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post Oct 6 2008, 06:06 AM

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*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

I wouldn't even take Hazzy's report as anywhere near to being conclusive. i don't know why you guys even have the gut to even hold it as PROOF that it's poisonous.

when no one on this forum so far is able to prove that 0.22ppm of cyanide is dangerous in the first place. from what I see, all you guys are doing is keep holding that 0.22ppm on the test result and assuming it's dangerous.

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Introduction

Cyanides are both man-made and naturally occurring substances. They are found in a number of foods and plants and are produced by certain bacteria, fungi, and algae. Very small amounts of cyanide, in the form of vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin), are a necessary part of the human diet.


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The government has made recommendations to limit the exposure of the general public to cyanide in food and the exposure of workers to cyanide in the workplace. Hydrogen cyanide is sometimes used to treat food after it is harvested to prevent pest damage. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) allows levels of cyanide in food ranging from 25 ppm in dried beans, peas, and nuts to 250 ppm in spices.


http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/cyanide-89.shtml

so please, can you guys tell me what does 0.22ppm here mean?

did the lab even say dangerous? or is it Hazzy just jumping to his own conclusion and the rest just ridiculously buying it?

*i understand that we're referring to SGs, my point (in case you guys didn't get it) is whether there's actual proof that it is dangerous for SG in the first place?* I've seen the SG thread and it was ridiculous on how some people were pissed or start showing appalling behavior on their posts when they don't even know what the report is talking about. So unless you're some chemical expert who understand what the report actually meant, please don't jump into conclusion.

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post Oct 6 2008, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Oct 6 2008, 11:08 AM)
Hi goldfries, sorry the old suggie thread is close, i canot quote it properly.  i guess i will repeat here again. cos not everyone read in glider thread.  most of Crazymouse's customer can accept the cyanide occur is cos by negligent, even it can be like those ppl who speck out for crazymouse while crazymouse MIA, the sample Hazzy sent was contaminated.  .....
as i mentioned

*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

biggrin.gif that's all. because as i read the thread before, i noticed a lot of people jumped the gun when not even clear of anything.

but i do understand the concern for the Calcium : Phosphorus (Ca : P) ratio.

btw is there a renowned SG nutritionist expert that people can really refer to?
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post Oct 6 2008, 01:57 PM

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no point PMing me la. not even 10% of being SG expert and barely 1% a nutritionist. tongue.gif

i just clever in using Google. haha.

of course i played with SG's before la, courtesy of Hun and whoever else i come by. tempted to keep them also.
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post Oct 9 2008, 05:15 PM

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ok. Hun has answered and I see no reason to continue this thread again UNTIL the results are ready.

so anyone else who wish to contact her, the number is there.

if there's a need you think that needs to be posted here, or that you think the thread deserves a purpose to be open - please PM me.
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:43 AM

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thread re-opened, as requested by hazzy.

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First of all, so sorry for bringing you so much trouble in this issue, and there is something I would like to clarify here.

1. Me and other glider owner in LYN just want an explanation from crazymouse about the Glider Slurp (cyanide and calcium, mainly the calcium aspect).
2. The reason I never post up uncle taro's(nezumitaro) smoothies report here is because I don’t want people feel I’m using it to promoting the product, and I’m not here to promote any product. For an example if you buy a Sony LCD, when it got problem you won’t ask Samsung for their report, you will just direct contact Sony and ask for explanation.
3. And now all the Slurp she plan to send for test is chosen by her, so even the result come out is good, I feel is not convincing at all, I can always say she already upgrade her Slurp, so for avoiding all this argument in future, I have a suggestion. Is it better to ask in the open forum/glider thread for any volunteer member to bring out their existing Slurp which bought before this incident happen and send directly from their house for the lab test? If anyone got any better suggestion we can discuss it in the open forum also.
4. I know a lot of people ask why I never call crazymouse directly, the reason is I feel I should do it openly, also a lot of other members here deserve a proper explanation. If I call her to ask for an explanation, later I have to repeat the answer to other members, and I don’t want to pass a wrong information, so is it better to let her explain herself to everyone? And she accuse me bad name her product before when I just try and help her to explain her product to other member, so I try to avoid this happen again.
5. I wish you can reopen the dispute thread so we can do it in a more open way, and if you can please post this PM on the same thread to let other forum members to read. In the spirit of openness, I am also copying all other moderators who have commented on this thread. Personally, I feel the whole case has been handled unfairly when a moderator is involved in a sale business. (But that’s just my opinion)

Thanks
Hazzy

p/s:
By the way, I also sent the slurp to another lab in Klang but I did not post the report here. The reason I sent to 2 different labs was to make sure that the results were correct before posting the information on line. However, the lab in Klang could only do testing for calcium and phosphorus ratios
I'm expecting mature conduct, no more stupid posts like "oh teh noes me gliders be dies!" thing without even understanding what the results or anything mean in the first place.
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post Nov 7 2008, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(hazzy @ Oct 31 2008, 03:49 PM)
I will not reply to anyone post other than crazymouse, if not  this dispute thread will be back to one circle, pointless war,  because no one can really speak on her behalf. This thread is  all about the Buyer(with doubt) and Seller, so please don't post any unnecessary comment here, thanks.

ps: kp, yes i know you take good care for your glider, you make  your own mix, so i have no doubt your glider is healthy. And I also know you sometimes order from crazymouse without supplements.
you're behaving as if no one else can speak up regarding this matter. is there a problem?

so far i see you have no problem who comment so long as they're seemingly "on your side" but i often see your attitude as such appear when you can't counter / defend when people pose you questions or stating facts.

I've seen how you and a few others behave at SG thread and it was appalling and i do not wish to see it repeated here.

everyone has the right to comment, as long as it contributes to the topic. many of you have been baselessly accusing the 0.22ppm as if it's harmful but when given facts and figures about cyanide content, it's not surprising to see replies like "you not crazymouse, you don't come answer" doh.gif don't bother asking me to search out old posts, you guys spam like crazy and it's not worth my time searching, i know what i seen before.

keep up this kind of attitude and i'm going to close this thread again. which was the reason i closed this thread in the first place.

heck, i'm tempted to close this thread again, simply because there's no dispute to begin with. one sent it for test (for whatever reasons it was) and results were given, till now no one has been able to interpret the results in expert fashion but many (foolishly) assuming that 0.22ppm is harmful. haha.

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Now, if anyone wants this thread to be opened - SHOW ME PROOF, then it becomes a dispute.

PROOF, meaning a detailed report from EXPERT NUTRITIONIST(s) / SG Care Guru (s) regarding the result, explaining in detail how it affects SG and what should the nutritional value be. The document MUST also have the person's name, company, contact number, and other details to PROOF the authenticity and reliability.

or else, such claims of SLURPS being TOXIN to SG so far (as seen in SG thread and this thread) is baseless and thus, this is just a matter of product enquiry.

END. and don't PM me unless any of you have the above.


I decide to close this thread again in order to avoid having it setting a precedence in future cases of "product enquiry". simply because this is "Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner". there's no TRADE DISPUTE to begin with, it all looks like product enquiry on why the results state as such and whether it was harmful.

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