I brought this up in the glider thread in Pets Wonderland but the Moderator is not answering me so I was hoping that by posting in the dispute thread, the moderator will have an answer rather than hiding.

her WTS thread url :
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=348002&hl=



This post has been edited by hazzy: Sep 30 2008, 04:42 PM

We have supported her for so long..
All these while we thought she was doing something great..
But I guess I'm wrong..

SLURP is useless..
Without calcium in it, what's the purpose of it??

I know somebody who happens to be in LYN also..
His glider has been taking slurp all these while..
And yet the glider is suffering from hind-leg paralysis...
Because of what? Because of lack of calcium...

the maker's partner was the one suggested to send to lab..
now many bucks have been spent and now they are claiming that the sender contaminated it..
What a ridiculous nonsense...

Now even worst, the maker is being such a coward by not stepping forward..
At least she could've come and give explanation to this..

The last time she/he online were yesterday night.

Is the Gliderslurp homemade? If it is a homemade product I m GUESSING that it might have some chemical which might have a side effects which even the moderator him/herself did not know about it as it is not tested.


The proved that you have their does not show that it is dangerous to the pets(Maybe it does but i dont understand it )
If you could find some expert to explain it then I think it will be much better.

oh wow...if only people would dedicate that much attention to raising their kids....

haha imagine how mature and educated the child will be.

is it only ur slurp? or every other slurp?? do inform him/her to explain

This sound quite serious matter here. Mean alot of suggies got affected like melamine-infection in China?

Wow you even resort to sending it for chemical analysis.So what happened to your glider now?Is it okay.

hopefully no, because im summon the maker of the slurp to give explanation, but she didnt not respond at all

shes fine, i hope
the toxic wont effect immediately, it'll take months, years maybe.
plus, glider are very good in hiding their sickness because in wild, it'll help to protect themselves from their prey

some people do.
anyway humans can speak & warn us if there's anything wrong & we understand.
like hazzy said, sugar gliders are very good at hiding their sickness because in the wild sickness means easy prey.
in the wild, the young, old, wounded & sick will be the easiest to kill by predators.

No wonder my name suddenly pop up in the statement. Apparently kena misunderstood, I said consult a vet or nutritionist, nothing to do with analysis or sending to test in a lab la. FYI, I'm only partner in the glider dealing, not the food.

Cuz I do know that other than researching on the net, she does ask vets and a friend that's a nutritionist about the ingredients before adding them into the slurp. That's what I meant bout consulting a nutritionist or vet, by getting their opinion and advice.

PS : I do know the calcium she uses is Rep-cal without the Vit D3. The multi-vitamins are those for reptiles, so it's very low in phosphorus. Was curious so asked her quite awhile ago bout it.

This post has been edited by Reanne: Oct 2 2008, 03:43 AM

Please let me know if my statement if unfair.

Well, of corse hazzy has his right to doubt and ask for responds from Hun since this is her product and that's the analysis he claims as the result the SLURP sent to the lab.

But this is only one of the slurp, the item is sent without consulting the lab or hun first, and the statements are from hazzy, not the lab.

At the same time, it is understandable that for those that are concern, especially Sugar Glider owners, are eagerly waiting for responds.

But hazzy, you mentioned that you sent smoothie for analysis as well and you have the report, do you mind to share? It would be more convincing to me if you do share with the report of the one you currently feeding and recommending, if your intention is to share and care, not any other motives.

This post has been edited by White Palace: Oct 2 2008, 03:53 AM

While waiting for the reply, for Glider Owners out there who are cautious about the diet and still pending for the answer, maybe these can help a bit for ideas to feed your gliders. Fruits higher in calcium are papaya, figs and rose apple(jambu air) so you can add these fruits more often to your suggie's menu. As a source of protein, hard boiled eggs, scrambled eggs(without salt or pepper) and boiled chicken breast(boiled only with water) can be offered.

Sweet peas(I like to use baby sweet peas), sawi(higher in calcium to phos), romaine lettuce, sweet potatoes etc. My gliders don't like sawi but they eat the rest. Organic baby bottled foods sold in organic stores can be offered too. Watch out for garlic or onions in the ingredients.

