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hazzy
post Sep 30 2008, 04:24 PM, updated 18y ago

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I brought this up in the glider thread in Pets Wonderland but the Moderator is not answering me so I was hoping that by posting in the dispute thread, the moderator will have an answer rather than hiding.

her WTS thread url :
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=348002&hl=

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This has been a very sad few days for me and once all of you read what I have discovered, I am sure you will be sad and angry too.

First and foremost, I would like to thank Reanne for giving me the idea to do this as she mentioned in the hamster thread about consulting a nutritionist.

A few weeks ago, there was quite a lot of commotion here with regards to the calcium intake within the GliderSlurp. If anyone recalls, crazymouse did say that you can feed as much slurp as you want. I did not want to say much about this then as I was scolded by her when I mentioned that a glider cannot take too much calcium.

So, I began to suspect that there was no added calcium in the slurp. I bought a container and decided to send the slurp to the lab to test for calcium levels. When I opened the slurp, I also noticed a few black dots in there. My first thought was added supplements but I could not think of any supplements that looked like that. So, I began to suspect that the maker did not de-seed the apples and those black dots were apple seeds.

As most of you know, apple seeds contain cyanide and ingestion of cyanide can be fatal to humans if administered in large doses. (Please google to find out more about cyanide poisoning.)

I then sent the slurp to lab for testing and the results have just come out, which I have attached below. The flavour I sent was Orange Carotene. Carrots have an almost 1 to 1 ratio. Orange has a 2 to 1 ratio. If the report says almost 1:1, means the calcium shown on the report comes from the fruits. Even yogurt has calcium in it, so technically, if there is yogurt in the slurp as claimed, there should be higher ratios of calcium even without the Rep-Cal. This also brings us to why the phosphorus levels are so high. If it is from fruits alone, the phosphorus levels should not be that high.

I have spoken to some experts and let me briefly tell you what the report means. There is NO added calcium supplement and perhaps NO yogurt in the GliderSlurp as well. The calcium is not even enough to cover the phosphorus in the slurp let alone all the phosphorus your glider is ingesting from meal worms!!

When a glider has insufficient calcium intake, it has no choice but to draw calcium from its own bones. I am sure you know what this means.

The cyanide testing was also sent to the lab and as the report below shows, there are rather substantial amounts of cyanide in the slurp. Cyanide attacks the nervous system and can kill. I have been informed that once cyanide had been ingested for more than 2 hours, it CANNOT be reversed. This means the poison remains in there forever. THIS MEANS OUR GLIDERS ARE BEING POISONED SLOWLY.

If you Google about cyanide poisoning, you will find that sometimes the effect does not come immediately. It may come much later which means that the glider will have much shorter lives and the glider will suffer when the nervous system is attacked!

My Mika was on GliderSlurp previously and it really saddens me to know that she may have toxic in her body which cannot be removed. My friend has helped me to check with Hands and Paws on what can be done and they too have basically said that not much can be done  cry.gif

All of you may or may not believe all this but it doesn't matter. I just want to tell all the real glider lovers to be careful. For those that do not believe this report, I plead with you to send any EXISTING slurp in your freezers at home to the labs.

Click the spoiler below to see proof!
(Lab report and sample of slurp)
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This post has been edited by hazzy: Sep 30 2008, 04:42 PM
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post Oct 1 2008, 04:15 AM

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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:02 PM)
This sound quite serious matter here. Mean alot of suggies got affected like melamine-infection in China?
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hopefully no, because im summon the maker of the slurp to give explanation, but she didnt not respond at all sad.gif

QUOTE(779364 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:05 PM)
Wow you even resort to sending it for chemical analysis.So what happened to your glider now?Is it okay.
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shes fine, i hope sad.gif
the toxic wont effect immediately, it'll take months, years maybe.
plus, glider are very good in hiding their sickness because in wild, it'll help to protect themselves from their prey
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post Oct 2 2008, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(White Palace @ Oct 2 2008, 03:52 AM)
Please let me know if my statement if unfair.

Well, of corse hazzy has his right to doubt and ask for responds from Hun since this is her product and that's the analysis he claims as the result the SLURP sent to the lab.

But this is only one of the slurp, the item is sent without consulting the lab or hun first, and the statements are from hazzy, not the lab.

At the same time, it is understandable that for those that are concern, especially Sugar Glider owners, are eagerly waiting for responds.

