AM

The charging time has been decreased to 2 hours and 30 minutes which is better than NDSL XD

why they don't put the Nintendo DS logo on the front like NDSL? hmmm looks a bit plain on the surface...

but the playing time decreased too..

Hmm. The DSi looks a bit more jagged thant the DSL.

NDSi not nice in black colour