Here's a menu for those who would like to be more creative with their suggie meals.

http://glidersanonymous.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=4371

Why.. the maker take too long to explain... dont when she come back here and tell panjang lebar with his result his bla bla bla....

How we want to know dat he already upgrade the slurp and send to the lab.. then the result ....walla.!!!! good result....

Should us must trust it directly?

Smoothie or Slurp doesn't matters, the good thing is the consumer (Hazzy) suspected something and took it for further testing, and the results shown that the sample contained cynaide and Ca:P ratio is not sufficient for healthly SG growth... Even if it is contaminated in anyway, is very unlikely that the Ca:P ratio is in a not healthy level if she has added Rep-Cal... There are so so so many possibilities.. No point for us to assume things. Let's wait for the seller to make her statement.

Now is the festive season. Maybe she had too sent her slurps for testing. And labs doen't work on festive season.. Sharil_routh, hazzy and bonai, know you all are very concerned about your glider's health. But maybe we should give her a bit more time to get the results and such.

Of cause there are possibility that she will 'upgrade' the slurp. But like bonai says, karma exist..

But what's done cannot be undone... Is just like all inventions, nothing 100% safe... And if indeed was the slurp, then she'll have room to improve her products... Besides, now Raya ma. Cool down and enjoy the holidays lo.. And forgive and forget...

Now I know that I myself don't own a glider. But I do own other pets, and I know how it felt to see a pet under my care injure, hurt and die... Yesterday was one of it, and bonai have given me some info on what could possibly be the cause, and I thank him alot... Later got to bring him over to Doc Jenny..

Since Yang u mention me here. so i will repeat myself, which i already stated in the suggie thread. I will send all the flavours of Suggie-Smoothie to the lab. and stop selling the smoothie NOW. eventhough this is nothing to do with me. but i just want my buyer to feel saft.

it is not fair to ask Hazzy to send all Slurps to the lab, as its not cheap, Maybe the Maker, Crazymouse_yyh or the seller, White Palace, should have the responsibility to send ALL the SLurp to the lab, but since this happened, I think the best and more convincing way is, the maker and the seller bare for the bills for the Slurp customers to send their remaining Slurp in their fridge to the Lab. Cyanide may not contain in all SLURP, if there is no seed which contain Cyanide, but can you explain the calcium: phosphoros part?? the Calcium: phosphoros with that ratio will same do harm and kill the sugar glier after sometime. Which maker always claim there are added calcium supplement. Repeat again. both Ca:P and cyanide do not kill the animal immediately.

And AGAIN I repeat, Lab only give anaylsis, they don't give you statement. the Lab result is for you to read and you have to do your own study. if the SLURP is feed to a HUMAN there is no harm at all. How the lab know who will Hazzy feed the Slurp to??

I hope this is a serious thread in Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner, which I don't need to repeat and repeat my statement like talking to a kid in the Sugar Glider Thread. Please READ all the post, do not pick or ignore those you don't want to answer or you canot answer.

You can question Hazzy, you can question the lab report(the paper), but i canot imagin that you can be so childish until you can question the Lab. I guess NON OF US here is more professional that the Chemis in the Lab.

I think we should keep this thread clean, only for the SLURP maker and SLURP buyer, NON of us should post or say anything as NON can 100% sure what is in SLURP. Its time to SHUT UP our mouth now. Although my glider was feed with Slurp before, but i don't think i can question much. as some people are too sensetive here.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Oct 3 2008, 12:45 PM

The matter is, is Hazzy trustable?

It is always the burden of the accuser to prove, not the accused. Else, we can just simply accuse someone and ask the company to send all the products for analysis, recalls all the products.

If Hazzy is trustable, then go ahead reveal the report for smoothie that he claims he did! What's your worry?

There is a product of yours in my fridge as well, are you willing to fund me to do an analysis? And if the reports turns up from lab will you TRUST me with the report I post out?

If you prefer to do your own analysis, I believe Hun do prefer to do her own as well.