But hazzy, you mentioned that you sent smoothie for analysis as well and you have the report, do you mind to share? It would be more convincing to me if you do share with the report of the one you currently feeding and recommending, if your intention is to share and care, not any other motives.
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QUOTE(White Palace @ Oct 2 2008, 12:42 PM)
The matter is, is Hazzy trustable?

It is always the burden of the accuser to prove, not the accused. Else, we can just simply accuse someone and ask the company to send all the products for analysis, recalls all the products.

If Hazzy is trustable, then go ahead reveal the report for smoothie that he claims he did! What's your worry?

There is a product of yours in my fridge as well, are you willing to fund me to do an analysis? And if the reports turns up from lab will you TRUST me with the report I post out?

If you prefer to do your own analysis, I believe Hun do prefer to do her own as well.
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QUOTE(White Palace @ Oct 2 2008, 03:02 PM)
That's the thing, I felt Hazzy not trustable since he is not posting BOTH reports for Smoothie + SLURPS. Of corse, as for you, you do trust Hazzy. Me, I trust Hun.

My statement ends here.
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Dear White Palace,

First of all, this is a dispute thread about GLIDERSLURP and crazymouse_yyh. Please do not bring in other matters. If you want to talk about other matters, please either go back to your own forum where you can reign as lord and king (Homeapet) or another appropriate thread.

For eg, if someone has a complain against Motorola, are you gonna ask them to bring a report about Nokia? Don't be ridiculous, ok? As a business owner, your level of maturity (or rather lack of it) simply astounds me. I would have thought you were smarter than that. Well, perhaps I was wrong about you, just as I was wrong about Hun. I never expected her to hide away for so long.

The reason that I sent the Slurp in the first place is because Hun herself made very contradicting statements in the main glider thread. At first she said there was no maximum feeding. Then she said can only feed one spoon a day. To jog your memory, please view attachment below.

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I also did mention that should not feed too much slurp as it contains calcium and she scolded me for bad mouthing her product. How can I mention to her that I wanted to send to the lab when she told me off in front of the entire forum? She is a moderator and yet acts so personal online. Not many people dare to say anything to her without getting concrete proof and that is what I did.

I spent my hard-earned money to send the slurp to lab to see if there was any calcium. There was no intention to check for cyanide until I saw the black dots in the slurp that I bought from your shop. Yes, I also sent the smoothie in for MY peace of mind but that's really none of your business and absolutely nothing do with this dispute thread.

Anyway, I should not be explaining myself to you as I owe you nothing. Crazymouse on the other hand owes us an answer. I accept the fact that the cyanide may be an accident but not the calcium/phosphorus ratio.

I created this dispute thread because I just want an explanation. That is all but she does not seem to be coming out at all. I am thinking perhaps she wants to buy time to change all the slurp in the other pet shops or maybe she is just a coward.

If it was my product being questioned here, I would definitely be out immediately defending my product instead of hiding away unless I have something to hide. There is no excuse why she is not here.

Also, White Palace, in your previous post, you said that would be the end of your statement. I hope you meant it and not post anything else here. Thank you.

QUOTE(Reanne @ Oct 2 2008, 04:14 AM)
While waiting for the reply, for Glider Owners out there who are cautious about the diet and still pending for the answer, maybe these can help a bit for ideas to feed your gliders. Fruits higher in calcium are papaya, figs and rose apple(jambu air) so you can add these fruits more often to your suggie's menu. As a source of protein, hard boiled eggs, scrambled eggs(without salt or pepper) and boiled chicken breast(boiled only with water) can be offered.

Sweet peas(I like to use baby sweet peas), sawi(higher in calcium to phos), romaine lettuce, sweet potatoes etc. My gliders don't like sawi but they eat the rest. Organic baby bottled foods sold in organic stores can be offered too. Watch out for garlic or onions in the ingredients.

Here's a menu for those who would like to be more creative with their suggie meals. smile.gif

http://glidersanonymous.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=4371
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Reanne, this is not a place to tell people what to feed their gliders. For goodness sake, THIS IS A DISPUTE THREAD. What is wrong with you people? You have already posted this in the glider thread. It is not necessary to post this here again.

QUOTE(Reanne @ Oct 2 2008, 03:39 AM)
No wonder my name suddenly pop up in the statement.  sweat.gif  Apparently kena misunderstood, I said consult a vet or nutritionist, nothing to do with analysis or sending to test in a lab la.  doh.gif FYI, I'm only partner in the glider dealing, not the food.