This post has been edited by White Palace: Oct 2 2008, 12:56 PM

Wait a minute, I'm curious to know about some statements earlier. If there were gliders that suffered or are suffering from a result of feeding slurp, why didn't the owner contact Hun? She had not received any complaints from customers but yet there are claims suddenly appearing in the past month regarding gliders falling sick.

The thing I don't get is, if your glider did fall sick or had problems with the slurp, why didn't you contact the seller?

U awesome!!! Hope it will be karma if lie happen here...
we should thanks again to 'someone' dat give an idea for supplement test.

P/s : is Hazzy trustable...? hmmm .. how about The slurp maker?? , huhuhu..

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 2 2008, 02:53 PM

That's the thing, I felt Hazzy not trustable since he is not posting BOTH reports for Smoothie + SLURPS. Of corse, as for you, you do trust Hazzy. Me, I trust Hun.

My statement ends here.

Me i trust hazzy...

I also felt Hun not trustable since he is not posting since dis thing come out. .

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 2 2008, 05:24 PM

still no news from the actual seller??

Ya.. so pathetic....

We need to be more patient of the maker big 'plan'.... maybe..

Dear White Palace,

First of all, this is a dispute thread about GLIDERSLURP and crazymouse_yyh. Please do not bring in other matters. If you want to talk about other matters, please either go back to your own forum where you can reign as lord and king (Homeapet) or another appropriate thread.

For eg, if someone has a complain against Motorola, are you gonna ask them to bring a report about Nokia? Don't be ridiculous, ok? As a business owner, your level of maturity (or rather lack of it) simply astounds me. I would have thought you were smarter than that. Well, perhaps I was wrong about you, just as I was wrong about Hun. I never expected her to hide away for so long.

The reason that I sent the Slurp in the first place is because Hun herself made very contradicting statements in the main glider thread. At first she said there was no maximum feeding. Then she said can only feed one spoon a day. To jog your memory, please view attachment below.



I also did mention that should not feed too much slurp as it contains calcium and she scolded me for bad mouthing her product. How can I mention to her that I wanted to send to the lab when she told me off in front of the entire forum? She is a moderator and yet acts so personal online. Not many people dare to say anything to her without getting concrete proof and that is what I did.

I spent my hard-earned money to send the slurp to lab to see if there was any calcium. There was no intention to check for cyanide until I saw the black dots in the slurp that I bought from your shop. Yes, I also sent the smoothie in for MY peace of mind but that's really none of your business and absolutely nothing do with this dispute thread.

Anyway, I should not be explaining myself to you as I owe you nothing. Crazymouse on the other hand owes us an answer. I accept the fact that the cyanide may be an accident but not the calcium/phosphorus ratio.

I created this dispute thread because I just want an explanation. That is all but she does not seem to be coming out at all. I am thinking perhaps she wants to buy time to change all the slurp in the other pet shops or maybe she is just a coward.

If it was my product being questioned here, I would definitely be out immediately defending my product instead of hiding away unless I have something to hide. There is no excuse why she is not here.

Also, White Palace, in your previous post, you said that would be the end of your statement. I hope you meant it and not post anything else here. Thank you.

Reanne, this is not a place to tell people what to feed their gliders. For goodness sake, THIS IS A DISPUTE THREAD. What is wrong with you people? You have already posted this in the glider thread. It is not necessary to post this here again.

I don't know what you meant. All I know is that by you suggesting the nutritionist, it gave me the idea to send the slurp to the lab. Without your great suggestion, I would never have realized that we could send stuff to the lab to test. It was only after your great suggestion that I started to ask people if a nutritionist could be consulted and they told me that I could even send to the lab if I wanted to. So, I thank you for that and I hope you can be gracious enough to say 'You are welcome'

THE ONE THING I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE MAKER IS NOT HERE AT ALL BUT NOSY PEOPLE LIKE WHITE PALACE WHO HAS NOTHING INTELLIGENT TO CONTRIBUTE IS HERE WRITING RUBBISH AND NONSENSE.

Crazymouse is a moderator for goodness sake! Why can't she act responsibly like one! If she feels she is right, come out and say something. If wrong, come out and apologize. PLEASE DO NOT HIDE!!

This post has been edited by hazzy: Oct 2 2008, 07:14 PM

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry19835248

In 548 post hun said not advertising her slurp....???
Maybe not in dat time/ver but before dis...?

Before dis when i dont know dat slurp will be like this suck and i advertise her slurp why she not warning me?

Haih....

Did someone pm crazymouse to come?

The diet posting is for the ppl who read the thread and don't visit the glider thread much. If you have a problem with it then you can say it nicely and I will edit it.

I'm only saying that wasn't my intention. If you got the idea from it, then it's your gain.





It's not stated you can't feed more than 1 tablespoon. Probably meant around 1 tablespoon is good enough for a day, going above that is fine.

This post has been edited by Reanne: Oct 2 2008, 07:31 PM

Chill chill there already an argument here no need to start another.

SHARING IS CARING Lets Unite

Someone already pm her few times but she just too .......

Dats why dis thread call "Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner"

Like a real court...

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Added on October 2, 2008, 7:39 pmDats mean she not really sure la....what slurp supposed to give to our glider like she not sure to come out here and voice out?

SLURP is supplement dat suppose contain calcium and other diet but.....



and the bold thing is other thing...

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 2 2008, 07:41 PM

Not sure? Not sure bout what? The amount?

The slurp was recommended as a supplement containing carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals etc. Not as a sole diet. She also always recommended feeding fruits and veggie that are high in calcium together with the slurp or alternate the feeding. Like for example if you feed calcium supplement but feed lots of fruits high in phosphorus, it will counter the calcium and it may not be enough calcium for the glider. Like if you feed only apple or corn together with the slurp, the phosphorus in the apple or corn would counter the calcium in the slurp.

I just called Hun, she's got a lot of personal family problems at the moment, according to her acc info she hasn't been online since the 29th Sept.

This post has been edited by Reanne: Oct 2 2008, 07:47 PM

haih.. u always such a .....
Now u make putar belit to others people...
Its useless la.....


Hahahahahaa... very funny.. hahahaaaaha.... i'm not laughing of her family problem but i laughing at u how u backup her....

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 2 2008, 07:56 PM

I'm not trying to back her up la. Why when anyone comes to say something good about her or support her you label them as back up?

As some forumers know, she does have a lot of family problems before she even started making the slurp. It's your choice to believe but I have personally seen the result of her problems. Don't say it so casually when you don't know other ppl's situation.

I'm also telling her to faster reply, I also feed my gliders slurp ok, of course I'm worried bout my own gliders. Whether there's anything toxic in the food, whether intentionally or unintentionally, I also want to know as a customer.

This post has been edited by Reanne: Oct 2 2008, 08:04 PM

Ok..... we trust u we trust u..

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 2 2008, 08:03 PM

Do everybody here mind not jumping into conclusions, and have patience till both parties has come out to give their input on this issue? And yes, that also includes accusations towards either party of not being trust worthy.

ok.. sorry fyire...



This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 2 2008, 08:24 PM

Your statement noted, Hazzy. Thank you and take care.

Hazzy as a pet owner myself I understand your need for a peace of mind in what you feed your suggies and you need an explanation/clarification for what's going on. What Reanne posted (The diet requirements, etc.) is just for general knowledge for those who don't frequent Pets Wonderland (Not anymore here) but who frequent this section/thread. Yes, this is a dispute thread and yes, you want to seek the truth and keep the thread as clean as possible, but lashing out at everyone's inputs will not help the situation.

I, too, am curious to find out what the outcome of this case will be.

all just be patience ok....chill out...PM me...we go yumchar...ok?...dun la like this.....glider community is small...we need to support each other and improves ourselves...im not saying im good, i am learning too....exchange knowledge and provide good info is the way to go i guess.....just my 2 cent...dun bang me la ok....... peace all....

I guess DISPUTE TAG should be given to her, huh ?

How function of dispute tag when give to someone?

Can someone open one dispute thread for me oso? The tag looks cool to put on.

If you're a conman, why not ? It certainly looks cool just below your avatar







Looks like this is gonna be a long one.

3. Do not post unless you have something useful to contribute. Ranting is not useful contribution.

Because crazymouse is a moderator so ppl give her/him/it exception. Excuse such as busy and family problem are acceptable.