Cuz I do know that other than researching on the net, she does ask vets and a friend that's a nutritionist about the ingredients before adding them into the slurp. That's what I meant bout consulting a nutritionist or vet, by getting their opinion and advice.  sweat.gif
I don't know what you meant. All I know is that by you suggesting the nutritionist, it gave me the idea to send the slurp to the lab. Without your great suggestion, I would never have realized that we could send stuff to the lab to test. It was only after your great suggestion that I started to ask people if a nutritionist could be consulted and they told me that I could even send to the lab if I wanted to. So, I thank you for that and I hope you can be gracious enough to say 'You are welcome' smile.gif

THE ONE THING I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE MAKER IS NOT HERE AT ALL BUT NOSY PEOPLE LIKE WHITE PALACE WHO HAS NOTHING INTELLIGENT TO CONTRIBUTE IS HERE WRITING RUBBISH AND NONSENSE.

Crazymouse is a moderator for goodness sake! Why can't she act responsibly like one! If she feels she is right, come out and say something. If wrong, come out and apologize. PLEASE DO NOT HIDE!!

This post has been edited by hazzy: Oct 2 2008, 07:14 PM
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post Oct 7 2008, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(hamster9 @ Oct 7 2008, 01:10 AM)
have some respect ok.... if threadstarter already posted in here and informed crazymouse, then we shall wait. if threadstarter know the contact number, kindly call and ask for explanation.

tee_jay, u're flamebaiting  shakehead.gif
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should i waste some more money just to call her?
ive wasted alot of money to send the ingredient to lab and buying her product.
dont worry i think hun knows about this matter, i can wait, but for how long actually.
even if download something from internet, our internet browser will show estimated time.
she should at least give some clue, as long we are informed by her with something, anything will do.
saying like, "im really busy right now, i will give my explanation on this sunday"
thats sounds more convincing. some "clue" u know? at least, i will feel relieved and that will show she is responsible type of person.

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post Oct 7 2008, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(suiteng @ Oct 7 2008, 11:58 AM)
Oh... but after I read the first post, it seems like a report instead of a complain or dispute wor.. So, the point of this dispute is what ar?
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Oct 7 2008, 01:31 PM)
The problem is, the first post is vague and didn't state the reason for this dispute. All the post I see following the post is rants and rants and rants and karma even before the seller reply. If you follow the glider threads, you can see that most of the post are flames.

So can the TS kindly list out what is the problem with the product instead of just posting a lab report?
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The dispute is that crazymouse_yyh said that there was calcium supplement in the slurp. The report shows otherwise. The level of calcium there is almost the same as phosphorus which should not be the case if there are calcium supplements.

Also, the dispute is that there is cyanide in the slurp. She failed to mention this in her selling thread. rolleyes.gif

I am merely asking for an explanation.
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post Oct 7 2008, 04:15 PM

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sorry, i have no comment for the others who posted in here.
i'll wait for crazmouse_yyh explanations

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post Oct 31 2008, 03:49 PM

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I will not reply to anyone post other than crazymouse, if not this dispute thread will be back to one circle, pointless war, because no one can really speak on her behalf. This thread is all about the Buyer(with doubt) and Seller, so please don't post any unnecessary comment here, thanks.

ps: kp, yes i know you take good care for your glider, you make your own mix, so i have no doubt your glider is healthy. And I also know you sometimes order from crazymouse without supplements.
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post Oct 31 2008, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Oct 31 2008, 05:27 PM)
KP gets mixes without the supplements coz she request it as she uses her own supplements. But on and off she also gets my slurp with supplements in it.

I am not a person who has a money tree, so of course my analysis takes time as it is done by labs and vets that are not asking much but helping me. I do not see anything wrong with my slurp, I use organic and high quality ingredients. Supplements are used everytime so I got nothing to hide. People who are finding fault with me are those that are no longer people I trust or support anymore. My own customers are still asking for my slurp even after this incident because they trust me and have used it for 2 years without any problems.

I cannot reply everyday as PC is spoiled. I got no luxury to go to cybercafe as I need my time and money for other important things. For now, I still take phone calls from anyone who wanna know more.

I see no point replying again until I get a full report and certified letter stating my slurp is safe.
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I think you are missing the point, I'm suggesting for you to ask volunteer member to bring out their existing Slurp which bought BEFORE this incident happen and send directly from their house for the lab test(of course not volunteer pay for test), because this the only way is convincing and open to public, other way I feel you always can upgrade your Slurp before send for the lab test.
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