So all you can do is wait.

Last Active 29th September 2008 - 11:48 PM
Today is 05 October 2008

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Oct 5 2008, 11:14 AM

He / She still didnt online yet ??? so u all planning wait until wat time ??????
look so weird - until now he / she didnt online

ya so weird la....

Sorry to interfere..
But there's something to say..

We know crazymouse..
She's supposed to be always online wan...
When we first questioned this matter (in Pets Wonderland) she was online but never did say anything too..
Before this, if anyone tries to bad name her product she'll scold wan..
She very fast...

But this time, she choose to keep quite then suddenly not coming online..

And the other thing is, Reanne at Pets Wonderland was protecting crazymouse, but suddenly here she acted so innocent.. why? it has nothing to do but i'm just wondering..

what 2 do moderator get expect ion. If u use excuse as busy ppl report u to police. Life is unfair accept that

Since you're wondering about that, I've been her customer for more than 2 years and feeding my gliders her mix since then. My gliders are doing very well and my Billie is currently 102g and she had been feeding on the slurp since she was a little joey. So I do not believe that her product is bad and contains anything harmful. I also do know most of the ingredients she uses and it's all human grade, some of the ingredients I actually did eat very often when I was in high school.

However, if it really does contain any harmful substances, I would like to know too cuz my gliders would be affected as well.

I also do recall, she does MIA from the forum from time to time. There were few times she didn't come online for more than a month or a few weeks. You can ask her customers as they sometimes wait for her to come online or contact her via calling/sms.

This post has been edited by Reanne: Oct 6 2008, 02:07 AM

when people talk bad about her product, she wont MIA.. trust me..
same like when hazzy posted about this in the sugar glider thread..
she straight away come online.. but never posted..

again, we want explanation from crazymouse_yyh.. not you Reanne..
we know you're her partner.. no need to explain partner in what..


p/s- I think i've read somewhere you say u make your own.. cant remember where.. but just let it be.. we dowan Reanne's story.. we're still waiting for crazymouse_yyh...

I do make my own but only when I can't get from her. I'm her partner in gliders, not her slurp. The only time I ever did have anything to do with her slurp was helping her deliver to Pet Shack once when she was late for class.

This is my own story about her slurp, whether you want it or not has nothing to do with me or her as it's feedback as a customer regarding this case.

Let's all wait together then.

well ...i never seen hun goes offline more than two days ..so this kinda weird .. for her to offline this long .. either she really have a problem or trying to avoid.. not going to say anything unless i have proof ..im really concern about this as well .. my gliders been feeding this since they are joey .. its more than 1 year and a half ! ... if there's really something harmful, i REALLLYYY want to know ... will wait for her explanation ...

*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

I wouldn't even take Hazzy's report as anywhere near to being conclusive. i don't know why you guys even have the gut to even hold it as PROOF that it's poisonous.

when no one on this forum so far is able to prove that 0.22ppm of cyanide is dangerous in the first place. from what I see, all you guys are doing is keep holding that 0.22ppm on the test result and assuming it's dangerous.





http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/cyanide-89.shtml

so please, can you guys tell me what does 0.22ppm here mean?

did the lab even say dangerous? or is it Hazzy just jumping to his own conclusion and the rest just ridiculously buying it?

*i understand that we're referring to SGs, my point (in case you guys didn't get it) is whether there's actual proof that it is dangerous for SG in the first place?* I've seen the SG thread and it was ridiculous on how some people were pissed or start showing appalling behavior on their posts when they don't even know what the report is talking about. So unless you're some chemical expert who understand what the report actually meant, please don't jump into conclusion.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Oct 6 2008, 06:13 AM

animals will known as ANIMALS.

sorry Yang that I quote your post, I don't mean to quote you, I just want to quote the info in the post, Not against you.

- 20ppm cynide can kill ANIMALS in 4.5hours. we need to know the body weight for the ANIAMALS.
- no one know how much cyanide can Sugar Glider tolerate.
- less assump the ANIMALS in this statement is 10kg ( the ANIMALS maybe more than 10kgs, like lion, dogs and etc).
- Take the local Sugar Glider average body weight, should we say 90g?

10,000g (10kgs) - 20ppm
90g - 0.18ppm

* 0.22ppm is it risky to the Sugar Glider its up to your judge.

- Low dosage of Cyanide will not kill immediately, but it accumulates inside the body system. Say a Sugar Glider can live for 10 – 15 years, but it may die once the accumulation is at the fatal lever at 5 years. So stop asking if any Sugar Glider was kill up to date.

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Calcium : Phosphorus (Ca : P)
Put the Cyanide issue a side, think about the Ca : P ratio 2:1, this is same important to Sugar Glider.

Sugar Glider will draw their own calcium from their own bone when there is not enough calcium intakes from their food. Next they will be paralysis and die, its same harmful, again this will not happen in 1 or 2 years.


Hi goldfries, sorry the old suggie thread is close, i canot quote it properly. i guess i will repeat here again. cos not everyone read in glider thread. most of Crazymouse's customer can accept the cyanide occur is cos by negligent, even it can be like those ppl who speck out for crazymouse while crazymouse MIA, the sample Hazzy sent was contaminated. But how to explainthe calcium : phosphoros ratio?, which do the same harm and sugar glider can be kill indirectly from lack of calcium. Which you can refer to her sale thread. it is stated CALCIUM SUPPLEMENT ADDED.

FYI, for human. if we eat a jar of apple seeds, we can be kill. compare our body weight and a sugar glider weight. so is it dangerous level. its up to ur judge.

and again, forcus the point at the calcium: phophoros.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Oct 6 2008, 11:10 AM

as i mentioned

*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

that's all. because as i read the thread before, i noticed a lot of people jumped the gun when not even clear of anything.

but i do understand the concern for the Calcium : Phosphorus (Ca : P) ratio.

btw is there a renowned SG nutritionist expert that people can really refer to?

not sure if m'sia have any, but i don't know any , m'sia pets line is way behind other countries. and SG is still new in here. but i do have a plan to find out the Cal: Ph ratio in SG diet. may i pm u to talk about it? so we may find out more.

cos i am sure u can see alot of ppl say they canot trust this n that. of cos, we canot help if ppl don't care their pets, n those who object Hazzy non willing to dig out some fund to do futher anaylsis. for the animals and newbies good sake. i willing to do that. but i am sure some ppl are very sensitive in this. i really need a middle man in the whole process.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Oct 6 2008, 01:55 PM

no point PMing me la. not even 10% of being SG expert and barely 1% a nutritionist.

i just clever in using Google. haha.

of course i played with SG's before la, courtesy of Hun and whoever else i come by. tempted to keep them also.

i don't need a nutritionist though. but someone that can be trust by the newbie..

maybe i am abit lebeh.. but i really hope that newbie will not get mislead by the title of mod, if this is the true.

its been sometimes after Hazzy posted the lab result...

but until now, we r still waiting for Hun(crazymouse) explanation...

we gonna wait until when..??

tmr n tmr n tmr...

or year after years...??

seem like she avoiding...

or maybe she got family problem...

even thou got family problem, its not difficult to online...

dont tell me she need to ask her parents permission before get online...

please la....!!

relak bro, relak bro...

dont forget...

karma~ here karma~ there

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 6 2008, 05:25 PM

don't worry bro..

my "volcano" still ok...

just duno when its gonna meletup only....!!!

we wait n see....

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Added on October 6, 2008, 6:58 pmdon't worry bro..

my "volcano" still ok...

just duno when its gonna meletup only....!!!

we wait n see....



This post has been edited by tee_jay: Oct 6 2008, 06:58 PM

Chill bro...

Maybe she still here but not using her acc, but other acc or her fren acc maybe.. just looking around and read...

maybe la.... not accusing...

just wait n patient....

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 6 2008, 10:56 PM

have some respect ok.... if threadstarter already posted in here and informed crazymouse, then we shall wait. if threadstarter know the contact number, kindly call and ask for explanation.

tee_jay, u're flamebaiting

should i waste some more money just to call her?
ive wasted alot of money to send the ingredient to lab and buying her product.
dont worry i think hun knows about this matter, i can wait, but for how long actually.
even if download something from internet, our internet browser will show estimated time.
she should at least give some clue, as long we are informed by her with something, anything will do.
saying like, "im really busy right now, i will give my explanation on this sunday"
thats sounds more convincing. some "clue" u know? at least, i will feel relieved and that will show she is responsible type of person.

TS. Can you please state the nature of the complain / dispute again?

Dun quote me the whole first post. Please state it in point form coz I'm an idiot.

it's shows how silly you are, or how destructive you are of making a big hoo haa here which you can afford to send for chemical checking and buying her products but CANNOT AFFORD TO CALL HER, as in it wont cost MORE THAN RM10.

You can't assume Hun or anybody else in this forum are lifeless robots who can go online almost everyday and you as flamethreadstarter is not even responsible enough to EVEN GIVE HER A CALL. Then you post this thread up as if you feeding her to the trolls

This post has been edited by hamster9: Oct 7 2008, 10:36 AM

Chill sui sui.. nobody is idiot .

TS and others already state the point but when posts come again from someone dono the point, it being confused again.

Dear Hamster9,

If you are also interested in this matter or you are willing to help out the situation. kindly read through all the posts from Sugar Glider Thread and also the dispute thread here. Rather asking same questions that there are info or post up by some members before. This is a dispute thread. It would be greatly appretiated if you can take it more serious. Rather cap lock your words here like shouting.

thanks.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Oct 7 2008, 11:21 AM

What makes you think I have not read it?

Am I asking the same questions? My caps are highlighting for those who can't read properly.

I propose the threadstarter to close this thread until crazymouse appears to avoid further flamebaiting.

I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, but it seems you are her business rival, don't you think you should stay out of it rather to add more spice to the thread?

If close.. how crazymouse want to know about it, IF she still not read dis yet. Listen from her fren just not enough, better she read about this by herself.

We want to know the explanation dats all..

The sentence dat i bold, looks u try to start making them fighting each other.

Do u hav sugar glider?

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 7 2008, 11:36 AM

hmmm....there seems to be some supporters for this crazymouse person. And some not so supporters as well.

I seems to understand TS's not wanting to call crazymouse. I wouldn't call her either if it's me because of anger and not necessary. It's not about the money but the matter of principal. It has been many days already and a dispute tag should be a consideration. I hope this is handled professionally. Not just because it involves a moderator and someone with lots of friends (or enemy).

what makes you think i do not own one? does NOT owning a sugar glider makes someone disqualify to post here? in fact I own 5 of them and started having them since 2006, they are well alive and kicking with crazymouse slurpee. The slurpee I have does not contain black spots as hazzy

I just ask either u hav or not , dats all.. dont be too emotional..

Good for u la.. if ur gliders still ok until now...

hazzy, had crazymouse_yyh been informed of this thread?

According to her profile,
Last Active 29th September 2008 - 11:48 PM
Status (Offline)

Did you tried to call her?

Another thing is, what is the purpose of this dispute? I understand that it's regarding a product called SLURP, but what is wrong with it? Can list out the points?

it's not emotional, but rationality that THIS is not relevant


about calling, what makes it so hard to call? sms also cannot? is internet/forum confrontation the best way?

Oh... but after I read the first post, it seems like a report instead of a complain or dispute wor.. So, the point of this dispute is what ar?

I disagree.

I'm not sure either really true or not she not online from dat date...

Last time when dis thing happen, i saw dat she's online..

Its true!!!...

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Added on October 7, 2008, 12:08 pmits normal when someone agree the other person disagree..




This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 7 2008, 12:08 PM

No look so weird ?
Mod didnt online 1 week more ?????
Mod should do their job right ? cannot everyday online also i week need online few day ? ( did i wrong for this ? )

And i feel many ppl protect her ? why ? because she is mod ?
If other ppl more than 1 week didnt come out explain ~ LYN mod or staff already guve them dispute status already ~

Really??? i dont know about dat...

New lesson for me...

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 7 2008, 12:16 PM

Firstly, I didn't see any effort to contact crazymouse besides using LYN.

Secondly, what's the nature of this dispute?

As long as both points is not made clear, the dispute tag will not be given. This is based on my observation la.

I think got someone contact her already ? using phone ? a week ago ?
But she say have family problem ?

If TS post and other part didnt come out to explain ? so ? need wait how long time until can settle this case ? 1 month ? 1 year ?
properly dispute status would also give the ppl will fail to come here to explain right ?

This post has been edited by Only_Human: Oct 7 2008, 12:26 PM

yup its reanne if i'm not mistaken ...

and also somebody else dat i dont know who, still in mystery

Today is the 7th day. TS has made a complain on crazymouse so a dispute has been created so the reason for crazymouse to get a dispute is because he failed to reply as TS has made a complain on crazymouse on the product he/her is selling. Is just the same with ppl selling fake stuff but they told seller that is original. Is this not consider a con case?

Anyway I think is best TS to just sms crazymouse once more so that he/she should come forward to defend his/her product/

unfortunately, threadstarter just want to defamed crazymouse via internet but no guts to call her.

I don't think it's because she is mod. It's because herself is a pet lover too. Nobody want harm their pet nor other people pets.

The problem is, the first post is vague and didn't state the reason for this dispute. All the post I see following the post is rants and rants and rants and karma even before the seller reply. If you follow the glider threads, you can see that most of the post are flames.

So can the TS kindly list out what is the problem with the product instead of just posting a lab report?

Bonai called her on Tuesday night after this dispute thread went up.

The dispute is that crazymouse_yyh said that there was calcium supplement in the slurp. The report shows otherwise. The level of calcium there is almost the same as phosphorus which should not be the case if there are calcium supplements.

Also, the dispute is that there is cyanide in the slurp. She failed to mention this in her selling thread.

I am merely asking for an explanation.

I heard bout this when I called her the other day she told me she had family problems. I recall he didn't ask for an explanation, rather, he only told her to faster come online and whether she's ok. Why call but never ask for explanation? Why only call to tell her to faster come online?

So is she's supposed to know she has something harmful in the slurp? Even if she does, you expect her to announce it in her sales thread? Where's the sense in that?

yup, she has to know... for her own good in future...



Nothing to do wit sense..

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 7 2008, 03:16 PM

thanks for d info...

will take it as a compliment...



u owned 5 SGs..??!!

BIG DEAL...!!

u trying 2 say like I dont have more than 5...

we all here concern about helth of our SGs...

as mentioned in d main thread...

cyanide wont kill SGs or other animal in a day...

it takes time...

did u google about this thing n REALLY UNDERSTAND..??

u had read d main thread..?? I dont think so....

I am suprised to see all of these replies coming in. When people complain about something, there are people who come out asking why no one is contacting her regarding this problem and only sit here to wait for her to come. However, when there are people who come out and said someone called, you asked why they don't asked for explanation over there. Then, it makes no sense to open a dispute thread in the first place. Just call and solve the whole problem.

Whenever something happens, we hope to get for an explanation. Its been more than a week since she has been away and no one knows when is she coming back. Most of the people here only wanted an explanation on the products itself. I suppose, if she could spend maybe 5 minutes to come online, have a post stating her problem and shall be back by a specific date to specify an answer, all the flamebaiting would stop. And suppose, its not the case over here. Trying to defame her is another matter. If she has done nothing wrong, no one can defame her.

are you a smoker? are there any in your family a smoker? smoking also releases cyanide, which also will kill you and your glider.

the water you drink too has based on WHO standards of 0.2ppm of cyanides

why do i need google(which does not have journals to support, i could just create a website and link it up to google with my misleading information ) when my degree is already in chemistry majors

so am i talking to you about my 5SGs? No right? Am I comparing that I have more and you don't? Am I talking to you about the quantity of my sugar gliders? No right? Then? I am just answering sharil's question as he seemed biased that this thread should be limited to only SG owners.

Quote and unquote me of proof that I did not read the main thead? Must I post something in main thread in order to justify that I've read it? So your assumptions are baseless.

In fact, I would suggest to Hun to make a police report for defaming